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Solus

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This is my first post on this board, and it is a doozy- I apologize in advance.


I am married. Last year my husband and I almost divorced. I became involved with my boyfriend. My husband and I started to get back on the same page. Then he found out about my bf. He confronted me about the affair and we talked and decided to remain together. Shortly thereafter he suggested that because bf and I had such a unique and strong bond that maybe no one had to lose anyone they loved and maybe we should try poly (as a V). We all agreed we had no interest in being open. So this was the merging of two already established relationships.

Because of children and custody cycles, bf could only live here every other week. On the off weeks we would try to get together several times during the week. We would have regular meetings to determine how schedules were going and what would need to be adjusted so everyone could feel better. My bf HATES being alone, has serious anxiety about it (had never lived on his own before, basically went right from parents home to home with wife). Almost always bf would be having some sort of blow up or melt down before we would even get to the next meeting, so we would scramble to make more adjustments.

Through all this I have been trying to talk with bf about all the suggestions someone struggling with being alone usually receive. Take up a hobby, make some friends, he wanted to learn guitar so I encouraged that, making his own place homey and comfortable- basically I was totally shut down and told he isn't interested in making his alone time better his solution is to never be alone. Very early on he started talking about adding a 4th. This conversation was very volatile for us because I didn't even see us as stable at that point...every two weeks there seemed to be a meltdown. I would ask him to try the new schedules, just let them go through long enough to see if they worked as the new normal (you know- understand what they are beyond the uncomfortable transition stage)...that just ticked him off.

Anyway....follow that cycle all the way through to November with Bf continually getting more and more time with me but never really shutting up about the 4th. In Sept I had told him I didn't want to hear it again. In Sept and Oct he was unemployed and because my job is flexible he was able to spend a ton of time with me. He was offered a job in November and started getting anxious about not spending time with me before he even started. Because of his new work schedule we had all agreed that we would meet on Saturday (following the week he started) to evaluate the new schedule and determine what changes were going to need to be made.

He didn't even make it through that week, he blew up on thursday saying that if he didn't get what he wanted in the meeting that it wouldn't go well, that he wasn't going to settle for less than half any more. Then he also threw in that he wanted a fourth and she would be his primary (that tore my guts out). He later retracted she would be his primary and said he was hopeful she would spend more time with my hubby so bf could have more time with me. He said later he was just giving me a heads up what he would be asking for in the meeting so I would have a chance to process it and not have it blow up the meeting. That's not true, he was in a total anxiety driven meltdown.

We had our meeting, got as close to a 50/50 schedule as possible, I spend every other night with him. I asked him if we could table talk of the 4th until after the holidays- that would give us a month to try it and not have anything crazy during the holidays. He agreed, we would do the month then evaluate it.

He didn't make it two weeks. He blew up again, demanded a 4th or he was out. I was devastated again. I felt betrayed. I began to realize he was never entering any schedule in good faith, this was always going to be his only answer, he never wanted any other thing to work so he never really tried. I didn't want to lose him, he and I shared a very special emotional and sexual bond that was like nothing I have ever known. But with all of this, and my resentments about how everything came about our connection is terribly damaged.

SO I have been so devastated by this that I haven't slept a full night in over a month, I have started losing weight (not necessarily a bad thing) I am in constant inner turmoil and I cannot figure out how to move forward. I love him so much. I doubt we can ever be what we once were.

He says I am not willing to do what he has been doing. But he neglects to acknowledge that he and hubby didn't watch the "falling in love" phase...they were just already there, then merged. I do not want to watch him fall in love with someone else. He contends that he doesn't actually want someone else but there is no reason he should have to sleep alone. I feel physically ill whenever I think of him being intimate with another woman. He says we would still be closed but then everything would just be equal (he is obsessive about equal in a way I have never seen in anyone before), but he is not willing to be equal in other areas.

What we agreed for the 4th was that I would try to find her, because if I could make a friend and truly develop a fondness for someone then it would be much easier for me to accept her. (for those that would say he could have just had a stand alone side girl, he said he wanted someone to join our family- to be part of us). I gave my word that I would explore options in good faith, (not in the self serving sabotaging manner that he "tried" <-----ugh! I want this anger gone!)

