Poly, breakup, newborn baby

RiniDance

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Warning: long post. I have a lot on my mind and I'm not sure what to do.

Hi, everyone. I am new to polyamory and this forum. My boyfriend (although I consider him more) has given me this site to see if I can find answers in establishing the poly relationship that he desires.

Here's my situation. About this time last year, I was married to Bart. Then I met Noah, my current bf. He was also married, but in a poly relationship (or so it seemed) with his wife Belle. He also had another woman, Lisanne, that he was dating at that time.

Lo and behold, I came into his existence. He helped me realize how unhappy I was with my marriage to Bart, and pretty much proposed I move in with him and Belle when Bart left me.

Unfortunately, about the same time that Bart left me, Belle decided she could no longer be a part of Noah's poly life. Lisanne also decided she did not like me as part of the picture, and she left him too. This left us as two, Bart and me. He enjoyed our connection. It was a strong bond (until now).

About a month later, I found out I was pregnant. He had some trouble with this, as I was not supposed to get pregnant. (I have PCOS.) Also, he did not want kids. He made some adjustments and decided we could still be together. We moved in together in January.

During the pregnancy, being as emotional as I was, Bart and I really weren't seeking anyone else. We were both in the process of divorce. This has been quite the emotional trainwreck for both of us. A few weeks before the birth of my baby girl, Bart started getting restless and wanted more. He couldn't find anyone, until now.

As I am new to the concept of poly, I was not sure I could handle the jealousy that might arise. I was ok with the setup at the beginning. Now, here I am feeling like the startup to something that he wants eventually. Ideally, he would like several partners for himself, with two live-in partners for him, and someone else for me, too.

I am so lost and confused. Within the past month, he was invited to take part in a swingers video. I asked to watch him during this time and was given permission by the photographer. During that time, I found it intriguing and fun. I felt this was something that could continue. But maybe that was the problem. It was just sex, no emotional connection.

At that video session, I found another gentleman simply gorgeous. He seemed interested in me as well, but we did not talk about meeting up. After I told Noah about this as we were leaving, he was very interested in setting something up almost immediately. He wants me to be involved with others. But I was sensing that this would be more of a casual playtime for me/us, which I haven't done before. I don't believe I am looking for any secondary relationships at this time. But if something were to develop from it, I would definitely give it a try.

In the past week, all the complications set in. Noah has found another interest (Maeve). He started by talking to her on a dating site. They seemed to have a lot in common and decided to meet up. Unfortunately, I was told about this the night before their date. I felt betrayed, as he did not tell me about her before. That same night, while talking about his proposed date, he told me that he'd invited her to come over the next evening to meet me,and to see where both of our relationships would go.

Needless to say, I freaked out! :eek: I told him I was not ready for him to have those kind of feelings for another woman. I had figured we were in this together, and would meet potentials as a couple, and let it fan out from there. We talked about things the next day and seemed to have found middle ground.

The next day, after meeting Noah's potential Maeve, we had set up the date with the guy (Artie) from the video session. Things went great! :) I was seeing that something might take place and was interested in proceeding. It was a good night.

The next morning, we decided we needed some time for us. However, during this "us" time, he got a call from Maeve, and immediately set up a date with her for that evening without talking to me. I was crushed. :( He didn't talk to me about it until afterwards and I was starting to feel left out. When he came home that evening, he confessed he made out with her. Now I definitely feel left out, in that he did not tell me anything of the sort would have happened. He knew I was hurt that he set up that meeting without letting me know beforehand, and yet he kissed her that same night.

I'm almost to the point of moving out. He says I'm not ready. I feel like I would like to experience this still, but I need that full communication as to when he has meetups and what may happen at the beginning. I'm hurt at the moment. He wants to proceed very quickly in this area, and I am a beginner. I'm feeling jeaousy and insecurities.

Maeve was nice enough, but I don't see us becoming great friends.

Also, I made a big slipup tonight. I told my mom about the type of relationship we are in. She flipped out and told me she never wanted to see Noah again, that he is no longer welcome in her home. He is the father of my baby girl. I can't take this!

What do I do? It's evening and I think he wants me moved out tomorrow. Is it better that way, since I can not be at the level he needs me to be at? How do I proceed with my parents not wanting him at their house when he is the father of their grandchild? HELP!! I don't want this to be the end.
 
