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Katastr0ph1k

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I honestly dislike introductions as I never know what to say that doesn't sound cliche, been there-done that, mundane, etc. So, please bear with me!

I'm Kat, I'm 33, married for over a decade to a man that I often feel I don't deserve (long story). We've been in an Open or Poly status (depending on the year and what's been doing on with us) for several years, with me realizing that I am definitely more Poly than I am a swinger or even "open", as I really don't like to sleep around and look for deeper more meaningful relationships. Recently we've introduced a third into our marriage, and are moving her in with us at the end of the month. We are all excited, nervous, a little scared. The merging of two complete households can be daunting, space is of course an issue and figuring all the little nuances is.. interesting. We are committed to doing this and I know she and I will get along just fine (she's actually my best friend before these other developments). We know it will be trying at times, with communication being the essential key to keeping it all from imploding spectacularly. We're not blind or living in dream land.. just optimistic.

So as a result, I moved into fact and advice finding mode, which is why I'm now here. Looking forward to speaking with like-minded folks with similar experiences :)
 
Greetings Kat,
Welcome to our forum. Please feel free to lurk, browse, etc.

This is a good place for info and advice, so dig right in. By the way, when I visited your profile it said that you're straight and 1/3 of a triad. If the third you're adding is female, then that's technically a V (rather than a triad). Though if you and she are best friends, the words "emotional triad" might fit. Okay enough nitpicking about semantics, sorry about that!

Living in the same domicile is quite a challenge so I don't blame you for being nervous. Your preexisting friendship will probably help, but you'll need lots of patience, communication, and flexibility. Hopefully your fellow forum members here can help too!

Glad to have you amongst us,
Sincerely,
Kevin T., "official greeter" :)

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Welcome aboard!
 
I can see your point about "triad" but I do think it's easier for NON poly people to understand "triad" as opposed to "emotional triad" which would cause a lot more questions than sometimes we are comfortable with. And my language often reflects the fact that while I live in Washington State, which has a relatively high number of Poly and non-traditional relationships, isn't as "up" on Poly-lingo, so to speak.

To me, Emotional Triad makes it sounds as though we only have an emotional bond for all three, while that's not true. There is intimacy between her and I, though not sexual, and there is sexual intimacy between my husband and her, as well as my husband and I, separately. Perhaps "Intentional Family" is a better term, since there are 3 adults and we are all committed to raising our daughter? Also, is it really so tremendously important here that we abide by semantics and worry about absolutely using the correct term when many of the terms are interchangeable or can be interpreted as the same? I do want to know, so as I don't get a ton of backlash or rub others the wrong way for being such a noob. For me, I'm not big on semantics, but I also don't want to give off the wrong impression.
 
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No worries, you don't have to be big on semantics. I have been deeply involved in discussing semantics in the past (see the glossary I assembled), and I suppose that's why I'm so word-critical in the first place. I actually think words and their meanings have always held a particular fascination for me, but that became even more true after I encountered polyamory and its unique argot.

But, I apologize for being dogmatic, it was not my desire to offend or stir the pot. The poly world is filled with semantic conflict and I don't want to be any part of that. I understand your usage of the term in question, and that's really all that matters.

Regards,
Kevin T.
 
Hi Katastr0ph1k. Good luck with the trio. If the other women is your best friend that could be great.

I see you like knitting. What's up my knitter! :p
 
No worries, you don't have to be big on semantics. I have been deeply involved in discussing semantics in the past (see the glossary I assembled), and I suppose that's why I'm so word-critical in the first place. I actually think words and their meanings have always held a particular fascination for me, but that became even more true after I encountered polyamory and its unique argot.

But, I apologize for being dogmatic, it was not my desire to offend or stir the pot. The poly world is filled with semantic conflict and I don't want to be any part of that. I understand your usage of the term in question, and that's really all that matters.

Regards,
Kevin T.

I get that. That's why I asked if it was something the board as a whole follows, or just your own personal "thing" as you will. Of course, you could also say that the term Polyamory is wrong, in that it's combining Greek and Latin, which is really a butchery in terms of purity of root languages ;) :p

Hi Katastr0ph1k. Good luck with the trio. If the other women is your best friend that could be great.

I see you like knitting. What's up my knitter! :p

Thank you! I'm excited, honestly. I could go on and on about it!

I love to knit! Do you also knit? I'm currently knitting a lap blanket for a friends adopted granddaughter.
 
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"That's why I asked if it was something the board as a whole follows, or just your own personal 'thing' if you will."

