how do I tell my partner I'm poly?

hatchya

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I've recently come to terms that I'm (probably) polyamorous. I'm in a committed monogamous relationship going on 5 years now, and I have two current problems:

1. I don't know how I should tell my partner, or if I even should tell my partner about how I feel. We've talked about polyamory in the hypothetical and he has positive-to-neutral feelings about it. But it was all hypothetical. I'm terrified of actually admitting I am poly to him. I don't want an open relationship, or to have flings and casual relationships, I want to have a committed long term relationship that just happens to have more than two people. The feelings I have for others outside of my monogamous rel are based on long-term friendships, they're romantic, sexual feelings, and fantasies about having a future with the person. It's the exact same way I feel about my current partner just applied to a few other people throughout my life, simultaneously.


2. I love my best friend (who is single), and I don't know how to deal with my feelings for him. This factors strongly into my fear of telling my partner that I'm poly at all because I'm afraid my partner will see him as a concrete, in the now threat. Whereas if I tell him I'm poly just on it's own, it might more digestible for him without a concrete "I'm interested in this specific person already" added on.

Any advice? Links to relevant threads or articles? Personal experiences? I'm feeling really lost and alone in this and i just found this website.
 
Hi Hatchya,

Firstly welcome to the forums. We're brought up with a lifetime of examples of monogamy. Despite identifying with polyamory intellectually, polyamory can still be difficult to do emotionally.

I interpret your question as "what are the range of responses my partner and my relationship may go through if I disclose my wish to pursue polyamory with my best (male) friend, given I would wish to enter it with the intention of a lifelong relationship with him, similar to that which I am offering my current partner?"

In a nutshell, it probably depends a lot on what you and your partner are like. Having said that, my understanding is that the majority of couples in a previously monogamous long term relationship who enter polyamory with a third person, end up terminating one or both of those relationships.

Of all the forum members who post here, I know of only one who has transitioned from monogamy to polyamory without ending any of the original relationships, with the obvious bias that this is a forum that will attract troubled relationships. Having said that, many forum members here state they feel happier now with their lives and enjoy a richer relationship than they did in monogamy.

Factors that I think favour a smooth transition to polyamory for you and your current partner include having had a long time to ponder the implications of polyamory now. Also, you state you are both probably poly-friendly to the idea. Factors that I think you and your partner will find challenging include the possibility that your partner may feel you are changing your relationship rules for your love of a third party whom you have picked out in advance, rather than out of love for your partner or for your relationship. The thinking is potentially skewy, but that's a fairly common monogamous way to view a partner when they wish to introduce a specific third person into a previously closed relationship.

The word "affair" may come up in some of the links below. I would define affair (in a monogamous relationship) to be any emotional or sexual intimacy that violates a partner's trust. In that sense, your partner may (or may not) consider what you already feel or do around your male friend to be an emotional affair. If your partner is okay with the interactions you have with others, then it doesn't violate trust and wouldn't be considered an affair. Just my thoughts.

Most of the forum members here are years down their poly journey, and most seem happy with their life. I won't give examples, since you will find plenty in the blogs section. However, here are a few who regretted telling their partner they identified with polyamory (example 1, example 2). Here is one who regretted their partner expressing a wish for polyamory (example 3: look at first post of first thread and first post of last thread). Here are a few examples of others who have entered polyamory with a particular third person in mind already. Most of these self-identify with the early stages having been an affair and these don't tend to work (example 4, example 5, example 6, example 7, lots of examples in this category). There are also a few that do seem to work, at least for a few months (example 8, example 9, example 10. I have to stress that examples 8, 9 and 10 are very exceptional examples that I searched deliberately for on the internet. I suspect many counsellors have never seen an affair in monogamy transition healthily into polyamory, and since all 3 examples are less than 1 year old, maybe the counsellors are correct though I secretly root for them to work and prove the statistics wrong). Here's a clever girl who had feelings, disclosed it to her husband then let her husband control the pace of their romantic relationship for a year until he started getting more comfortable with the idea (example 11).

