She ended things, but I don't want it to be over

I'm working on that. But in many ways she hasn't been clear at all, even using qualifying statements like "right now."
To me, this sounds like her placating you, to not rock the boat. Some people do this in an attempt to soften the blow, but all it gives is false hope to the person receiving it.

When things are over, a person HAS to say IT’S OVER, and mean it. Say nothing else and give nothing that implies to the other person that maybe there's a chance. Just say it's over and stop all contact (unless it's really important info regarding the kids).


focus on me and what I want, which is difficult when what I want is a relationship
Focus on what you want OUTSIDE OF THIS RELATIONSHIP. You need to let her go in your mind.

I can't accept that we are over.
As long as you think this way you will be torturing yourself. Do you deserve that torture? You are only hurting yourself. What do you have to gain by hurting yourself? What do you hope will happen by torturing yourself in this way? Do you maybe think that if she sees how tortured you are over this breakup she will concede to try again? Maybe you need her to say to you that she is done, and will never be with you romantically ever again. Ask her to say that to you, if it's true. You might need that to start transitioning and letting go of the hope you have.

I can see that you are really struggling with this. I do hope you find inner peace with this very difficult life transition.
 
Thank you for more information. I do sympathize.

Grief is hard. You WILL feel like you are just "going through the motions" with a lot of things, at the beginning of the grieving process. Going emotionally numb or "feeling empty" is sometimes part of it too. You seem to understand you are feeling a lot of things, all up and down.

I encourage you to see a new counselor when you are able to do so. I hope you are also seeing someone for the ADHD stuff. Sometimes ADHD also comes with rejection-sensitive dysphoria (RSD). I don't know if you have that going on, affecting or amplifying things.

You remind me of one of my exes. When we broke up he was so determined not to accept it that he ruined any chance of us getting back together later, because he would NOT give me any space when I needed it and asked for it. He said he would do anything, but he would not do the think I asked-- give me some space. I felt suffocated. If he had LISTENED and taken a step back to work on himself and his issues, I would have been more more open to trying again with him. Instead, he wanted to latch onto me like I was his life raft. It was a huge turn-off.

I don't know if that is happening here. But if you want a shot at getting back together later on, don't do behaviors out of short-sightedness, anxiety or grief that take reconciliation off the table. Slow your roll.

That doesn't include the disregarding of the way I love someone who is important to me, more than important.

Love her all you want in your head and your heart, but figure out DIFFERENT ways to behave, as her ex. Listen to what your old counselor said.
My therapist's only decent advice on the matter is about behaving now in a way that future me could look back on and be proud of.

Tread with caution here. Hanging about and taking whatever scraps Apple offers is not dignified behavior and could be a turn-off to her. It could also hinder your ability to process your grief well. This can become a "domino effect" that makes getting back together impossible.

Besides our child, I see no real tangle that I wouldn't be willing to adjust, at any point and in any form of relationship.

Then maybe right now you could talk about not living together for a year. Still being roomies is an entanglement. You two may not be in a good place to be roomies right now.

If anyone has advice on reconciliation, I would love to hear it.
You are NOT in a poly network with Apple anymore. You two are broken up, and are just sorting out the divorce details. I see you hope to get back together again, even if not in a marriage shape. You can state that, over time, you would be open to getting back together romantically, but not deal in marriage any more. But don't keep harping on it. Once is enough. Don't hover or cling. That will just annoy her.

It is really hard for me to go into polyamory with my best friend and partner, when they start that whole journey by leaving me.

Did/do you have abandonment issues you need to work on with a counselor? If so, attend to this stuff. It will block you from getting back together later if you still haven't sorted it out. Don't let this carry into new romantic relationships either.

They have said it is nothing to do with polyamory, or my ADHD, but have only cited circumstances that honestly are related to those things.

