New unofficial open relationship, dealing with the emotional pain and jealousy

There are a lot of competitive, monogamous types thoughts going in your post. I am not criticizing, if that's how you want to live, but it's very difficult to have open relationships with that mindset. Not saying it can't be done, but it seems to create lots of misery.

So to address one of your fears, would it matter if your gf (or you yourself for that matter) developed an emotional connection to another that is just as strong as the one between you? You see, people are not interchangeable. What you bring to a relationship with your gf is different than what someone else will bring.
 
I would also add that jealousy is based on false assumptions such as:

Love is finite, so that if my main squeeze loves another s/he loves me less.

For some of us (Mono), this isn't a fallacy, but the way in which we love. I cannot love another with the same intensity that I have for my partner. If I try, that relationship intensity is spread thin. I can't maintain it.

Chops, however, doesn't love like that and CAN love multiple people just as intensely as one.

The fallacy isn't in the statement, but in applying it to everyone. It may be true for the OP, and he may be projecting this on others. It's an easy thing to do, when that's the only way in which you see the world, and it can take a certain level of time and experience to realize that what's true for you may not be true for others in that regard.
 
There are a lot of competitive, monogamous types thoughts going in your post. I am not criticizing, if that's how you want to live, but it's very difficult to have open relationships with that mindset. Not saying it can't be done, but it seems to create lots of misery.

So to address one of your fears, would it matter if your gf (or you yourself for that matter) developed an emotional connection to another that is just as strong as the one between you? You see, people are not interchangeable. What you bring to a relationship with your gf is different than what someone else will bring.

hmmm... I think it would mainly matter to me if she leaves me for someone else, if she just develops the connection, but stays with both of us, I think I could handle that.

Are there other mindsets that I wrote about which you think are problemous when it comes to open relationships?
 
Well i do realize the fallacies to some level, but I think that even logically I still think that letting her be with other man increases the chance that she leaves me. But OTOH I also logicallt realize that the more freedom I give her, the happier she will be. It's about finding some balance I guess.

Honestly? YOu sound very insecure in your relationship, and that's a bad way to start poly. Poly isn't about holding on to people; you don't decide to be poly to keep someone from leaving you. "IF you love it, let it go," right?

You need a secure, solid relationship FIRST before opening it up to other people.

When I wrote about restricting how much sex we can have with outside partners, I wasn't that sure about this.
I definitely realize that you cannot control whether you will develop emotions, and I am willing to take the risk that she will develop feelings for someone else.

PolyAMORY. Many loves. The odds are very good that she will. One thing you need to understand is that's the whole point. It's not polysexual (although that's probably a thing.) Sex is by its very nature intimate, and intimacy begets feelings. You need to discuss, now, what happens if that happens. Period. It's not a risk, it's almost guaranteed! One of the things we who are truly polyamorous learn is that love isn't divided. IT grows, it expands. When I had kids, I didn't love the first one left, I loved the new one just as much, and it grew to accommodate both of my children.

If she does develop feelings for someone, that doesn't necessarily mean her feelings for you reduce, or change. I love my husband very deeply, and it is not diminished by the love I have for my would-be boyfriend.
I guess you just need to learn to recognize whether those feelings are just temporary excitement or something real. I realize she might develop something real and stronger then what we have with someone else, but also am willing to take that risk.

And yes, the leftover resistance is mainly emotional, in the last two days I actually feel much better as I have talked about this with a close friend and it helped me get it off my chest. I didn't really tell her how bad I felt, because she was dealing with the guilt anyway and didn't want to make it harder for her, I still feel that in time this will subside and that an open relationship (some version of it) is something I want to try.

This is a huge red flag for me. The true key to any poly relationship (hell, ANY relationship) is communication. You have to have painful, sometimes exhausting conversations with your partner... your partnerS. You can't protect them from bad feelings. Bad feelings are part of being human, and if you're hiding things, you're not communicating, and resentments develop.

You need to sit down, figure out what you want (which right now seems to be a hot fantasy of screwing lots of people while still getting the benefits of a relationship, but not with her doing the same... you don't like it.) Once you figure that out, you need to have a long, hard conversation for her, so SHE knows what she's dealing with. And you know what she wants. She may need time to deal with her feelings too.

Does that mean she may be done? Yes. One of the hardest conversations I have ever had was the one where my husband and I determined if we could really be poly or not.

