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UP8

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I was bullied as a child and felt sexually invisible in high school and feel wounds from that are still fresh in some ways. I see a lot of people who speak for the poly community who found relationships easy from the very beginning and that makes me feel not so welcome and has made me kind of hesitant to join in forums like this but my therapist told me I'd get more understanding from identified polyamorists so here I am.

I cohabitated with my spouse for a few years and have been married for more than 20 years. We slept together for quite a few months before we had sex for the first time and felt the sexual part of our relationship was not so passionate as the one I had with my previous girlfriend. Not long after my son was born (now college age) our libidos went in very different directions and the lack of sex and the quality became a major stress. I had a career crisis a bit less than a decade ago that had me start SSRIs, when that happened the sex dried up almost completely and I wasn't motivated enough to complain about it.

About a year ago my doc said I should try stopping the SSRIs and in the next few months I experienced an awakening. I cleaned up years of junk that had accumulated around the house, lost about 22 pounds without trying, and the conflicts about sex really came to the fore. I read the book The Art of Seduction by Robert Greene and it hit me like a lightning bolt and that got me reading a lot about love, relationships and seduction and such. Well my wife was not just consenting with this but she assisted me in my schemes and both she and me son noticed I was a lot happier and easy to live with when this was happening.

Not too long ago we made a discovery about my wife that made it really clear that the bulk of the difficulties were on her side and that maybe she could do years of therapy, take time off from all the things in life that she really loves, and maybe respond occasionally if I could choke back feeling resentful and deprived in the meantime enough not to push her away. She would have to do all this for something she doesn't care about herself and just to please me. On the other hand I have like 20 or 30 hours a week I can devote to new relationships and a tremendous amount of desire, energy and willingness to work hard.

Mainstream people really would have a hard time getting it but we both believe I can be a better husband if I succeed at becoming polyamorous. In terms of being committed and companionate our relationship is strong. The serial monogamy route seems like a certain disaster (should she be alone because she can't respond? if i break this relationship can I really believe the next one will last? breaking up would make it easier for me to explain myself to mainstream people and might open some doors but it would also mean more stress and difficulty as opposed to being supported in my growth and healing by the family I love.)

One some level I'm afraid "you can't teach an old dog new tricks" but in the last six months I have probably done about 1/4 of the studying on the way to a master's degree. I can talk a really good game on relationships. From my book learning I am really certain it's possible to have a love affair like the ones aristocrats had in the 18th century and I know that could be a lot of fun for both of us. Yet the book learning isn't the same thing as making it happen. I'm going to keep doing it because it's a way of relating to the world that is good at even though I'm starting to think and my therapist is starting to think it could be getting in the way. I'd see a one night stand as an improvement over the status quo but I've got some picture of what is possible with new relationship energy and I really want to make something awesome happen for somebody.
 
Greetings UP8,
Welcome to our forum. Please feel free to lurk, browse, etc.

It sounds like you are doing your best to learn about polyamory, and to prepare yourself for it. Polyamory isn't easy, and it's not for everyone, but it's usually very much worth it, and from what I can tell so far, it's right for you. Just keep reading and posting in this thread and on these boards; people will respond to you, and help with information, sympathy, and advice. The Poly Relationships Corner can be an especially fruitful place to read and post.

It sounds like your wife is doing her best to support you. That's a hopeful sign. I hope you'll continue to learn all you can about poly, and include her in the journey however much she wants to be included. Good luck!

Sincerely,
Kevin T., "official greeter" :)

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You might want to check out this forum. Maybe not the same issue but similar enough for ideas.

And for sure there are people there that understand where you are coming from.
 
I think a lot of poly people will understand your journey. Have you tried setting up an online dating profile, explicitly stating that you are married and exploring polyamory?

It sounds like you and your wife have discovered that you are not compatible sexually anymore. Maybe she is on the asexual spectrum or otherwise not interested in sex? Whereas you have discovered your sexuality after a number of years with your libido dormant due to anti-depressants?

I think you might find understanding people if you try to date or meet poly women in your area. You will probably meet women who are already in one or more relationships.

Is your wife comfortable with the idea of you seeking other partners to date?

My partner jokes that he would enjoy the life of an 18th century libertine...but without the syphilis :)
 
I think a lot of poly people will understand your journey. Have you tried setting up an online dating profile, explicitly stating that you are married and exploring polyamory?

It sounds like you and your wife have discovered that you are not compatible sexually anymore. Maybe she is on the asexual spectrum or otherwise not interested in sex? Whereas you have discovered your sexuality after a number of years with your libido dormant due to anti-depressants?

I think you might find understanding people if you try to date or meet poly women in your area. You will probably meet women who are already in one or more relationships.

Is your wife comfortable with the idea of you seeking other partners to date?

My partner jokes that he would enjoy the life of an 18th century libertine...but without the syphilis :)
I think the sexual incompatibility crept up on us. It's not unusual for women to lose interest in sex in committed relationships. I think guys will tolerate mediocre sex as long as they get sex but women won't. There are additional factors going on with my wife that made the trajectory much worse than average.

I certainly didn't lose my interest in sex entirely with SSRIs but I found masturbation mostly worked for me, I didn't feel too distressed about the lack of physical intimacy and wasn't going to make conflicts about it until I quit.

My wife is not 100% asexual, she will point out that she has sexual dreams. If I were interested in having a good experience I might set my watch at 4:30 am and try to wake her up out of a dream. Some times she is very lubricated and we have a great time but the results are not consistent.

The trouble with the mismatch is that I can't sustain my performance if the ratio is like 50 times masturbating to having sex once. Even though generically I want it a lot more than her when she is ready for it I might just be spent. Also all of that waiting and feeling deprived leads to resentment that mean I am not going to perform well, give her a good time, or even necessarily have a good time myself. Even though I want it very badly in principle I might not want it or enjoy it ... then.

Bigger picture my wife is just not unsatisfied with the situation except that I am unhappy but she is not going to make me happy by flopping over like a starfish and she can do more than that occasionally.

My wife is completely on board with this. She even helped me pick a tremendous number of flowers from one of our gardens when I wanted to use them to seduce somebody. Frankly I think the kind of ground rules and terminology many poly have are silly but we have talked a lot about different scenarios that might happen and what we might do about it. She isn't interested in dating anybody else, she doesn't feel the need to veto who I date, we think it would be great if we could bring people over to our farm and we could all get along but it's not a requirement. It doesn't seem likely to me that I'd be interested in somebody she'd hate but you never know... Probably the one ground rule we have (mine) is that I should be wearing a condom with anybody else because it is just good sense. (Helps with that syphilus)

I've made some attempts at seducing people that have led, at the very least, led to me experiencing very strong limerance so we know that I can have strong feelings for another and our primary relationship is not weakened but actually strengthened. Now when I really find another partner all sorts of crazy things could happen and maybe it won't be so easy but the 'dry runs' we have done so far are encouraging. (On the other hand I know I hurt somebody's feelings and was broken up for more than a month over a relationship that was a whole lot of nothing and it's likely something even stronger will happen again.)

I am within a stone's throw of filling out a profile on plentyoffish, any ideas on what is a good choice?
 
a lot of people find okcupid more successful than plenty of fish, but they’ve taken out a lot of the things that made it great over the years so I’m not really sure I still recommend it.
 
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