I have been in emotional turmoil with all this to the point I have sought therapy. He has also started some talkspace therapy. Monday we have a couples session together. I am so hurt, angry, disappointed, resentful and distrustful of him that I'm not sure we even can go on. From day to day I want out, or to do whatever it takes to make it work or to just run away from everything and everyone and be alone. It's even minute to minute sometimes. Part of this has been driven by bf trying to convince me that all this really is the best solution, oh and him telling me how super happy he is with the new schedule (you know, the one he didn't give two weeks trial before issuing his ultimatum)

Enter complication: a viable 4th approaches ME. Weird part...it's a former lover of BF. She is pretty, fun, sweet, sensitive to how hard this situation is. I like her. She is a lovely person. I have never had a relationship with a woman before but I could see one with her in the right circumstances. None of my issue are with her AT ALL. She and I have had 2 dates, and have another on Saturday where my hubby will be joining us. BF has another obligation. Let me repeat, she is fine- my issue is 100% with my bf.


Thank you if you have read all of this drama, I'm sure I left a million details out. Here is where I am now:

I don't know how to drop all the resentment, disappointment and anger for bf in order to be able to move forward with him. If I can't do that then there is now question....the rest of us can move forward in whatever direction we like- together or apart.

How do you let all that negativity go? Every other minute I am reminded about how willing he was to trade his temporary discomfort for my very real pain. He was never willing to do any self work on his side- that makes me so mad because it allowed only one solution. I'm done bending- I have no desire to make even one more concession for him.

Please help me get my head straight. I want him but I also don't at certain times. My heart is broken.
 
OK, so I'm new here and am currently in mono, hoping to form into poly once we move - that being said I have some thoughts.

1st and foremost, your feelings are real and need to be validated just as much as your BF's feelings. The following might be hard to read....

He has been bringing up the idea for adding a 4th happened so much throughout your timeline, that I think he truly believes that it will aide in his frustrations and insecurities from being alone every other week. It is something that you haven't had experienced yet because of the 'V' dynamic and I am sure once you have stepped into his shoes - you will be able to see and feel some of the pain he has felt throughout this process. Poly means to love more than one person, but in turn it means knowing if your partner is a mono or poly inclined. It is something that should have been agreed upon before entering into the 'V', but situations and circumstances happen where someone would like to change it up, but try not to be selfish, ( Not at all saying you are, since you are allowing for the possibility of a 4th ) and realize if you can freely love two people without them become resentful and jealous; then certainly it's possible that your BF can love another without taking any love away from you. "The thing that defines a polyamorous relationship is that everyone involved knows about, and agrees to, everyone else’s involvement." It won't be able to change the dynamic of the relationship unless you let it.

Now addressing how to let go of some of this anger. Communication has to be present through every step. I should think of the happiness of your bf in balance with your own happiness, as in be happy for him. Your husband saw you in a great relationship with your bf, and was happy enough for your happiness that he said the relationship should continue. Try and be your husband for a second. Your bf is miserable without you and hate being alone, and believes that a 4th can help - many (including myself) believe that a relationship needs to be at 100% before looking to add people, but it sounds as your emotional and sexual love for one another is amazing, but half of his time is spent in a dreadful state. I would relish in knowing I can do something to add him in becoming even more happy ( as your husband did before). Turn the anger into a blessing. You are working to make your bf even happier, not in fear your love will end.

Just my thoughts,

Moon88
 
He has been bringing up the idea for adding a 4th happened so much throughout your timeline, that I think he truly believes that it will aide in his frustrations and insecurities from being alone every other week.


Moon88

This is part of the root of my frustration though. He was NEVER trying. Had he really been trying (because we all knew adjustment were going to have to happen as we learned what worked and didn't work) then we would have gotten to a point where I would have had to rationally accept that maybe a 4th is the best solution. I'm not unreasonable. But that was always his first and only answer. But I do truly feel like I cannot trust him to honor agreements, and I feel now like he is always working an angle. I am disappointed and sad. He did assure me that I wouldn't lose 1 minute of time or attention from him, so I am not sure how this woman is going to like having the very restricted time he has left after being just about half time (every other night) with me and then with his kid in the time I'm not there....he has two evenings every other week and 2 overnights per week available...(yes this is the amount of alone time that he could not live with for even two weeks)


I do get your point about the 4th and agree...I have committed to the woman I am talking to that I can divorce my frustrations and feelings about bf and the way this came about from how I feel about her. She is also wonderfully empathetic to this situation so I don't think we have an issue there.

Also, we all are in the same social media, it was so nice to be able to just dump all the words out here just the way I felt them, I feel like I have been walking on eggshells to not blow up.
 
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This is part of the root of my frustration though. He was NEVER trying. Had he really been trying (because we all knew adjustment were going to have to happen as we learned what worked and didn't work) then we would have gotten to a point where I would have had to rationally accept that maybe a 4th is the best solution.

Also, we all are in the same social media, it was so nice to be able to just dump all the words out here just the way I felt them, I feel like I have been walking on eggshells to not blow up.

