Partner turning to poly - help to adjust

Ludlow

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Dear knowledgable folk of the Polymory forum.

My partner of 15 years, wife of 8 and mother of our two boys (4 & 6 yrs) is on the brink of becoming a practicing poly.

I was hoping some of you could dispense some much needed advice on how I can deal with the wealth of negative emotions I am currently feeling.

Perhaps I should start with a minimalist background?

My other half has always had obsessions for other men. She is Aspergers and you could say that these obsessions are her “special interest” (lately she’s started describing the nature of this obsessive bond as ‘Limerence’). As an adult, most of the individuals under her (normally serial) gaze have been unaware. This situation changed almost two years ago when the subject of my wife’s limerence firstly ‘became aware’ and secondly responded with a reciprocal admission of romantic feelings.

(This was the beginning of an emotional storm for both of us).

Since then, my wife has had a very close friendship with this man (they meet up typically twice a week). For some time my wife tried to find contentment stopping short of a full physically-intimate relationship - this she achieved (largely effectively) with a great deal of self control purely for my benefit and that of our relationship (I should add that neither of us have had any experience of polyamory).

In recent months it has become obvious that this physical restraint is not sustainable. A pragmatist, I think I have two options: (1) leave or (2) adapt to this change. For my wife’s part her ideal would be to keep the very good marriage that we have while being granted the freedom to satisfy this other urge (If I was to leave she doesn’t think she would look to find another primary partner).

I love my wife enormously and don’t want to stand in the way of her realising her true self. Her happiness is in large part linked to my own.

For what it’s worth, the other man seems like a good guy i.e. I don’t believe he would mistreat my wife in any way. I have spoken to him openly on the nature of our 3-way predicament a number of times (he is fully aware of the enfolding situation).

Question:
I find the idea of this man and my wife sharing intimate relations extremely painful. When I think of it I get a wrench in my gut. How do I diffuse these feelings? I don’t want to learn how to live with them, I wan’t to go beyond them, I want to be truly comfortable (so I can secure our future together and begin rebuilding my self confidence that is rock bottom).
I’m familiar with the idea that feelings such as jealousy are not a pure emotion but a combination of emotions and that by dissecting the feeling you can look to counter each component part. I have used this tool to good effect already, but find the “metal block” I have concerning the physical aspect hard to budge. No doubt some of you think I have been conditioned by society to feel this way - I hope this is true, for if it is conditioning then I can recondition myself!

I want to put an end to two years of hurt and anxiety. I want to be able to extend my wife the freedom she needs and in so doing secure our future together.

I hope as a couple, we can emerge from this stronger-than-ever.

We will continue to talk (though vocalising my discomfort I am starting to feel like a scratched record!).

Help! Please! (If you can).

p.s. "Journeyofawakening" I read your thread "How do I even start to explain". It seems to me we are where you and your husband could be in the not too distant future i.e. we are on the same path just a little ahead of you.
 
I am sorry you struggle.

Only you can answer that -- is it CONDITIONING or your PREFERENCE to relate in monogamous shape. Nobody can answer it for you. There is nothing wrong with having your own preferences either.

A pragmatist, I think I have two options: (1) leave or (2) adapt to this change.

Yup.

I suggest you read your post and focus on your wants and clarify them. You are two years in. How long before you call it "Tried, but nope. Throwing in the towel now." 5, 10, 20 years? 50?

I love my wife enormously and don’t want to stand in the way of her realising her true self.

Does leaving solve it? Yep. You aren't standing in her way of her realizing her true self.

Does adapting to this change solve that? Yep. She can realize herself whether you are there or not.

I think the actual question is not about your wife's true self. But YOUR true self.

Are you realizing your true, authentic, healthy self staying here? Or do you better meet it by leaving here?

How do I diffuse these feelings?

You don't. You experience and work through the feelings and learn what they are trying to tell you.

If it is that you just don't want to be in a polyship, and you are going against the grain trying to make it so? You could STOP and let the marriage go so the yucky feelings can stop and heal in time. You can continue to love your wife, but could stop trying to make a thing fly that won't fly.

