Gender issues and bisexuality in poly

fauxsisticated

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Hello all! Firstly I'd like to express my excitement at having located this group. I've been interested in polyamory for a very long time but have never been able to make it work in my own life. I've discussed it in almost every serious monogamous relationship I've had, but have never been able to bring it to fruition.

For a bit of background, I'm an out, bisexual "female." (I'm on the cusp of transition, and still not sure how far I will take it.) I'm in a monogamous relationship with a male whose gender identity is similarly fluid. He's wanted to transition and go through gender affirming surgery in the past, but because of the negative reactions he received from friends, he's put it on the shelf almost entirely and now lives full time as a man. I've always wanted to date a transgendered individual, not only because they would be understanding of my own gender issues, but would (hopefully) satiate my desire to experience love, romance, and sexual fulfillment with persons of the male and female persuasions.

In all of my long-term relationships, after dating someone of one gender for a sustained period of time, I begin to crave the opposite gender. The same is happening now. I've been with my current partner for over a year, and before him, I'd dated a string of straight males. I didn't have much opportunity to date women, as the ones I'd been interested in were in relationships, or I met them when I was already attached and they wanted something exclusive, etc.

I met my current partner via OKCupid. I'd specified on there I wasn't into dating straight men and wanted to date someone either female, transgendered, or intersexed. In his profile, he said he felt like a woman trapped in a man's body, so I assumed I'd get a chance to love the woman trapped within, if you will. To my dismay, it's been very hard for him to express much of his feminine side, even in private. I've made it clear that I would be totally accepting of him exploring this with me. I've encouraged him to start dressing more feminine. He says he doesn't want to do it in this city, period, even at home, because it would only make him sad that he couldn't do it in public. We're planning to move to San Francisco this summer, and he's said he'll be more open to tapping into that aspect of himself once we're out there.

In the meantime, I've been fantasizing about women. I'm friends with quite a few gay and bisexual women that I've had some flirtation with.

(I had an ill-fated threesome with one of these women and my current partner several months back. It wasn't my first threesome. I've come to the conclusion that threesomes just aren't for me. While they can be fun, they only seem to complicate things, and ultimately leave me cold.)

I've been honest about my flirtations and desires with my significant other, but we've not yet reached a resolution as to how to solve my dilemma. The hangup is on my end, this time.

In order for me to feel comfortable dating another girl (or girls), I'd have to be okay with the idea of my partner being able to do the same... right? Ideally (and selfishly) I'd like to be able to date other girls, but for my partner to be exclusively with me. Yes, I know how bad that sounds.

The issue I have is as follows: I'm bisexual. My partner fulfills my needs for male interaction, but I still crave women. If he were bi and told me he was having similar feelings, I'd be understanding of this and would have no problem with him seeing other guys, so long as they practiced safe sex. (I've dated a bi guy before and had no issue with this.) I wouldn't feel threatened by men, because I know they could provide for my partner emotional interaction and, to be frank, sexual interaction that I simply can't.

If my partner were to date other women, however, I'd perceive it as competition. I'd be jealous. I'd feel threatened. I'd be afraid he'd grow to love another woman more than myself. I'd be hurt. I've tried explaining this to my partner, but this is usually about where the conversation ends, as we're both uncertain what to do.

I've been here so many times before with straight men, so my frustration is now at an all-time high. This is why I was wary of dating another straight man, because I felt in my heart this is exactly where I'd end up.

Can anyone out there offer any advice? Am I being totally unreasonable?
 
The issue I have is as follows: I'm bisexual. My partner fulfills my needs for male interaction, but I still crave women. If he were bi and told me he was having similar feelings, I'd be understanding of this, and would have no problem with him seeing other guys, so long as they practiced safe sex .(I've dated a "bi" guy before and had no issue with this.) I wouldn't feel threatened by men, because I know they could provide for my partner emotional interaction and, to be frank, sexual interaction that I simply can't.


WOW! This is very similar to someone else's feelings I know... Wait now, the name is on the tip of my tongue. Here it comes. ME!

Nice to hear a woman viewing things similarly to this vanilla cracker. Brace yourself, you'll probably get called out on this with the usual insecurity questions. I'm with you, though!

Wish I had more advice other than because you are looking for a woman it may be received a lot better than if you were looking for another man.

Good luck,
Mono
 
Hi,

I too am in a very similar situation. You might be interested in checking out shybi.com. I've been over there. There are a lot of women there in similar situations. I am also bi-curious and would love to introduce a lady into our situation. One of my guys is bisexual. He is in another relationship, with a guy. I am very happy that he has found a guy that he is not only very happy with, but seems to work quite well with our relationship. I wish I could be so lucky finding a girl. :p
 
Thanks for the responses. I know that my issue stems from insecurity. I have no problem stating that. I don't claim to be perfect, enlightened, and certainly not better than anyone else. I own up to my jealousy. I know it's a huge problem in my life. I wish it weren't a part of who I am, but lying about it would be just that -- lying! I'm big on honesty. I try to evaluate my feelings and actions as fairly as I can, and to pinpoint when I'm being a big jerkface.