I love that you are able to expressive yourself well. It helps to avoid misunderstandings on issues. I get how you can see his first recommendation to introduce a 4th can been seen as a knee-jerk type of solution on his part, and that doesn't really address your concerns and fears. Ignoring his pain and saying it is a discomfort isn't any better. Since you seem to get along with this potential 4th so well already, then why not wait and see. I think having another female there, even just as a friend can be of great use to you. Issues can be talked through while avoiding dismissing feelings. I would truly ask her about her feelings while you are with bf, and how she plans to spend that time alone, not to be intrusive, but to know ahead of time if it will bother her or not being apart or not. Luckily it isn't starting off from 100% time together and then going down to 50% like it was with your hubs and bf.

Moon88
 
Luckily she is someone who needs her alone time as well, she has already expressed that.

Hopefully the joint counseling monday helps. I know I must let go of the anger and hurt if I want to stay with him. And I think I do.

I do recognize my poor word choices btw, I just wasn't worrying about editing my thoughts here as much as somewhere where he could see. Those are just my raw base thoughts. But- as you pointed out, not great for moving forward.
 
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Do you really want to be with someone who has deep emotional issues that they are unwilling to work on?

Being alone is a part of life. He could have three more partners and still have nights where he is alone. I know that people come with all kinds of issues. My ex-girlfriend had a long standing pain about sleeping alone. And she used that pain to be abusive towards me and our other partner. In her mind she should never have to sleep alone and we were being abusive towards her if she did sleep alone. It was really painful. And we worked on it in all kinds of ways for six years and it never got solved in a way that made her happy. It was a constantly stressful topic.

After all that pain I have decided I am not a pacifier. I won't date people who can not handle there own shit. And his desperate pain in the face of being alone is his shit. Shit he is expecting the people in his life to handle for him. And that isn't fair. This fear of being alone is a debilitating problem that he refuses to work on in himself. That would be enough for me. I would be gone. It hurts to much to love and care for someone who will not work on there painful, life limiting, personal issues. And to have that person then blame YOU for those issues and expect you to fix it for them... is... well he's acting like a child.

I can understand why opening up your relationship under these circumstances would be awful. And while I tend to think you should be willing to put the work in that your boyfriend and husband have put in so that you can have both of them in your life, I think you all trying to date one woman is extremely unfair to her and everyone else involved. (also do you find it odd that out of the blue an ex of his is pursuing you? I would be worried that this is organized and orchestrated by your boyfriend).

I certainly don't think you should be pursuing a relationship with this woman under these circumstances. You don't want to date her. You don't want her in the relationship so why are you doing it? It's nice that you think she is nice and sweet but you are basically dating her under a false pretense.

Letting go of anger takes time. And I have no idea how you are supposed to do that when the thing that is making you angry is still happening. It sounds like your boyfriend uses big emotional displays to get what he wants out of you, more time, more people... so what is next?

My ex-girlfriend had big emotional melt down regularly and for me? It just isn't worth it. I want to date adults that know how to handle their feelings. And no matter how much I love them, no matter how good the good times are, if they think throwing a fit like a toddler is an okay expression of sadness, anger, loneliness or stress then it's not going to work. It's frighting, emotionally manipulative and builds huge amounts of resentment. And resentment above all else rips apart comfort, safety and love.

(Sorry if I'm getting my own relationship all over yours. I might be projecting like a old 8mm)
 
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Hi Solus!

I want to pre-face my reply with that I am a mono and kind of a glass half empty type of person. So I might see things a bit more pessimistic view than they actually are.

I have been lurking in this forum for the last four years as a silent reader, since I find this forum to be very useful in gauging my own needs and wants in relationships. I thinks my views about wants and needs in relationship have expanded a lot since I started to read here.

If something written in here gives you clarity then it is good but if something rings untrue for your situation then discard it.

First I would caution you to be on guard in not taking your husband for granted. Your whole post waxed about the woes & major issues you are having with your boyfriend. How much pain, turbulence is constantly going on in there and how your thoughts are constantly on trying to fix things with your boyfriend.

So if most of your mental energy is spent in trying to fix your relationship with your boyfriend, then how much quality time and energy are you actually spending on your relationship with your husband?

Your post mentioned that just about a year ago you were on the verge of divorce? That's quite recent history.

So if you are spending good time and focusing on your husband when you are with him, then good. No problem!

Since you say you haven't slep well for over a month, I am not sure if you have managed to focus on your husband when you are with him. But if most of your time has been using him as a sounding board about your issues with boyfriend, and him comforting you about your relationship woes, then that can get old really fast. The old partner can feel used and taken for granted for. Like being someones emotional tampon, and not the fabulous dreamboat most of us wish to be for our partners. So if you are not mentally there with your husband, then it could be very easy to get estranged again.


