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Pastehead

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Hi all,

Im new to the site and have found the info and comments helpful.

My partner of 7 years had an affair which i found out 2 weeks ago. She has now told me she wants an open relationship and wants to feel free. I lo e her more than i ever thought possible we are an unsinkable ship, and together we have acheive and will acheive great things.

My issue is how to handle all the emotions that i have regarding the thoughts. I am very broad minded and understand her thinking and truly want her to be free althouvh it hurts me to think she feels trapped.

We now talk for hrs about it but im struggling to cope with the jealousy involved and the anger that might come into it. I admit it has made me feel inadaquate and i am not enough.

Please help.
 
Welcome. Sorry you are coming into this from such a negative starting point - recovering trust after infidelity is hard, and makes the transition into an open relationship often very difficult indeed, since the basic currency we deal with in relationships is trust.

I suggest you break your issues down. First, how will you two repair your bonds with one another. Second, what kind of open relationship do you both want? Remember that this is a negotiation. It's not her way or the highway. Nor can you use her betrayal as a stick to beat her with forever. There is no reason to rush any stage of this. Feel free to ask her to stop seeing the person she cheated on you with if that makes any of these stages easier to deal with. If she's unwilling, then maybe this is not going to work out. Even with the best effort on your part, you can only meet her half way. She needs to be willing to put effort in on her end too.

I think you will find it easier if from the outset the relationship is open at both ends. One of the best ways I found to overcome the feeling of not being enough, and jealousy in general, was to seek out my own relationships. In understanding my own motivations for wanting other's, and analysing how I felt about my original partner when I was with a new person, I could better understand how it was not about me being 'not enough' at all, and how desiring other relationships was no reflection on the one I already had. Of course, this does somewhat assume that you DO want relationships of your own, and you might need some time to actually figure out if that's the case or not.
 
I trust her with my life and i dont have issues with the affair makes it easier as it was with a women. My gf new foynd desires are aimed at a male considerably older than herself and me.

The issue is that i dont seek out or desire to open myself up to a third party on my side as i goes against what i am also i not able to meet people asi find it very difficult to interact with people.

Iam more than happy for the love of my life to persue her desires although i am really struggling with the sharing and emotional side of it. Its one thing saying its another actually doing.
 
Hmm. So this is more a case of you being ok with your partner having a relationship with another woman, but not with another man?
 
I dont have an issue with her being with another man, it has always been a fantasy. Although obviously i would not be present on this occassion.

Im looking for advice on how to handle the emotions. I will be told when the meetinv will take place and i am unsure how to handle the emotion that i will be goinv through. And after the event.
 
Hi Pastehead,

This sounds like a really difficult time for you and your wife. I was introduced to polyamory in a similar manner to yours and am still hurting from it, 70 days in. If I could rewind time, I would have sat my partner down and said "We're going too fast. We don't understand polyamory. We're still emotionally monogamous. We are underestimating the power of NRE and we are underestimating the power of jealousy." If I had the guts, I would have told my wife, "We can do polyamory, but we can't do it with this man because you and he have broken my trust in starting out with an (emotional) affair." I should have said, "I find this man inherently threatening to our relationship because he has shown me a disrespect in choosing to have an affair with you. He has never apologised and expects me to now sanction this affair by hiding it behind an ethical framework."

That's a big sentence, it shows my pain still and I need to take a breath. Your relationship is not the same as my relationship. Please don't be offended if I say things that show my hurt. I'm not completely well yet and I hope my comments help a little, though I realise they may also rub you the wrong way if you don't agree with them. I apologise for this in advance and hope I can still be of help.

Transitioning from monogamy to polyamory is really difficult. Recovering from an affair is also really difficult. Neither was actually difficult for me individually, but when combined, I was introduced to a whole world of hurt.

I am uncertain as to the details of your wife's affair. Your quote below seems to say it was a woman, but then says it was with a man? Could you clarify for us please?

i dont have issues with the affair makes it easier as it was with a women. My gf new foynd desires are aimed at a male considerably older than herself and me.

Regardless, transitioning from a previously monogamous relationship to polyamory via an affair is real tough. Experienced counsellors have said they have never seen it happen successfully with the original relationship intact. In my search for a counterexample, I found 2 rare relationships that seemed to have survived, but none have so far lasted more than a few months:

Example 1: A man cheated on his wife in a previously monogamous relationship and his wife agreed to enter polyamory. Somewhat unexpectedly, the wife and the affair partner developed a sexual relationship, which probably helped with the transition and feelings of jealousy. Another factor that I think is helpful is that the wife had full control over how quickly the transition process took place as evidenced by the fact that she called it all off after 2 months, took a while to process it, then said they could try again. Polyamory took a few months to happen but we hear nothing from the author after a while. Experienced polyamorists all over will say that this is an exceptional circumstance and I feel that the fact that it lasted even a few months is incredible. I hope it's still continuing but experienced polyamorists seem to feel that the situation would probably not work out in the long run.

