New to poly, need advice

ArtsySlut

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Hi, I'm Lise, 23F, from France. Been in a relationship with another girl (21TF) for like 6 months now. I always knew she's poly. I, despite not being against the idea, have never been part of a poly relationship. A week ago or so, she told me that she would love for us to create a polycule. I told her that it's ok for her to go find another gf, but she said that she doesn't want it to be a V relationship (had to google what it meant lol), but rather another word that i forgot cuz i'm new to this. So I'm looking now for ppl in polycules (preferably a lesbian one, but i'm ok with anyone, no matter their gender or their sexuality) to ask some questions.
Here are the main questions I have:
- what's that word she said? xd It basically means that we'll all be in a relationship with each other.
- I believe that what suits me the most is for us to always be together, no bi-interactions, really all become an entity. Is that a thing? Can you give me some articles or books about this specific polycule setup?
Thanks in advance.
 
Hi Lise, welcome!

I think your girlfriend means Kitchen Table Polyamory (KTP)? But in no circumstances are you obliged to be in a relationship with all the people in the polycule. The meaning of a KTP is to be friendly/basic polite with your metamour(s).

Another one is a quad (foursome) where all the people in the dynamic are intertwined and have a close relationship with each other, but these relationships are also very rare, as everyone needs to be very compatible with one another.

Do you want to date other people? You don't have to just because your partner is dating. Some people are monoamorous and just saturated at one.
 
Hello Lise,

It sounds your partner wants to be in a triad, also the word throuple is sometimes used. She wants all three of you to be romantically/sexually involved with each other. You have been more thinking of a V, where one of you is involved with both of the others, but the other two are not involved with each other (though they may be platonic friends). You have to decide if you want a triad.

Let me know if I can help,
Kevin T.
 
Hello Lise,

It sounds your partner wants to be in a triad, also the word throuple is sometimes used. She wants all three of you to be romantically/sexually involved with each other. You have been more thinking of a V, where one of you is involved with both of the others, but the other two are not involved with each other (though they may be platonic friends). You have to decide if you want a triad.

Let me know if I can help,
Kevin T.
Hello Kevin,

Yes, I think the word she used was triad, and that's the way she explained it. Now my new question is: I am completely okay with a triad. It even excites me, but in a triad is there sometimes some "one-on-one" activities (likes dates and sex)? Because I would like to avoid that (not because of jealousy). I just want all 3 of us to be involved in everything we do.

Thanks in advance.
 
I just want all 3 of us to be involved in everything we do.
That rarely happens in real life. For people to always maintain the same level of desire, love and commitment with all their partners, at all times, is the stuff of fantasy. In real life, you have multiple relationships to tend to.
You + Her
You + Other
Her + Other
You + Her + Other
Few people have the experience and skills to successfully manage a triad, let alone one where everyone is supposed to always be fully involved with each other. I suggest you do a lot of reading before you take the plunge into polyamory. Perhaps start with a simple V and see how you manage that first. Then add KTP, and see if you really still want a triad. There are lots of resources on this forum, and lots of stories. Good luck.
 
Hi Lise,

Given that every individual person is unique, it follows naturally that every relationship will be unique. And this is true of triads too, in some triads there are one-on-one activities, in other triads everything is done as a group. It just really depends on what works for the three individuals involved. You want to do everything as a group, and that's cool. You just have to find out if your preferences match up with both of your partners.

Regards,
Kevin T.
 
Hello, welcome. Bienvenue!

What the others said is wise. Especially when you are first starting out with ethical non-monogamy, or polyamory, a triad is almost bound to fail.

This is going to sound harsh, and you may not like it, or you may not believe me. But you can read threads that reflect this all over the board. (We've been here since 2009; there are a LOT of stories of failed triads here.)

BTW, I am non-binary and pansexual; my gf Pixi is transfemale and pansexual; my bf Aries is cis (mostly), polyamorous/polysexual, and heteroflexible; my gf's bf Malachi is pansexual, technically polyamorous (although he doesn't date others) and cis; Aries's other gf Sadie is straight, cis and married to another man. She's more of a swinger than polyamorous.

We keep all of our relationships separate. It is MUCH less complicated that way. However, Malachi and I are friends, Aries is friends with my gf Pixi, and has met Malachi more than once. We occasionally hang out as a group, mostly on holidays. I have not met Arie's other gf Sadie,, but she lives over an hour away and it's not convenient.

This is a fairly typical polyamorous network. You could call it "Garden Party Polyamory."

Pixi and I, years ago, tried different kinds of group sex, casual sex, sharing partners between us, etc., but it's never worked out. It's just confusing, who feels what for whom. Are you in love with some, FWBs (friends with benefits, not sure what you'd call it in French) with others? What if you have a one-off threeway or fourway sex thing and it goes all pear-shaped and wonky, and people feel left out, get jealous? (That happened to Pixi and me more than once. Ugh.)

So, Pixi and I stopped experimenting with all that years ago.

Many people (couples) new to ENM or polyamory imagine they will find a "unicorn" who will magically love each of them exactly equally, and they will love her exactly equally, and every sex session will be threeways, and everyone will be in the mood for sex or a date at the same time, always. They will peacefully share a bed, have sex every night, wake up refreshed and happy. Can you not see how unrealistic this is? It's a mere fantasy.

The mainstream media pushes this idea, of a couple "adding a third," because it's usually depicted as the male fantasy of FMF, one guy and two women in bed. This is sensationalized, and does not reflect reality. (Even in these media fantasies, it usually goes down in flames.)

What you and gf seem to think you want is a "prescribed" triad, where you SEEK a person who is into trying that, and it all just elegantly falls into place. Trust me, that never happens.

The only time triads work is when it goes something like this:

You start dating Anais. You are dating your current partner (call her Juliette). Anais and you are doing well. You introduce her to Juliette. Anais spends a lot of time at your flat. She becomes platonic friends with Juliette. Eventually they seem to become attracted to each other. You all discuss in great detail whether it would be wise to form a triad. You work out rules about time sharing, sex, what to do if only two people want a date or sex. After all, you probably want to continue one-on-one dates and sex with Juliette, right?

(Many of us might remember the Paris Olympics opening scene a couple years ago, where three happy young things meet in a library and immediately head to a flat for sex. Oh those French and their suave menages a trois! How often does that really happen, successfully, beyond one or two sexual flings? The French are human. You don't actually have super powers haha)

What if Anais has another partner? What if you do, or Juliette does? How do they fit in? Or do you decide to be "poly-fidelitous," only with the three of you, forever?

Now what? Maybe it's good for a while, during the infatuation phase (aka New Relationship Energy, or NRE). It's all exciting, new, thrilling, sexy.

Then, after three months, or a year, NRE wears off, with one person or another, or all three of you at once. Reality sets in. Your rose-colored glasses come off. You see the real people, warts and all, learn their annoying little habits, or maybe even mental illnesses, family issues, bad housekeeping, poor money management, busy work/school schedules, drug or alcohol habits, poor communication skills, annoying friends, etc. You try living together, but one person can't be counted on; she cheats, lies or steals. Maybe you all continue along, talking everything over whenever there is an issue. Or maybe someone turns out to really hate this, and leaves. Maybe Anais and Juliette become a new couple, and you're left out! This can and does happen, especially with young people just out of adolescence.

Resources on polyamory, every kind of issue and problem, here:

 
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