Having trouble with being needy

Bri519

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I'm new to the site so please forgive me if I make a faux pax.

I have been married to my wife, I'll call her Zoe, for close to 6 years and we have both been mono this whole time. From the beginning Zoe knew she was bisexual but had never had a chance to be with another woman. Through the years we have always talked about including another woman into our marriage, so the idea of polyamory isn't new. About a month ago Zoe told me that she had a crush on a woman she works with and that she was developing sexual desires towards her and that this woman, let's call her Mara, was interested in Zoe but not in having any sexual relationship with me so us all being poly together wasn't an option. I understood that this was something important to her, for her to explore a side of her sexuality that she has never had the chance to so I told her I was okay with her exploring the situation as long as we were completely transparent with everything and that if there was something I was not comfortable with, I tell her and we work through it to make sure her and I keep together.

After about two week, it was becoming obvious to me that this wasn't just a crush and that Zoe was developing feelings for Mara. I explained that I was struggling with the new development but feel that it is still something that she needs to figure out and that if I asked her to put the breaks on then she would just resent me in the long run. So it continued on much the same as before and about a week later, it was obvious things had changed again and that this wasn't just an infatuation, Zoe loved her and Mara loved her back. I was actually the one who pointed this out.

This leads us to our current situation; Zoe is taking steps to further the relationship with Mara physically as well as nurturing the emotional connection, I am left feeling a lot of emotions that are very difficult for me to deal with.

Okay, thanks for reading this far, now to what I would like help with. First, and most importantly at the minute is: I am becoming extremely needy in our relationship. I was not needy before, but since this has started it has been causing issues with Zoe and I. I know I am doing it, I try to assess where the emotion is coming from but I'm not sure what the root is. Have people dealt with this in the past? and what worked for you?

Second, Zoe and I have talked about what the options are moving forward and what we came up with is that either I tell her I am not okay with it anymore, presenting her with an ultimatum and she resents me. Or I get okay with what is happening and things continue which makes me feel like I have been given an ultimatum and I have begun to resent her. How do you make decisions when it feel like all of them lead to someone, or all three of us, getting hurt?

Closing statements for clarity, we have great communication and we love each other very, very much. We are both sure that we want our marriage to work out, that we still have our hopes and dreams for our future together, and that this is something that we can work through, it will just take a lot of work.

Thank you
 
Hello Bri519,

Sorry I am so late in responding to your post, it took an unusually long time to get past the moderation filter so I did not see it until today. Just a snafu, you didn't do anything wrong.

As for your neediness, I think you need to evaluate what is a want and what is a need. There may be things you feel you have to have (needs) that are actually just preferences (wants). You may be mistakenly thinking some of those wants are needs, when in reality, they are not things that you *have* to have. When a need comes up in your mind, and you are about to tell her about it, ask yourself: "Is this really a need for me, or just a want?"

As far as ultimatums are concerned, I wonder if there isn't some kind of middle ground here, some kind of compromise that both (all three) of you could live with. For instance, maybe Zoe (and Mara) could slow things down a little, not stop things, but slow things down. So that you have a little more breathing room, and a chance to process what is going on. This doesn't have to be a big change, even a subtle adjustment will work. Ask her, and see what she thinks.

These are a couple of ideas, if I can think of more I'll let you know.
Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
I'm sorry you are struggling.

Through the years we have always talked about including another woman into our marriage, so the idea of polyamory isn't new.

Ok.

About a month ago Zoe told me that she had a crush on a woman she works with and that she was developing sexual desires towards her and that this woman, let's call her Mara, was interested in Zoe but not in having any sexual relationship with me so us all being poly together wasn't an option.

That's where I'm confused. What is polyamory to you?

To me? Even if Mara isn't dating you, you three are choosing to participate in some kind of Poly V model. So... there you all are. All three of you ARE "doing poly together."

Group sex is not a poly requirement.

This leads us to our current situation; Zoe is taking steps to further the relationship with Mara physically as well as nurturing the emotional connection, I am left feeling a lot of emotions that are very difficult for me to deal with.

What are the emotions you feel? You don't actually say. Can you circle?

https://www.cnvc.org/training/resource/feelings-inventory

How much disentangling work did you do before opening the marriage?

https://medium.com/@PolyamorySchool/the-most-skipped-step-when-opening-a-relationship-f1f67abbbd49

Is Zoe spending enough time with you on this side of the V? Or is she all caught up in the New Relationship Energy with Mara on that side? Like NRE obsessed and neglecting things at home or taking you for granted? :confused:

I am becoming extremely needy in our relationship. I was not needy before, but since this has started it has been causing issues with Zoe and I. I know I am doing it, I try to assess where the emotion is coming from but I'm not sure what the root is. Have people dealt with this in the past? and what worked for you?

You say you are needy but don't say what the needs actually ARE.

Are you needing closeness and connection with Zoe?

A sense of routines and stability at home despite this new poly stuff?

