Having Visitors in a Shared Home

Vicki82

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Hi everyone, I've gotten some thoughts from friends but I wanted to post here and make sure I am getting some unbiased feedback. My stbxH did a lot of gaslighting to the point where I am no longer really confident of how "appropriate" my reactions are when I feel emotional.

My partner, Henry, moved into my house a year ago. He pays rent and does have his own designated space but it's full of junk and he rarely uses it. He spends most of his alone time in the finished basement which I also need to use since it has my laundry room as well as my pantry and other stored items there- it is not a private space by any means. Kiddo also likes to play down there and lots of his toys are present.

I will admit up front that I am not used to having strangers in my home. stbxH never invited friends over, ever, so the only people who have ever been in my home socially were personally invited by me. I had trouble when Henry started inviting his friends over to hang out and do hobbies because I felt uncomfortable that there were people in my house. They can't at this time really be in Henry's room since it's cluttered with junk and anyway couldn't make much noise there after Kiddo goes to bed since it's right next door, so they are always in common areas. I have tried to meet them and be friendly (and that helps) but I am always a bit uncomfortable. I own that this is my issue and don't try to prevent him from having people over althought I admit to not being enthused by it. I do recognize that Henry lives here too and should have the right to have his friends visit.

I also suffer from severe anxiety and depression, and specifically with regards to personal items and space. I need all doors and windows locked in my home to feel comfortable and safe.

I can also share that Henry told me in previous living situations that his roommates or partners have not wanted him to have people over for various reasons. He gets upset if he thinks that is happening because of his past. He admits to having stronger than reasonable reactions if this is the case and owns that.

So, given that background, here is what happened yesterday:

One of Henry's friends is doing a walk across the country to raise money for mental health awareness, and he was going to be passing through our town. Henry invited him to stay the night. I asked him if this was a person he actually knew as opposed to just someone from the internet, and he said yes he'd known him for 8 years (although he hadn't seen him in a year). So I said okay and figured I could suck up the uncomfortable for one night. I was not enthused and asked that he wait to have the friend over until after my family left for the day (around 7pm) and he said probably not but the guy would just drop off his stuff and head out for dinner and not be back until later.

So the guy comes over and he seems friendly enough and introduces himself to my family and to Kiddo. I try to be polite and make conversation. He leaves his stuff and goes out to dinner and I get Kiddo settled in bed and Henry and I have our dinner.

The friend comes back later and we're all chatting again. He asks me to like his page on Facebook so that he can tag us as staying here tonight. I go over to his page and see that he has actually posted a Google Maps image of him walking from wherever he was to my house, with the address listed. This is a completely public internet site. On the inside, I am freaking the fuck out, but I at least try to restrain myself and say that I am not comfortable with that, and he removes the post (it had already been shared twice and I don't know if that means it's still out there). At this point I'm already in shock that he thought it would be acceptable to post someone's home address on the internet, especially without even asking permission!

Then I decide to start looking over his page so I can at least get an idea about what he's doing and such. Then I read on his page that he is a multiple convicted felon, for armed robbery. Not jail, but prison.The last instance was in 2002, but that's a violent crime. If someone has shown the propensity to be dangerous to other people, I don't want them in my home and especially around Kiddo!

I had a severe anxiety attack to the point where I couldn't move and just sat quietly until they went outside for a cigarette, and then I went upstairs and locked myself in the master bedroom and called a friend while I was crying and in the middle of my attack. I sent Henry a text that said that I was having an attack, that I couldn't believe he'd invite a convicted felon into our home and around Kiddo, and to leave me alone. He came up and knocked at the door and tried calling my cell but I didn't answer because I couldn't handle speaking to him right now. He IM'd me saying he got it, that I didn't want to see him or speak to him. I'm still not really sure what the tone of that was, but it was plain and simple the truth and I told him to leave me alone so I don't know what was going on there. Usually he gives me space when I need it so I don't know why he didn't last night.

