My poly nightmare

Hela

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(TW: verbal abuse, manipulation, rape, suicide)

TL: DR
My poly journey began 5 years ago. My now ex-husband and I were in a cross relationship w/ another couple for most of the 3 years. I ended up spending those years getting stuck in the middle of dishonesty and emotional blackmail, constantly shifting rules and double standards, unfair judgement and gaslighting, and financial abuse. I couldn’t tell you why I put up with it for so long other than the fact that I wanted to believe the best and that they were the family that they constantly insisted that they were. I’ve always been one that is overly critical of myself; I would rather carry a greater load than get in anyone’s way. By the end, I found myself an entirely different person.


My husband and I were married just over a year when we decided to open our relationship. This was a bad idea from the start. My husband was extremely emotionally and verbally abusive. He had serious anger problems towards anything that slightly inconvenienced him. He projected his anger onto me and our home, screaming in my face, breaking things, and punching holes in walls several times a week. I come from a history of extreme child abuse and had a lot of issue dealing with confrontation. I've always been a peacekeeper and the one to make sure things stay afloat.

The conversation of poly came up after he confessed that he had been raped that particular weekend while I was out of town. I would later find out that was a lie*. I should have listened to my gut, but I was desperate for a greater support system.

A BREACH OF TRUST:

4 months after we started dating the couple (K and R), I discovered another lie being held by my husband and K. They had broken a rule of intimacy that we had all agreed upon when we started dating. It wasn’t the broken rule that upset me the most: I was fully open to reevaluating and changing things as we evolved. What upset me was finding out that K was sexually and emotionally blackmailing him into keeping the secret from me. He broke down to me shamefully late one night. When I confronted her about this issue, she claimed to know nothing of the rule.

It was inconsistencies like this that piled up over time. Once one of us was getting something that K wanted, new rules would arise to block us from this. Rules which would end up not applying to her in the long run. On trying to hold her accountable for this, arguments would unfold. I would be given a lecture informing me that I was the issue. "That's a you problem."
R would side with me on several occasions stating that he knew what she was doing, but it wouldnt take her long to sway him back to her side, or she would berate him until he shut down and refused to give any input.

THE EMPATH KNOWS ALL:

Because she was an “empath” she knew what I, as well as everyone else around her, was feeling better than they did. By the end of my communication attempt, I found myself confused and apologizing for causing trouble. At this point, the conversation would shift into her expressing interest in me. That she wanted more than friendship.

A GREAT TRAGEDY IN MY LIFE (TW: suicide):

On July 6, 2017, I received one of the worst phone calls of my life: one of my closest cousins had commit suicide during the night, hanging himself in his fathers front yard. He was barely 25. As soon as I received the news, I immediately went on autopilot, made phone calls, packed a bag, and drove 3 hours to my hometown to help my family.

The wake of my cousins suicide obviously brought on a whole mess of emotional response. I started falling into a deeper depression than what I was familiar with.

A couple of weeks later, on returning home after his memorial service, I walked into chaos and fighting. Apparently while I was gone for said service (about 12 hours), in my absence, K had attempted to set up a threesome with my husband and R. K had a habit of this: more than once she had attempted to pressure her partners into group sex even though they made it clear it was either something they weren’t interested in, or they just weren’t in the mood.

But, there was something different about this particular time: she paints herself as a “goddess” of love, compassion, and empathy. A womans woman, known as a queen of poly in my town, with her 3 husbands. And apparently, my sister and best friend...The toxicity of my situation was starting to become blatantly clear. She had held my struggle of trust against me for so long...

I did not react well. I felt insignificant and sorely unimportant. When I expressed this, her reaction was far from sympathetic. First claiming it was a joke, and then stating that she "WAS going to apologize. But that I “reacted too strongly”. So I could “just get over it."

ISOLATING AND FINDING TRUTH:

Over the next few weeks, I found myself falling deeply into a massive existential depression. My cousins suicide and the events that followed within both my family and the world left me in a state of perpetual despair. I held onto the last bit of hope and trust I had in K and went to her. I knew she would understand, because she had done so well with understanding my husband. However, her response was not one that I was expecting in the least. She claimed that I was existentially depressed because I had been mean to her. And I feel alone because my partners (also her partners) did not want to connect with someone who was mean to her. They love her, so if I want to not feel alone, I can't be mean to her.

I was baffled. I tried to explain, again, that it had nothing to do with them: it was existential…how on earth can you possibly make this about you?