I want to put an end to two years of hurt and anxiety.

Sounds like burn out to me.

Does leaving solve this? Yep.

Does staying meet your need to be free of hurt and anxiety? Not looking like it.

I want to be able to extend my wife the freedom she needs

Does leaving the marriage solve this? Yep. She's totally free TO pursue poly with other people. And you are free FROM poly if that is not your cup of tea.

Does staying solve this? Nope. Not if you are not up for poly.

I want to secure our future together.

Not specific. What kind of future? Future as WHAT? Friends? Lovers? Spouses?

I hope as a couple, we can emerge from this stronger-than-ever.

Not specific. What kind of couple? A couple that is good exes and friends? A married couple?

Not specific. What kind of "we" do you mean? "We" as a together unit or "we" like "we each individually are stronger than ever. Just not a together unit any more."

What is your desired outcome? Does she share that desire? Does her potential BF?

You could finish clarifying all these things to yourself. Then take a tally for leaving and a tally for staying.

If it's isn't landslide stay? Maybe you pull the plug now rather than dragging it out. It's been 2 years already.

It's not fun advice, I know. :eek:

But you have to decide what you value more.

  • Ending your personal suffering now so you can heal and enjoy life again.
  • Continuing your suffering in a wonky sounding trio with no end in sight.

Not all the choices in life are win-lose. Sometimes all the choices just stink!

And then you have to pick your hard from "which choice stinks less?"

Galagirl
 
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Hi Galagirl,

Thanks for your advice.

I am actually a lot more optimistic about the future of my marriage than you.

Yes it's been two years since the story began but only a few months since we (my wife & I) realised polyamory was the only solution.


if that is not your cup of tea

No. It's not a beverage I would myself have been drawn to but that does not mean I can't learn to find it satisfying.

But you have to decide what you value more.
Ending your personal suffering now so you can heal and enjoy life again.
Continuing your suffering in a wonky sounding trio with no end in sight.

I do believe there is a 3rd way:
Be prepared to endure some further suffering, but, with help from my wife and drawing strength from our love, coming fully to accept this new poly arrangement.

To clarify,
when I say my want is to emerge from this stronger than ever I mean "together", as a married couple, as the closest of friends and as lovers (and yes, complete with wife's BF).
 
Hi Galagirl and anyone else reading this thread (I hope there will be more),

I am the wife of the author of this thread and I want to make a few things clearer.

Firstly - your reply seems to assume that we have had two years of stalemate. I agree with you that if that had been the case, it would be time to separate.

In actual fact the last two years have been a huge learning curve for both of us. For a long time, I agreed to remain monogamous and began to 'meltdown' with alarming frequency. (In this time I have also found out that I have Aspergers -something I find difficult to separate from this topic).

Polyamory has only been on the cards for the last two months and my husband has made a huge leap of faith agreeing to take this course with me.

I began by taking the wrong path - getting emotionally involved with someone before my husband had consented to polyamory. I can see how wrong that was. The first thing we needed to do was to heal that hurt. The next step (from here on in) is to start making polyamory a reality in our lives.

Staying, and knowing that he will experience some difficult emotions has been a positive choice that my husband has made. We came to the forum (together) in the hope of finding some constructive and practical support.

As a couple we have had some extremely deep and difficult discussions over the last few months, including whether separation is the best option. The feeling of open-ness and honesty between us has blossomed. Just because my husband does not find it easy to allow my polyamory does not mean that he is not getting anything positive out of this journey.

I hope that we will get some good sound advice on making this work for us.
 
Dinham...

Before you start any further down the road I want you to contemplate your husband freely dating and fucking and loving another woman. If you can't handle that thought then you guys have a lot of work ahead of you before this kicks off into high gear.

Galagirl is perhaps the most respected forum poster here. She devotes more time and thoughtfulness than anyone in her advice from what I have seen. Also be prepared to hear things you may not like. But at the same time take those things to heart because it is often the things we don't like to hear that are perhaps the ones that really strike at the heart of the problem.
 