My second thought was. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
You are having a double standard in wanting to forbid your boyfriend in having another partner.

You know that it is possible for someone to love two people, because you love both your husband and bf. You know your boyfriend dislikes being alone and him having a second partner, a nesting partner he could live with and marry could ease his issues with being alone.

So don't minimize his feelings and pain. The thing is currently you can't legally marry him, since you are already married. Could you move in with him or will your husband always be your default nesting partner? Will your boyfriend have to move out every two weeks when your hubby is home? So this means you can't offer him major things that he might need/want in a long term serious relationship. That is not a minor issue.

I think this is your issue to work on, being ok with your husband and bf dating others, if they wish to for things to be more equal, but it is not an urgent issue right now since you have bigger fish to fry first.

My third thought is, that your bf has some very serious mental/co-dependency issues, he is using you as an emotional tampon and you can't continue in filling out that emotional black hole that he has.

Having tantrums and blow ups every two weeks when things don't work his way is not normal or an adult thing to do. Sucking up all of your free time is not normal and you should not turn yourself in to a pretzel in filling up his time. He is an adult and he should find ways to fill up that void with friends/hobbies. You are not his babysitter nor mother, and he is treating your free time like a toddler would expect to be treated. This is so not good for the long term.

Adults who don't have any hobbies/friends besides their romantic relationship, never make a good partner in the long term. Then it is not a relationship anymore but a prison/hostage situation. You can't do his emotional management for him, and you should not do it for him.

Fourth thought. You three finding a woman to share is very naive and very very unfair for the potential woman. Seriously google unicorn hunting. Where to you expect to find this mystery woman who would be equally in to all three of you?

Fifth. Your boyfriends ex-girlfriends sudden emergence. Red flags abound. My bullshit meter started to wave like mad. This is no coincidence.

That ex-girlfriend is waiting in the wings and she is the reason why your boyfriend has been so desperate in getting your permission in getting another partner. He is either already fucking her or is planning to cheat with her/get back together with her and wants to legitimize his affair, like you managed to do when your husband found out about your boyfriend.
 
Hi Solus! I hope you do find some support here.

As I read through your post, a few things stood out to me. First of all, your boyfriend sounds pretty insecure. You probably already know this, but it seems as though he is really not emotionally okay if there is no one there to take care of him. Especially if he has never had to live on his own, he has always had someone to do that for him. This is a huge learning curve for him. You didnt mention how old you all are, so Im not sure how long this has been true for him. He really really needs to figure that out on his own. In fact, I would even make that a deal breaker, if you cant find a way to work around it. Bring it up in therapy. That he needs to get a handle on his anxiety when he is alone, because it is just not possible for you to always be there, and you should not have to be! This is ANXIETY, not just an emotional issue.

Also, how is he when he is home with his children? I presume the custody issue means that HE has children who visit him at his place every other week?

Being alone is something that many people struggle with. There are times when I am perfectly ok with it, but when I was newly divorced and single before meeting my current spouse, it was really hard for me. I had never not been in a relationship since I was 15. Had never been truly alone. So for someone who had been for a very long time never alone, this can be a thing that he really needs to get a hold on. His refusal to do it just means he is tying you in to his anxiety and expecting you to fix it all the time.

Which brings me to the second piece. You love him, obviously, and want him to be happy and ok. But it seems as though you and your husband have been bending over backwards for him over and over, and this just cannot continue to happen. Your feelings are proof of that, I think. You already know that bf is not pulling his weight and taking responsibility for his life. You do not need to "get over your feelings". He needs to see what he is contributing to the situation, and take steps to make it better overall.

I dated a guy like your bf for a few months, and he was also quite insecure and needed companionship often. His solution was to find many partners to fill all of his "time slots" so that he could maximize his time with lovers and not have so much time alone. As a result, I felt very much like I was being asked to fill in a spot rather than actually be a partner to him. There was more than one occasion in which I was told that he had time on "Sunday afternoon, because girlfriend was staying over and leaving in the morning, and new partner was coming over for dinner, and I could come over in between for some sexy time,,," Um, no thanks... So while it may seem like a good solution "on paper", it is really hard to find someone who wants to be the girl who just "fills in" for the regular girlfriend. :(

I hope you guys can work things out, it sounds like you at least have a strong partner who is willing to support you in your poly relationship, which means a LOT. Hopefully your relationship with him is going well.

Wishing you the Best!
 
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I am very sorry you deal in this.