Even if you both continue poly dating, you are no longer poly partners with each other. There is your (potential) poly network here, and her network over there, and that's it. The most she can offer right now is friendship, and she might not even be at the place to offer good friendship yet. This break-up JUST happened. She has her own grieving to do.

Because you live in this house and have to coparent, and Apple is grieving the break-up, and doesn't want to get sucked into your emotional stuff, she may be giving you "soft answers" because she doesn't know the future, and/or just wants to get you off her back for a bit. If you are hovering, and Apple is saying "right now," so it is both true AND "softens" the blow, that's what she's gonna do to try to get you to give her some EMOTIONAL SPACE, since she cannot have physical space away from you. Are you able to see that?

Even if the ultimate goal is cohabitation to make coparenting easier, you two might talk about a year of living apart, so you both get some space to heal from the break-up-- mental space, emotional space, and physical space, and so she can SEE that you are trying new things, trying to make changes, trying to stand on your own two feet more and need her less.

You could also reimagine what "living together" looks like. In the same duplex? In the same building, but different flats? You may not be ready to think about all of this because the split just happened. But don't take it off the table.

I'm simply trying to figure out how I'm going to process this transition, and what I can do to legitimately end up with her again as I would like to. I'm not suggesting I can, not it's also not impossible. She and I have not played this long because we handled our relationship like everyone else. If there's an exception here, we're capable of it.

Sometimes people divorce and remarry. I know two couples who did that, so I'm not going to say it's impossible. But these couples who got back together all spent some time living on their own first.

If you hope to have a shot at that, you have to stand on your own two feet more. You say she's your best friend... but how about leaning on OTHER friends for a bit, NOT on HER? Your soon-to-be-ex (STBX) is not the right person to lean on for help with break-up grief. They have their own grief to process.

You think some of this was your approach to poly and your misunderstanding of communication, honesty, and transparency. Possibly you overshared or overdid it. Well, work on that then. It can't hurt. And you are still poly-dating, so you need to improve your poly skills anyway.

You think some of it was your ADHD dx. It's new to you and you are trying to learn how to manage it. Well, work on that then. That won't hurt. Regardless of whom you are dating, you will have to learn to manage your ADHD stuff.

I'm becoming pretty aware that "right now" is not the window of opportunity for the future as it sounds.

All "right now" means is "at the present time." If you are hearing additional words in your head like, "But later on we can get back together," YOU are adding words that were not spoken, from your own wishful thinking.

That's not how I see it. It's more a desire to understand history so I don't repeat it. I learned the concept growing up and it became super important to me because of ADHD and finding myself in the position of having gone overboard and not noticing how I ruined things for everyone, when only moments ago I thought we were all having fun. I have some things I resent happening, but I'm happy to forgive everything. I just want to understand what I'm forgiving.
Some of the people with ADHD in my life have this issue. Overthinking something is part of their whole "going overboard" package-- the "original" going overboard, and then a second wave of going overboard by overthinking, in the quest to never repeat it again. It's a tall order to "never" do something. It's easier and kinder to yourself to think, "All right. I'm not going to do that again on purpose, but if it does happen somehow, by mistake, I will cope by doing X."

ADHD often comes with some perfectionism and guilt/shame spiraling. If you have any of these exacerbating symptoms, you might reflect on what to do about them.

I hope things get better for you bit by bit. It's fine to want to be present for both Sunshine and Apple as a decent coparent. Just don't neglect showing up for your OWN self.

Really think about getting a counselor as soon as you can.

Galagirl
 
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To me, this sounds like her placating you to not rock the boat. Some people do this in an attempt to soften the blow, but all it does is give false hope to the person receiving it.
I agree. I'm going to have a talk with her about it, so hope is removed, if she's not intending on it being there.
Focus on what you want OUTSIDE OF THIS RELATIONSHIP. You need to let her go in your mind.
What I want outside the relationship is the same as it was before the break-up. I want to heal from my issues so I can be my best self and be the best I can for my family. That's not different, but my family is suddenly different. That's the problem.
As long as you think this way you will be torturing yourself. Do you deserve that torture?
I might think I deserve that torture. I hold responsibly in part for the making of and breaking of a relationship. This person feels that they need to end our marriage. Therefore, I was not my best self for her. She has a reason to see her life as better without me, despite the fact I intend to never be in the way of her life being anything she wants. Still, what she wants is not me. So... yeah. I think torture is just part and parcel, at this point

Do you think that if she sees how tortured you are over this break-up she will concede to try again?