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Thank you for clarifying. I thought there had been two years of stalemate. And that the choices Ludlow was choosing to go for were

  • leave now
  • stay and suck it up even if I don't like it here

Could you both be willing to clarify if there was cheating on agreements here? I am confused on that. You both seem reticent on it.

Ludlow said:
Yes it's been two years since the story began but only a few months since we (my wife & I) realised polyamory was the only solution.

dinham said:
I began by taking the wrong path - getting emotionally involved with someone before my husband had consented to polyamory. I can see how wrong that was. The first thing we needed to do was to heal that hurt. The next step (from here on in) is to start making polyamory a reality in our lives.

Was this cheating? Has the hurt been healed? Are you trying to make poly go with a new person, or the emotional affair partner?

I am glad you see healing hurts all the way has to happen before trying on polyamory. Poly is not the bandaid to cheating on agreements. People can cheat on their poly agreements too. Could this of any help if some healing from the emotional affair is still going on?

http://felislunae.org/relationships-love/coming-clean/

I don't recommend banging head on wall for two years and then continuing to bang head. There has to be a limit. One does not thrown their own well being under the bus.

Since it is only 2 months in, perhaps there is a third choice on the table right now. There might be

  • Try it on for a time and see if I can change and adapt

That means, Ludlow, that you still have to clarify all those other things in my previous post to yourself and to your people so you have a compass, even if you do not have a clear map to uncharted waters.

  • What are your personal boundaries?
  • How do you want it to be if polyamory DOES work out?
  • How do you want it to be if polyamory does NOT work out?
  • Do all players agree on that shared vision? What are their wants in both directions?
  • Do all players agree on how to be together while trying it on? Clear expectations of themselves and each other?
  • How long do you all want to try it on before taking assessment?
    • That it DID pan out
    • Not quite, but close. So tweak and extend the time frame a bit. Then assess again.
    • Just not working out at all?

I strongly suggest you set a time frame for "trying it on" to see if it works. You still wouldn't be doing it for 5, 10, 20, 50 years, right? If it is not working out?

Do continue to talk to each other directly and honestly. Even if the topics are hard.

In that time of discovering if monogamy is your conditioning, your preference, or BOTH conditioning and your preference?

You can also try to discover what lies behind the the jealousy.

http://www.practicalpolyamory.com/images/Jealousy_Updated_10-6-10.pdf

http://www.kathylabriola.com/articl...nster-managing-jealousy-in-open-relationships

http://www.kathylabriola.com/articles/are-you-in-poly-hell

Perhaps those help you ID and sort out what the issues are?

With the additional challenges of Asperger, you guys might want to see if you can engage a poly friendly counselor to help you sort and work around that / with that also on the table.

GL!
Galagirl
 
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Yes, I think you both are looking at things with your eyes pretty wide open, though I am certain there are many things you haven't even thought of, and I believe you will get much good, constructive feedback here if you are patient (we have thousands of members here from all over the world, different time zones, etc.). A lot of people like GalaGirl's posts, and yet many will disagree with a lot of what she posts and some of us block her (graviton's assessment that GG is the "most respected" poster here is a bit silly) -- just as some people love my posts and some hate them and block me. So, take away what resonates best with you and leave the rest. I myself am going to post a little later regarding your issues because I want to think a little bit more about it and I need to get ready for a lunch date right now.
 
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Hi again GalaGirl.

A lot of what you say makes sense to me. Your right, a time scale seems sensible though, to be honest the subject is so much on my mind that I pretty much review things on an hour-by-hour basis.

You asked for clarification on cheating.
Could you both be willing to clarify if there was cheating on agreements here? I am confused on that. You both seem reticent on it.

That depends on how you define it! my guess is we are defending into a grey area here. Please bare in mind (as I have previously mentioned) that my wife has always had obsessions with men at a distance (it's part of her nature).

Yes, she did develop an emotional attachment with this man before I was made aware of his existence (and yes, he is the potential BF). In her defence she was caught unawares by his mutual desire. She understands she should have been up front with me sooner.