I don't think it's just my personal thing, but I've been known to be wrong on many occasions.
 
Hi Kat, welcome to the board.

You say you are looking for advice on avoiding common pitfalls in sharing a home between 3 people in a poly relationship.

Look at scheduling. Who gets to be with whom? Will there be one on one sex as well as threesomes? Does the man sleep in each woman's bedroom on alternating nights? Or do you plan to all share a big bed? What about dating? One on one, group dates... What about work schedules? If one person works longer hours than the other two, will they feel left out of some fun?

Are you out to all your family and friends? If not, how will this be handled?

Kids. Any rugrats around? How will they accept a new mama moving in?

You say you don't feel you deserve your man. Will this feeling be brought to the fore when you are sharing him 24/7? Do you feel your gf deserves him more than you do? Do you struggle with low self esteem? Jealousy, or envy?

How long has your husband been sexually and romantically involved with your friend? Has their relationship stood the test of time? What if they break up? Will you lose your friend?

Housekeeping. Do your styles mesh? How clean and organized are each of you? Who does what chores? Who cooks? Do you share grocery bill equally, or does new gf like to go get takeout while you like to prepare food at home? Who does the laundry? Who takes out trash? Does someone always leave their dishes in front of the TV or on computer desk and it drives someone else crazy?

Space. Is there space for everyone to have alone time? What about sound proofing? Does it bother you to hear the other couples' lovemaking sounds, or vice versa? Is someone more of an introvert than the other two? What about friends coming to visit or stay?

I think with any couple or triad moving in together, many of these questions are often overlooked in the rush of infatuation, only to become a source of conflict when the rubber hits the road.
 
I bet you're excited. I, for one, would like to hear more about it, on and on. :)

I do not knit, but I know people who do. Very good thing to take up, imo. Your sig reminded me of this:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DgCZB6klOA

Bwahahaha... I have a friend that's VERY in to Bobs Burgers and has sent me that before. Hysterical!

I'm sure as time progresses I'll share a lot more about my situation.
 
Hi Kat, welcome to the board.

You say you are looking for advice on avoiding common pitfalls in sharing a home between 3 people in a poly relationship.

Look at scheduling. Who gets to be with whom? Will there be one on one sex as well as threesomes? Does the man sleep in each woman's bedroom on alternating nights? Or do you plan to all share a big bed? What about dating? One on one, group dates... What about work schedules? If one person works longer hours than the other two, will they feel left out of some fun?

Hubs already works long hours, and she has not found a job here yet, so much of that is still up in the air. There are never any threesomes, sex is always one-on-one for me, even when it's not my husband. I've tried a group thing once before and it was most definitely not my bag.

We have talked about purchasing a King sized bed and sharing, but for me that won't work because I don't really want to be privy to their sex. I can talk about it, I'm not bothered by it, but I don't want to see it or be involved in it. Some may find that prudish, but that's just how I am. I don't mind them having sex at all - I'm the one who encouraged this relationship and initiated things - I just don't care to witness the actual sex. Kissing, PDA, that doesn't bother me. We've established that there will be another "adult" bedroom, and we'll take turns sleeping there. Since it's not all sex all the time (despite people's expectations of such), we'll set up a routine once she arrives, whether it's a switch ever night, or weekly, or whatever.

As far as dating, we haven't set much of that up yet, as finances are a big issue there. We'll figure that out later.

Are you out to all your family and friends? If not, how will this be handled?

We are slowly coming out. Some of our friends already knew my husband and I were Poly, and without saying "she's moving in and will be another partner for hubs" a few of our friends figured it out and mentioned as much to me. Some who don't know we're Poly, made jokes about Hubs being super lucky to have TWO attractive women, and, in one friends words "A 'Menage a Trois' anytime he wants!" - which isn't the case (see above) but was rather humorous.

Mine and Hubs families, except for my nephew whom I'm extremely close to, are completely in the dark about our relationship status. We aren't close with our families. They don't live close (other side of the US), so we won't be caught unawares if they decide to visit.

Wifey has mentioned something to some of her family, but she hasn't become fully open with them. That's her decision. It's up to each of us to decide who and when to be open with about this, the only request is that we tell each other when we have.

Kids. Any rugrats around? How will they accept a new mama moving in?

Hubs and I have 1 child, a 10yo daughter (we lovingly and jokingly call her The Spawn). So, obviously she's around ;) She absolutely adores Wifey who has taken charge on more than one occasion when she's been here. She knows that if she's told to do something by Wifey, she's to be respectful and listen just as if it was coming from me or her father. The Spawn and I are very close, and we've talked about this major change in great detail. She's come to me with questions, but mostly seems excited about this. She knows that there will be some adjustment. She knows she can express any issues or come to us with any questions she has.

