I want to understand

Paris+a

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Hi, I am posting this thread after crying for over a week. I am suffering, and I know that to forgive, I must understand.

That is true; I am a monogamist. How do I know it? I do not even know. I have the feeling that I cannot share LOVE. Every time I go through this idea in my head, I realize that I am not able to see my partner showing affection to others, and it is so hurtful for me to know he is willing to do it and even share me with other men (he even gets excited about it).

He identifies himself as a polyamorist. Did he tell me this fact before our relationship began? No, unfortunately, he did not. I had to face a new world very different from everything I had ever known. Of course, in the beginning, I did not take it seriously and hoped he would change. He had the same hopes about me: that I would understand and become a polyamorist for him.

After a few months, we both realized how we were trying to change each other, mostly indirectly and unconsciously. It was a hard night and a heartbreaking decision for me to break up. I told him I did not understand his desires, but I did not want to change him anymore. To me, there was nothing wrong with him. I wanted to leave because I could not fit into his lifestyle.

As a psychoanalyst, he believes so much in therapy. When he heard my decision, he agreed at first, but then he said he believes that he can change to a monogamist and asked me to give him time and be patient with him. That was everything I wanted to hear: he loves me so much that he is willing to change and be committed to me. You already know this is not going to be a happy ending!

I accepted. His therapy was going well; he sometimes told me he was progressing, but after all, he was still acting on his desires. He was putting me in different situations with other girls. For example, he once manipulated me into a threesome with a prostitute and gave me fake control over the whole situation. That experience hurt me so much that I had nightmares over and over again. I never wanted such an experience, and he always knew it. There were so many occasions that he acted on his desires; he was attracted to one of my friends and was getting physically close to some other friends. That is why my social life was getting more and more isolated; I did not want to risk my relationship, especially because he told me we should avoid tempting situations; otherwise, he might lose control.

Seeing him act like this and manipulate me led me into toxic jealousy. We were in a dangerous loop. He would traumatize me and then blame me for overreacting to those traumas. Me, being more and more insecure and jealous, made him feel stuck in this relationship. He was unhappy, and I realized that during our romantic holiday by the beach.

I tested him for the first time in our relationship, telling him if he missed flirting and watching girls so much, he could go and party alone that night. He did, and I also pretended that I was doing the same in another club. I asked him if we wanted to do this again and what his limitation was, and he told me "sex without condoms" is his limitation. I asked him if he would not mind me having sex with someone else tonight, and he said not if he was at the same level; otherwise, he would lose respect for me and my choice.

I broke up that night and moved out of that hotel. He did not try to stop me once; he walked away from me so easily. All that love and care were gone in a snap. He ignored me for days and finally wanted to meet to say goodbye. He said he has tried so hard to change, that sometimes, wishes he was not like this. He thinks I had good reasons for the breakup, so he did not fight to keep me. He hurt my feelings by telling me he always wanted me fitter and did not like my style and clothes (while I am famous for being stylish, and I always thought I had a beautiful body, and he was crazy about my big ass). You can guess that my confidence and self-worth are now at a minimum.

Being with a non-monogamist, I always felt that I was not enough for him. He admitted that I loved him more than he loved me. He cried, but he was happy to regain his freedom. I am still suffering, and I do not know if he really tried for me or not. I do not even know if a polyamorist can ever change his relationship orientation. I do not know how many of his actions and manipulations were because he was a polyamorist. And in the end, I do not know how to get better and stop torturing myself.
I thought having comments and hearing the opinions of people who understand his desires better than I do may help me. I need to hear it from someone. I do not know what to do or how to judge him. I miss him, and I want to text him, shouting at him for not fighting for me, but I know I should let go because I love him so much. I never thought there was something wrong with him, I just simply could not understand it.
 
It sounds like while your ex partner may have been polyamorous as an orientation, and that’s valid, he was ALSO an asshole and you don’t actually have to forgive that as it’s NOT an intrinsic part of the polyamory package.

Having multiple relationships or enjoying casual sex in addition to committed relationship(s) is not wrong. On the other hand, here are some things that are:
  • Coercing a partner into an unwanted sexual experience
  • Attempting to manipulate a partner by criticizing their looks and making them feel unworthy of you
  • Acting as though he wasn’t making choices about acting on his desires, as though he had no control over himself (if that was true, he should be locked up for public safety…)
  • Using therapy as a tool to continue to emotionally abuse you
  • Trying to have his cake and eat it too by staying in a relationship with you and pursuing nonmonogamy even though you had made it clear you were not interested - the ethical thing for him to do would have been to end your relationship first.
I could keep going, but you get the idea…
 
I'm so sorry this happened to you. You didn't deserve any of it. Your ex was using polyamory to gaslight and abuse you, and that's NOT OK. Polyamory is all about consent. It's about being ETHICAL with all of your partners. None of your story has that in it.

