Into The Deep End

So it's date, or find a really time-consuming hobby. 'Cause I've decided I don't like being lonely.

Time-consuming hobbies are fun - also a way to get out an meet people with similar interests that you like spending time with. Just be careful to not go looking for a relationship, just because your lonely. Have fun dating for a good long while. Don't push yourself. I'm watching a friend go through something similar. Occasionally we have to reign him back in from grabbing the first needy person willing to show affection because he will ignore a great many red flags, like mental instability, just because he is lonely.
 
So... got some time to talk to an old friend tonight. Someone I worked with... feels like a lifetime ago, but I guess was really only... seven years? Only seen her once or twice since then as she moved away for work, but we try to keep in touch. It's been a while tho.

And in the process of catching up, I sort of outed myself. I figured, she's not in the area, she knows nobody involved, etc, etc... it would be a good way to 'practice', I guess. See how bad the reactions could be. And after I told her my girlfriend was married, the reaction was "What, she's getting divorced? Or is this one of those new-fangled 21st century open relationship thingies?"

The rest went pretty well. She's amazingly open-minded and accepting, while still believing it's not something she could do. So, kinda at the same space I was at. So... yay. Now there's two people I can talk to about this without fear of knee-jerk reactions. The other being my best friend since third grade, who isn't exactly accepting of the idea and thinks I'm going to just get hurt... but says it's obviously making me happy, so he's okay with it. But he promises to kick my ass the second it seems like it's causing me more trouble than it's worth.

So... yeah. I doubt I'll be telling my mother anytime soon, and I'm sure as hell not telling my dad... but it's good to know some people are more accepting other other people's differences.
 
Just a quick update via phone.

Sometimes, the solution to having schedule issues for date nights turns out to be really obvious when you realize you work somewhat close together. Lunch dates rock! Sure, there's less chance to get physical afterwards... Unless you want to run the risk of being busted for indecent exposure in what you thought was an unused parking lot... But we've gone from being able to see each other once or twice a week to one or two nights plus two or three days. And that, my friends, is just plain joy-causing.

Life is good, even when we momentarily forget that fact.
 
Good to hear that good news.
 
So... we'll start with the good stuff, then get to the conundrum of the day.

Last night may have been the best night ever. Nice Italian dinner, a quick round of nerd shopping, hit a bar we hadn't been to since it's renovation to see a band/show/thing which was pretty good... got very much reminded of how amazingly similar our minds are. All night, we were making the same jokes, the same references, even doing the same thing at the same time... have you ever had that thing where you think too fast, and your mouth can't keep up, and you get out half a sentence before just spitting out word salad and strange monosylabic noises? That happened. And she knew what I was saying, because she was thinking the same thing. Anyway, band is decent, but they move into the country segment of the show, and we're pondering finding something else to do... when I get a text message from STBX that our son was spending the night at a friend's house and it was safe to come back anytime, she was going to bed and leaving music on, just don't be too loud.

... y'know, for all our troubles, it's nice to know she understands sometimes. God knows I've had to put up with her boyfriend(?), but she easily could have not sent that message. We don't hate each other... we just don't work well together. And maybe occasional hate. Maybe. Occasional.

Anyway, I got off track. If there's any of this that sounds like male bragging, I apologize; occasionally, my inner 'evil frat boy' comes out to play. But we hadn't had any intimate time for almost two weeks. We... made up for lost time. Several times. It's been nearly two months, and NRE is still going strong. And this from two people who had, before any chance for a relationship had been established, admitted that they had low sex drives that occasionally caused problems. I'm pretty sure what happened last night should not be physically possible for me at my age. And then, best part of all... we got to sleep next to each other. Not for very long, just a couple hours, but... I never realized how much I'd miss that.

... also, there's a hell of an ego boost that comes with going from one partner who complains you're completely clueless, to another who afterwards has her eyes rolled back in her head and stammers out "Wow... you really know what you're doing..." Which may explain 'evil frat boy' me coming out in this post. I don't usually have an ego (at least, about the intimate arts). But the ego, it has been stroked.

Anyway, on to the conundrum of the day/week/whatever. We both had low sex drives before. It's part of why my marriage ended; I suspect it's a big part of why her marriage opened up. And now, we're like teenagers. And, given a joke about a shared link on Facebook (I'm not sure if being Facebook friends with my meta is a good idea or not, but what the hell), I get the feeling that the NRE is not spilling over so much into her marriage. Is there anything I should say or avoid saying in the event that Chill decides to talk to me about that? I mean, there's obviously a list of things I shouldn't say...

