Please Help... Jealousy and Resentment

mkjh

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Hoping for a little advice here. Sorry it’s such a long and complicated story, but I feel the details are specifically relevant here. I love my partner more than life itself. We will call her “T”. I feel like I’ve known her in every other life before this one (if that’s such a thing), and that somehow we will be together in every life after. Our love and partnership and communication have always been very natural. A few months into our relationship, she told me that she was poly, even though she was fresh out of a 10 year monogamous marriage. That before that marriage she had in fact been party to a polyamorous relationship that didn’t work out because of her own jealous feelings. I have always been monogamous myself, for no other reason I suppose than that’s what I had learned and knew.

The idea of a polyamorous relationship, after much discussion, didn’t seem unreasonable to me. I love her way too much to let an arbitrary social norm get in the way of our partnership. After she started engaging other partners, but before I found one, there were the normal and expected jealousy issues and feelings of insecurity that popped up, but we communicated openly with each other, I read tons of articles and books, and I spent quite a bit of time attempting to get to the root cause of my own insecurities to help eliminate the problem. I was actually doing pretty great with it for a while.

Then I found another partner. Lets call her “Kate”. At first “T” was supportive of things, even attempted to engage “Kate” in a friendship. We all went out together and met for drinks a few times. Everything seemed perfect. Chemistry all around. “Kate” and I were slow to physical intimacy. It took a few months, though in all fairness we only saw each other once every week or two. “T” was going through some emotionally difficult times, and I spent the vast majority of my time with her, comforting her, taking care of her. “T” felt bad that because of all of the time I had been spending with her, I had been neglecting developing my relationship with “Kate”, and on one of her better days, invited “Kate” over to her place for some group fun. Mind you, this was not only my first sexual encounter with “Kate”, but also my first threesome.

Everything seemed to go swimmingly. I thought that we all had fun, and that everything was fine. The next morning, after “Kate” left, “T” was in a worse mood than ever. Apparently, now “T” was feeling insecure and jealous because she felt like I was paying more attention to and more interested in “Kate” the night previous. Was I? I don’t know. Perhaps. I wasn’t really paying attention. My first sexual encounter with “Kate” and my first threesome in one night, I was a little overwhelmed. I tried to talk through the feelings of insecurity with “T”, but now all of a sudden my word was worthless. She was convinced that I was going to leave her for “Kate”, and that was it, no matter how much I reassured “T” of my love and devotion to her. I barely even spoke to “Kate” for weeks after that, it had become such a sore spot in our relationship.

After a few weeks of trying to reassure “T” that she was my love and priority, first and foremost, she decided that she just needed to get over it, and that I needed to continue spending time with “Kate” for that to happen. So I did. But things just got worse for “T”. Now all of a sudden, because she was still feeling insecure but wanted me to continue with “Kate”, the deal was that I had to give her every little detail of what “Kate” and I were planning or talking about, and wanted regular detailed updates while “Kate” and I were out. That’s what she said she needed to feel better about things. I attempted to accommodate, but it was never good enough. Some little detail would come out in conversation a few days later, and now I’m the bad guy for hiding and withholding information. I sincerely tried. Things went worse from there. “T” decided to talk to “Kate” about her feelings, and “Kate” didn’t want to deal with it all at the time as she was going through her own stuff. Nearly nuked both relationships. I hunkered down on my relationship with “T”, we talked a lot, worked through things, and several months later our relationship is stronger than it ever was before.

“T” has continued to explore new partnerships, with my encouragement, and has encouraged me to reach out to “Kate” again, even though through the previous crisis “T” and “Kate” had some words and even still refuse to have anything to do with each other. Both of them got hurt through this whole ordeal, and I did too. Add on to that, now “T” has done to me just about everything with her new partners that upset her so much when I made the same mistakes with “Kate”. But I’m just supposed to forgive those and move on, even though it caused weeks of turmoil between us because she couldn’t. Now I’m scared to even think about exploring other relationships for fear of something similar happening again. It’s not worth it to me. I’ve lived mono my whole life up until now. My drive and desire for other relationships doesn’t even come close to the fear and anxiety I have about causing both myself and the people I genuinely care about that kind of pain again. So I can be mono, she can be poly, and everything works out. I avoid the pain, she gets what she wants. Alas, no.