I told him that I didn't feel safe and that I needed space and I probably should have stopped answering but I didn't, and we had a conversation where he told me that the conviction was 14 years ago and that he is a different person now and does so much good, etc etc. I told him that it doesn't matter to me, that I feel like he violated my consent by withholding that information, and that I don't even feel safe in my own home right now. That I couldn't believe that he thought it would be okay to have a convicted felon around Kiddo. He asked if I wanted him to kick the friend out and I said no, and told him that I'd be scared about issues if he did but that I did not want the friend around Kiddo in the morning- that I wanted him gone and this never to happen again.

I'm seriously questioning Henry's judgment at this point and I am feeling pretty horrible. I'm still feeling anxiety even though the friend was gone before I got up in the morning. Henry has been in the basement since I got up so we haven't spoken and I'm not really feeling like hashing this out. I feel violated. One of my friends asked me whether I was waiting for him to come to me to reassure me or something but that's not it at all; I don't really want him around me right now.

So, I'd really appreciate it, if you waded through this whole story, if you'd share your thoughts about this whole situation. Thanks in advance.
 
In your signature, you've indicated Henry is your collared sub. Just wondering if that is 24/7 or not, because it doesn't seem like you are in charge in this relationship. It seems like he makes decisions without asking for your input and I would think that a Domme would direct him differently.

There is more I want to write but will finish later when I have time. For now, that was the first thing that popped into my head.
 
Even without the back story, I would be livid. My needs, hubby's needs GF's needs all come a distant second to the need for my children's safety. His thinking is incredibly selfish not to consider that and I don't care if the conviction is 1 year of 40 years ago if I don't know someone and know that tidbit then I am going to want to know that person before they are in my home with my child.

As for posting your address, people are complete idiots anymore. There is no common consideration for privacy.
 
I'm hearing two things here. The first is that information that feel is need to know was withheld from you and you feel betrayed and violated because he didn't consider that this is something you needed. Have you come across a similar situation to this with Henry before? Is there a reason that he should have known to tell you this information other than strangers in your house make you feel anxious?

The other thing I'm hearing is judgement for a situation that happened fourteen years ago. People change. Treating them like they haven't makes it harder to. You absolutely have a right to decide who is in your and Henry's home but is it necessarily fair to base that decision off of a mistake someone made over a decade ago when your partner is there vouching for them? If you hadn't found out about their felony would you have found another reason to want them gone since you were already feeling upset that they had posted directions to your house?
 
In your signature, you've indicated Henry is your collared sub. Just wondering if that is 24/7 or not, because it doesn't seem like you are in charge in this relationship. It seems like he makes decisions without asking for your input and I would think that a Domme would direct him differently.

There is more I want to write but will finish later when I have time. For now, that was the first thing that popped into my head.

We are 24/7, for areas that we have negotiated. However, we're also LTR partners and so there are areas that I don't want or expect to have control of, such as his social life. I don't think him having people over, even if it inconveniences and discomforts me, is an unreasonable thing to want. I think that this choice was beyond the pale though, and I have already said that I don't want it to ever happen again.

I am interested in hearing what else you have to say, though.
 
Hi Vicki82,

I wonder if Henry is a bit clueless about the sacrifices you make to let him have company over at your home. It doesn't sound like anyone did anything maliciously, it just sounds like some poor judgment was exercised in making decisions. You have told Henry you never want it to happen again, and I presume he has agreed to that and promised: "Never again." But maybe he doesn't grasp what he's promising?

Maybe it's time for Henry to clean up his designated room so that he's not out in the common areas all the time? Maybe it's time to sit him down and explain, well, what you've explained in your original post in this thread. Maybe it's even time to think about evicting him, or at least evict him if he does let things get that bad again. It's up to you of course, but these are some thoughts that would cross my mind.

I feel for you, it's obvious that you're wounded by the sum total of Henry's actions.

With sympathy,
Kevin T.
 