... but then, there's a chance he doesn't even really know. They're not don't-ask-don't-tell, but they also aren't sharing every little detail... so maybe I'm just being paranoid. I mean, he has girlfriends that he goes to for sex (among other things), he knows we're sleeping together... maybe the odds are pretty good he'll never come up to may and say, "Seriously, dude, three times in a night? Slow down, I can't live up to that."
 
Well no, I wouldn't worry about Chill having "a talk" with you about how (or how much) you conduct sex with his wife. Seems unlikely. And if he does, just answer the point-blank questions he asks and keep it succinct; no need to rhapsodize.

I think the whole (or a big chunk of the) point of polyamory is that no partner has to "live up to" whatever another partner does or "can do." Everyone brings something unique to the table and all that.
 
So. That was... a weekend. Rough one. But Friday's date kept me happy through all the crap, so it's all good.

So, long-time readers will remember this, but about a month ago, more or less, I had a bit of a nervous breakdown and nearly pooched this whole thing. Part of said breakdown involved my realization that... marriage, kids, retiring together, etc, etc, etc, wasn't an option in this relationship, whether I wanted them or not. Some of them I don't want. But I'd rather have the option there and decline them than have the decision pre-made for me, y'know? Anyway, that caused a bit of mental distress until I was able to work my head around it.

Over the weekend, we... as usual... texted to our hearts and minds content. As part of it, and in the name of open and honest communication, I told her I was pretty sure that if things were different, I could see us being married... but it's probably for the best they're not different, because I'd find some way to mess things up. And she said if things were different, she could see us being married too.

I've been happy and sad at the same time before, but not like that. It was... a great joy, and some sorrow, and some other things. It's been interesting to process.

I've also come to realize why I shouldn't be jealous of Chill. It's about the reason she's with us. She's told me she loves my mind, how I think, how we think alike, etc. She loves him because of the experiences they have in common, things they've done together and things that have happened to them both that they have bonded over. I can't provide that "Came from the same place" feeling he does, just like he can't provide the "We think so much alike" feeling I do.

The downside to all this thinking is... I've got that feeling again. I'm totally and completely in love, and for once I know -why- I'm in love... and yet, when we're not together, and I know it's because she's busy with the rest of her life... I start thinking about what it would be like to have someone else for those times. Which is impossible given the current state of things, but still... loneliness.
 
Not that this works for everyone, but...

If things between you and Light were to progress to the point where you wanted to be married, it's true that you wouldn't be able to have a legal marriage with all the associated paperwork. And it's true that you wouldn't be able to have a monogamous marriage with her.

However, if Chill was okay with it, you and Light could have a commitment ceremony. Possibly cohabitate. Maybe that isn't the same as having that piece of paper that says "Marriage Certificate," but it's the same level of commitment as a marriage, in my opinion, just not the same legality.

Some polycules do it that way, and it works for them. Just a thought.
 
At this point I think we were just acknowledging how strong this... Connection? Chemistry? Mutual lust?-- between us is. But I've read about those, and... I think it would be nice. Like everything else, it's something to be discussed at some point. But I think, right now, it would be a mistake to even discuss. I'm trying to remind myself this isn't a race. It's a nice walk in the park. Enjoy it, don't try to reach some goal that might not even exist.
 
So, I woke up thus morning in a depressive fit. Called in sick to work. Realized I usually only realize in depressed on the tail end of a fit. Re-read my texts from last night.

See, there had been a miscommunication where I thought she'd be coming over late and stayed up for her, as nd she thought she'd implied otherwise, and I was... Well, not an asshole about it, but curt and... Well, depressed. And this morning, she was depressed too. She also had the day off due to holiday.

So after apologizing and working out that we need to be a little more blunt and less coy sometimes, on both ends, I say " Well, in depressed. You're depressed. I could come over, be miserable together and shoot things." So I went over. I bring my best bad jokes, we play some games, I get her smiling. All is well with the world.

... And then the "we are happy now" endorphins kicked in...

Best use of a sick day ever.
 