He still doesn't know. My happy ending hasn't come yet. I'm not allowed to be poly in practice, yet, although he is on a date as we speak. That's by choice; I want him to have the chance to see if he can handle his own relationships before asking him to accept mine. He's also accepted we both have (though it is painful) that if this doesn't work out? It's probably the end for us, because he might not be able to live with knowing my heart is not devoted solely to him, even if I never act on it. We have to talk this stuff out though, because it's not fair to me, nor him, if we don't.
 
You need a secure, solid relationship FIRST before opening it up to other people.

This is a very common stance on relationships which are on the rocks. I can see this point being valid only if maintaining the longevity of a relationship is the highest priority. Personally I don't find relationship longevity to be much of a concern, sure it's nice when it works out that way but I don't make it a central goal.

For me, a person should start another relationship when they feel they want to start another relationship. Relationships end all of the time, a relationship which is not built to endure a huge worldview shift like moving to poly should be mercifully allowed to change or end (as appropriate). Be kind, courteous, and supportive at every opportunity but not at the sacrifice of living your life in a genuine fashion.
 
Back in the day, when I was anti-relationship, I set "rules" for my self similar to those which have been discussed. I wouldn't have sex with anyone I felt was "vulnerable" (ie. not able to separate sex from feelings) , I wouldn't have sex with virgins (in my experience people developed "feelings" for their first sexual partner), I wouldn't have sex with someone more than three times (for fear that they would develop "feelings" for me)...

Ultimately, all of my precautions failed and I fell in love with my husband ... who I have been with for 21 years and counting...

Best of intentions can fail.

19 years later.... same rules and better precautions...the rules failed again. Now I also have a boyfriend...oh darn :rolleyes:.

Now, these were "rules" I set for myself...(the idea that anyone else could constrain my behavior...NOT happening!)...and they still failed...just saying....
 
I still think that letting her be with other man increases the chance that she leaves me.
But OTOH I also logicallt realize that the more freedom I give her, the happier she will be.
Wow, man, your wording indicates a very possessive attitude. Listen, unless you've got some mutually agreed-upon BDSM contract where you are her Master, Owner, or Daddy, you don't "let" her do anything. Her freedom is not yours to give. Freedom is her right as an autonomous human being. Just because she's your girlfriend and you fuck her doesn't mean she needs your permission to live her life as she sees fit. She isn't your pet or possession, and you don't own her vagina.

Basically two people in a relationship each make their own choices and communicate about those choices and any options there may be. If she chooses to fuck other guys, it's not that you're "letting her" do that; it's that you accept that this is what she wants to do and you choose to make room for that in your life. If you do not accept it, then she and you both have more choices to make about whether to stay or go. If you tell her you are not okay with it, and that you want to forbid or limit her sexual activities, her response doesn't mean anything more than the fact that she weighs her choices and, of her own volition, picks one that will yield the most beneficial outcome for her - even if outwardly it looks like she's giving you what you want! Even if she says, "Okay, I won't do that because you don't like it," and she sacrifices her own wishes in deference to what you want, she is still making a choice. It isn't that she obeys you and does what you decree.

Another response might be that she says, "Listen, I am going to fuck other guys, so you are going to have to deal with it if you want to stay with me, but I can adjust my pursuits to give you time to handle it." Yet another might be, "What the hell? I'm not asking you, I'm telling you this is what I want. If you can't handle it, there's the door."

Then you make choices in response to her choices. It is an ebb and flow of weighing options, asking ourselves what we want, and decision-making. But if you want to be involved in multiple relationships, and want it to work (by that I mean that your relationships bring you satisfaction and joy), you had better drop the notion that you are letting or allowing any partner to do what they want. You're not in charge of anything beyond your own choices in life.


So again, I am not at all sure about the restricting sex thing, it was just an idea.
And a bad one. No one else should ever believe they are in charge of another's sexuality, or that they have any right to restrict what another person does with their own body [unless in a BDSM context]. So, if you find yourself indulging in feelings of unhappiness, jealousy, possessiveness, etc., all in reaction to what a partner chooses to do with her own life and her own body, then what the hell are you sticking around for? Either get over it or get out.
 
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Honestly? YOu sound very insecure in your relationship, and that's a bad way to start poly. Poly isn't about holding on to people; you don't decide to be poly to keep someone from leaving you. "IF you love it, let it go," right?

