My Fears

GSAS082612

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So, as I have written in here previously, I have stated I am in a polyfidelitous triad with a female, Samantha, 21, married to my male partner, with a 2-year old daughter; she has a son on the way, is 30 weeks pregnant, due March 22, 2013; and a male, Glenn, 34, divorced from his ex of 9 years; shares 4 kids with his ex, ages 4-12.

I am 18 years old, not married, no kids. I should include my past history to further explain my relationship to a decent level of understanding.

Sam and I met when I was 14 and still in my freshman year of high school. She was in her senior year. She and I have had a very off-on friendship during the course of the past 3 years. I have always liked her, loved her. Sam got involved with Glenn a few months before she graduated, moved in with him, got pregnant and had their daughter Jocelynn a little before being together a year.

At that point, Glenn’s divorce papers with his wife were in the final stages, and they were engaged, prepping to wed. Their affairs, I know very little about. Glenn had made the mistake of sleeping with his ex-wife within the allotted year they were together at that point. After Sam had found out, which was on Father’s Day, the first one with the newborn daughter they shared, the light in Sam’s eyes dimmed. The love was tainted. She "forgave" him without meaning it, and moved on to resent him for what he did.

Their love was trashed. Sam did not seek revenge on Glenn at all within the pre-planning stages of their marriage. And she married Glenn 4 months after finding out about his cheating. The anger continued to build within her. She felt the need to get even. After being married less than 4 months, on Valentine’s Day this past year, Sam cheated on Glenn with a co-worker of theirs, and did not tell him of her infidelity at all. But she didn’t feel that did it justice. She cheated on Glenn again with her ex-boyfriend, Ricky, and continued to pursue a relationship with him, despite being married. She held hands with Ricky, they kissed, and planned a future together, despite the man she had at home.

Glenn found out and it essentially killed him. He never knew the woman he loved could mutilate his heart like that.

Now on to me. Sam and I were on very rocky terms before, and for a while after she got married, up until January of 2012. We started talking again after I went to help her pack for the new place she and Glenn were moving to.

Well, before all of this happened, I got involved with a man with a tricky past, Derek. He was 18 at the time with a 1 year old son, Christopher. 5 days after getting together with Derek, I made the mistake of cheating on him with my best guy friend, Nathan. This was planned. I knew exactly the cost of what would happen. We weren’t protected for half of the sex, and he then went to use protection.

Also, Sam and I essentially made out together in the apartment, on Valentine’s Day (yes, the day she cheated on Glenn with her co-worker, Tim). This apartment was still in Sam’s name for the rest of February. Things were very iffy between all of us. I was still involved with Derek too.

About 3 weeks after Derek and I had sex, I found out I was pregnant. I was 8 weeks along.

I wasn’t pregnant with Derek’s baby, but Nathan’s. I told Derek I was pregnant in early April, and said that I’d known for about a month. I was then 12 weeks pregnant. I was determined to keep the baby but tried to hide it from Derek, fearing he would leave me alone to raise the child. I was selfish and didn’t want that especially because the actual father, Nathan, A) didn’t know and B) was going into the Air Force.

I didn’t want to put that on Nathan. I didn’t think it would be a good idea at all to distract him like that. We talked and wrote letters while he was gone. I wrote a dozen letters telling him about the baby, about it being his, and apologizing, but I never could send them. I didn’t expect him to want to be there, nor did I think he would be involved.

I was dead set on the baby having Derek’s last name, Derek being Daddy, the end. But I slipped it to Sam when Derek was around that the baby’s father wouldn’t be around, which confused him. In June, I confessed it was Nathan’s. He knew Nathan and I had had sex, so it wasn’t news to him, but it then made sense to him. He'd never calculated the weeks really, up until then. He'd had his suspicions, but never admitted it.

In late June/early July, Derek and I were on the rocks and were given no choice but to tell Nathan. I told Nathan and he flipped. He lost his mind. He frankly didn’t want to believe it, not that I blame him.

I had at that point found out I was having a girl. I wanted to name her Scarlet Chelsea. 3 weeks later, I suffered a miscarriage.

That resulted in me moving in with Sam and Glenn. Derek and I were in the worst part of our relationship. He was physically, mentally and verbally abusive and controlling.