Yes, during the phase where she was trying to be satisfied with a pure "close friendship" she did have minor strays into the realms of physical affection and then lie to me about it (it is so completely out of character). She knows how wrong this was (as does he) and I have forgiven her for this lack of honesty.

So as to cheating on agreements. Answer: perhaps? but given the voyage of discovery we have been on (and continue to be on) I think they are forgivable mistakes. For my part perhaps I was a little to willing to believe that a close friendship would be enough for her.

Anyway, I think it is fair to say we have learn't our lesson. We both understand that absolute honesty is a must from here on in.

nycindie - I look forward to hearing what you have to say.

graviton - Yes, she has in theory granted me the same freedom (she has some reservations about the idea - which frankly I find a comfort).
 
Thank you for the links, Galagirl - those are exactly the kind of resources we are looking for. Interesting that you have fans here ready to leap to your defence! I hope you know that there was no disagreement - only a need to clarify.

Graviton - overly-emotive language aside, yes, I am happy with the idea of Ludlow having new partners. In fact, I have encouraged him to think along those lines, so as to have a greater understanding of me. We have come to recognise that we are different when we think about opening the relationship. He finds the thought daunting and I find it exciting.

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The advice we have had so far has summarised well where we have got to. The 'big questions' have been asked. The hardest truth I have had to arrive at is: I am prepared to leave my marriage in order to become Poly if Ludlow asks it of me - BUT I would much rather be poly and remain married to Ludlow. He knows the reasons I value our relationship so much.

I think it may help this thread along to be more specific about the advice we would really value. Ludlow likes to feel understood and it would be great if we found someone out there who could identify with his situation - a male who forms one end of a V relationship - or someone who has come to poly because their partner wanted it. How do those first steps feel? What do you discuss before/after your partner sleeps with someone else for the first time? What do you do to feel ok while your partner is on a date with someone else?

I know that I deserve a lot of criticism for cheating, but we have gone beyond laying blame now. We have dissected in great detail the reasons why this happened (anyone interested needs to begin by reading up on both Aspergers and limerence before taking this topic up). I think that we are now communicating better than ever and my mistakes will not be repeated.

The main reason we are here on the forum, instead of with a relationship counsellor, is because of my communication issues. I get extremely polarised and/or confused when I am made to talk under pressure. I sometimes lose the ability to talk at all. Traditional counselling would not work. However, there is a wealth of experience and advice here on the forum and I look forward to hearing more.
 
Dinham...

Before you start any further down the road I want you to contemplate your husband freely dating and fucking and loving another woman.


That sounds fair. Having the love and support of another partner can make this so much easier on him.
 
Dinham --- There is no disagreement here. I appreciate being corrected if I get something wrong. That is why I was asking questions to clarify. It is hard to give feedback or links you might be able to use if I do not understand where you are coming from, what point of the journey this is, or what the desired outcome is. I think I have a better idea now. I do not know what is useful to you each from what I offer. I figure you each could take what you can use and leave the rest. Glad the links do help you some.

I agree it could help you get more usable feedback from others if you are more specific. I think it might also help if you guys consider having separate threads so you each get advice for your particular POV in the situation in your own thread. I hope others give you their feedback to try help you.

Ludlow
- If you are ruminating every hour, that is quite a lot and you do not sound like you catch a break. You might want to set times and days for working on this. Maybe only on Friday or something? Counseling at this time is not helpful for Dinham, but maybe it is helpful for you?

GL!
Galagirl
 
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Hi Ludlow and dinham,

To let you know, I am a male who forms one end of a V relationship. But, I am not the "original male" in what was just a "mere" married couple (before we all came together as a V).

Re (from Ludlow):
"I find the idea of this man and my wife sharing intimate relations extremely painful. When I think of it I get a wrench in my gut. How do I diffuse these feelings?"

I'm thinking that it's something you can't do quickly. You'll have to experience more of the painful visual. I think the pain will be slightly less each time. Often too slight to notice ... sometimes not less at all, three steps forward and two steps back, type of thing.

Also don't hesitate to ask dinham for reassurance or extra attention when you need it. Communication is so important in any polyamorous situation.