“Well, we don’t HAVE to be friends. Deal with it on your own, then. I’m done.”

At this point, I isolated myself and started reading daily for hours. My subject of interest was mostly communication and how to handle difficult people. I wanted to learn how to communicate more effectively. I would end up educating myself in a much different way than I was expecting. I learned the tactics, bait and switch, blame shifting, gaslighting, etc. Everything started to become so clear. I noticed things I never noticed before. I knew Ks end goal, and now, watching her journey to get there made me sick. I stuck to observing for a few weeks…

A SECRET ENEMY:
After some time, my husband broke down again. I had noticed our family group chat had been pretty sparse. I had my suspicions of a separate group account, but didn't say anything. However, as I said, my husband broke. Late one night he had told me (and showed me) she had made a separate group chat: one with her entire polycule, plus a couple of others from her "harem"...not just to leave me out, though: the primary topic of the group was about my mental health. They made jokes about it. Made new rules I wasnt aware of. And she had diagnosed me as borderline as well as convincing the father of her children to restrict my contact with her children (I was unaware of this) as well as trying to convince my own husband to divorce me.

SHIT HITS THE FAN:
I was done. I confronted them about the group and everything hit the fan. I was with R this night, but ended up getting kicked out of her house. Within 10 minutes, she showed up at my house, storming in to scream in my face. I had no response. I sat on my couch in silence and let her scream. Eventually I told her to leave, but when she refused, my husband kicked her out. We took a few days to calm down before my husband and I called them over and broke things off. Neither of us were willing to deal with that level of drama anymore.

A NEW LIFE AND MORE REVELATIONS:
We spent the next couple of months moving and reconnecting. My husband opened up more about what happened during the relationship: K couldn’t stand being second to me and had a lot to say behind my back. She confessed that she “built her life so she wouldn’t have to do anything” and had been grooming my husband to leave me. There were a lot of crazy claims about me, as a person. She told him on several occasions that I wasn’t a good person and that he needed to leave. Amongst other ridiculous claims, like my compassion for animals (I am in vet school) being primarily because they can’t argue with me like humans can.

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MY POLY NIGHTMARE (cont)

(cont.)

My husband and I spent the next 6 months rebuilding our life in a new home. That was until I started noticing similar manipulation tactics from my husband that I had noticed with K. His treatment of the women he was seeing was horrendous. He tried to manipulate me on several occasions… until he brought up K again and his desire to rekindle a friendship. K had already been dragging me through the mud on social media, accusing me of several horrible crimes (like stabbing people and killing animals) that were far from true. She also made several posts alluding to the “long game”.

My husband knew of all of this but was still set on rekindling a friendship, despite the fact that he openly called her an abusive sociopath. Finally, after a long debate over it, I set my boundary:
“If you want to be friends with her, we cannot be together. I can’t control what you do, but I can control what is in my life. If you want that, you need to leave.” He said okay and walked away.

FOOLED THE WHOLE TIME:
*It wasn’t until a month later that I found out that he had lied about his “rape”. The girl he accused sent me their entire backlog of conversation and none of it matched what he claimed. Not only was their sexual encounter prenegotiated, he had openly manipulated me into believing that he was a victim while simultaneously communicating with her about trying to get she and I together for more “play”. He even apologized for his performance and insisted on a “rematch”. Remember: this was before we were poly. Not only had he lied to me, but he took his "rape" story to several friends as well as on stage, painting himself as a rape victim. I was horrified. Sick. I had fallen for his charade and fought by his side for 3 years only to find out that the whole thing was a fabrication. I couldn’t believe it. But there it was. 31 screenshots of truth.

He and I are now divorced and we no longer speak. My ex-husband is back with K and he gave her my collar, despite all of the terrible things he said about her. My life is now free from drama, though I am up to my neck in debt because of the way they took advantage of us financially. But I would much rather deal with that than get wrapped up in their drama on a daily basis.
 
He and I are now divorced and we no longer speak. My ex-husband is back with K and he gave her my collar, despite all of the terrible things he said about her. My life is now free from drama, though I am up to my neck in debt because of the way they took advantage of us financially. But I would much rather deal with that than get wrapped up in their drama on a daily basis.

Wow. :eek:

There are no words big enough... I am so sorry you had to go through all that! :(

I am glad that in the end, you are free of the drama and all that wacky stuff.

I am sorry that you have to deal with debt. But I think you are right. Better to deal with just that piece of it and be free of them. Than to deal in that piece of it AND still have both of them around doing wacky stuff.

