Two partners - two problems

lunabunny

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Okay, I am the hinge in a LDR "V" relationship with two people who used to be intimately involved with each other, but who are now not - by agreement of all parties - though they are very close friends. At the moment, the relationship is going quite well in general, however I have two separate, niggling issues I am dealing with right now:

Problem 1: My gf, B, lives closer to my other partner than I do. She is also far better off financially than either of us. She and I came to an agreement (at my suggestion) that we don't buy/send each other expensive or substantial gifts throughout the year, other than at birthdays and Christmas, because I hate to be in the position where I cannot reciprocate or feel there is a power imbalance.

However, my bf (and her former lover/friend), J, is even less financial than I am. He rarely buys/sends material gifts, although he contributes and gifts us both in other ways, as he is a musician and artist.

(NOTE: J and B do NOT have the same agreement as B and I do about gifts throughout the year - and she has been in the habit of sending him things on a fairly regular basis whenever she feels like it or when he needs something, since before I entered the picture. They also go away on trips together semi-regularly, and most of the costs incurred are worn by B. )

I do not begrudge him her gifts/financial help. At all. My problem with this is... whenever *I* save up and do something special for J, or give him something I consider to be a unique and meaningful gift from me alone... B invariably swoops in soon afterwards and gives him something in a similar vein; takes him on lavish vacation; or offers to "help him out" out of a financial jam in a fashion I simply cannot afford. On the surface, her gestures appear magnanimous and selfless - and they probably are, at heart, as she is a very giving person - however it sometimes feels as if she is trying to "out-do" me, whether she means to or not. I feel my own efforts are soon forgotten/unappreciated/outshone by her grand-er gestures.

I realise this may seem like a petty gripe, however, the more often it happens, the more it is starting to rub me the wrong way. My question is: should I say anything about my feelings or should I just suck it up and be glad she is so generous with J?

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Problem 2: Completely unrelated to the above. There is a mis-match of libidos between J and I. When we began our LDR we "matched" perfectly in this respect. NRE was extremely powerful, even though our relationship was not conducted in person, and we managed to get each other off on a regular basis in some very creative ways, despite limitations of privacy on both parts (my children's presence, his flatmates' presence, a lengthy stay in rehab etc.)

J had/has issues with substance abuse and he admitted he almost always used ED drugs to combat issues affecting libido and the ability to "finish" with previous partners in the past, on the relatively rare occasions he engaged in PIV sexual intercourse. Additionally, he told me he'd never felt this romantically or sexually connected to a person, and the frequency and tone of our activities seemed to bear that out for the first 6-8 months of our relationship.

After this, the cyber-sexual part of our relationship took a sharp nosedive, and I later (much later) found out that there were many causes for this, including a relapse of sorts, when it came to using drugs such as speed and weed. I was unaware he was using again, at the time, and was baffled his sudden non-interest in this side of our relationship, though he made many excuses.

Fast forward a year or so >>> J and I meet in person and the sex is good. Maybe not off the charts great, but satisfying and regular enough, considering the limited time we had together.

However, I later discover that, unbeknownst to me, J had been using both speed AND Cialis in order to perform, or as he put it, to WANT to perform. (Without drugs, he claims he has very little desire to engage in sex. Not that he "can't".) Naturally, this hasn't done much for my self-esteem. It's not that I feel undesirable per se - as I know I am relatively attractive for my age and my other partner still wants me - however, I now feel un-desired by J, whereas we used to have a strong sexual connection. To be honest, this connection was part of the attraction and was bound up in the "specialness" of our relationship. I admit, I loved that he wanted me more than he'd wanted other lovers - and without the aid of drugs, ED or otherwise.

Sure, we still CAN have a satisfying sex life, as borne out by the time we spent in person, but it baffles and disheartens me that he now says he cannot achieve this without chemical assistance. When he was totally clean, he seemed to feel desire much more strongly, and it bothers me that any future real-life sexual interaction will involve some level of substance use. It also bothers me A LOT that he wasn't open about this being an issue (with ME) until AFTER I had already slept with him in person multiple times, returned home, then confronted him about my suspicions.
 
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Based on this and the other threads you have posted, I really, REALLY think it's time that you considered cutting your losses.

They are both LDR relationships. You have had problems with B wanting to "push the envelope" so to speak. Several times. And this competitive issue is rearing its ugly head again.

Why are you not running to the hills when you know J is using again? From everything you have written thus far, you are an intelligent, mature person. J has had problems with drug use several times. How much more are you willing to take? Even if you were local to him, it is not your job to police his every action.

You can do better. Maybe in a poly relationship, maybe mono. This shady business just isn't working.
 
I agree....

Life is too short to waste time on relationships that do not work and bring anxiety.

For me illegal drug use is a boundary I will not cross.
 