Something else? Can you circle?

https://www.cnvc.org/training/resource/needs-inventory

Have you read poly hell?

http://www.kathylabriola.com/articles/are-you-in-poly-hell

Is it any of that going on?

either I tell her I am not okay with it anymore, presenting her with an ultimatum and she resents me.

What is "it?" What behavior is she doing that bugs you?

Why would she resent you if you say you don't want to participate in a Poly V any more? You are in charge of your consent to participate in things. You can say "I have to bow out. I'm not up for it like I thought." How is anyone being treated unfairly if it turns out you reached a personal limitation you didn't know you had and make her aware you cannot continue?

She is free to keep on going without you.

It changes the conversation maybe. To where you and her have to part ways peacefully if you want no more poly and she still does. But you don't HAVE to be resenting each other.

Or I get okay with what is happening and things continue which makes me feel like I have been given an ultimatum and I have begun to resent her.

If you "get ok" with it, presumably you ARE ok and happy to participate in this model. So where's the resentment? :confused:

If you choose to go along with it even though secretly you really don't want it... why park the resentment on her head? Rather than resent yourself doing stuff you don't really want to be doing? And not being emotionally honest with her? :confused:

I am going to guess. I might guess wrong.

You don't sound unwilling for Zoe to have another partner.

Just maybe upset that it's become her entire focus or like you are being taken for granted. Like you could be ok with a poly V but not LIKE THIS. Is that it? :confused:

If so... are you able to list the objectionable behaviors you'd like her to consider changing? Like a middle place rather than leaping to the extremes of ultimatums and resentments? Don't doom-ify this.

Closing statements for clarity, we have great communication and we love each other very, very much. We are both sure that we want our marriage to work out, that we still have our hopes and dreams for our future together, and that this is something that we can work through, it will just take a lot of work.

If all that is true? Take comfort in that. Work it out. LEAN into it and sort out what needs sorting. Figure out where the problem behaviors are, who is doing them, and what can be changed.

The "old normal" is gone. The "new normal" isn't quite here yet. The space in between can feel pretty weird. And it's normal for it to feel weird. Maybe knowing that helps you?

Could you say "Zoe, I'm willing for you to date Mara. I'm just not willing to do it like THIS where I'm being taken for granted.

If you have two partners now, could you be willing to attend to both partners in turn? And not like put all your attention on the New Shiny Person?
Sometimes I want to go out with you on the weekend. The last 5 weekends have been all Mara. What's up with that?"

Or whatever the main problem is. List one specific behavior you would like to ask her to change. Maybe she has one she wants you to change. Do it one thing at a time. Don't make it be a laundry list of complaints at each other. That can feel overwhelming/demoralizing. Take the hills you can take. YKWIM?

How do you make decisions when it feel like all of them lead to someone, or all three of us, getting hurt?

When all the choices stink? I pick the least stinky choice then.

I would rather deal with one load of UGH rather than the original UGH and then a bonus load ugh from dragging things out.

Who wants to be doing double load UGH when they don't have to? :confused:

I accept I feel things because I am alive. And not all emotions are fun feelings. But all feelings -- good or bad ones -- pass in time. One weathers things out.

Are you an emotionally resilient person?

Galagirl
 
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Hi and welcome to the forum.





Through the years we have always talked about including another woman into our marriage, so the idea of polyamory isn't new. About a month ago Zoe told me that she had a crush on a woman she works with and that she was developing sexual desires towards her and that this woman, let's call her Mara, was interested in Zoe but not in having any sexual relationship with me so us all being poly together wasn't an option.

I think mindset and expectations could be an issue. The mindset and expectations described above is one of unicorn hunters looking to spice up their marriage. The expectation / flawed thinking was a joint adventure and marriage basically stays the same with an added person. What you’re about to learn is the old marriage is gone and I new one is being built slowly and painfully.


This leads us to our current situation; Zoe is taking steps to further the relationship with Mara physically as well as nurturing the emotional connection, I am left feeling a lot of emotions that are very difficult for me to deal with.

I think this is the shift from what you thought it would be vs reality. Demotion and perhaps some displacement.

Second, Zoe and I have talked about what the options are moving forward and what we came up with is that either I tell her I am not okay with it anymore, presenting her with an ultimatum and she resents me. Or I get okay with what is happening and things continue which makes me feel like I have been given an ultimatum and I have begun to resent her. How do you make decisions when it feel like all of them lead to someone, or all three of us, getting hurt?

I take it there were no prior discussions on tapping out. A trial period, etc.

I know you’re focused on the here and now but this could all change very dramatically if and when you started dating. Zoe could be asking the same thing then.
 
Hate to be the bearer of bad news but even if your your wife called it quits with Mara tomorrow. Your marriage as you knew it is dead. The genie is out of the bottle and there is no going back completely. Yes you can go back to being a Monogamous couple BUT it will not be the same.

Why if you are interested are you not getting yourself out there and exploring polyamory?
 
Your marriage as you knew it is dead. The genie is out of the bottle and there is no going back completely. Yes you can go back to being a Monogamous couple BUT it will not be the same.

I was going to post something along these lines but it seems like I post that a lot and didn’t want to sound too repetitive even though it’s true.
 
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