I hope you feel better airing that out some and that you have a real life support system in place -- friends, family, counselor, etc.

I hope in time things get better for you.

hugs
Galagirl
 
Wow. :eek:

There are no words big enough... I am so sorry you had to go through all that! :(

I am glad that in the end, you are free of the drama and all that wacky stuff.

I am sorry that you have to deal with debt. But I think you are right. Better to deal with just that piece of it and be free of them. Than to deal in that piece of it AND still have both of them around doing wacky stuff.

I hope you feel better airing that out some and that you have a real life support system in place -- friends, family, counselor, etc.

I hope in time things get better for you.

hugs
Galagirl

I do feel better to a degree, but it seems no matter how much I air it out, I still have a mass amount of resentment. The level of K's manipulation is absolutely unbelievable and I want the people around them to know what they are really like.

Shes even gone as far as diagnosing R as autistic. This was a struggle while I was with him because it made him feel like garbage about himself...I tried to talk him around and build him up rather than dragging him down, which resulted in him projecting anger at me because he now believes he is disabled. That was an undermining FACT in their relationship that she held over his head in nearly every argument. It makes me sick.

And Im not the only female or couple she has done this to. I have considered contacting the female before me to get her side. She was painted as psychotic and unreasonable, just like I have been.
 
Shes even gone as far as diagnosing R as autistic. This was a struggle while I was with him because it made him feel like garbage about himself.

Y'know, a lot of people on the Spectrum are proud of their autism. It's considered a superpower by many. So there's that. Nobody can make anyone feel like garbage, it's all in how a person views himself. Lots of blame flinging here.
 
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Y'know, a lot of people on the Spectrum are proud of their autism. It's considered a superpower by many. So there's that. Nobody can make anyone feel like garbage, it's all in how a person views himself. Lots of blame flinging here.
What do you mean by "blame flinging"? Because Hes far from proudnot of it. She basically implyed he was stupid by her claims (I have a cousin and nephew that are both autistic and they are both incredibly intelligent). He is very ashamed and feels belittled because he was. This was the underlying fact that was brought up almost any time he had a differing opinion from her "well, since you're autistic, you cant understand." She undermined every feeling or opinion he had that differed from hers with this diagnosis.

My issue was 1.) It was a tool she used to quiet his opinions and maintain control and 2.) She has no place to diagnose him as anything. She isnt a professional. Much like she had no place diagnosing me as borderline.
 
Hi Hela,

I'm sorry you had to go through all that. And I wouldn't blame you if it made you feel like you didn't want poly anymore, although I hope you'll still be willing to give poly a chance. I'm amazed at the manipulative tactics of K, and I don't blame you for seeking validation of what you experienced, and wanting to warn others. You were right to separate from your (now ex-) husband when he insisted on still being involved with K. Now you must just try to heal from what you went through, as best you can. I hope we (on this forum) can help.

Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
I do feel better to a degree, but it seems no matter how much I air it out, I still have a mass amount of resentment. The level of K's manipulation is absolutely unbelievable and I want the people around them to know what they are really like.

Understandable. It will take time to heal from all that happened and all the resentment.

any time he had a differing opinion from her "well, since you're autistic, you cant understand." She undermined every feeling or opinion he had that differed from hers with this diagnosis.

Also understandable. You feel angry that she was verbally beating him up with that. And then he felt crap hearing it.

And Im not the only female or couple she has done this to. I have considered contacting the female before me to get her side. She was painted as psychotic and unreasonable, just like I have been.

While I can understand that? I'd suggest caution and being leery.

Because contacting that other lady would keep you in the wacky circle that you are trying to leave.

I can understand wanting to get validation -- like NO. You are not crazy. NO you are not the only one who got a raw deal. If it helps any, I believe you that horrible things were happening over there.

But this other lady? She might be working on her OWN healing and distancing from the wacky circle. She might NOT appreciate being contacted and rain her anger on you. Or she might be nutty like the rest of them, and you sound like you need to stay away from any new nutty.

Instead? I would encourage you to go to counseling. Surviving this level of manipulation, verbal abuse, head games, etc? And then trying to heal from it? It may take some time.

Again, I'm sorry you had to go thru it. I am very glad you are out.

And now that you are out? Don't go back in. Your ex or K might try to hoover you back in. Stay away and don't allow any new shenanigans. Even if they say you have three heads and a tail? Do nothing.

