Turning tables and unexpected jealousy

OliverOwl

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Oh man where to even begin . . .

I should probably just start a blog and link everyone!

Bok and I broke up due to numerous reasons, a significant one of which was my being depressed and his not knowing how to deal with that. He broke up with me, though I expressed quite clearly that I wanted to try and work things out and treat our time apart as more of a seperation and less of a divorce, to use marital terms.

Well, I had been living in a different city for about a month when I met this really awesome guy, Caster. We'd gone out on a few dates, nothing serious, once I felt like I was truly beginning to move on from Bok. Well, then Bok contacts me, wants to try and work things out. Really, does all the things I had been communicating that I thought we should do. So we start talking again.

I tell Caster, of course, and he is okay with it! I met a guy who already knew what poly was! So things are going pretty great all around. Bok and I are talking more and more, being much better at communicating in a non-confrontational way, while Caster and I continue to get closer.

I had agreed with both of them that we were "open"; Bok and I were not dating again as of yet, and Caster was free to see other people as he wished. So under this theme I went out with some friends to a bar. Ended up having a perfectly consensual threesome (worst sex ever by the way >_>).

Bok had asked to be kept up to date on things like that (being careful of hurtful details), so I mentioned something happened and if he wan't to know more I would tell him. Long story short the reaction went something like this:

1) Dating Caster, totally cool (he says)
2) Having a one-night stand with some guy slightly less okay
3) Having a threesome TOTALLY NOT OKAY.

Now I am trying really hard not to feel completely slut-shamed while still understanding exactly the emotions he's expressing. They were the same ones that I felt when he told me he wanted to be poly (and wasn't that a shock when I met Caster xP). At this point it's still a very new conversation but the thing that has come up the most is when he told me, essentially, "did I not what to negotiate boundaries anymore?"

The fuck? I was the one who constantly brought it up when we were together! Asked to talk about them, navigate them as they changed for all parties involved. I have clearly crossed one of his, I'm not going to pretend I didn't. But we had had a threesome before, had left it open on the table to have more. I genuinely never expected this reaction.

So now I'm in a very confusing place of trying to reassure him that my sleeping with other people in no way affects my love for him, trying to help him understand his own negative thoughts on hook-up culture, and witness him having a massive jealousy attack. What can I do!

TL;DR version:

Poly-ex and I started talking about seeing each other again. I am significantly less mono than previously thought (yay?). Poly-ex just had massive jealous/angry/betrayed attack when I told him I'd had a threesome. Now he seems to be seriously reconsidering getting back together again.
 
1) Dating Caster, totally cool (he says)
2) Having a one-night stand with some guy slightly less okay
3) Having a threesome TOTALLY NOT OKAY.

I would ask him WHY he's not OKAY with 2 & 3. What about them freaks him out and why one is worse than the other. I suspect some of it is just a knee-jerk reaction to being shocked and getting a flood of emotions.
 
I would ask him WHY he's not OKAY with 2 & 3. What about them freaks him out and why one is worse than the other. I suspect some of it is just a knee-jerk reaction to being shocked and getting a flood of emotions.

That's exactly what we're doing right now C: In his words, there was a "heads up" on the relationship with Caster. This was "out of the blue". And I totally get that! I'm not really one for hooking up with people, but having a threesome with two guys has kind of been a fantasy (one that Bok did not share) so when the opportunity came up . . .

Bok also has very strong feelings about "hook up culture". He really does not like to have sex without emotions, and while he knows that I could (in theory) have sex without them I never did when we were together. So to him, this is much more of a "betrayal" of his emotions than falling in love with someone else would ever be.

So I'm really struggling right now to communicate that this was "just sex", it's not "running wild" before settling down with him again, and while I enjoyed it in theory it's not something I really want to pursue right now.

How to I get that across when WE ARE NOT EVEN DATING RIGHT NOW.
 
Do a "tag search" on boundaries/rules etc. Sounds like you guys need to have a conversation about what each of you is okay with and not okay with. What's okay while your separated vs if you back dating again. This would be a negotiation. He probably never thought that you would do a random hook up, so that alone set off all sorts of irrational emotions. Talk about it. How can you guys handle a similar situation in the future?
 
Do a "tag search" on boundaries/rules etc. Sounds like you guys need to have a conversation about what each of you is okay with and not okay with. What's okay while your separated vs if you back dating again. This would be a negotiation. He probably never thought that you would do a random hook up, so that alone set off all sorts of irrational emotions. Talk about it. How can you guys handle a similar situation in the future?

Thank you! I always forget I can tag search.

My major concern right now is that he won't want to. But I know I need to give him time to think about things. In all fairness he had his outburst but it was never directed at me, and whenever I said I was feeling judged or shamed he would pull back and re-assess. And I'm trying to do the same for him and be supportive. C:
 
Sounds reactional.

I think I would reiterate POINT BLANK that you arent CURRENTLY dating and thus you are free to do WHATEVER.
But that doesn't mean you aren't willing to consider the possibility of stricter agreements if you do decide to date.

I think one difficulty in hooking up with someone you have already dated; is the ease in which one "slips" into the mode of "we are in a relationship".

Yes-we are.
But we aren't in a committed romantic relationship at this time and thus I don't actually owe you anything more than friendship. Which does not include limitations on my sex life.
That COULD be negotiated if we decide we ARE going to date again. But it doesn't change until we negotiate that.