My feelings for Sam were never rushed or forced, but with how Derek was, he made it impossible to not want to have Sam. Although I never intended to cheat on Derek, I did, for them. There was a threesome that led to something else. And the next day they asked me to “marry" them. I was pretty much like “okay.” I mean, I wanted it, but didn’t trust it would last, especially because I didn’t have any feelings for Glenn besides that he was sexy and good in bed.

My love for Sam grew, and it has since. But she got jealous when she realized our love for one another was developing quicker than before. It wasn’t until a month after we had been in the poly-fi relationship, I had officially broken up with Derek, and made it clear that I wanted to stay with them, that Glenn told me he loved me. And I do. Being girls, it is a natural thing to have our emotions toy with us and get a very jealous, envious emotion when the man they love is with another woman without them.

My love for Sam was strained because she is pregnant, and she started showing more, which was hard to deal with, because I did love my daughter and wanted her. It wasn’t until late October that Glenn realized what the deep-rooted problem was. I just couldn’t take it. It felt like I was pushing myself. Sometimes I tried, but it was too much. I couldn’t handle it at points. It brought me to tears.

When I lost Scarlet, I didn’t know how to deal. I didn’t know how to talk about it. So, I turned to a recovering website, my major issues were hidden by small drinking binges, lashing out and cutting. And I am just barely starting to cope, which was why Glenn and I did agree to try for a baby.

I am not pregnant. We have stopped trying with the new issue. I just now have a new issue. The way I lost Scarlet is how I feel I could lose Glenn and Sam. With Sam’s mistake, it kills me to know our love could be at its end because of a mistake pre-me. We all had a talk last night and have tried to see what we can do. Glenn has said that he doesn’t want me to hurt, or be hurt, because he loves me. He is a very selfish man when it comes to us, but he isn’t selfish, if that makes sense. I don’t know. He loves and wants what is best for me but doesn’t want to lose me. And he knows that if he decides to stay this time, Sam and Glenn will need to work, will be skewed compared to my time with Glenn or Sam. We will need that individual time and couple time and triad time to grow, but with Glenn and Sam trying to work at their relationship to fix what they have will interrupt a lot of things and make it nearly impossible.

At this point, Glenn isn’t sure if he is staying or leaving. I told him I would stick by him. He wasn’t so sure of that, up until I texted him yesterday a heartfelt message: “Remember at one point, I was telling you everything you're telling me now-- "I’m sorry I'm such a mess," "I can't think," "I’m sorry you're getting the bad end of my emotions," "I don’t know how bad I’m going to be," "I don’t know if you can handle it," "You could change your mind, after all, you see," "This isn’t what you bargained for," "You deserve better" and you always said the one thing I didn’t trust, but now I do: "I love you." It’s my turn. No matter how badly you push me off, I will stand tall and be there for you. I’ll have my moments, like you did, but I know I’ll only rise up stronger, because you have shown me I am. And I can be that person for you. I’ll help you stand when you can't. I love you.”

I want to be there for them both, because they were there for me during the hardest parts of my life, Glenn especially, because he took more of the beatings of me and my problems, despite him not having to. I am not perfect, nor are they. But they did stand by me.

I don’t know. I am such a mess. I love them. I want to be with them. I am scared I am losing the loves of my life. I say I can be here. I want to. I want them to work, but I am nowhere near as strong as I pretend to be. I say I will be okay without them, but I am not so sure I will be.

I am scared. Do I voice how I feel or let them think I am strong? If they leave, what do I do then? I am not here just because I have nowhere else to go. I don’t have a backup plan. I am here because I intended for this to work and hope it will. But I am scared.

At this point, any advice would be helpful. Thanks.
 
*hug* You have been through a lot. I am sorry. I'm sorry for your loss too. Miscarriage is hard.

Tell them the truth. Do not tell lies of omission. Do not leave your partners in the dark. Do not be less than honest to your loved ones. If they do not meet your needs at this time, walk away. You deserve good treatment, not poor treatment.

All relationships come with a clock attached. We just hope that most are "til death do us part," whether it is friends, family, romances, etc. In reality, sometimes they end, or tone down in volume because of school or work transfers, or growing apart, or something else. It is not the end of the world. Some relationships pick back up later down the road.

Being afraid of that reality is not helping you be the best, healthiest self you could be. You could take better care of yourself.

In romance, there is no "right one" out there for you; there are many right ones. They don't all come at the right time, and they don't all last a lifetime. Life is a journey that unfolds as you live it. You will be okay on your journey.