In the world of consensual non monogamy, I feel that polyamory and 'relationship anarchy' offer the individuals the freedom to experience unlimited emotional or sexual connection with whomever they choose. Other forms of consensual non monogamy like swinging, along with BDSM/kink group play, offer sexual connection but may have rules that limit the emotional connection outside of play sessions. I feel that a transition from monogamy straight to polyamory may be more challenging than opening monogamy to a form of non monogamy that allows one to impose limits on emotional connection. However, we're on a polyamory board so many people here will likely dispute my assertion, so I will add that limiting emotional connection can be seen as both unethical and difficult, but I stand fast in my main point in that opening a previously monogamous relationship straight to polyamory can be very difficult for the original monogamous relationship.

Your final decision to choose to open your relationship should be a decision you and your partner decide together. Doing so with a third person already on the table can jeopardize the negotiation. The book "opening up" by Tristan Taormino is often recommended but is not one I've personally read. The book "more than two" is, I feel, quite idealistic and sets a tone for polynormativity that others who practice polyamory with rules have sometimes found alienating, as do some with personality disorders, non secure love attachment styles and I would add that I, as a previously monogamous person, felt like I was failing in polyamory when I failed to do what the book suggested I should be doing. Having said that, morethantwo.com is one of my favourite go-to resources for polyamory because it shows me how beautiful polyamory can be, 10 years down the track - just not for me at the moment.

In summary, I can see that you identify the problems of opening up as requesting a change in rules of your monogamous relationship and you are uncertain as to the potential fallout of that. Furthermore, you worry that your existing interest in your male friend may make opening up more difficult. I think you've thought it through really well and I'm not sure I have any clear suggestions for you Hatchya. I feel an honest discussion of your feelings is the basis for any strong relationship, but there are others who have lived happily and taken secrets that they feel would have wrecked their relationship to the grave with them. Some people open up their relationship only to regret it, while others recognise that opening up destroyed their old relationships (sometimes destroying both initial relationships on entering poly) but feel happier with their new relationships further down in life. Very few couples seem to transition successfully from monogamy to polyamory after having already picked a third person. A less strenuous transition from monogamy to non monogamy may be to consider alternate forms of non monogamy as a stepping stone to polyamory, though I suspect the downside of this may be heartache and the potentially unethical use of couple privilege to veto a relationship to dust if feelings do develop for a swinging partner or for a casual friends with benefits.

In the end, no real advice, just some thoughts of mine. Hope they help.

EDIT: One more, example 12: here's a monogamous relationship that dipped their toes in poly because the wife fell hard for a third person. It didn't work, they backed out with (what I presume the poster means as) no contact. Then settled into monogamy with their husband and talked about it for 4 years, then tried poly again with someone else. It was too much for hubby (presumably due to poly fatigue, which I interpret as being too much processing and too much trying to handle insecurity/jealousy/scheduling) and so hubby left. And just so it doesn't all sound negative, have a look at some of the blogs that update regularly. Many happy people in poly too, just not many with their original relationship.
 
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I think you are better off not mentioning your feelings for a specific person. I am assuming you have not acted on these feelings. Your best bet is to bring it up again as something you'd like to try. Take your time talking through it. This is not the sort of thing where you just say you are polyamorous and then jump right into things.

Before you bring it up you need to work out a few things. What if he says no? What if he decides to give it a shot, then says no later? How will you handle it if he feels a trust has been broken by merely wanting to open your relationship?The one positive thing is you didn't get a "hell no" when you've brought it up before. That could be a good sign.
 
hatchya,

I am "example 9" in Shaya's previous post - my wife and I had been in a mono marriage for a number of years when she happened to reconnect with an old college bf (just text and phone at that time as he lives a few hours away) - in a sense, it may have even become an "emotional affair" as Shaya has pointed out. And it was at this point - about 6 months ago now that she approached me about opening up our marriage so she could further explore her feelings about him. Ultimately, I agreed and they spent their first night together in mid January. My wife, Becky, did a number of things very right in approaching me about opening up our relationship - even though she has not actually "studied" poly. Which was interesting, since much of what she did right is what one often sees recommended on the poly forums and in the literature.

