I’m the second (?) experiencing what I think is jealousy and some other big feelings

Magoneth

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Hello! This is my first post here. I found this site while trying to find some resources on what I’m experiencing right now, but I prefer real lived perspectives over what anecdotal stuff says.

So, about a year ago, my friend, Tiana (36f) asked if I (24f) would be interested in sleeping with her husband, Steve (30m) who was/is one of my closest friends. So far, I’ve never been involved with polyamory, preferring casual FWB-type stuff, but am familiar with poly from my work in sex therapy (ironic, I know, but I often can’t see the forest for the trees.) Anyway, after consideration and an evaluation of their relationship and relationship rules and poly structure and general discussion, I agreed.

The first time Steve and I hooked up was quite lovely, with some expected stumbles and fumbles, since I was the first person he had been poly with. Tiana felt some jealousy, which she felt would be ameliorated by being a participant with us. I’m bisexual and also friends with her, so I was willing.

There was a bit of a misunderstanding, which led to a confrontation, that led to a period of less engagement between us. (I did this out of wanting them to put their relationship first, and work together to mend things without me as a contributing factor, but I was also very clear that the avenue of communication with regards to speaking to me about things was open.) Ultimately, it was later worked out in a manner I felt was a resolution. Steve and I made plans to meet up the next time I was out there. (This couple lives a state away, but my best friend, Chloe, lives out there, as well, so I often visit.)

We met up and hooked up. I checked back in with Tiana to see if she was feeling alright about things still. Steve and I ended up spending the rest of the day together, road-tripping to a national park we both wanted to see (again, with Tiana's permission, and what seemed like preference, since she said she wanted to spend the day with her boyfriend, Cameron.)

On the trip, Steve and I spoke very plainly about what had happened and expressed regret at the brief loss of closeness we experienced after our first dalliance. He shared some feelings that I had felt (missing him, enjoying the sex, and casual things as well, etc.) but I had not expressed such things, since I did not feel it was my place. Anyway, I’m back in my state and we have plans to meet up again the next time I'm out there.

Tiana recently shared with me that she has been feeling not particularly sexually attracted to Steve for a while, since before I was a potential partner, hence why she suggested opening things up in the first place. But since this could come as a threat to their immigration status, she has no intention of abandoning/breaking up with him. She asked if I would hold this information in confidence from him and advise her on the situation. I reluctantly agree to hold the information in confidence until she figured out how she wanted to tell him, but recused myself from offering advice, since I said I did not feel impartial enough to offer helpful insight, and I told her as much. I also said I felt bad keeping something that big from him.

Well, Tiana talked to Steve about it, but I’m not entirely sure where they ended up, and I don’t particularly feel as though that is my business. Of course, I worry for them. They are my friends of 4+ years. But she also told me in this confidence, that she feels a lot better broaching her feelings with him now that I am in his life as a support system outside of herself.

Steve has recently been seeing someone he met at their LARP group (Jade), and while it started as what seemed like a sugar momma thing (buying him dinner, snacks, clothes, etc.) it seems to be moving towards things being romantic. Jade (38) is lovely, although I don’t know what all she knows about me, since, again, I think his relationships that aren’t with me aren’t really my business.

I think the issue is this: my best friend Chloe recently explained to me that, based on how I talk about Steve, and experiences we’ve shared, it seems like I am in love with him. I agree with her assessment. I have been very emotionally detached from my previous sexual partners, but he is very close to me. We were good friends before Tiana suggested us hooking up. He currently says that I am his best friend. (I think it's odd he doesn’t list Tiana first, but again, not my relationship.) I know it sounds silly, but I don’t think I have ever been in love before, and so I wasn’t able to recognize it outside of: “It’s different from the others because we’re emotionally close, as well.”

This recent revelation, with regards to my feelings, came just before I found out that the three of them (Steve, Tiana and his tertiary partner, Jade) will be sharing a hotel room during some New Year's parties they’re going to soon. I felt very sad and defeated since, mentally, I’m drawing parallels with that situation to our threesome this past spring. I’m not sure, of course, whether or not anything is happening, and it’s really none of my business in the first place if it is, but these feelings are all very new to me. Especially since I've recently admitted to him (following much vulnerability on his part) that I was shocked to find him somehow behind a lot of the emotional walls I’ve put up in the past.

I told Steve that I've been working in personal therapy about my avoidant-attachment issues, just so he could have some perspective on why I act the way I do sometimes… And I have been. I feel like I’ve done him a disservice by somehow implying that his role is my life is less than what it is. It seems like just as soon as I'd gotten clarity on my feelings, and wanted to broach the topic of where we all want to end up, I’m now questioning my role and responsibility in things.

Any advice on where to proceed from here, or if I can elaborate on things for extra clarity, would be much appreciated. I've been working to find a poly-inclusive therapist outside of my personal therapist, but I live kinda rural, and many of the telehealth therapists are booked…

Tl;dr I’m feeling what I think is jealousy as a second in a poly relationship, after realizing the scope of my feelings, and am unsure what the intelligent, appropriate, and considerate course of action for all parties from here on out is.
 