I did not experience the particular difficulties you describe, so I am giving advice based on my forum experience: other people's stories. I have experienced jealousy and can give you links for coping with jealousy if that would help.

Re (from dinham):
"What do you do to feel okay while your partner is on a date with someone else?"

In many cases, a hobby will suffice. Or getting out and socializing. Or even going on a date of your own, if a date happens to be lined up. Not that anything will completely solve the problem -- other than repeated exposure, over time.

Hopefully as the thread continues I'll think of more ideas.
Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
After seeing so many marriages destroyed, my advice to people in your situation is not to go poly if it bothers you. You can only suppress jealousy and insecurity, but never eliminate it. It will gnaw at you and rear its ugly head once in a while. Some say that you should adjust as if poly is a more enlightened type of relationship and you are a Neandertal for having emotions that have successfully worked throughout evolution.

In short, if you do not want it, don't agree to it. I never saw it work when both spouses were completely onboard with it or had so many rules that were so restrictive that one or the other ended up breaking and do things in secret. Every divorced couple we knew started off trusting each other (Trust is a key component of marriage) and feeling that they had a very strong marriage. Rules are just a false sense of having control and people break the rules all the time. Once love takes over, people make very bad decisions. Take care and do not do anything that you are not comfortable with because sooner or later it will blow up in your face.

Having said this, I was in a 40 year poly triad that was the best part of my life. However, none of us felt any jealousy or insecurity. My wife and I were sexually faithful to each other and our girlfriend. It was a wonderful thing but we had the right three people. I would never be in favor of my wife dating other guys. I am very alpha and feel it would be a form of submission to the men she is having sex with. Luckily my wife tried it once and hated it so it never was a problem for me.
 
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Yes, do it exactly like Lenny did, otherwise it won't work. :rolleyes:
 
Yeah, you don't have to listen to everyone on this board...

Sounds like you two are going about this in a super healthy way. But I know it's still painful, Ludlow.

Including tons of communication and reading together (here, books like "More Than Two" and "Opening Up"), I think it's a matter of figuring out what your comfort zone is, Ludlow, and what steps you can take just outside of it.

I don't know if it might be helpful to share bits of my journey, as it's slightly different, but I hope some parts resonate for you nevertheless. Feel free to read my first posts, if you'd find them useful - I received some great advice/support.

While I was already dating someone else at the time, I really struggled when Roger first started dating (and sharing sex for the first time) with Taylor. I felt sick to my stomach constantly, ruminating, varying between tearful and angry for a few weeks, and barely sleeping or eating. It was one of the most challenging times of my life. I got a lot of support here, through friends, and through my own therapist to figure out how to cope. (I was also told here "if you're feeling jealous/anxious, you aren't going succeed at this" by one poster. Bullshit...)

While we had been open for a few years, Roger had never dated someone (or shared sex) with anyone outside of our relationship. It all happened very quickly, for me, going from overt flirting to first date/sex to second date/already in love (they were good friends for a long time) within about a month.

About two weeks into that time, I got to a point where I felt like I just needed to jump into the deep end and face my fears by removing any rules we had about sharing sex (temporary rules to help me adjust, mind you). I did strongly believe in the idea of polyamory - heck, I was in love with two people at the same time myself, but somehow that made me feel worse (why is this so hard for me when Roger's been great all this time with me and Jack?).

So I picked a date for me to jump in, way outside my comfort zone, kissed Roger goodbye before his date (he and I had, again, temporarily agreed that he'd come home that night), and filled up as much of my time as I could that night. Planned a LDR date night with Jack, cried, felt insanely anxious, had a few (several...?) drinks (yeah, it worked out okay, but probably not the best coping strategy...), talked with my poly friend, and played video games to numb the time away. And it happened, and I survived, and then it started to be less and less painful as time progressed, and now (almost a year later), I can actually say that I'm okay with it. Sometimes compersive even.

The amount of personal growth and growth within both my relationships was tremendous. That in itself was worth the pain of facing my fears in a very real way, and probably the greatest benefit of polyamory in my life outside of my two loves.