I posted this earlier for someone else but will repeat it in the event that you might find any of these concepts helpful in considering your best approach.

1. Made sure that I understood that it was not about me - no matter how much it might seem that way. There was nothing wrong with me and I had not failed in any way. This was about her feelings and not a reflection on me.
2. Made sure I understood that it wasn't because she didn't love me as much as she ever had - but she believed it was possible to love more than one man at the same time without diminishing the love for either (the classic poly argument is to consider that a parent can love multiple children at the same time and still love any others than come along as well).
3. Made certain to emphasize that her relationship with Ben (her bf) would be "in addition to" - and not a replacement for - our marital relationship. And that our relationship would still be "primary" (after all we were married with a child in a home - with a mortgage, etc) - and that we could negotiate what exactly that would look like. I found the phrase "in addition to" to be particularly helpful in helping me come to terms with her desire to have a second relationship.
4. She was very patient - and did not try to push it along too quickly. We could take it one step at a time, and she agreed not to have sex until I felt I could accept the idea. And although she did want to include sex in their relationship eventually as a natural progression, for her it was much more about her feelings and her emotional involvement.
5. She was willing to talk about it as much as I needed to - no matter how long it took or how often - and to answer any questions that I might have - without any apparent frustration. She understood the need for me to process the situation. And she was very patient and understanding of my frustration and emotional turmoil at her request - very validating while still upholding her belief.
6. She went out of her way to reassure me of the depth of our relationship during this time - avoiding arguments, being especially loving and affectionate as well very open and honest about here thoughts and desires.
7. She agreed that being completely honest and transparent was absolutely essential - to whatever degree that I felt I needed that to be ok.
8. Made sure that I understood that I could also have another partner if and when I was ready.

And, I already understood from life experience that it is very possible to love more than one person at a time (acting on that is the issue) - and that one person cannot supply all of another's needs. These points may need to be discussed as well.

There is probably more that I could write about with a little thought - but Becky really did do a great job in asking me to open our marriage to poly. Hopefully some of this may be helpful to you as you discuss things with your partner.

For us, breaking up our marriage and family was never an option - even if I had refused (although there would have been a lot of tension for a good while).

My full story is in the signature link below.

Best of luck on your poly journey!

Al
 
I agree that fully disclosing that not only are you interested in poly, BUT it is more than "just sex" or something that interests you, AND you have a prospect in mind in the person of your best friend... That is likely to cause problems. But not fully disclosing these things is also likely to cause problems depending on the personality of your partner. My ex (who is maybe the most monogamous minded person I've ever known) would take it as one level of betrayal for his partner to have these thoughts and feelings, but a whole bigger, worse level if they weren't confessed to him right away.

It is worth saying that this is not some kind of arbitrary indicator of right and wrong, more a reflection of his personality. In being able to say, "You had feelings for someone, for ten days, and didn't tell me!" he could feel more righteous and victimized when it all inevitably went nuclear. My ex also has a hate and a rage for what he perceives to be dishonesty in any shape or for any reason. I, on the other hand, am far more likely to ask, "why did you feel the need to lie?" than to be angry at the fact that someone did.

Only you know what sort of a person your partner is.

And the logical question is... Should you choose to tell him you want to be poly, any sensible person is going to ask, probably fairly soon, "Did you have someone in mind?" At which point, what will you do, lie?

The way I see it is, you either have to be prepared to shove all of these feelings down and keep doing monogamy as promised, or you need to be ready to fully disclose, even knowing that your relationship might end because of it. Diplomatic half-measures to try and maneuver to a "have cake, eating it too" place are...well...manipulative, and probably doomed to fail.

The other concern is, he might have been ok with the idea of poly when you brought it up, thinking of it more like swinging or "sex only, no feelings" or he might have been thinking of hot threesomes with other women. I don't know how far your conversation went, but just because he didn't recoil in horror, doesn't necessarily mean that your odds of his acceptance of this are great.
 
Good news and bad news.