This may not be what you want to hear. I mean it kindly, ok? :eek:

He makes agreements in bad faith that he doesn't see through.
  • What he ends up doing is blow up so you fold and give in.
  • Or threatens to leave so you give in.
  • Or threatens to find a 4th in general so you give in.
  • Or threatens to make the 4th primary so you give in.
  • Or spins it like he can't have a 4th because of your "failings" --
    • You don't want to do "what he did" for you.
    • You want him to "suffer" sleeping alone.
  • Now he wants you to go find his 4th for him.

You do not sound like you ENJOY being put through the emotional wringer.

Result of all these behaviors:

  • Your relationship with him is damaged.
  • You are resentful.
  • You are losing sleep -- haven't sleep a full night in a month.
  • You are losing weight.
  • You are heartbroken.
  • You are in turmoil.
  • You are angry.
  • You have sought therapy.

In short, you hanging around him is bad for your health.

What more has to happen before you become willing to stop putting energy in this? :(

I don't know how to drop all the resentment, disappointment and anger for bf in order to be able to move forward with him.

Could NOT move forward with him.

Could stop hanging around him. There there is nothing triggering new happenings that inspire new waves of arguments, anger, resentment, etc. They will dissipate on their own.

How do you let all that negativity go?

I think you could remove the source of upset -- you dating and spending lots of time with a very volatile person.

I think you could welcome a period of calm and stability into your life without him in it.

I'm glad he's started therapy. I hope he sees a doctor. Because blowing up every 2 weeks is not healthy for him. And not being able to be alone and not being willing to learn how --- he needs help solving his issues. I don't think he's evil or anything -- but he sounds VERY ill and makes you his punching bag. That is not ok.

And you PERSONALLY don't have to be a part of his healing process. He can seek help from therapists and other professionals.

You have your OWN healing to attend to.

I cannot trust him to honor agreements, and I feel now like he is always working an angle. I am disappointed and sad.

I'm done bending- I have no desire to make even one more concession for him.

It's ok to be disappointed and sad. You had hoped for different with this BF. But it turned out to be THIS.

Now that you see it is THIS? And you feel so sick and upset? Could choose to be done with dating him. Do not attend couple counseling trying to keep it going. Just let it be DONE.

I know I must let go of the anger and hurt if I want to stay with him. And I think I do.

Why? When someone treats you THIS poorly... why do you have to let go of the anger and hurt so you can keep going with him? It's like taking the batteries out of the smoke alarm so it stops beeping. But then doing nothing about the fire.

You learning to ignore/turn off your anger doesn't do anything about the fact that your BF doesn't want to do any of his self work and he blows up at you every 2 weeks and creates drama. You receive a lot of emotional abuse right now and it is making you ill. Where is the pleasure in you singing up for more of this? :(

Instead, you could LISTEN to the smoke alarm. You could listen to your anger and upset and the strain your body is under... and become willing to let dating him go. Break up, get out, and allow calm to enter your life. Walk away.

With some disappointments and regrets, maybe... but still keep on walking away from all this turmoil.

Please help me get my head straight. I want him but I also don't at certain times. My heart is broken.

Even if wanted, even if needed, even if best solution? A break up will still come with some grief and mourning. It's normal to have ping-ponging up and down stuff inside during a break up time. Maybe this helps.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/me-we/201406/the-7-stages-grieving-breakup.

Not all choices in life are "win" or "lose." Some are "this choices stinks" and "this choice also stinks." When you have one of those? I think you could go with the one that stinks the least.

  • Staying with him sounds like chronic blow ups with no relief in sight. Never ending stink.
  • Breaking up with him sounds like stink, but then feel better after a while. Less stink over all.

You have dignity, worth and value. You deserve to be treated well. This BF is NOT treating you well.

Could decide to give this "new schedule" where he isn't a part of your life any more a try. Could keep seeing your therapist. Could be ok being a grieving person. Could be kind to yourself in this time. AND could stay done and not go back for more BF interactions.

Could give it the time for the "new blow-up free normal" to settle in. See if over time you like this new way of going and if you start to feel better.

Galagirl
 
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Hi Solus.

There's a chance that your boyfriend might improve if he starts seeing his former lover again. The only way to find out would be to move ahead with that plan. If you don't want to move ahead with that plan, then I think you should break up with your boyfriend. So you have a decision to make, and I know you want the bad feelings to go away so you can make the right decision. I'm not sure how to make the bad feelings go away. Maybe a counselor could help. You do need to make a decision soon, though ... I can't see dragging yourself through more of your boyfriend's limbo.

I'll certainly try to think of more advice if I can.

Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
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