I guess I'm more interested in how I can overcome this jealousy. Is there anyone out there that's had major jealousy/insecurity issues to overcome? If not, is there anyone in a poly situation who is not exclusive, but their partner is? How has it impacted your relationship?
 
I know that my issue stems from insecurity. I have no problem stating that.

Here is where we are different. I'm not insecure. I know what I am willing to compromise to be in a relationship and what I am not at this point in time. Getting over that idea of being insecure was more my struggle. I hope you find exactly what you need to ovecome your own struggles and achieve what you want, my friend. :)

Mono
 
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Hey Faux,

Welcome!

I'm in a somewhat similar situation. I've been in a relationship w a M2F transgendered woman all this year. I've also been dating others, mostly men, some bi, some straight. However, I would like to see a bio (cis-gendered) woman sometime, since my lover is pre-op and my real-life experience with women is limited to a couple brief encounters I had I in my late teens.

Please read my other posts to see how I've been dealing with jealousy, feelings about fear of competition and potential for loss, envy, anxiety, etc. I've been blabbing about that a lot here since I joined a couple weeks ago.
 
Please read my other posts to see how I've been dealing with jealousy, feelings about fear of competition and potential for loss, envy, anxiety, etc. I've been blabbing about that a lot here since I joined a couple weeks ago.

Hardly babble, Magdlyn. Sharing valuable insight is a better description, and a great sense of humour, as well. :)
 
Thanks again to everyone for their thoughtful responses! I appreciate the feedback. I feared being judged harshly when I first submitted my original post, and I'm glad to have instead gotten such supportive input. :)

Magdlyn, I'll look up some of your other posts. The one thing that's always kept me from really pursuing a poly lifestyle is the jealousy factor and not wanting to ruin the monogamous relationship I'm in. I've been told it's harder to go from monogamous to poly once the expectation has been in place that you'll be exclusive with your partner, but I have a hard time trusting someone enough right off the bat to open things up. Ideally, I'd like to have a primary partner that I felt comfortable enough with that we could both date other people. At the same time, though, the thought scares me, because I fear there'd be too many opportunities for deception and hurt feelings for everyone involved. I guess that's a possibility in any relationship... I dunno.

When I first got together with my current partner (I'm omitting his name for privacy's sake, although he probably wouldn't care), we discussed the idea of being exclusive until we'd been together for years and our relationship was stable enough to take on the additional strain. I feel like our relationship is stronger now than ever, but I'd still like to maybe even wait until after marriage to open it up. Not only that, but I'd rather like to not rock the boat. We're enjoying a bit of calm in a relationship that has had a few kinks to be worked out. It gets more confusing because of the attraction I've had towards women. Logically, I think it'd be best to wait, but impulsively I want to have sex with every pretty girl I see these days. :p

I feel like my sex life is suffering a bit, simply because I grow bored with familiarity pretty easily, and I find my mind wandering when he and I are having sex. I've noticed myself thinking about women when I'm with him, and I've been encouraging him more than ever to dress and act more feminine. It's partially because I know it's part of himself he'd like to express, but a lot of it is because I know it'd turn me on to make love with someone of a more feminine persuasion.
 
For the most part, jealousy is treated more as a sympton that an issue. The issue is usually insecurity or envy. In your case, it sounds like insecurity because you will see it as competition.

Maybe you can perceive it differently if you realize that in this "competition" everyone can be a winner. Unlike monogamy practices, if you like someone (for whatever reason) you can be with them and do not have to choose one person over another. The only reason you leave someone is because you just don't want to be around them, not because there is someone better out there.

In a sense, love between any two people is very unique. If he were involved with another woman, his love for her would feel different than his love for you-- not better or worse, just different.

Another poly concept is compersion (or frubble). Sometimes seeing your partner happy being with someone can make you happy.

This will involve working on your communication and understanding of each other's desires.
 
www.lovemore.com
www.xeromag.com

These websites have great articles on owning your insecurities and dealing with them as your problem, as opposed to your partner's problem.

Additionally, the books Opening Up and Love Without Limits address this very well.
 
Yes, communication is vital. You both need to define what the limits of the relationship are, and be open to the possibility that those limits may change over time. You don't have to feel guilty about your thoughts and feelings. I have noticed that when you are bisexual, the "focus" of your orientation can shift over time, so don't stress out about that too much. Just define your commitment to each other, and be supportive of each other. My own bi partner shifts back and forth between being interested exclusively in women and being into men. We roll with it. :rolleyes:
 
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