First the good news. You don't appear to have done anything on any front which leaves your options open to choose what is most likely to work.

I've recently come to terms that I'm (probably) polyamorous. I'm in a committed monogamous relationship going on 5 years now, and I have two current problems:

1. I don't know how I should tell my partner, or if I even should tell my partner about how I feel. We've talked about polyamory in the hypothetical and he has positive-to-neutral feelings about it. But it was all hypothetical. I'm terrified of actually admitting I am poly to him. I don't want an open relationship, or to have flings and casual relationships, I want to have a committed long term relationship that just happens to have more than two people. The feelings I have for others outside of my monogamous rel are based on long-term friendships, they're romantic, sexual feelings, and fantasies about having a future with the person. It's the exact same way I feel about my current partner just applied to a few other people throughout my life, simultaneously.

I'd recommend discussing the nature of love as a philosophical discussion with your trusted partner. The nature of love, feelings and social constructs not actually being able to fence feelings. How they are handled in various ways ranging from celibacy to ethical monogamy to affairs and polyamory.

Discuss monogamy as a social default born of a need for guarantees that aren't real (divorce rates at all time high). See where she stands on all that. Discuss possibility of both of you, as a couple making an ethical choice to recognize polyamory as a natural state of feelings and dealing with them - that would be poly-friendly - you aren't home yet.

Let your wife take at least one step on own initiative (whether bringing in supportive perspective, idea or action) before suggesting that both of you accept polyamory as an ethical choice for your marriage.

Now for the bad news.

2. I love my best friend (who is single), and I don't know how to deal with my feelings for him. This factors strongly into my fear of telling my partner that I'm poly at all because I'm afraid my partner will see him as a concrete, in the now threat. Whereas if I tell him I'm poly just on it's own, it might more digestible for him without a concrete "I'm interested in this specific person already" added on.

Forget it. At least for now. If your wife sounds ideologically agreeable, you can speak of feeling love of various kinds for various people - of which one can be this person. Apart from that, till you have an explicit agreement to open your marriage, I'd say bringing this person up enough to raise her antenna (and she's your WIFE) is just asking for trouble.
 
Poster is with a male partner, according to pronouns, not a female wife.
 
Few things.

1: Back before I knew I was poly things ended up going to hell when I got caught between three exes (loooong story). You're right to have concerns. Being unprepared and not having a plan can lead to unpleasant results. As can turning a blind eye to such things. The route of all the problems is fear. Mainly fear of the unknown. Mono is that "Known thing" for many people. As such this can result in people not wanting to be told they're wrong. Instead of going "right/wrong" try to go "This is my right". As in "What's right for me." But also keep in mind why any subject that is brought up in this way affects others. if I view a subject as more harmful or beneficial then I'm perfectly capable of changing my mind. Which is not even a choice in some cases when presented with another persons logic and reasoning.

2: Why are you poly? Ask YOURSELF this. Not us, you. The reason you already provided, though. This friend you speak of. But there's more to it then "just because feelings". Does he matter? Does he care? Do you care? How much care is there? Etc. Personally I believe restricting people is "playing favourites" (eg: I care more for this person I'm doing this only thing with) but that's just me. Doesn't matter if it's sex or roleplay or whatever. Draw your own conclusions. Likewise if there's some degree of distance (with either party) trust that they have reasons for it. Probably fear. Perhaps even the fear of being in the way/dragging you down. Excuses may or may not be made to disguise that. Easier to hate then to admit it at times.

3: The unknown is scary. Your husband may fear the worst of things. Even if he trusts you he might not trust himself. You must be prepared to (possibly) lose him in the relationship sense. Keep in mind that if that happens it does not mean he's stopped caring. If anything probably because he does. My exes had a tough time accepting it from me. Actually, understatement. Years of hate everywhere. Eventually things ended up on the best of terms somehow. I think they even got on for my sake too. I never gave up on any of them. Regardless of how bad things got. No matter how much they hated each other or me. And things got really bad. Then one day they're being supportive of each other and I cry tears of joy for the only time in my life. Doubt anything nearly as bad will happen with you, but hey, you never know with these things. Either way it can always end good. As long as you never lose hope (I know, it sounds corny). Like everything in love though there's no guarantees.