As she now continues to explore other relationships, I once again find myself having negative feelings about it. Only now, not only is it a jealousy that I can’t quite figure out the root cause of (more specifically related to physical intimacy than emotional), but I also feel some resentment towards “T” for it. Like she can have what she wants, and I will deal with my feelings about it in a way that doesn’t interfere with her other relationships; but I can’t have the same, even if I wanted it.

She says that she was going through some tough things at the time, that the situation was unique, and she didn’t handle it well. She’s asking me to give her another chance, to give being poly another chance. It feels like a trap. I don’t know that any potential gain from any other relationship is worth the time, effort, and resources necessary to find and develop another relationship, let alone being worth the risk of the pain and heartache it all caused the first time. I also know that if I can’t find some way to get past the jealousy and resentment, it will destroy the beautiful relationship we have built. Nothing will ever destroy my love for her, but I fear the relationship is doomed if I can’t figure my shit out. And that’s not okay with me. I tell her how I feel, and she gets frustrated because she doesn’t know how to help me either.

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated….
 
Unfortunately I don't really know of a good way to help you "get over" your feelings of jealousy and resentment. Wanting to forgive someone and move on and actually being able to do it are 2 different things. But I agree that if this relationship is going to work, regardless of whether you're mono or poly in it, you need to be able to forgive her for her behavior.

If you DO decide to keep with it and also give poly another shot, it will be important that you stand up for your own autonomy and force her to do her own emotional labor, the same way you've had to do. If she feels jealousy crop up, she can feel that all she wants, but she can't start making you give details of dates and set a bunch of rules for you. That's not her owning her jealousy, that's her controlling you.

It sounds like she had jealousy issues in her last relationship though too.... so maybe it's not a matter of her just also going through other things, but just that she wants to be able to be poly, but can't seem to handle having poly partners as well. Only way to know is to give it another shot... but that's also only something you should try if you TRULY want to have a poly relationship. Just because she dates multiple people that doesn't mean you HAVE to if you're happy just being mono and your needs are being met.

I can't see how reaching out to Kate is going to be that great since her and T still hate each other and Kate has already been burned by your dynamic twice. If you decide to try dating again, I'd suggest starting fresh.
 
Hoping for a little advice here. Sorry it’s such a long and complicated story, but I feel the details are specifically relevant here. I love my partner more than life itself. We will call her “T”. I feel like I’ve known her in every other life before this one (if that’s such a thing), and that somehow we will be together in every life after. Our love and partnership and communication have always been very natural. A few months into our relationship, she told me that she was poly, even though she was fresh out of a 10 year monogamous marriage. That before that marriage she had in fact been party to a polyamorous relationship that didn’t work out because of her own jealous feelings. I have always been monogamous myself, for no other reason I suppose than that’s what I had learned and knew.

The idea of a polyamorous relationship, after much discussion, didn’t seem unreasonable to me. I love her way too much to let an arbitrary social norm get in the way of our partnership. After she started engaging other partners, but before I found one, there were the normal and expected jealousy issues and feelings of insecurity that popped up, but we communicated openly with each other, I read tons of articles and books, and I spent quite a bit of time attempting to get to the root cause of my own insecurities to help eliminate the problem. I was actually doing pretty great with it for a while.

Then I found another partner. Lets call her “Kate”. At first “T” was supportive of things, even attempted to engage “Kate” in a friendship. We all went out together and met for drinks a few times. Everything seemed perfect. Chemistry all around. “Kate” and I were slow to physical intimacy. It took a few months, though in all fairness we only saw each other once every week or two. “T” was going through some emotionally difficult times, and I spent the vast majority of my time with her, comforting her, taking care of her. “T” felt bad that because of all of the time I had been spending with her, I had been neglecting developing my relationship with “Kate”, and on one of her better days, invited “Kate” over to her place for some group fun. Mind you, this was not only my first sexual encounter with “Kate”, but also my first threesome.