You need a secure, solid relationship FIRST before opening it up to other people.

I was referring to the "fallacies" about polyamorous relationship. It may be that "If you love it, let it go" is the standard I should live by. But I was simply referring to my opinion, that logically, in a polyamorous relationship, I sense there is more chance of her leaving me. Maybe I am wrong though. I don't think this has to do with being insecure, I am referring to a chance of something happening.
Nevertheless, I think I agree that even if it IS true, living by "if you love it, let it go", will make both of us happiest in the long run.

PolyAMORY. Many loves. The odds are very good that she will. One thing you need to understand is that's the whole point. It's not polysexual (although that's probably a thing.) Sex is by its very nature intimate, and intimacy begets feelings. You need to discuss, now, what happens if that happens. Period. It's not a risk, it's almost guaranteed! One of the things we who are truly polyamorous learn is that love isn't divided. IT grows, it expands. When I had kids, I didn't love the first one left, I loved the new one just as much, and it grew to accommodate both of my children.

If she does develop feelings for someone, that doesn't necessarily mean her feelings for you reduce, or change. I love my husband very deeply, and it is not diminished by the love I have for my would-be boyfriend.
I guess you just need to learn to recognize whether those feelings are just temporary excitement or something real. I realize she might develop something real and stronger then what we have with someone else, but also am willing to take that risk.

Okay, I believe this can work. I'm a new member of this forum and I am not sure polyamory in necessarily what I am looking for. It seems what I described is closed to "swinging", but maybe it will be better for me and her to be looser and not try to make up rules to prevent developing emotions for other people.
 
Anyhow, I'll update about the current situation.
She had since then slept with another guy, this time I don't feel nearly as jealous. I am hoping that with time I will get used to it and won't feel much pain anymore.

So far I haven't been with anyone else, I am very curious as to how I'll feel if I do that and how she will feel. It is our understanding that I am allowed to do it, but of course I still don't know how she'll feel when it happens, this is her first experience with such a relationship as well.
 
Wow, man, your wording indicates a very possessive attitude. Listen, unless you've got some mutually agreed-upon BDSM contract where you are her Master, Owner, or Daddy, you don't "let" her do anything. Her freedom is not yours to give. Freedom is her right as an autonomous human being. Just because she's your girlfriend and you fuck her doesn't mean she needs your permission to live her life as she sees fit. She isn't your pet or possession, and you don't own her vagina.


I certainly don't perceive things as you seem to suggest. Regardless of my choice of wording
 
But I was simply referring to my opinion, that logically, in a polyamorous relationship, I sense there is more chance of her leaving me.
I suspect that would be more applicable in a monogamous relationship. If only one relationship is allowed at a time then falling for #2 means leaving #1. Poly allows more than one concurrent relationship so there is no reason to trade one for another.
 
. . . logically, in a polyamorous relationship, I sense there is more chance of her leaving me.
That isn't logical at all, to a polyamorist.

Think about it: if you go to a buffet dinner and put together several food choices on your plate, do you then sit down at your table to pick only one of them to eat and throw away the rest? No, of course not. You sample and savor all of it! If you only wanted one dish, you would've ordered from the standard menu rather than join the buffet line.

It's the same thing with poly. In poly, people don't embark on having multiple relationships in order to pick one and leave the rest. They want all of them. If they only wanted one partner, then they would stick to monogamy.
 
I honestly think that the risks are approximately the same with a noob. I think the risk lessens with someone who has been poly for some time. There's always some risk though.
 
@ fiftyeight ... any updates on your situation? Would be interested to hear how things are currently going.
 
@ fiftyeight ... any updates on your situation? Would be interested to hear how things are currently going.

Hey. Not too much new, my first challenge was the jealousy, I feel I am quite past that. I had a second challenge about managing STDs, I opened a seperate thread about it: http://www.polyamory.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70080&page=2

I feel I am quite past the STD issue, we talked about it and I explained my worries and she seems on board with asking about STDs before having sex with new people.

So it seems to be going well right now, the next challenge I foresee is for me to be with someone else, as I still have some inhibitions about it, and I am still afraid she won't be able to deal with it even though she said she would.

Overall I am quite happy at the moment, and seems like she is too.

I'll keep you guys updated :)
 
Sounds good, I am glad you are finding yourself in a more comfortable headspace.
 
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