No, I wouldn't think that. That's self-deprecating and manipulative. I don't treat people that way and hate manipulative behaviour. If she wants to try again, it should be because she sees a reason to try again, with full agency and consent, not from my manipulations or tricks.

Maybe you need her to say to you that she is done and will never be with you romantically ever again. Ask her to say that to you, if it's true. You might need that to start transitioning and letting go of the hope you have.

I'm going to do this. It's just hard to prepare yourself for an additional blow to your emotions.


I can see that you are really struggling with this. I do hope you find inner peace with this very difficult life transition.
Thank you. I'm not sure how to find peace with it yet, as I don't hold much of a view of the future in general, and the one constant I did have for it has now been taken from me. I'll find peace at some point.
 
*Update* I had a talk with her and got some clarity on hope. Not surprisingly, she did the same thing she tends to do, which is to be clear yet confusing. Essentially, she told me it's over, but also that while she had no thought towards the matter, she can imagine a fantasy where we run into each other in a bar one day 5 years from now, after "learning everything we needed to learn."

I thanked her for being vulnerable and willing to share (since that's something she's just not been able/comfortable to do in a long time) and that I unfortunately can't offer her my friendship, as it's too saturated in my love for her.

So even though she hasn't really embellished on what she meant by this, we're going to focus on being co-parents. Personally, I don't think that's something that needs "work," because I'll always be the best dad I can be for my child. She's never going to be without a healthy example of a parent from me. I don't see a world where either of us will be anything but great parents. So wherever she means by "good co-parents", from what I can tell, is just about her feeling like we're covering each other enough to have social lives. I don't know. Either way, I'll be trying to limit communication to child-related matters and things. It's going to be difficult, because both of us obviously want friendship.

I'm also uncomfortable with the idea of not being friends. STBX and I both have plenty of history in that way. But I have lots of self care and development to do and I can't do it with this all hanging over me.

Thanks for the advice and compassion, all. I'm sure I haven't always shown it, because this whole thing has had me in so many emotions. I really appreciate knowing that this community is here and has supported me throughout this.
 
I wish you the best. I hope you are able to work through your feelings as quickly as possible, to find that happy place of finding new love(s) for yourself and being happy co-parenting with her without the hurt.
 
I wish you the best. I hope you are able to work through your feelings as quickly as possible for you to find that happy place of finding new love(s) for yourself and being happy co-parenting with her without the hurt.
Thanks, Bobbi.

I actually have a partner currently who has been ridiculously supportive of me throughout this. They are having somewhat similar experiences with their nesting partner.

I am concerned about the co-parenting somewhat, because it feels false and disingenuous to me. It's not the family I signed on for, so I hopefully will come around to that sooner than later. I don't want to have to spilt up. I'd feel so bad for my daughter having to experience that. I'll need to work on boundaries, cos I lack experience there. The same for STBX. But I'll figure it out, I guess.

I don't like the idea of love being treated as so disposable though. Relationships and people and feelings...it's why polyamory appeals to me in my core. I have love for so many. It doesn't go the opposite direction for me. I can't cut it off. I don't believe my ability to love works like that. It's not an "on/off" thing. But I can learn to transform, it I think.
 
Going from lovers to friends takes work. There is a certain way to do it with the least pain. This is how:

Go "no contact" for 40 days. In your case, living together will make that harder, but what you need to do is spend as much time as possible in different rooms. Don't sit together on the couch watching TV of an evening. Each of you goes to separate rooms in the house. Hopefully you have established separate bedrooms. If there are only 2 bedrooms, you could even take turns sleeping in your toddler's room with her.