Hope some of that connects for you. :eek:
 
Hi all,

Thank you all so much for your posts. xxxx

GalaGirl - the document on Jealousy is really great, It's a perfect tool for isolating the true underlying fears. I am then able to talk these things over with Dinham so she knows where to take extra measures to reassure me.

RE your recommendation for separate threads - I value sharing. We have nothing to hide from each other and hearing Dinham explain things to others actually helps reinforce things in my own head. Plus I feel immensely proud reading her stuff.

Len51 - Appreciate you mean well, but I suspect we are very different men.

Reflections - Your post was very touching. Your journey is exactly that which I hope to make. I know at intervals it will be very hard, but I think I may just get a better relationship from Dinham as a result. I am allowing her to be her true self without having to sacrifice my love or respect in the process. I see this as a great gift (though no more than she deserves) and the reward for me will be a greater closeness and intimacy. Fact of the matter is I love her immensely and so am willing to take on any problem in order to keep her close.
 
Glad you found my post helpful! :eek: I definitely believe that working through the uncomfortable emotions of Roger and Taylor dating has improved both of my relationships with my partners, as well as my relationship with myself.

I will say that as you probably know, opening up a relationship will magnify every tiny crack you have in your relationship. Roger and I went into this thinking we were quite solid together, only to find huge gaps in lots of areas. The lovely part about knowing about these cracks is you can work to fix them, but it doesn't take away the pain of finding them (and oftentimes stumbling over them many a time). And sometimes the cracks might just be too much that even all the glue in the world won't mend it, though it doesn't sound like either of you is there.

I think it was GalaGirl who once said that growth occurs just outside of the comfort zone. It is up to you, Ludlow, to figure out what that comfort zone is and how much stretching you feel able/willing to do. Dig down to what your fears are underneath the uncomfortable emotions and how you might address them.

One other piece of advice that may or may not be useful for you is set some boundaries around processing. I got to the point where all Roger and I did was process, to the detriment of quality time. It certainly reinforced my rumination as well. So we set up weekly relationship talks (that have continued to this day) where we have a bounded time to check in about these issues, while also not sacrificing our entire time together to these issues.

Make sure you can identify what YOUR needs are during this time and don't neglect them. You are giving a beautiful gift to your wife, but make sure you aren't lost in all of this two. It usually gets better with time, or at least it did for me. :eek:
 
Glad the link helps.

With the separate threads idea, I was thinking more of what might be easier for a reader to read or follow so you can hopefully get more feedback. Both could post and share on both threads.

But again... Use what ideas work from suggestions, and don't sweat the rest. :)

Galagirl
 
I find the idea of this man and my wife sharing intimate relations extremely painful. When I think of it I get a wrench in my gut. How do I diffuse these feelings? I don’t want to learn how to live with them, I wan’t to go beyond them, I want to be truly comfortable (so I can secure our future together and begin rebuilding my self confidence that is rock bottom).

I want to put an end to two years of hurt and anxiety. I want to be able to extend my wife the freedom she needs and in so doing secure our future together.

I am in the same place as you, and I only found this forum yesterday. I posted the details of my situation in a thread Mono/Non-Mono - Struggling to Accept. I have identified that my feelings of jealousy arise from fear that I will be deprived of her time and attention and fear that what makes our relationship special will be shared with or surpassed by another relationship that she has.

There are chapters in the book "Opening Up" that address jealousy, insecurity, and feeling excluded, and I have found those helpful in my struggle with jealousy. I have a long way to go. I struggle with acting quickly after the feelings come on. I try to recognize that it is a jealous feeling, determine what exactly I fear, think through the likelihood of each possible outcome, then decide what to do. However, it is hard to remember to do that in the heat of the moment when the feelings are coming on.

to be honest the subject is so much on my mind that I pretty much review things on an hour-by-hour basis.

I can tell you that I also review (obsess) on the situation, looking for a way to accept it and turn my attention to the other areas of my life that I have been neglecting. However, it gets to a point where I neglect the other areas of my life too much, which is not healthy for me.
 
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