You say you don't feel you deserve your man. Will this feeling be brought to the fore when you are sharing him 24/7? Do you feel your gf deserves him more than you do? Do you struggle with low self esteem? Jealousy, or envy?

I say "I don't feel I deserve him" not so much as a realistic saying, but more as in "I'm extremely lucky to have found a caring and loving man who has put up with my bullshit for this long and not gone insane". There are times when I really haven't deserved him in the past, and the opposite is also true. To me, that's just the ups and downs with any long-term, imperfect relationship. There are things in our past that some would have packed their bags and vamoosed out long ago. He didn't. THAT is why I say I don't deserve him at times, but I don't always feel that way. No, I'm not trying to give him someone more "deserving" or trying to punish myself. And for those wondering, I have undergone therapy (both couples and personal) to work on that. And it's worked.

No, I don't think Wifey is more or less deserving than I am. I do struggle with low self-esteem at times and jealousy. Jealousy is a natural thing, it's all in how you handle it. It is natural to be jealous or envious of others for whatever reason. It's about how you handle that jealousy or envy. Communication being the biggest. Any time I've felt jealous, I've simply gone to Hubs and expressed that. The only time it's happened with Wifey involved, I've gone to both of them. Wifey has come to me. We handle it.

How long has your husband been sexually and romantically involved with your friend? Has their relationship stood the test of time? What if they break up? Will you lose your friend?

Romantically about 6 months. Sexually only about 2. This doesn't concern me - my husband and I met in June, were married in November and didn't have sex until we were married (though neither of us was a virgin, it was a matter of logistics). We had a mostly long-distance relationship until we got married. That was 12 years ago. Wifey and Hubs have been long-distance this whole time. I like that. Just like he and I, they've gotten to know the person, it's not all about sex. They know they're compatible, and the funny thing is, he and I are complete opposites while she's a meshing of the two of us. It makes things nice. I've already seen all the positive things about having her in this marriage has done.

As far as a break up goes, we'll cross that bridge if we get there. I don't want a contingency plan because to me, that seems like you're already looking for the exit sign.

Housekeeping. Do your styles mesh? How clean and organized are each of you? Who does what chores? Who cooks? Do you share grocery bill equally, or does new gf like to go get takeout while you like to prepare food at home? Who does the laundry? Who takes out trash? Does someone always leave their dishes in front of the TV or on computer desk and it drives someone else crazy?

Our styles mesh. Hubs doesn't do housework (how archaic of him, I know!), but she and I already do things very similarly. The only thing she has to adjust to is not using bleach (I have parrots and the bleach fumes are toxic to them). She and I are very similar in our housekeeping, though she tends to be more on the organized side than I am. Hubs takes care of all outdoor chores because he likes it and I don't. The rest of the housework is done on an as-needed basis.

Cooking is going to be swapped - whoever cooks that night, the other wife does the dishes. The Spawn always empties the dishwasher (and the trash), as that is her contribution to the household. I believe in children contributing by doing household chores without getting an allowance. They want an allowance, they need to go beyond the minimum and earn it. I will do all the laundry except for folding. I hate folding. Wifey hates doing the laundry, but loves to fold. Win win!! There's also no eating in front of the computer; food is in the dining room or kitchen only, with occasional snacks at the couch for movie night (like popcorn). Nothing in the bedrooms aside from water and the occasional tea cup, but that's usually me and I always remove it by morning. Wifey agrees 100%.

Hubs is covering rent/utilities/insurance/internet/phone, so Wifey will cover her credit cards, car payment and groceries. This will allow each of us a bit more breathing room in our expenses/finances, allow for us to put more aside for a down payment on farm in the next couple of years and let us go out and do more fun things than we've been able to do.

Space. Is there space for everyone to have alone time? What about sound proofing? Does it bother you to hear the other couples' lovemaking sounds, or vice versa? Is someone more of an introvert than the other two? What about friends coming to visit or stay?

This is the only downside. There's 3 bedrooms and a bonus room downstairs. But the space is still an issue. We're working on arranging things but need her here to help figure it all out so we're all in agreement. Overnight guests are always an issue, even for just the 2 adults and one kiddo. We always make it work and have plans in place to work this out as well.

I think with any couple or triad moving in together, many of these questions are often overlooked in the rush of infatuation, only to become a source of conflict when the rubber hits the road.

It's about communication, communication, communication.
 
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