Example 2: This guy is awesome. He and his wife transitioned from being a previously monogamous couple to a polyamorous relationship from what I believe was his wife's emotional affair. You may ask Al99 directly as to how he did this, but I feel that factors helping Al99 include his wife's commitment to proceeding with polyamory at the rate of the slowest person (that is, at Al's rate, or equivalently, giving Al99 full control of the rate at which he was comfortable with the progression of her relationship with her affair partner), a long distance relationship that limits physical contact to once a month, and Al's unique ability to really work through jealousy and feel compersion.

Example 3: From post 19 onwards, JaneQSmythe, an already experienced polyamorist describes how an emotional/semi-physical affair almost completely destroyed her and her partner. It took years to recover to where it is now. I will highlight that JaneQSmythe and her partner only had to deal with an affair or broken boundaries, and did not have to deal with a transition from monogamy to polyamory at the same time, potentially making this easier, though I'm sure JaneQSmythe found nothing easy about the situation at the time.

There are many many examples of previously monogamous couples who fail to transition to polyamory with an affair partner. I feel my wife and I failed mainly because the new relationship energy she felt for her affair partner propelled her to further the relationship faster than I could handle. Simultaneously, I was unable to devote time to understanding and managing my jealousy at a rate that satisfied her. I felt I was mistreated, which lead to jealousy. The exact way in which mistreatment led to jealousy is still a mystery to me, but I feel it may have had to do with my fear that her mistreatment of me was evidence of a lack of love, which in turn made me despair the loss of my relationship with my wife. Despair, and maybe the contempt I thought I felt from her as I was unable to allow her the freedom of enjoying her new partner... nothing kills love like contempt.

I will end by saying that my wife and I really felt that we had an unsinkable ship. The one hole in our relationship was my wife's desire for relationships with other men which, as a monogamous couple, we never found a way of dealing with. Polyamory gave us a philosophy in which we could understand and deal with this. Polyamory was wonderful. We took to polyamory like it was a blessing but attempted to transition too fast. Polyamory is hard. Real hard. A relationship that starts with an affair has lots of invisible hurts that needs to be healed. I never saw any hurt in me as I started polyamory. Her affair didn't bother me in the least. I was filled with compersion for my wife. I really felt like I was falling in love again. I was so excited, so keen, and really, so arrogant in thinking I would not suffer from jealousy. After I started polyamory, all the hurts and injustices of the last 10 years just seemed to pour in - hurts and injustices that had never bothered me in the past. It was a really painful experience and despite my personal growth from the situation, I would recommend transitioning from monogamy to polyamory via an affair in the same way I would recommend you get cancer and chemotherapy just for personal development.

EDIT: Apologies to anyone who has actually had to go through cancer and chemotherapy. That's obviously much worse.

You also say you are feeling inadequate. One of the largest lessons I learnt from this was that my wife's affair had more to do with her issues, her love attachment styles and her insecurities than it had to do with me as a person. This may not be immediately obvious, but websites on affair recovery, limerence/obsession and love/sex addiction may help with this understanding. You are not inadequate. Your wife's affair has nothing to do with you as a person - it's her affair, it's her fantasies and is likely to reflect her emotional and mental state far more than you as a person. (And if your wife is reading this, I don't mean your wife any disrespect either - these things happen. But your husband is hurting, and from an affair recovery perspective, accepting that he is not inadequate is the fastest way for a hurt partner to recover self confidence). Back to you Pastehead, if it was you she had a problem with, she would have divorced you first. The problem is not with you.

Finally, your wife might want to share her side of the story as well, otherwise the advice we give will likely be one sided, biased, and likely to be insulting to your wife as we fail to take her emotions and needs into account.

Good luck. And please keep us updated on how you're going.
 
Hi, my partners affair was with a woman. Since finding information out the hardway and spoken to the love of my life she has said she wants to open the relationship up and has now said she is interested in experiencing another male other than myself.
 
Hi Pastehead,

I am sorry you are struggling with your emotions. This is normal and what you are feeling is okay, don't let yourself feel bad about having jealousy or try to suppress it.

The best thing to do is dig into the reasons why you are feeling this. Is it insecurity, fear that she will leave you for someone else, fear that you will lose some of her affection... these are reasonable things to feel. Once you figure out why you are feeling this way, the best thing you can do is talk about it so she can give you reassurance. Talk as much and as often as necessary until your mind can be put at ease. It does get easier over time, as you talk through your issues you will gain tools that you can use to deal with the emotions on your own.

I was in a situation where I had no problem with my wife having feelings for another woman, and experienced little to no jealousy at all. But when another man came into the picture, it was a rage of jealousy. Through talking and understanding that it has nothing to do with my inadequacies, only the need for her to explore other connections, I have come to realize that there should be no difference whether it is another man or a woman. It is not going to detract in any way from our relationship, and will in fact make us stronger and happier together.

I hope that you are able to find your way through this difficult situation. Also want to say it is great that you are willing and want to try to accept her polyamory, given that this came about under less than ideal circumstances.