Everything seemed to go swimmingly. I thought that we all had fun, and that everything was fine. The next morning, after “Kate” left, “T” was in a worse mood than ever. Apparently, now “T” was feeling insecure and jealous because she felt like I was paying more attention to and more interested in “Kate” the night previous. Was I? I don’t know. Perhaps. I wasn’t really paying attention. My first sexual encounter with “Kate” and my first threesome in one night, I was a little overwhelmed. I tried to talk through the feelings of insecurity with “T”, but now all of a sudden my word was worthless. She was convinced that I was going to leave her for “Kate”, and that was it, no matter how much I reassured “T” of my love and devotion to her. I barely even spoke to “Kate” for weeks after that, it had become such a sore spot in our relationship.

After a few weeks of trying to reassure “T” that she was my love and priority, first and foremost, she decided that she just needed to get over it, and that I needed to continue spending time with “Kate” for that to happen. So I did. But things just got worse for “T”. Now all of a sudden, because she was still feeling insecure but wanted me to continue with “Kate”, the deal was that I had to give her every little detail of what “Kate” and I were planning or talking about, and wanted regular detailed updates while “Kate” and I were out. That’s what she said she needed to feel better about things. I attempted to accommodate, but it was never good enough. Some little detail would come out in conversation a few days later, and now I’m the bad guy for hiding and withholding information. I sincerely tried. Things went worse from there. “T” decided to talk to “Kate” about her feelings, and “Kate” didn’t want to deal with it all at the time as she was going through her own stuff. Nearly nuked both relationships. I hunkered down on my relationship with “T”, we talked a lot, worked through things, and several months later our relationship is stronger than it ever was before.

“T” has continued to explore new partnerships, with my encouragement, and has encouraged me to reach out to “Kate” again, even though through the previous crisis “T” and “Kate” had some words and even still refuse to have anything to do with each other. Both of them got hurt through this whole ordeal, and I did too. Add on to that, now “T” has done to me just about everything with her new partners that upset her so much when I made the same mistakes with “Kate”. But I’m just supposed to forgive those and move on, even though it caused weeks of turmoil between us because she couldn’t. Now I’m scared to even think about exploring other relationships for fear of something similar happening again. It’s not worth it to me. I’ve lived mono my whole life up until now. My drive and desire for other relationships doesn’t even come close to the fear and anxiety I have about causing both myself and the people I genuinely care about that kind of pain again. So I can be mono, she can be poly, and everything works out. I avoid the pain, she gets what she wants. Alas, no.

As she now continues to explore other relationships, I once again find myself having negative feelings about it. Only now, not only is it a jealousy that I can’t quite figure out the root cause of (more specifically related to physical intimacy than emotional), but I also feel some resentment towards “T” for it. Like she can have what she wants, and I will deal with my feelings about it in a way that doesn’t interfere with her other relationships; but I can’t have the same, even if I wanted it.

She says that she was going through some tough things at the time, that the situation was unique, and she didn’t handle it well. She’s asking me to give her another chance, to give being poly another chance. It feels like a trap. I don’t know that any potential gain from any other relationship is worth the time, effort, and resources necessary to find and develop another relationship, let alone being worth the risk of the pain and heartache it all caused the first time. I also know that if I can’t find some way to get past the jealousy and resentment, it will destroy the beautiful relationship we have built. Nothing will ever destroy my love for her, but I fear the relationship is doomed if I can’t figure my shit out. And that’s not okay with me. I tell her how I feel, and she gets frustrated because she doesn’t know how to help me either.

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated….