Yeah, I definitely wasn't suggesting cohabitating/committing is something you should look at *now*... I was more pointing out that, *if and when* things progress emotionally and relationship-wise between you and Light to the point where marriage would make sense in a mono relationship, the fact that she's poly and has a husband isn't automatically a barrier to there being something akin to a "marriage" between you and her.

I'm glad you and she had a positive evening together :)
 
Eh. I'm still cynical enough to think it won't last that long. If I'm still posting here next year, I'll be shocked. I'll mess something up. Hearing some of the Polydrama going on right now makes me wonder about what my chances are. Still have jealous knee-jerk reactions to things. Gotta keep that in check.
 
Jealousy happens. In my experience, the best way to deal with it is acknowledge to yourself that you're feeling jealous, keep it to yourself, and wait it out. It's normal, and you feel how you feel.

As to the polydrama, keep in mind that a lot of people only post here when they're struggling, since that's one purpose of this forum. People are less likely to post when everything's going well.
 
No, the drama wasn't from here. Chill pulled a boneheaded move and I had to resist the urge to throw my two cents in. I took it as a sign that I still don't have a good poly mindset -- to me, what he did should have been met with a good stabbing, metaphorically speaking. I just... Don't get it, I guess. I'm still torn between being so in love I'd do anything, and knowing I'm so in love this is gonna hurt like hell when we stumble upon the line I can't cross.
 
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I find myself slightly confused between two choices. She needs to go to bed early tonight, and we haven't missed texting each other goodnight since forever. On the other hand, it's Thursday, her night with... we'll call him Other. I accidentally interrupted their night once already with a text, I don't want to do it again.

... the time she said she was going to bed is coming up. Do I expect her to text me when she's done with her date, and risk her being so tired she doesn't? Do I text her at the time she said she was going to bed and maybe interrupt things again? Do I wait and maybe wake her up?

Argh. I'm overthinking this, I know, I know... doesn't help that I'm still not comfortable with Other. Not the person himself, since I still haven't met him (And I'm well aware that may be a big part of it), but the concept of him. Something feels off. "Chill is my husband, you are my boyfriend, I've known that since we met, Other is... I'm not sure what Other is." The mono part of my brain is yelling "Then why is he there if you don't know???" The poly side knows he's more important to her than she lets on -- he's the only person she's shut her phone off for.

Just breathe, Billy. You're overthinking things, it's okay...
 
I know, I know, too many updates for one day.

I had a fit of "Dammit, if you had another girlfriend, you wouldn't care so much she was with Other." Nevermind that I don't have the time for it until the divorce is final, but... I went and made an OKC profile.

The very first match it threw at me was Light's bestie/roomie.

Who, while an attractive woman, is very much -not- a personality match. Also... there are so, so many reasons that would be a bad idea.

Profile has been disabled until I decide I should give it another shot.
 
It's your blog; you can post as many updates as you like.

And overthinking happens, but if it's causing you to spiral, it might be important to try to snap yourself out of those thoughts. Personally, I would say that even if you know Light's phone is shut off, text her good night if that's your habit. She won't answer, but at least you aren't sitting there agonizing about whether to text or not...
 
Re: Light's bestie/roomie ... what are these mysterious reasons why that would be a bad idea? Don't you think Light would approve?
 
Re: Light's bestie/roomie ... what are these mysterious reasons why that would be a bad idea? Don't you think Light would approve?

No, because I've met the woman, and the personality clash would be horrible. Decent friend, but I can't fathom trying a relationship with her. And I'm pretty sure I'm nothing like her type. I've seen two of her dates.

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So, Attempt At Something Vaguely Poly-ish #3.

I have, once more, attempted flirting with someone online. Annnd somehow convinced her to call a girl they got the phone number of at a party the night before, and they seem to be hitting it off really well. Iiiii.... think that's not exactly the result I was going for. But, hey, if they fall for each other, I can claim an assist on that one. And it was a funny conversation, so it's not like it was a waste of time talking to someone boring.

I'm starting to feel like I'm in a really strange romantic comedy.

Ah, well. Date night tomorrow night. A night of movies and more movies. And possibly not watching a single movie. We'll see. Especially since she dyed her hair last night... and god -DAMN- does it look smoking hot on her...
 
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"No, because I've met the woman, and the personality clash would be horrible."

Haha, surely OKC couldn't get its matching wrong? :)

OKC, OKC, make me a match,
Find me a find; catch me a catch ...
 
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