I'm just kind of surprised- no one else has issues with who comes into their home? Maybe I'm just a freak.

Henry and I did talk about it and he agreed to no more convicted felons, although he thinks I have unfairly characterized his friend and doesn't think of him that way at all, especially because of all the good works he does to help people who are in the situation he was.

The discussion was decidedly unpleasant and I don't think we are actually ever going to agree on this, but I told him I wasn't willing to negotiate further. His other friends, I accept that I'll be generally feeling some discomfort from having them in my space, and I think that's reasonable. But no one who makes me feel unsafe in my own home, and we put some terms on that.

But really- no one else feels awkward at all when their partner has a guest? I am sure it's magnified because this is my house, it's not really a shared home. I own it, and Henry pays me rent. I know he has felt awkward before about how it's not really his home and the plain and simple truth is that he lives here, but he doesn't have the same rights I do.
 
I'm not really going to comment on much of the post, because I don't have your dynamic in my relationship. HOWEVER, I would be LIVID if my partner brought home a convicted felon and didn't tell me about his/her history so I could make an informed decision as to whether or not I wanted that person in my house. Being a parent, I would have gone through the roof.
 
Re (from Vicki82):
"No one else has issues with who comes into their home?"

I think I'm just lucky that I have very considerate housemates. They're careful not to have anyone over if it would upset me. I'm rather introverted and tend to hole up in my room (where my computer is located). If there is company, I often don't even meet them.

Re:
"I am sure it's magnified because this is my house, it's not really a shared home. I own it, and Henry pays me rent."

Your house, your rules. It really is that simple.
 
It's bad he invited a convicted felon over without giving you a heads up to see how you felt about it before doing it. With minors in the house. That's a problem.

I guess I do not understand why you are living with Henry in the first place.

  • You have trouble with people in your house that you did not invite. (Even if Henry kept a clean room and invited them there, this problem would still be there for you. You did not invite them in.)
  • You have severe anxiety and depression
  • Specifically with regards to personal items and space -- you need all doors and windows locked in your home to feel comfortable and safe.

If you have these health issues above that are best solved with you having no roomie? So you and only you control who comes in?

I don't understand why you aren't looking out for your own well being more. That seems like the first problem to solve to me. If you took care of that, then there would be no roomie (Henry) and no heads up to give because you and only you invite the people in.

Would living in next door or down the street or something be a better solution here? :confused:

"I am sure it's magnified because this is my house, it's not really a shared home. I own it, and Henry pays me rent."

Your house. Your rules. If he cannot hack it, don't have him for a roomie.

Could say you gave it a try, and it isn't working out. Could continue to date him and he could live elsewhere.

Then Henry can have his rules at his place and have his visitors over there any time he wants.

And when at your house, he could abide by your rules, in support of your anxiety/depression/health management needs.

Keep this way simpler on both.

Galagirl
 
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I guess I wouldn't live with someone who I didn't trust to have good judgement about people. If Nina knew about a friend's criminal history, yet still vouched for them, then that would be good enough for me. I echo GalaGirl's question about why you are choosing to live with Henry if this kind of thing makes you so anxious. Unlike GalaGirl however, I don't buy that it's 'your house, your rules'. If he's a tenant, he has rights. He should be allowed to invite whoever he likes in *his* part of the house. The fact that it sounds like he's a bit of a hoarder/slob, and so doesn't actually *have* a usable part of the house to call his own would bother me more than guests to be honest.
 
If I shared a house with someone, even if I owned it and they just rented it, I would be renting out that place under the expectation that common spaces are shared by all of those who live there and I need to respect the fact that other residents can have guests that they want in the house. Obviously I think there's limits to that (especially when you have kids to think about) so someone convicted of a violent crime would possibly be an issue. And I would expect general courtesy of not having a ton of people over late when I'm trying to sleep, or having people over so much that the space doesn't feel like it's mine, etc.