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What are their relationship rules and agreements? It seems like the wife has a lot of control over his other relationships, which isn't how all poly people do it, by any means.

I think the line between you being her friend and his partner is causing some really big issues. There is no way I'd feel comfortable keeping the type of secret you are from someone I'm in love with.

Overall, this doesn't seem like a healthy situation for you. It's not the type of poly situation many of us would sign up for after realising the restrictions in place.
 
You have a lot of characters in your story. It's a bit confusing. I am going to suggest some nicknames that would help the members here to get a clearer picture of what is going on.

You-- Magoneth
bf-- Steve
gf-- Tiana
Steve's tertiary-- Jade
Your best platonic friend--Chloe
Tiana's bf-- Cameron

I'll go back and plug the names in to your OP, but you can request different names, if you prefer.
 
There is a lot going on here, and it's going to take a while to break it down. Let's recap. Tell me if I have this right.

You're pretty young, 24, but are already working as a sex therapist? However, you've never been in love before (until now, maybe), so have not experienced the full range of what sex can be when you're actually in love with someone, and vice versa.

Steve and Tiana are in a long-term marriage/relationship and are older than you, with more life experience under their belts. They (or one of them) are immigrants. I don't know if they've ever been in love. Tiana confessed to you, but not to her actual husband, that she's not attracted to him sexually much, anymore, but they can't divorce because of the immigration issues, so she put you in place to take care of his sexual needs.

Meanwhile, Steve got another gf on his own, Jade, with whom he may or may not be having sex. (You should be aware of this, since your own sex health is at stake.)

You experienced unpleasantness a year ago when this relationship started, and asked for them to leave you alone until they sorted things out around jealousy. Tiana, despite not being sexually attracted to Steve, wanted to do sexual threesomes with you to relieve her jealousy. This may or may not have worked.

Meanwhile, she is dating Cameron. How long has that been going on?

Her marriage to Steve seems to have become a legal arrangement only. Perhaps they are friends. I don't understand why Tiana can't admit to Steve that she set you up to be Steve's sexual partner because she's no longer attracted to him. You are being used as a Band-Aid to keep their marriage together. Luckily though, you are all good friends and you're falling in love with Steve (or so you suspect). You aren't really aware of how love works, since you have been diagnosed as an attachment-avoidant person.

MEANWHILE! Your main current concern is your own jealousy or envy around Steve taking his wife Tiana and his other gf Jade to a fun New Year's hotel/party thing. It reminds you of your (one and only?) sexual threesome you had with this couple back in the spring.

First problem: You were wise to tell Tiana to leave you out of the secret about her not being attracted to Steve and only staying with him for legal immigration reasons. She was not wise to come to you for advice around this. That's between the two of them. It's nice you are an emotional support for Steve, and her (!), but since you're fucking Steve, you should not be advising them about their marital issues.

Next problem: you're envious about their getaway with Jade. Oh well. What can you do? The reality is, Steve has a wife and 2 gfs and needs to share his time between y'all. Sometimes you won't be involved, and that's okay. If you're envious, ask Steve to plan a nice hotel weekend with you next. And if you want another sex threesome with both of them, ask them if they'd want to do that.

Learn to speak up about your own needs and desires. Just because they've been together longer and are legally married (and older than you, maybe seeming like authority figures), doesn't mean your needs don't matter, and that you have to follow all their "rules" (whatever they may be). You deserve a say in how those "rules" affect you, and you can ask for the "rules" to be renegotiated in order for you to feel respected and safe and fulfilled.
 
There is a lot going on here, but boiled down it sounds like you are attempting to integrate the experience of your partner forming a new connection (a challenge for everyone new to poly) at a time when the terms of your relationship with your partner are unclear (a common challenge for secondary partners).

It sounds like you are struggling with feelings around what you are entitled to know, and to feel about your partner. The fundamental principles of being in relationship still apply to secondary partners. You are entitled to express how you feel, ask for what you want, set boundaries and have them respected, and to have clarity around the terms of your relationship. If you want to know who your partner is having sex with - ask. He may not want to share, or to share details, but either way you are entitled to clarity - so that you can decide whether what he is offering aligns with your own boundaries.

You are also entitled to set boundaries with your metamor - and while negotiating what those boundaries are is up to you, not being asked to keep secrets from your lover is a very reasonable boundary to set.

Good luck!
 
Hello Magoneth,

I can't tell whether you have confessed your feelings to Steve, maybe he doesn't realize that you are in love with him. Also I'm uncertain about the structure of his hierarchy. Is Jade really a tertiary partner to him, or does he consider her more like secondary, and sort of equal to you? He may not know what your expectations are. Maybe now's the time to have a heart-to-heart with him. Tell him you wish you could have been the one to go with him to the New Year's parties, and admit that you feel jealous. This may help him realize how strong your feelings are for him. Which may not fix the current situation, but might help in the future.

Regards,
Kevin T.
 
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