Do not stay in messy relationships because you have nowhere else to go, and it is habit, and you are scared. You deny yourself your own future happiness from your own fear. Feel the fear, but then move it forward anyway to give yourself hope, and reach out toward your future happiness.

Is this "nowhere else to go at all" or "nowhere I am willing to go"? Where are your parents and extended family members? Could they aid you? Can you check into a women's shelter and sign up for counseling to help you get back on your feet? Could you call your old school guidance counselor for guidance toward resources in your town? Maybe other people can help you brainstorm here what you could do.

You are not the first person to need help, and you will not be the last. There is no shame in that. But it would be a shame if you did not take care of yourself. You don't sound like a bad person. But you seem to be struggling under heavy burdens.

Remember that you have worth, dignity, and value, even in hard times. Try to get yourself the aid you need so you can let yourself shine bright again. It may seem like you are lost and alone in the dark. It feels that way when your inner light is dim. But I see you. Your light is not unseen.
 
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I am not here because I have nowhere else to go. Even with my family having pushed me off, I could beg them to take me back. It's not that I don't have anywhere else to go, so I am staying. No. I am staying because I love them. I am here for them the way they were here for me.

They have a troubled past, as do I. Theirs is just a little more chronic than mine.

I understand what you mean, but I have had my moments where I have straight-up said "I am leaving," with no reason, with no logical reason besides I wanted to. I mean, I know what I am saying about them is bad. But realistically, they aren't bad people. They are good people. They took me in without intentions for this relationship when my parents kicked me out. They clothed me, sheltered me, comforted me, catered to me, and pretty much did things they did not have to. I am not justifying their wrongs, but no one is perfect. However, I am still terrified of losing them because I love them with every fiber of my being.
 
You are not going to lose them, even if you find you have outgrown the romance. You can all still be friends.

I have had my moments where I have straight-up said "I am leaving," with no reason, with no logical reason besides I wanted to.

Wanting to leave is a perfectly good reason to leave. Relationships come for a reason or a season. The relationships that have the season of a lifetime are rare. You are not bad to have reached the end of the season in a relationship. If the season is over for you (it sounds like it is), then be okay with it having run as long as it has.

Coming to terms with that can be hard. I remember my first big breakup with a significant BF. I was no longer getting my needs met, because my needs had changed. This did not make him a bad person. It did not make me a bad person. Time had just gone by, and things changed, and we had grown apart. What he wanted for himself in his life was not a match to what I wanted for myself in mine.

It would be like a traveling person trying to be with a homebody, or a pet lover trying to be with an allergic person who cannot deal with pets. It doesn't make the people bad to have things just not match up anymore, and for one of them to acknowledge that the season has ended.

I know what I am saying about them is bad, but they aren't bad people. They are good people. They took me in without intentions of this relationship, when my parents kicked me out. They clothed me, sheltered me, comforted me, catered to me... I am not justifying their wrongs, but no one is perfect.

Yes, that was kind of them. But that does not make you beholden to them forever. You can STILL BE THERE for them just as much as a good friend, or even a roomie.

How you share yourself as a lover, as a romantic partner, is another thing. You are not obligated to be someone's romantic partner just because they clothed, sheltered, or comforted you.
I am terrified of losing them because I love them with every fiber of my being.

I love my exes to this day. They are not lost to me. I'm not super tight with them like I once was, but I know I can ping them with big news if I need to, like the birth of my kid, or my dad's illness. But "A Love of your Life" can stay a love of your life without them being "The Current, Active Love(s) of My Life."

I did not die. My life went on. So did my exes' lives. The shape of the relationships changed, but they are not lost to me. You will not die if the relationship shape changes to friendship. Your people will not be lost to you.

From your posts, you sound tired of the arguing and fussing in the triad. You also sound like you would be willing to stay in romantic relationships with one or both of them if they could get their (cheating) issues under control. Are they getting that under control? It doesn't sound like it. :(

It is sad. You might wish for it to be different. But don't throw yourself and your well-being under the bus. It sounds like you've been here a good long while and have really given it your all. But you giving it 100% effort is only 1/3 of what a triad needs. You cannot carry the triad alone if your triad partners are not pulling their weight too.

  • You may wish for something different, but in reality is 33% is not 100% effort in a triad.
  • They may wish for something different, but the reality of their actions show otherwise. They cannot deliver the missing 33% (him) and missing 33% (her).