But to a certain extent... yeah, you may own the house and Henry might just rent it, but he's not just paying for a bedroom, he's paying for the right to common spaces too, which means being able to have his guests over.

I think there need to be boundaries about who he can bring over given that you have kids and also your own comfort level, and he clearly needs to clean up his cluttered space so that friends can be in those spaces sometimes too, but I also think it's good that you recognizing that you have hang-ups and need to deal with them so that you can be considerate of his living preferences as well and be able to compromise. If all of those things can't happen then maybe it is better to consider whether living together is the best idea.
 
It sounds to me like a (roomie + roomie) issue. One roomie is not happy with what the other roomie is doing.

To solve the roomie problem, one roomie could have to ask the other roomie to please change their behavior.

If they are not willing to change the behavior? If they cannot form a roomie agreement that suits both? Then the only way to go may be to break the lease and somebody moves.

It is her house. If she chooses to lease a portion of it, it is on her to draw up a contract that suits her. Use of what room, what common areas, pets or no pets, deposits, noise, property damage, etc. If she has failed to draw up a contract that suits her, it's a failure on her part to look out for her own interests.

When I say it is her house and her rules? I mean she could examine the contract she has written out that they both singed. If Henry is not living up to the contract? Hopefully there is an "out" in there somewhere for both parties. Whether it is the landlord or the tenant who wants to break the current lease. Then they are not roomies any more.

If there is no contract at all? Or it doesn't cover enough? Well, that's another kettle of fish.

Galagirl
 
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Unlike GalaGirl however, I don't buy that it's 'your house, your rules'. If he's a tenant, he has rights.

Depending on your location, a tenant who shares a kitchen/bath with the landlord has considerably fewer rights than a tenant with their own unit.

If you're looking for ways to clarify the tenant agreement, you may want to consult a local lawyer, but this site has some good info: http://www.rentprep.com/leasing-questions/landlord-guide-renting-room/

You may want to pay particular attention to item 2 and detail the rules/responsibilities for common areas.

Good luck!
 
It's bad he invited a convicted felon over without giving you a heads up to see how you felt about it before doing it. With minors in the house. That's a problem.

I guess I do not understand why you are living with Henry in the first place.

  • You have trouble with people in your house that you did not invite. (Even if Henry kept a clean room and invited them there, this problem would still be there for you. You did not invite them in.)
  • You have severe anxiety and depression
  • Specifically with regards to personal items and space -- you need all doors and windows locked in your home to feel comfortable and safe.

If you have these health issues above that are best solved with you having no roomie? So you and only you control who comes in?

I don't understand why you aren't looking out for your own well being more. That seems like the first problem to solve to me. If you took care of that, then there would be no roomie (Henry) and no heads up to give because you and only you invite the people in.

Would living in next door or down the street or something be a better solution here? :confused:



Your house. Your rules. If he cannot hack it, don't have him for a roomie.

Could say you gave it a try, and it isn't working out. Could continue to date him and he could live elsewhere.

Then Henry can have his rules at his place and have his visitors over there any time he wants.

And when at your house, he could abide by your rules, in support of your anxiety/depression/health management needs.

Keep this way simpler on both.

Galagirl

Honestly, the moving in thing wasn't planned. Unfortunately, because of finances and whatnot, we either had to live together or we'd never be able to see each other. The same situation effectively exists now- he couldn't afford to live anywhere near me, and since neither of us has a vehicle, that would pretty much end the relationship- funds are simply too tight for both of us. I own my house, so I am not relocatable to wherever he could actually afford to live (and I probably would not want to live in an area like that anyway). We can manage when we live together since we are sharing many costs, but he could not otherwise. We both have chronic health issues that preclude working more to change circumstances.

My choice now is the same as it was then; find a way to make living together work, or end the relationship. He's been here for a year now, and I do love him and I'm not looking at breaking up at this point. We've had other issues that needed to be sorted out about living together such as shared household responsibilities, but those seem to be shaping up.