I personally do not think you need to figure your shit out its her that needs to do that. If she wants to be open ten you should have that option also.
If it's too much for her to handle then maybe she shouldn't be open. There needs to be a compromise or either way it will not work and will distort it self on its own with either the animosity or her jealousy.

I understand her feeling like she will lose you. That's a normal feeling. But there should be steps that both of you can take to make sure some of those feeling are lessened. But telling every little detail is not one of them. Trust me from experience it only creates more questions. She needs to find a way to step back and let you learn what you want on your own. But if it is a trap then that will happen anyway and honestly she may not even know it now.

My husband is starting to look into poly more and he told me that he is afraid of hurting me or making me mad. The only thing I can offer him is that if something is upsetting we will work through them. If it's too much of a stress then don't stress your self out doing it but if it's something you want own it and I can respect that.

I hope I have helped some. I feel your pain with opening up. It's almost like a Pandora's box. You really never know what will happen but it can also be super rewarding.
 
I am sorry you struggle.

I could be wrong in my guess. But to me it sounds like you are in a lopsided relationship. And it is starting to get to you.

You and T tried to practice poly together. T handled it poorly when you found your partner Kate. Lots of stuff, but basically not wanting to share you or your time.

Additionally, in this relationship you invest a lot of time and energy "propping T up" so T gets most of the receiving. Rather than T doing work on herself so she can stand on her own two feet. Why do you do this? :confused:

There was drama trying to practice "poly-poly." So then you think maybe it is better as a "mono-poly" arrangement. Where it is Open on T's side and you are Closed on your side and don't see other people so it is less stress and drama for you. You try that on for a while and come to realize you don't like that arrangement either. Because the relationship continues largely one-sided. You still keep putting in all the emotional support and work in, and she doesn't do her share. You sound like you are getting tired of this being so one-sided.

Like she can have what she wants, and I will deal with my feelings about it in a way that doesn’t interfere with her other relationships; but I can’t have the same, even if I wanted it.

You are correct. Lop-sided relationship there.

She says that she was going through some tough things at the time, that the situation was unique, and she didn’t handle it well. She’s asking me to give her another chance, to give being poly another chance. It feels like a trap.

It is fair for her to ask. She is not a mind reader.

It is also fair for you to give the straight up answer -- You are not willing to poly with T any more. Not willing to risk it again.

She doesn't sound like she's changed her emotional management behaviors. I could see why you are not eager for more of same. "Same old song, different day" does feel like a trap.

I also know that if I can’t find some way to get past the jealousy and resentment, it will destroy the beautiful relationship we have built.

Sounds like you are discovering that you are not willing to do "mono-poly" with T either if she's still going to be dumping her emotional management for YOU to do. That's not fair.

Nothing will ever destroy my love for her, but I fear the relationship is doomed if I can’t figure my shit out.

Could stop trying to be romantic partners and be friends instead. Allow the relationship to change shape again. It doesn't have to be "doom." But whatever the final relationship shape?

Where I see you could improve your skills is to learn to say "NO." She's never going to learn how to stand on her own feet if you forever keep propping her up. You could STOP doing all her emotional work for her and practice better boundaries around her.

I love my partner more than life itself.

I would prefer to hear you say you love your partner best after loving you. You have to love you first. Not because you are being selfish. But because it is NECESSARY in order to be healthy.

You can love your partner a whole lot -- even up to 49% of your love. But 51% of your love needs to be kept for YOU so you do not let your soft feelings for someone lead you down unhealthy paths. So if they ask unreasonable things of you, you are able to say "No. I love you a whole lot. But not even for you will I do something like that and hurt myself."

T keeps asking you unreasonable things, you keep doing them, and then later you resent T for asking rather than owning that you made some choices that you later regret. You do not HAVE to do what she says. You could choose to say "No, thank you."

“T” felt bad that because of all of the time I had been spending with her, I had been neglecting developing my relationship with “Kate”, and on one of her better days, invited “Kate” over to her place for some group fun.