Hi lunabunny,

Re: B ... I think I would suggest that you do bring it up to her, about the gift-giving. Just that you would like your gifts to J to be fully meaningful, and you feel deflated when B sends the same kind of gift only better.

Re: J ... it kind of sounds to me like his NRE has run dry. Maybe the drug use worsens the problem, I don't know. Sorry he did not inform you about using when he was visiting you. I'm sure that makes you feel second-place.

I don't have a lot of suggestions for how to solve these problems, but I just wanted to let you know that I sympathize. I hope the three of you can get things worked out.

Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
As a recovering alcoholic, I'm inclined to agree with Dagferi. I'm all for decriminalizing illegal drugs and treating addiction as a public health issue rather than a moral failing, but actively using illegal drugs is a hard limit for me. J needs to get help, and you can support him from a distance instead of enabling him.
 
Based on this and the other threads you have posted, I really, REALLY think it's time that you considered cutting your losses.

From everything you have written thus far, you are an intelligent, mature person. J has had problems with drug use several times. How much more are you willing to take?

I agree....
Life is too short to waste time on relationships that do not work and bring anxiety.

For me illegal drug use is a boundary I will not cross.

As a recovering alcoholic, I'm inclined to agree with Dagferi. I'm all for decriminalizing illegal drugs and treating addiction as a public health issue rather than a moral failing, but actively using illegal drugs is a hard limit for me. J needs to get help, and you can support him from a distance instead of enabling him.

While not so much a "hard limit" for me, indiscriminate drug use or "self medicating" is, or was, one of the boundaries we put in place that has now been breached. And as much as the drugs themselves are problematical, it is the deception/covering up that I consider as much if not more of a breach of trust in our situation.

To explain... J was an active, heavy user when I met him as a friend. I did not move forward into a committed relationship with him until he decided of his own volition to attend both a rehab and post-rehab/sober living facility, with the stated intention of remaining (relatively) drug free afterwards.

I say "relatively" because I knew and understood that he would be in a methadone program for many months, possibly years, post rehab. And knew/accepted that he would continue to drink a moderate amount of alcohol, take the occasional pain pill etc. (He is almost 60 and had major surgery a couple of years back).

While his current level of use is well controlled and he remains functional, it is the deception/lies of omission I struggle with, as I had thought he and I had reached a point where even difficult topics/potential deal breakers could be broached without fear.

I have been advised by some people on this forum, as well as my best friend, that the "bad" might well outweigh the "good" in this particular relationship and that I would be better off ending it before it gets really ugly. Believe me, I can see the validity of this advice and am considering it very carefully.

J is aware I am considering ending things due to this issue, and at the moment we are at somewhat of an impasse. He has studied drug counselling and believes he is currently - successfully - employing a "harm reduction" technique (as opposed to the more well-known and popular AA/NA principle that stresses the need to remain completely clean and sober forevermore). He has explained that his lengthy yo-yo history of quitting/short clean period/relapsing, as well as his ADHD, pre-dispose him to a major debilitating relapse... and believes this method will reduce the risk of that occurring in the long-term. I have no idea if, or for how long, such a method may stave off a major relapse.

As I said, I AM seriously considering ending this relationship for the reasons you all have mentioned, and have put a time limit on my decision. In the meantime, I have located a psychologist who specialises in the issues I face in these LDR relationship/s, and am looking forward to my first official session next week.

Hi lunabunny,

Re: B ... I think I would suggest that you do bring it up to her, about the gift-giving. Just that you would like your gifts to J to be fully meaningful, and you feel deflated when B sends the same kind of gift only better.

Re: J ... it kind of sounds to me like his NRE has run dry. Maybe the drug use worsens the problem, I don't know. Sorry he did not inform you about using when he was visiting you. I'm sure that makes you feel second-place.

I don't have a lot of suggestions for how to solve these problems, but I just wanted to let you know that I sympathize. I hope the three of you can get things worked out.

Sincerely,
Kevin T.

You have had problems with B wanting to "push the envelope" so to speak. Several times. And this competitive issue is rearing its ugly head again.

Of the two problems listed above, this is by far the lesser issue, vexing though it is.

As Kevin suggested, I think I will bring it up with B, though I shall have to be careful not to come across as a petty, jealous shrew.

The reason I asked for advice on this one is because I'm really having a hard time deciding if some of my issues with B really stem from my own insecurities rather than it being a case of her deliberately trying to undermine me.

As a GIVER of love (as opposed to being the receiver), B's main love languages are acts of service, gift giving and physical touch. < This is how she expresses herself as friend/lover/family member - to me also - and she may not be aware how her choices make me feel. So although it will be tricky, I must broach it with her.

Thank you to those who continue to reach out to me with offers of support - even when the advice is hard to hear. Although I've been on this journey for two years now, I still feel like such a newbie in comparison to many of you.
 
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