TenK- In terms of tenancy, technically he doesn't have any rights under the law here because of the way the house is set up. I can evict him at any time, for any reason, at the end of the currently paid up month. I don't really have to worry about any of that.
 
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I'm sorry to bring this up as it feels like this has turned into a discussion of tenant rights more than anything but this felony was committed over a decade ago and this friend was on a walk to raise awareness for mental health. He's obviously a different person so why does it matter what he did in his past? Everyone has things they aren't proud of, most aren't available online and what makes us good people isn't that we make perfect choices but that we keep trying to be better. Which it sounds like he is. Did you feel at all uncomfortable by who he was as a person? Did he do anything that was inappropriate other than just being in your home? If you can't trust Henry's judgement of who is suitable to bring home or not then this issue is going to keep coming up in different ways.
 
TenK- In terms of tenancy, technically he doesn't have any rights under the law here because of the way the house is set up. I can evict him at any time, for any reason, at the end of the currently paid up month. I don't really have to worry about any of that.

You might not *have* to worry about any of that, under the law, but I think you *should*. The right to a secure and private home is pretty well protected in Europe, and that's a good thing. I know you are engaged in a 24/7 D/s thing, but the ability to just kick someone out with little notice and control which of their friends they're allowed to invite over is one hell of a power imbalance as I see it. It doesn't really sound like he has much of a choice about any of this. As you say, it's live with you or break up. Given his lack of legal protection it's not that much of a stretch of the imagination to infer it's also obey my house rules or possibly get evicted. Maybe that's not a problem for either of you given your dynamic, but to this outsider looking in, it doesn't sound very good. At least for your relationship. I totally think that as someone who suffers from anxiety, you should be able to have a safe place (your home) in which to retreat to. It's really important. Many people with anxiety like to feel in control of their environment. If you are the only person living in your home, then not only is having total control of that space easier, it's also not inhibiting anyone else's freedom. I see you as being stuck in a difficult place. Either you need to drop the need to control your home environment by working on your anxiety, or you need to help get Henry to a point where he can afford a place at least within public transport distance from yours. As your kid gets older, they're going to want more of an influence on who gets to come and go in your space too, so I'd recommend the former route.
 
It seems as if the OP is getting beat up. The visitor DID make a bad first impression by posting her address on Facebook. The OP freely acknowledges the fact that the whole visitor situation is an issue she needs to work on, and has been able to improve her condition in that respect. As someone who HATED having people in my home, I appreciate that it's difficult. I am much better now, especially since kids like to bring home their friends, but I couldn't stand to have visitors all the time, even to this day.

With this particular visitor, I understand why the OP was upset. Having my address posted on Facebook, and not being informed of the visitor's criminal past (if Henry wasn't aware of it, of course he would not be to blame, but he DID know it) would irk me as well. Yes, people can and do change, but isn't she allowed to have the opportunity for "informed" consent?
 
because of finances and whatnot, we either had to live together or we'd never be able to see each other.
If you don't accept breakup as a distinct possiblity -- perhaps even a likelihood -- then you are actively participating in not only holding yourself hostage to the situation, but explicitly handing over a whole lot of power. And IME, uncontrolled power can easily turn good people into utter idiots.

Transportation? C'mon -- I lived in south Minneapolis half my life, & didn't own a car until I was almost 30. Public transit is an option that hasn't been mentioned.

I'm seeing a lot of excuses made. Stop making excuses.

IMNSHO, if someone's name isn't on the lease/mortgage then it's MY house. Someone either wants to live with my quirks, or not, & that includes the requirement for funny hats at dinner. :p

Get off the relationship escalator. So often, I've been asked to advise friends who were GREAT roommates or a GREAT relationship, & totally SUCKED as live-in lovers.

If you need to rent a room in order to afford your house, then you're probably going to be MUCH better off in finding a well-vetted stranger to be a roomie. Start by reading The Share-House Survival Guide.
 
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