When T felt guilty for hogging up all your time and offered group sex to assuage her guilt/show Kate up as being top dog in bed? That's not doing anything healthy for you. That her doing wonky stuff for her. You could have said "No, thank you. That is not appropriate."

The next morning, after “Kate” left, “T” was in a worse mood than ever... Apparently, now “T” was feeling insecure and jealous because she felt like I was paying more attention to and more interested in “Kate” the night previous... She was convinced that I was going to leave her for “Kate”, and that was it, no matter how much I reassured “T” of my love and devotion to her. I barely even spoke to “Kate” for weeks after that, it had become such a sore spot in our relationship.

It doesn't go how T thinks, and now she has a new load of emotions to process she cannot handle. She wants you to stop talking to Kate because she feels yucky and attend to her. You oblige.

Not sure how that is treating Kate or you well -- if you drop everything to do T's emotional management for her.

Now all of a sudden, because she was still feeling insecure but wanted me to continue with “Kate”, the deal was that I had to give her every little detail of what “Kate” and I were planning or talking about, and wanted regular detailed updates while “Kate” and I were out. That’s what she said she needed to feel better about things.

So T feels guilty again for hogging your time, and decides to assuage her guilt by "letting" you date Kate on the condition you tell every detail to her... why would you agree to that?

You could have said "No, thank you. If I am going to date Kate again, the only things I will be telling you will be basic sex health labs and calendar info. Every dyad needs a certain measure of privacy, respect, and separateness. You cannot be all up in the (me+ Kate) relationship. That's not appropriate. You would not want Kate all up in (you + me)."

“T” has continued to explore new partnerships, with my encouragement, and has encouraged me to reach out to “Kate” again, even though through the previous crisis “T” and “Kate” had some words and even still refuse to have anything to do with each other.

To me that sounds like another round of T feeling guilty that she gets to date how she pleases, and wanting to assuage her guilt by offering you something not so YOU feel better, but so SHE feels better.

To me you sound tired of the merry-go-round and want to step off the ride because you are burning out. I wonder if I guess right? :confused:

If so... Maybe practicing a friendship model is the model that fits you guys better. Then you can still care about and love each other, but WITH better boundaries and WITHOUT all this stressy stuff that T piles on you nay time she feels yucky.

In order to feel better, you are going to have to stop doing her work for her, and learn to say "NO." With love and kindness if you want, but still a firm NO.

You could guard against burn out and could take better care of yourself FIRST. Before you try to help others with their stuff. Just like putting your own oxygen mask on a plane first before trying to help other people. If you keel over from lack of an oxygen mask, it isn't like you could help people well or help many people anyway.

It is not selfish to care for you first. it is NECESSARY.

Galagirl
 
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Galagirl really has it right on the money with this one, and tbh it has made me think a little bit.

As someone who has been a bit like "T" in the past, I believe that a lot of what she's doing stems from insecurity. What was said above is also true. It's not you that needs to 'fix yourself', it's her. And this is coming from someone who is trying to become more secure themselves.
 
I think that it might benefit you to establish and maintain emotional boundaries in your relationship with T.

You need to establish what emotional support you are able to give happily. You also need to establish what you are willing to do in terms of poly, ex: share information, and what your expectations are in terms of each of you managing your own emotional baggage that might come up.
 
Hi mkjh,

I know that you do not want to hear that you should break up with T, but you should really consider it. T isn't being fair toward you, and you don't trust her anymore for good reason. But, assuming that's just out of the question, maybe you should try poly one more time and see what happens. If she freaks on you again, I would call it quits. Preferably meaning your relationship with T, call that quits, but if that's out of the question then call poly for you quits. On the other hand, maybe you don't want to go there at all in which case you should not do poly again, you should just try to put out the fire of your jealousy and resentment.

There is a book you can read, "The Jealousy Workbook: exercises and insights for managing open relationships," by Kathy Labriola. Maybe that would help. (And maybe T should read it too.)

Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
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