4: The other side of the fence. It can be difficult to explain it all. What it boils down too though is this. What's YOUR side of the fence? You're going to need to explain things to him after all so this needs thinking on more then anything. And now it's his side of the fence.

5: It's not about being selfish or selfless. I enjoy games. They can take away my time from others. But I also spend time with others. Perhaps even less so then games. I feel like spending my time with one or the other. It can't be forced and just removing games won't make me feel inclined to spend time with whoever had a problem with it. Same logic works with people. Who of course might have their own things and other people that make them happy. It's one thing to "get caught up" and quite another to neglect. I can't make others be around me and I won't make them promise too either. They need to be around in their own time unasked for for me to know that they care. Often this means less time. I don't regret it.

6: Are you making the effort for each other? Not the "time" (that is obviously important too) but the effort. Do you think about things that might matter to your husband and friend, regardless of your personal opinion on the subject? The more you keep someone else in mind the more they'll keep me in mind, I find. Doing this little exercise might help you to explain how you can better provide your viewpoint on things as well. Can easily be practised with lesser known company too. Provided they can keep your viewpoint on things in mind as well.

6: This friend of yours may also struggle to understand. Expect to explain things twice. I'd talk 1 on 1 with each and then group talk, if that's needed.

7: Consider selfess reasons for being poly. eg: My exes got hurt or worse therefor being open and honest on the matter to avoid hurting anyone should I happen to develop feelings for another down the line. Being poly doesn't just mean "Who I'm already with/have feelings for". It also means "The possibility for things to happen down the line." Having lost my marbles once when people dealt in absolutes I now need all possibilities present and accounted for. Because no matter what anyone believes things can and will change in seemingly impossible ways. For better and for worse alike. And the last thing I want to do is hurt another when I thought I "knew better" in the past. This is also why I never make promises too. I'll say I can try but like I said earlier, no guarantees.

8: Most importantly... be honest with yourself. Because if you can't be honest with yourself you can't be honest with those you care for. This includes the bad things as well as the good. There can be painful reasons to be in such a position.

9: There may be some degree of hostility due to fear and not understanding. To this all I can say is try to be patient and understanding and try to be on point with your points. Take the neutral standpoint. Even be prepared for hostility (again, fear). Doesn't mean "I agree with you". Just means "I see how you view things even if I see things differently".

10: Perhaps your saving grace. Mono doesn't translate to being "greedy". It means "One's enough for me." I'm happy that others can be happy with other things and people. I trust that I won't be neglected just because other things and people are there. When someone cares they are around and at least make the most of the time, even if that time may be short. Some can get by with less time, others need more. Replace "time" with any other topic. It's "The thing that matters to another". Might matter to others too, so be mindful of that.

Hopefully that gives you something to go on.

edit: Shit, nearly forgot the most important one of all. Don't "make it a choice" and don't let others make you choose. If you give even an inch of ground in this regard it may lead to being with someone for the wrong reasons. Reasons like "Because you feel bad for them." Accepting the bad and even the worst of someone is great, but not if the reason is "Because their happiness matters more then mine." No joke, that kind of thing can lead to self harm and suicide, if not insanity. Both of the self and of others. In the end it's about your happiness as much as anyone elses. Don't need to put yourself "first" (I don't even play favourites with myself apparently), but even it damn sure matters as much. Even if it might not seem like it at times. And if it turns out it doesn't matter (As it seemed not too with me at one point) at least you can plod on and look ahead until that's the case.
 
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Of all the forum members who post here, I know of only one who has transitioned from monogamy to polyamory without ending any of the original relationships, with the obvious bias that this is a forum that will attract troubled relationships. Having said that, many forum members here state they feel happier now with their lives and enjoy a richer relationship than they did in monogamy.

I absolutely meet this qualification, and my original marriage is as strong, if not stronger, than it was when I was monogamous. My journal link is in my signature.
 