Regards,
 
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Hi Pastehead,

Two main things I would suggest, one is that you find ways to occupy your time when your partner is away, two is that you explore your emotions and try to determine where they're coming from. Are you afraid? Where is the fear coming from? Is there something you're afraid could happen? What's the worst thing that could happen? How would you cope if it did happen? On the other hand, maybe you have needs that are not being met. That can cause jealousy.

I also suggest you communicate with your partner, not in an accusing way, but just an honest way describing your feelings. And in a way that lets her describe her feelings too. Both of you ought to try to be good listeners ... or better listeners as the case may be.

I suppose you could say that it's true that you're "not enough," not that you're deficient as a partner or person, but in that your partner wants to have multiple partners, thus no *one* partner could be enough per se. It's not about you personally, it's about what she wants in terms of multiple people. Hopefully that makes sense.

Anyway those are some thoughts I had.
Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
It might help to think of jealousy as a symptom, not the "disease". You need to explore what is making you feel jealous. Those are the problems you need to address.
 
Hi thankyou for rhe helpful reasponses.

What am i limely to experiance emotionally on the first occasion.

Do people feel its right for them and then change after a while?

I want very muh for my partner to be happy and if this is what she wants then i need to support her as best i can.
 
Hi Paste,

Honestly, all people are different and there's not a standard template you can expect everyone to conform to. You're just as likely to experience no emotional difficulties at all, as you are to experience excruciating difficulties. You won't know until the first occasion occurs. Likewise, some people feel it's right for them and then change after awhile, others continue to feel it's right for them. It's virtually impossible to predict those kinds of things.

Your best bet is to keep us updated on your evolving situation and let us know what's happening. That way we can address your concerns in an up-to-date way.

Regards,
Kevin T.
 
Hi just an up date, after hrs of talking and heart to heart my other half has told me its not about an emotional connectiin its just sex witb a variety of partners.


Does this come under the poly banner?
 
Hi pastehead,

There are a few possiblee ways to answer your question and to help you come to understand yourself and your partner more as you navigate these new waters in your relationship.

Firstly, if your partner and you are new to non monogamy, I would recommend looking at this article, or finding the book "opening up" by Tristan Taornimo. They both show you what all the different forms of non monogamy. There's more than polyamory on the table to offer.

Even if it's not polyamory now, it's also possible that emotions may develop later, in which case it would be more akin to polyamory.

In the end, it's a spectrum of gray. The label doesn't matter. As long as what you do works for all parties involved.

Good luck!
 
Hi all,

Another update. After long discusion we came to an agreement and put some ground rules in place the major one being - tell me when you have arranged a meeting.

The new problem is i lost my temper after finding out my partner met a man in a dress that just covers her bum for lunch i use that term losely. I would have been fine with it had i of known about the meeting but she decided to not tell me. Now she feels like leaving me and our child. I love her more than i ever felt possible. What to do? Did i over react ? Its just that she could tell me that hurts so deep.
 
Wait; did you two make this agreement about disclosing any meeting before or AFTER, she met this guy.

If you make the agreement before, and she met this man anyway without telling you, you have every right to be mad; she broke an agreement.
 
The agreements had be arranged prior to the meeting on tuesday. My partner has met him along time ago through table tennis club, but nothing had happened as far as im aware between the two of them untill we discussed rules and boundaries.
It has taken alot for me to get to this stage and now i have no trust in the relationship.
 
I think you have to decide at this point whether you are going to forgive and move forward with the relationship, or split up with your partner or temporarily split. Your partner has hurt your feelings and you have to decide what to do about that.
 
Hi Pastehead,

You said in your opening post that your partner had an affair. Recovering from an affair takes time to rebuild trust. Polyamory needs an insane amount of trust to work. Would you and your partner consider pausing polyamory for a while in order to rebuild the foundations of trust in your relationship?
 
Hi all,

Another update. After long discusion we came to an agreement and put some ground rules in place the major one being - tell me when you have arranged a meeting.

The new problem is i lost my temper after finding out my partner met a man in a dress that just covers her bum for lunch i use that term losely. I would have been fine with it had i of known about the meeting but she decided to not tell me. Now she feels like leaving me and our child. I love her more than i ever felt possible. What to do? Did i over react ? Its just that she could tell me that hurts so deep.

Let me get this right. She has an affair, you find out, she wants an open marriage, you try to come to terms with the idea, she wants another man, you try to come to terms with the idea, she goes ahead and meets him/someone, you get angry, she wants to leave you?

If it is like this, she is doing you a favor, even though I won't pretend that it won't suck royally for a while. Throughout, there is no consideration for your feelings. Cheating is not polyamory. Cheating again after getting caught is not polyamory. Not having regard for your feelings is not polyamory.

Let me put it like this. Polyamory is about multiple loves. Presumably you are one of them. Are you feeling loved? Nope? Not polyamory.

Checkpoints:
  • How long did she have an affair?
  • How did you find out about it?
  • Did she apologize?
  • Did she give you a choice in opening the marriage?
  • What happens if you don't want to open the marriage?

This isn't looking good for you right now. I would recommend planning for a graceful separation.
 
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