Why the hell can't he slow down a little for you? Is he that immature that he has to have everything he wants right now, no delays and no negotiations? It sounds to me like he's the one not ready for poly. It takes a lot of empathy for your partner and a lot of patience to do poly responsibly, and he's not showing any of those things. What you're asking for, foreknowledge of dates for example, is *not* unreasonable.

And what's up with him pushing you into new sexual situations so quickly? Is this just a kink for him? Again, by not moving at your pace he's showing a lack of respect.

Parents sometimes take a while to come around. Your mom will almost certainly change her mind over time when she sees the loving, strong role he plays as a partner, father, amd supporter... *if* he can learn a little more care with his actions, that is.
 
"What do I do? I think he wants me moved out tomorrow."

What the heck? Are you choosing to move out, or is he kicking you (the mother of his newborn child) out? Why such a drastic choice, when you could just take a break from all this for a week and talk out boundaries and timelines like adults?
 
This is ridiculous. The baby should be both of your concern right now. I can not see how anything else matters right now. He obviously does not realize this, or care. Of course you aren't ready. You have just undergone the biggest life-changing event a woman could possibly endure. You likely need time for that. Like three years!
 
Lack of communication. Common issue, but absolutely deadly. If he's not giving you the communication and speed that you require, then you're going to have to be the one that fronts up and starts talking to him about it.

I can't make any judgements on the situation because the two of you aren't talking about it. No boundaries have been set, no limits, no plans. This is a recipe for disaster. Start talking!
 
Thanks, Redpepper. The problem is, he originally didn't want the baby. Now that she's here, well, he's just having lots of problems. He isn't feeling a full connection to her. He doesn't want to put the time in to let her get comfortable with him.

Now he blames me for saying I was somewhere further along through my emotions and what I wanted, as if I lied to him about a poly relationship. He is not willing to wait any longer. He is not willing to let this other relationship go either, even though it is at the beginning phase. He's only known her for two weeks.

This month would have been our one-year anniversary. Now I'm not sure that's going to happen.

I can not seem to get through to him that I've been through a major time and change due to the pregnancy. Now I have our child to care for.

Am I wrong in asking for time?

He wants to set a timeframe on this, because of a previous relationship going downhill, because he wanted a poly relationship with her. Now, he's saying I'm saying the same things. But I'm not. I'm simply asking for him to calm down and give me time.

Was I wrong in asking for him to simply talk to the new girl only, and not meet her in person until we got things settled properly?
 
I'm so sorry this happened to you! You were just starting out with Noah, and you hadn't tried poly yet when you got pregnant. I'm pregnant now too. I know what it's like. It's so tiring.

And you were going through a divorce.

You don't feel supported by Noah in any of this.

So first, big hugs. Congratulations on the birth of your daughter.

Noah is pushing you into dating other people because he wants to be able to date other people without feeling guilty about it. But he's missed that the important thing isn't that you have another guy as a distraction. The important thing is that you feel secure and loved. A new boyfriend for you doesn't "balance out" a new girlfriend for him. A new girlfriend for him can only be balanced out by his actions towards you: being considerate, being open and honest, spending romantic time with you, spending time being a dad to give you a break, etc.

He's not doing that. He's just adding extra stress into a new mom's life and expecting you to deal. Tell him to come read our replies and shape up. Polyamory isn't impossible for you two. But he's going to have to be a little gentler.
 
Am I wrong in asking for time? He wants to set a timeframe on this, because of a previous relationship going downhill, because he wanted a poly relationship with her. Now, he's saying I'm saying the same things. But I'm not. I'm simply asking for him to calm down and give me time. Was I wrong in asking for him to simply talk to the new girl, and not meet up in person until we got things settled properly?

You're not wrong. You're being completely reasonable in asking for time. And a timeframe is, you say, what he wants! It just seems like he wants it to be his timeline, not your timeline, or a compromise.

Maybe he misrepresented those past relationships. Maybe they all ended for the same reason -- that he was simply too demanding, inflexible, and unempathetic. Honestly, I'm sure the idea of parting ways with the father of your child must be terribly hard, but the fact that he doesn't want to take the time to get to know his own child, well, that's not exactly a "partner", is it?
 
Ugh, he's acting extremely selfishly. I'm agree with Redpepper-- this is the time for bonding with the new baby! If contraception failed (or you both made the choice not to use any), this child is just as much his responsibility as it is yours.

He just wants to go out and shag whoever, whenever. You'd planned a nice evening at home, and instead he made a date and went out? Unacceptable, and not good poly practice.

You've been through a divorce, and pregnancy, and birth, and now you have a newborn!