I am sorry you struggle.

I'm terrified of actually admitting I am poly to him

Presumably, your partner is your nearest and dearest and they want to know authentic you, all of you.

If you don't feel safe sharing all of you with this partner... why is that? :confused:

  • Does it lie with you -- discomfort talking about vulnerable things?
  • Does it lie with partner -- not a good listener? Doesn't make safe space for you to share in? Something else?

Both have solutions. If the first? More practice leads to less discomfort/more confidence. So lean INTO it, rather than away from it.

If the second? Ask your partner to work on their listening skills.

Any advice? Links to relevant threads or articles? Personal experiences? I'm feeling really lost and alone in this and i just found this website.

Problem 1: Telling partner you are poly.

I told mine up front. This is how I am, this is the sort of things I feel, this is what I currently want. At the time I didn't know the word "polyamory" so I used words like "non-exclusive" and "loving more than one." I'd told previous dating partners this and they went running for the hills or tried to change my mind for me that their way is better. (They had a hard time hearing that their way IS better... for THEM. My way is best for me.)

Then BF now DH was the first one who was like "Oh. Ok. Thanks for sharing. I can live with that." I really enjoyed this with him. That I could tell him whatever, and he'd say "Oh, ok. Thanks for sharing. I can/cannot X." It was plain, simple, no drama. He listened to my stance on something, and just told me his stance. We moved on.

But to get to enjoy that kind of easy going dynamic? I have to be willing to do my side of the job. The telling. And he does his side. The listening. It works the other way too -- when he has things to tell and it is my turn to really listen. To me, it is part of forging a strong partnership.

I want him to know authentic me, all of me. I want to know authentic him, all of him. He wants the same things. So I encourage you to sort that out first. Talk to you partner and sort out problem 1.

Problem 2: Dealing with crush feelings on friend.

It's a crush. IME? Do nothing and it will pass. Over the years I've had a lot of crushes -- some that last a long while. Eventually though, with no action from me? They fizzle out.

I've learned to enjoy crush feelings without doing anything about it. Because feelings alone are not enough for a good relationship. It's not like I have to pounce and act on every feeling/attraction that comes along either.

Yesterday we saw a friend. I have a long time crush on him. In many ways I'm attracted to him. Physically, mentally. But not in other ways. He struggles with good self esteem because sometimes he makes less than self respecting choices. I'm not attracted to that part. So he's best as a friend in my life. And I don't mind enjoying crush feelings sometimes. But I don't act on my feelings trying to develop something more than friends because I want someone who is stronger in their own self and more emotionally resilient than my friend actually is.

Alternately, if this IS something you eventually want to pursue? You don't sound like you are able to at this time. You sound like you are in a Closed thing. So shelve it for now and sort out what needs sorting first. Then address this later on.

fear of telling my partner that I'm poly at all because I'm afraid my partner will see him as a concrete, in the now threat. Whereas if I tell him I'm poly just on it's own, it might more digestible for him without a concrete "I'm interested in this specific person already" added on.

You sound like you know how you want to approach it. So tell him and solve Problem 1 first without getting into Problem 2.

I think you could let your partners reaction or response be their side of the communication job. You could let their emotional management be their job too. You sound like you are trying to "pre-manage" partner's feelings for him so he won't blow up at you or something. Is your partner not able to do his side of the jobs himself?

Focus instead on what you need from partner in this conversation.

  • Are you asking for help and support digesting and understanding these new feelings / new knowledge about yourself?

  • Are you asking to change the relationship model you practice so you can go date this friend? (This part would be premature at this time because you haven't sorted out Problem 1 first. I grey it out.)

  • Something else?

You sound overwhelmed. It's ok to take it one thing at a time. It doesn't all have to be solved at once.

Get clear on what it is you want to talk about in this first conversation or first set of conversations. Then ask for a time to talk it out. You do your side of the communication job. And you expect partner to do their side.

Rest.

Then move on to the next conversation or conversations. You don't have to solve EVERYTHING in one marathon talking session. That's exhausting for everyone.

Galagirl
 
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