Since you have another partner, maybe you could go to her place more often. And/or you could spend time taking a trip to see other friends for a bit. Distract yourself. Create physical distance.

No talking to each other unless it's about the kid. You seem to understand this.

Put the 40 days on your calendar. This has been experienced by thousands to be the minimum amount of days for some healing and separation to begin.

Maybe at the end of those 40 days, try to do a family date together, go to a park, or a kid's event, or to get a snack or something. See how this goes. If it gets ugly, retreat again for 2-3 more weeks. The whole point is for the romance and yearning (especially on your part, it seems) to die down.

Only when you feel able to, basically, live without her, will you be able to return to being platonic friends. You just can't jump right into friends after being romantic partners. It just doesn't work that way.
 
Going from lovers to friends takes work. There is a certain way to do it with the least pain. This is how:

Go "no contact" for 40 days. In your case, living together will make that harder, but what you need to do is spend as much time as possible in different rooms. Don't sit together on the couch watching TV of an evening. Each of you goes to separate rooms in the house. Hopefully you have established separate bedrooms. If there are only 2 bedrooms, you could even take turns sleeping in your toddler's room with her.

Since you have another partner, maybe you could go to her place more often. And/or you could spend time taking a trip to see other friends for a bit. Distract yourself. Create physical distance.

No talking to each other unless it's about the kid. You seem to understand this.

Put the 40 days on your calendar. This has been experienced by thousands to be the minimum amount of days for some healing and separation to begin.

Maybe at the end of those 40 days, try to do a family date together, go to a park, or a kid's event, or to get a snack or something. See how this goes. If it gets ugly, retreat again for 2-3 more weeks. The whole point is for the romance and yearning (especially on your part, it seems) to die down.

Only when you feel able to, basically, live without her, will you be able to return to being platonic friends. You just can't jump right into friends after being romantic partners. It just doesn't work that way.
I did this without knowing to do it. I just felt I had to fully grieve the relationship and the imagined future i had looked forward to. Having that separation did let me feel it all and work through it. For me, being apart from someone also creates comfort in being apart from them and helps become comfortable with the distance in the relationship.

I don't like the idea of love being treated as so disposable though. Relationships and people and feelings...it's why polyamory appeals to me in my core. I have love for so many. It doesn't go the opposite direction for me. I can't cut it off. I don't believe my ability to love works like that. It's not an "on/off" thing. But I can learn to transform, it I think
It’s not disposable. You will always love her and nobody is saying to stop. Just transform that love into a different kind. A familial kind maybe, like what you feel for a non romantic family member. Less codependent and more fluid. It would be nice to be in a place where you love her in a way where her being happy makes you truly happy. Where you too can be happy without her.
 
Thank you for more information. I do sympathize.

Grief is hard. You WILL feel like you are just "going through the motions" with a lot of things, at the beginning of the grieving process. Going emotionally numb or "feeling empty" is sometimes part of it too. You seem to understand you are feeling a lot of things, all up and down.

I encourage you to see a new counselor when you are able to do so. I hope you are also seeing someone for the ADHD stuff. Sometimes ADHD also comes with rejection-sensitive dysphoria (RSD). I don't know if you have that going on, affecting or amplifying things.

You remind me of one of my exes. When we broke up he was so determined not to accept it that he ruined any chance of us getting back together later, because he would NOT give me any space when I needed it and asked for it. He said he would do anything, but he would not do the think I asked-- give me some space. I felt suffocated. If he had LISTENED and taken a step back to work on himself and his issues, I would have been more more open to trying again with him. Instead, he wanted to latch onto me like I was his life raft. It was a huge turn-off.

I don't know if that is happening here. But if you want a shot at getting back together later on, don't do behaviors out of short-sightedness, anxiety or grief that take reconciliation off the table. Slow your roll.