This is not the right relationship shape for this cast of players. Perhaps a friendship shape would work better.

Are you worried about your dating history, thinking you aren't a good partner, somehow, what with Nathan and Derek, and now Glenn and Sam? Could that be part of your hesitation to leave, even though you want to?

You are loveable even if the season for each of those relationships were limited. That doesn't mean you are unlovable. There were some bad judgement calls made there, but that's how we learn. Bad judgements lead to bad experiences. Learning from that leads to better judgement, which leads to better experiences. Forgive yourself for being a young adult. Part of the young adult late teens/early 20s time is to collect experiences to use for yardsticks in later life. Nobody is perfect. What matters is how you use your yardsticks to guide yourself in your life, moving forward.

You could welcome the opportunity to make brand-new choices for your adult self going forward then. You are not your past, and you are not your bad experiences. You deserve happiness! Reach out toward it! You have worth, dignity, and value! :)

How would you like your health to be today? Tomorrow? You could consider listing everything, every little thing great or small. Get the lay of the land in your inner landscape there for your best health picture:
  • Mental Health = I would like to be or have____? (Free of stress? Anxiety?)
  • Emotional Health = I would like to be or have____? (Free of worry about losing them? Breaking up scenes? Verbal arguments?)
  • Physical Health = I would like to be or have____? (Free of STD risks? Unplanned pregnancy risk? Better sleep?)
  • Spiritual Health = I would like to be or have____? (At peace in your soul? Feeling joy in living -- joie de vivre? Stable and not shaken up or lost inside?)

Identify what those things might be. Then set the list aside and rest. Later, you can look at your list and prune it down -- see what is reasonable, what is realistic. Then decide how to organize so you can get the aid to get these things for yourself. You are responsible for taking care of yourself.

If your parents will take you back as their adult child, back home as an adult roommate, contributing to the household, you could consider that and what it would entail, as you assess your options.

I'm not saying "just go home!" I am saying -- breathe. Put that as a heading on your list. Then look at the "pros & cons" of it, and consider what taking that option would entail. Like--
  • What were the reasons they kicked you out? Could that be mended? Or are you safer staying away, if your home life was volatile?
  • Do they live in a good environment where you could find good work? Or are they in a rural space and you'd be stuck for transport to a job?
  • Is the rent you would pay them affordable? Or would you be exchanging chores/work for your room and board instead? What would be expected of you? Can you deliver it? How would you be contributing as an adult member of the household?

Is your current job enough to live on? Do you need to apply for new work that pays better? Are you seeking continued adult education? Practical things like that.

You aren't be the first or last person on earth to need help. You will be okay. I have faith that you can choose good things for yourself in your young adult life. Have faith in yourself too. You can do this! :)

But you have to actually get around to choosing the things in your life for yourself. It won't come by magic. You have to actually reach out toward your next future happiness and meet it halfway.

Hang in there,
Galagirl
 
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Hi GSAS082612,

There is a lot of back-and-forth going on in the past, so I would suggest focusing on the present. How are you being treated by Glenn and Sam *right now?* Do they speak to you honestly and considerately? Are the conditions of living with them fair? Are the conditions of the relationship fair? Do they stick to their word? Do they honor you?

You can express thanks for someone helping you without binding yourself to a relationship that is making you unhappy. Overall, are you mostly happy in this relationship with Glenn and Sam, or is it making you mostly unhappy? Are Glenn and Sam happy with the way things are? Is their drama stressing you out?

I don't necessarily advocate leaving this relationship; it is a 50/50 call, and you have to make the call, as it is your life and welfare that's at stake. And additionally, you know better than anyone else what the situation is and what effect it's having on you. But I think GalaGirl has made excellent posts here, and I'd think about all she's said.

Make sure you take care of you, especially if Glenn and Sam are too caught up in their own drama to be of help to you. Are your wants and needs being addressed in this situation? These are things to think about.

If you decide to stay in the relationship, try to encourage all three of you to get better at communicating with each other, and at working together as a team. If things are intolerable right now, try to think of a reasonable time frame for enduring that, and tell Glenn and Sam you'll have to leave at the end of that time frame if things haven't improved.

Let the past be put in the past; forgive and forget. Focus on how things are going in the present, and on how they are likely to go in the future. Try to take a step out of your emotional self, and view the situation with logic as if you were an outsider. If you had a friend who was in your situation, and they asked you what to do, what would you tell them?

I hope things get better.
Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
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