I just want to say, dump him. He is not acting in a loving respectful manner at all. Go home to your parents, take care of your daughter, and make sure he's giving you child support. You were both swept up in NRE (new relationship energy), moved in together way too soon, now his lust for you has lessened and he just wants to tomcat around. You and the new baby (his own child, btw) are cramping his style! What immature heartless behavior. Maybe he's a narcissist.
 
Thank you for the support. I know this is just my side of the story. I try to explain things to him, but it seems he always misinterprets due to the current situations. Maybe a break would be best.

As for my daughter, I love her! I want the best for her. Right now, I'm not getting that from her father.

(He has health issues too, which I hadn't mentioned before.)

The problem is, he is only willing to give me a break from our baby when I need sleep. I change her, feed her, bathe her, talk to her, love her all the time. I had to ask him about this. He never seems to take an interest in her. He only takes her when I'm at the breaking point. 😭

It has been a rough year, with divorce for both of us, new pregnancy, moving in together (probably way too soon -- I agree with you, Magdlyn), and being a new mom now. I'm still learning! Within that first week he expected me to know her cries, to know what to do. I've never been around newborns. It's a steep learning curve.

I feel rushed in all my actions. I'm expected to learn something and improve all at once, in no time. I agree with him. It takes extremes sometimes to make me do something, but he hadn't asked me properly for something he'd like done.

He says he cannot give me a commitment to know I'm a high priority in his life, or to just feel secure in our relationship. He just says things like "For the moment," and, "Nothing's a guarantee." That hurts.

Now, in the midst of all this, I will be returning to work in a week. I hate my job right now, and being in this situation isn't making things any easier for me. *sigh*

Finally he brought up something. When I went through my divorce, my ex left me with a good deal of debt that he was supposed to help me with. He didn't. My current bf now apparently brings this up as "security" for me, saying he pays the rent, gets the groceries, pays for everything. This is NOT true. Although my income has been extremely limited, I still contribute what I can.

Maybe I'm fighting a lost cause. I will ask him to read this thread though.

Thank you everyone, *hugs* I'm finding it easier to get my emotions out here and to get suggestions.

Also as an update, I did move out today, or rather, mostly moved out. I am now living with my parents. I'm saddened that I had to go this route.

I still love him. I just want to feel secure and loved by him so that we can enjoy this lifestyle together. I really would not mind him having a girlfriend. It just came as a shock as he told me one thing, then excelled the process extremely fast for me without letting me know exactly where they were and what was happening. He won't let me say the process was fast. He just keeps telling me he made a mistake. And still, he continues to move things ahead with her. :(
 
Within that first week he expected me to know her cries, to know what to do.

Woah! Well, not even the baby knows what it's crying about that first week!

He says he cannot give me a commitment to know I'm a high priority in his life, or to just feel secure in our relationship.

Ouch. This man is not planning to stay with you. Why should you go through the trouble of negotiating a poly relationship with him if he's made it clear he's just looking for something "better"? (Easier, really.)

Saying he pays the rent, gets the groceries, pays for everything. This is NOT true. Although my income has been extremely limited, I still contribute what I can.

Well, you've moved out now, so that should be less of a problem. If you do move back in, work out an actual budget with reasonable contributions for both of you, so that you both know you're doing your part.

For now, sue for child support. I'm not kidding. You're not really together, are you? You don't live with him. He needs to support his kid regardless of how you guys are doing, relationship-wise.
 
I agree with what others have said. You know that 'he's just not that into you' book? It looks like he's just not that into you, or more importantly, not into his daughter either, which is a tragedy.

It's not about him dating other women, it's about providing you with partnership, love and support. That soon after the birth of a child, a good man assists the mother of his baby as fully as he can, and does everything he can for his child. Being a father may not be what he wanted, but you didn't plan it either, and you're meeting your commitment to her. Fatherhood is independent of who you're sleeping with. It's a commitment he can't and shouldn't get out of. If he won't pay with time and attention, he can at least pay child support. I know you don't want to fight with him when you're still hoping he'll come around, but I think you need to do it for your and your daughter's long-term welfare. And your ex-husband too. Perhaps your parents will help you pay for a lawyer to settle up with both of these rotten excuses for men.

I know it's hard, especially when you want him to love your daughter (and you), but it looks like it's not in him. He may just be that selfish, in which case you're well shut of him. I suspect once you've had some time on your own, you'll get in touch with your own anger about all this and find an easier time fighting for what you need and what is fair. He's not the only guy in the world.
 
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