Love her all you want in your head and your heart, but figure out DIFFERENT ways to behave, as her ex. Listen to what your old counselor said.


Tread with caution here. Hanging about and taking whatever scraps Apple offers is not dignified behavior and could be a turn-off to her. It could also hinder your ability to process your grief well. This can become a "domino effect" that makes getting back together impossible.



Then maybe right now you could talk about not living together for a year. Still being roomies is an entanglement. You two may not be in a good place to be roomies right now.


You are NOT in a poly network with Apple anymore. You two are broken up, and are just sorting out the divorce details. I see you hope to get back together again, even if not in a marriage shape. You can state that, over time, you would be open to getting back together romantically, but not deal in marriage any more. But don't keep harping on it. Once is enough. Don't hover or cling. That will just annoy her.



Did/do you have abandonment issues you need to work on with a counselor? If so, attend to this stuff. It will block you from getting back together later if you still haven't sorted it out. Don't let this carry into new romantic relationships either.



Even if you both continue poly dating, you are no longer poly partners with each other. There is your (potential) poly network here, and her network over there, and that's it. The most she can offer right now is friendship, and she might not even be at the place to offer good friendship yet. This break-up JUST happened. She has her own grieving to do.

Because you live in this house and have to coparent, and Apple is grieving the break-up, and doesn't want to get sucked into your emotional stuff, she may be giving you "soft answers" because she doesn't know the future, and/or just wants to get you off her back for a bit. If you are hovering, and Apple is saying "right now," so it is both true AND "softens" the blow, that's what she's gonna do to try to get you to give her some EMOTIONAL SPACE, since she cannot have physical space away from you. Are you able to see that?

Even if the ultimate goal is cohabitation to make coparenting easier, you two might talk about a year of living apart, so you both get some space to heal from the break-up-- mental space, emotional space, and physical space, and so she can SEE that you are trying new things, trying to make changes, trying to stand on your own two feet more and need her less.

You could also reimagine what "living together" looks like. In the same duplex? In the same building, but different flats? You may not be ready to think about all of this because the split just happened. But don't take it off the table.



Sometimes people divorce and remarry. I know two couples who did that, so I'm not going to say it's impossible. But these couples who got back together all spent some time living on their own first.

If you hope to have a shot at that, you have to stand on your own two feet more. You say she's your best friend... but how about leaning on OTHER friends for a bit, NOT on HER? Your soon-to-be-ex (STBX) is not the right person to lean on for help with break-up grief. They have their own grief to process.

You think some of this was your approach to poly and your misunderstanding of communication, honesty, and transparency. Possibly you overshared or overdid it. Well, work on that then. It can't hurt. And you are still poly-dating, so you need to improve your poly skills anyway.

You think some of it was your ADHD dx. It's new to you and you are trying to learn how to manage it. Well, work on that then. That won't hurt. Regardless of whom you are dating, you will have to learn to manage your ADHD stuff.



All "right now" means is "at the present time." If you are hearing additional words in your head like, "But later on we can get back together," YOU are adding words that were not spoken, from your own wishful thinking.


Some of the people with ADHD in my life have this issue. Overthinking something is part of their whole "going overboard" package-- the "original" going overboard, and then a second wave of going overboard by overthinking, in the quest to never repeat it again. It's a tall order to "never" do something. It's easier and kinder to yourself to think, "All right. I'm not going to do that again on purpose, but if it does happen somehow, by mistake, I will cope by doing X."

ADHD often comes with some perfectionism and guilt/shame spiraling. If you have any of these exacerbating symptoms, you might reflect on what to do about them.

I hope things get better for you bit by bit. It's fine to want to be present for both Sunshine and Apple as a decent coparent. Just don't neglect showing up for your OWN self.

Really think about getting a counselor as soon as you can.

Galagirl
I really appreciate you week thought it advice here, thank you
 
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