Don't go rushing back to "defend" yourself because that too would be keeping you in the wacky circle.

I encourage you to focus on your own well being and not whatever new wacky those people are doing.

“If you want to be friends with her, we cannot be together. I can’t control what you do, but I can control what is in my life. If you want that, you need to leave.”

Obey your own boundary -- control what you allow into your life. They just aren't allowed any more.

Galagirl
 
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. I couldn’t tell you why I put up with it for so long

Let's just zero in on this. Because the behavior is one we shouldn't put up with for a minute.

People with abusive childhoods feel warm and familiar when the other person is doing something abusive to them. I know this feeling, whooo boy.

By the end, I found myself an entirely different person.

The key insight would be knowing why you were attracted to and stayed with an abusive person.

The conversation of poly came up after he confessed that he had been raped that particular weekend while I was out of town.

That's not just a tall tale or whopper, honey. That is proof you took a lot of complete bull-dung from this fellow in order for him to have the confidence to expect you to believe this.

I know this by experience too, but the literature calls it the "evaluation phase" where the manipulator tries out various lies with you to observe your reaction. If it causes abhorrence, they will say "I was just kidding" or "playing devil's advocate" or something and make note of your disdain.

But if you freely accept being late to dinner was because he got kidnapped by aliens or he had to be the President of Zimbabwe for a few hours... then that is what you will get.

Yes, of course the manipulator tells you endlessly how they love you more than anyone on earth, no play or book has ever been written that captures the depth of the feeling...blah blah blah.

You watch with your lying eyes instead of listening to the purity of their honest words.

I'd be working on self-knowledge. I did a lot of reading. To see why I was always getting mixed up with people who had high ACE (adverse childhood experiences) scores.

You'll learn that the people you get mixed up with can spot you in a crowd. They're looking for you. Just a short verbal exchange with you and they'll know. The next step is to run you through that whole evaluation phase so they know which things work your emotions.

Not a polyamory issue.
 
Wow, I'm sorry you had to go through this.

You did extremely well getting out of it on your own. That's inner resources.

I second the advice to get a good therapist, as well as to continue reading and working on yourself. This is to prevent you from falling into the same traps (though maybe to a lesser degree). If therapy is unavailable, maybe a self-help group like AA could also help (I've been told they are not just for alcoholics).

I once went through intensive daily group psychotherapy lasting for a few weeks. It was after a difficult breakup, and at that time, I was slightly obsedant, and had some resentment like you describe. Going through the story again and again and getting other people's feedback helped a great deal, so if you can get some psych crisis intervention, please do so.
 
Y'know, a lot of people on the Spectrum are proud of their autism. It's considered a superpower by many. So there's that. Nobody can make anyone feel like garbage, it's all in how a person views himself. Lots of blame flinging here.

I was doing some readings of relatively "recent" threads and came across this and had to comment

But First: to the OP, I am so sorry you went through all of that. So happy to hear you're out of that situation, and I wish you the best.

Now to this comment, as a person on the Autism Spectrum (diagnosed with Asperger's before that was rolled into ASD and with experience working with advocacy): Autism is in a very weird place right now, with it still being stigmatized and marginalized in one corner, and with advocating sometimes doing too good a job in the other, forgetting that the "superpowered" folks still have issues and need help. And some of that is in unreasonable societal expectations for everyone, but also there are just hurdles we can't jump, or at least not easily.

Part of my own abuse by my ex (which was nowhere near as bad as any of this but still not good) had to do with her expecting me to do what I couldn't and getting pissed at me for that, and then turning around and exaggerating my lack of abilities in other areas where I was resonably capable. It was almost gaslighting (I say "almost" because I'm not sure it was intentional on that level).

So yes, accusing someone of having Autism and using that to control them - whether it's true or not - is a tough thing to deal with and not cool on multiple levels.

For my part, my ASD is something I neither hide nor show off. I'm candid about it when it's relevant, but don't volunteer otherwise (I know it's in my signature here, but I feel it's relevant in that context).

P.S. - I don't have the patience to reformat another quote from a different post on this board at the moment, but another reply seemed to imply that male rape is a myth. While K was 100% a lying douchebag and this instance was false, male rape does happen and it is underreported because people believe it can't. Male victims are nowhere near as common as female ones, but they do exist. In fact, this makes what K did even worse because stories like his further convince people that men can't be victims when we absolutely can and are.
 
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[raises hand] Another ASD here ...

Good points, SenatorBinks.
 
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