So, I'm not sure we can help you understand his desires, because the desires that hurt you are not inherent to polyamory. Ultimately, his actions are the problem, not his desires. Lots of people would LIKE to be with others, sexually, but they don't manipulate their partners. They definitely don't insult them. They don't pretend therapy will be able to change who they are for someone. None of this was OK.

I know it's too soon for you to accept this, but you will be in a better place without him. You really will.
 
I'm sorry you struggle.

There is NOTHING wrong with wanting monogamy.

After a few months, we both realized how we were trying to change each other, mostly indirectly and unconsciously. It was a hard night and a heartbreaking decision for me to break up. I told him I did not understand his desires, but I did not want to change him anymore. To me, there was nothing wrong with him. I wanted to leave because I could not fit into his lifestyle.

I think that is very fair. To accept that you two are different, want different things, and rather than bang heads on the wall or try to change each other, simply accept that this is not compatible. You want very different things.

Seeing him act like this and manipulate me led me into toxic jealousy. We were in a dangerous loop. He would traumatize me and then blame me for overreacting to those traumas. Me, being more and more insecure and jealous, made him feel stuck in this relationship. He was unhappy, and I realized that during our romantic holiday by the beach.

You are describing abuse.

I do not know how many of his actions and manipulations were because he was a polyamorist. And in the end, I do not know how to get better and stop torturing myself.

Healthy poly people do NOT go around abusing and manipulating their partners.

Consenting polyamory is respectful, not mean and hurtful.

And in the end, I do not know how to get better and stop torturing myself.

Well, you are reaching out here. So that's a step. You might consider counseling because the things you describe here go beyond internet forums. People might be able to help you with one or two things, but this is a big pile of things.

In case these links help
Remember that you deserve to be treated well.

That he failed to do so? That is not YOUR failing.

I don't abuse people so I cannot help you understand what his thinking is/was.

You might gain better insight reading this book online

"Why Does He Do That? Inside the Minds of Controlling Men"

I encourage you to give yourself time. You have experience BIG trauma here. Even in a regular break it takes time to heal. But something like this where there was ABUSE? That's even bigger.

I encourage you to continue to reach out -- maybe call the hotline or read the "get help" sections if that works or find similar website if you are in another country.


I encourage you to get a general doc check up and tell them what happened -- you broke up and left an abuser/need help leaving an abuser/need help staying gone. And that you need resources/referrals for therapists/abuse recovery support groups. And if you have been stressed/anxious/not sleeping well? Ask if medication is appropriate for your case while you are seeking and setting up all the things you need.

If you can't afford a therapist right now or there's long waist lists... you might have to think about doing the best you can in the meanwhile like finding websites, reading books, or consider online https://www.recoveryinternational.org/ meetings. Even check universities to see if there's free or sliding scale services being done by graduate students. They get credit for working in the field under supervision and the community gets extra support services even if they aren't "official counselors" yet.

I know a friend who goes to AA meetings for the group support part of it. Another friend attends a meditation group regularly.
It is not ALL of what they need, but til they can "turn on" all the parts they need they are doing the parts they CAN do right now.

Let me repeat this.

You have inherent worth, value, and dignity. You deserve to be treated well.

That he failed to do so? That is not your failure.

And his failure does NOT mean you don't deserve to be treated well. Because you DO deserve to be treated well.

HTH!
Galagirl
 
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I can only really second what has already been said. You have been extremely disrespected. Make a plan to escape. Don't do it in a moment of passion. Breakups with certain types can be dangerous. Not saying he's that type, but don't gamble.
 
Hello Paris+a,

While polyamory is a thing, and people do practice it, your recent ex should have gotten your consent before he started sharing himself with other people. He seems to be saying that he couldn't help himself, but I am not buying that. So while I support polyamory in principle, I do not support his false way of practicing it.

With regard to polyamory itself, there is a book you may want to read, it is called, "Sex at Dawn: how we mate, why we stray, and what it means for modern relationships," by Christopher Ryan and Cacilda Jethá. It may help you understand polyamory a little bit better.

I'm very sorry this has happened to you.
Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
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