I really found BDSM terminology helpful in navigating this type of complication.
Example:
I may be submissive-but until we have negotiated an agreement; I am not YOUR submissive. Which mean you can't tell me what to do and I do not owe you anything at all.
That doesn't mean that while we are in discussion or negotiations that you can be Dominant with me.
It means you can NOT be until we have a CONSENSUS and have an agreement IN PLACE.

Same with dating.
 
He agreed to be open when you started seeing him again, so really, why does he think his objection to what you do with your own body should have any impact on you? The agreement was to be open!

Tell him he needs to suck it up and accept the fact that your body and how you choose to express your sexuality is not his to manage, nor open to debate, so he'd better deal with it or scram. You are the boss of you. The nerve of some people!
 
NyCindie and LovingRadiance, can I just keep you two in my pockets and carry you around for advice all the time?

It's a hard place to be in right now. Throughout the day it's been coming out more and more that he's "falling apart" and "feeling betrayed". And I just . . . . I don't know how to help this!

Because THIS, this is not a poly problem. This is a "you have a negative view of sex for pleasure and essentially think I am disgusting for liking it!" How do you even begin to unpack something like that?
 
New update!

Caster has asked why I was so down today. I informed him, quite briefly, of the problems with Bok. Pretty sure I just got broken up with there . . .

I am apparently really shit at being poly.
 
I'm sorry you struggle. :(

Throughout the day it's been coming out more and more that he's "falling apart" and "feeling betrayed". And I just . . . . I don't know how to help this!

You do not have to do anything about it. You could let him deal with his emotional management. Bok's beliefs about sex are his to update. Not yours.

You have the right to enjoy sex how you like as a single person, and you have no current sex share agreements to meet with him. You are free to do as you please. Nothing wrong with that.

If you feel like it, you could say "I see that you are processing a lot. I'm sorry it is hard for you right now." That conveys sympathy without you getting sucked into "fixing it" for him.

As I see it? When one's beliefs are challenged it CAN feel like "everything falling apart." But him feeling "betrayed" is not based in reality. You guys are not together right now. You have not broken any agreements with him.

If he walks around telling himself stories like "Still my partner, we're just on ice" -- then it is HIM who causes his "my partner betrayed me" upset. Because you are NOT his partner right now. And his fantasy is crashing down around him. If he is doing that, he could learn from this and be more honest with himself and stop telling himself stories. You cannot do that for him. He does that.

The only thing I could say you could improve on your end is stop oversharing information. At this time Bok is not your partner. You are free to enjoy sex share as YOU please -- you have no current sex share agreements with him to maintain. So why tell him about your recent threesome?

  • Box as your ex? Why does he need to know about your sex life?
  • Bok as your friend? Why does he need to know about your sex life?
  • Bok as your potential - why does he need to know right now? You aren't at the place of sharing sex with Bok where the disclosure talk and lab exchange has to happen.

Should you actually move to getting back together, you could keep it simple: "In the time we were apart, I had X lovers. Here's current sex labs." Done.

You do not have to reveal it was in a threesome, there was oral, chocolate syrup, fisting, BDSM, whatever it was. Not even that it was kinda disappointing. Those are personal details that really don't matter in a basic disclosure for hygiene. (To me anyway).

Maybe that's an area you could work on in future -- discernment and info management. How much to tell when.

I could be wrong, but to me you seem to be a learning curve as a hinge for info management. How much is "too much" and how much is "too little" and how much is "just right" with this group of people. You do not lie to your people, but you also don't overshare. It's ok to be on a learning curve. Don't start beating up on yourself just because the situation right now is uncomfortable.

Sort it out with Bok. Get clarification from Caster. Weather it out.

Hang in there!
Galagirl
 
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I noticed a pattern in your posts and wanted to point it out to you. I hope it is useful to you.

1) You are taking on his emotions as your job to fix.

2) He expects you to take on his emotions as your job to fix.

You are not responsible for managing his emotions. He can and should feel whatever he feels. It's important to actually feel our feelings (instead of ignoring, 'smooshing' them down, or substituting one feeling for another - like anger for sadness or fear).

It is totally ok for him to have a reaction to your very different way of having and thinking and experiencing sex. That's a pretty common dividing line between those who really can't enjoy sex without an emotional connection and those who can enjoy sex without that connection. BUT, he is responsible for his feelings. They are not yours to fix or manage. As an adult, that is his responsibility. It is not ok to slut shame you - and that is what he has done. He may regret that immediate reaction but in the heat of the moment that is where he went.

He can feel 'betrayed' all he wants to. But that is not your problem. In fact, it's not a problem - it's his reaction to your behavior. You are not responsible for his reaction. It is simply his reaction. He is not taking responsibility for managing his own feelings. Don't take on his emotional burdens. They are not yours. It is destructive to you to do so.
 
Re (from OliverOwl):
"Caster has asked why I was so down today. I informed him, quite briefly, of the problems with Bok. Pretty sure I just got broken up with there ..."

Wait; do you mean you got broken up with Bok, or with Caster?

I agree with the others that you didn't do anything wrong, and Bok is trying to guilt-trip you.
 
yeah sounds like caster is gone. It doesn't surprise me. Both guys were mentally preparing to emotionally manage the presence of each other and got sidelined with this spontaneous threesome. They weren't given any warning and I'm sure are hurt that it didn't involve either one of them.
 
Well if that's true, that's unfortunate. I hate it when jealousy (and sex-negativity?) ruins a party.
 
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