Upheaval

Virgo

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My story is long and complicated.

I have been with my husband for 25 years, more than half my life, married for almost 18 years, with 2 young kids, ages 4 and 8.

Very early into our relationship, it became clear to me that he was excited about the idea of me with other men. He identifies as a "cuckold," at term I still have trouble accepting. I have admittedly taken advantage of his psychology over the years. I have never sought out men, in fact, almost all of the relationships I have been in have been engineered by my husband, but I have definitely had lots of fun.

There is a pattern to how these relationships end though, the ones that last for more than a few months. I inevitably get too attached and more desirous of something that is more than a caricature of a relationship, so he asks that I leave or he asks the man to leave or he undermines the relationship in some way.

My current relationship, which has just ended, was with a mutual friend (more his friend than mine), who we have known for about 10 years. For years my husband has asked me to consider a relationship with him. I resisted, but finally gave it a go about 2.5 years ago.

At first I just saw him every few weeks, when he came to town for business, but over the years, our meetings increased in frequency to once a week. We would meet at hotels but he started staying in our house (in the guest room) for convenience, and also cause my husband preferred it that way. But my husband has never been allowed to watch, which he hasn't been happy about. I have never spent the whole night with him unless my husband isn't home. As we have clearly become more intimate emotionally, my husband has been come increasingly more distressed, even though I have reassured him that I have had no intention of leaving him.

I suggested my husband should date too. But he took a prospective girlfriend on a date and ended up taking her to meet my boyfriend, either to flex his muscles, offer her up as an alternative, or arrange some type of threesome/foursome (a way to get in the room with us). Who knows? The whole thing was so unsettling, never mind that presumption of no agency on the part of the woman.

My amazing boyfriend, however, has not been so amazing after all. He has been cheating on his live-in girlfriend, who he met around the time I became more involved with him, who he subsequently moved in with and had a child with. So the whole thing was doomed from the get go.

Everything came to a head a couple of weeks ago. My boyfriend stayed over for 3 days straight. My husband lost it.

To give some brief background, my husband has been struggling with mental health issues for many years. In fact about three years ago, before the latest relationship, we almost got divorced because of issues surrounding drugs.

After the 3 day visit, which actually was pretty disappointing from my perspective (was hoping for more time together but we were both so busy with work, sex was underwhelming), my husband lost it. He went on a drug binge, crashed the car, and lent my boyfriend a lot money (without my consent) so that he could go on a vacation with his live-in girlfriend, to repair all the damage from being away so much. My husband did us all a huge favor with this explosion. The whole thing is over and not soon enough.

For months I have been stalking this forum, interested in alternative ethical arrangements. But fundamentally, my husband and I want different things. I want us to date freely and separately. I want intimacy, which he finds too threatening. But I may instead want to be single, dating, perhaps monogamously...anything but a cuckold scenario. I am fatigued with the cuckold fantasy. I don't like my expected role. I feel manipulated and controlled. I suspect men who seek this out, a more explicit dom role, are more often than not grifters. And I don't think he has fully come to terms with how his own desire for men plays into things.

Then there are the other problems in our marriage (mental health, drug addiction, etc).

It has only been a week since breaking off things with my cheating boyfriend. I am reeling emotionally (but I will get over him) and my husband is already talking about setting up something new, that he is "fully in control of", obviously. Finding a local man who wants to "date us" and not just me. Who is single and not cheating. Who has more time to seem us (really???).

And I just want to flee...as devastating as that would be.
 
I think the two of you need to go full stop on adding people to your relationship. Your relationship is broken. Adding people won't fix that.

You may decide this relationship is not for you. There is nothing wrong with that.
 
Then there are the other problems in our marriage (mental health, drug addiction, etc).

Is your husband in any kind of recovery program? Are you?
From the sounds of it, full time, full life recovery programs for each of you is the wisest next step, certainly not any more relationships. Relationships fix nothing, they only show us where we are.
 
Oh lord.

I started off in the hotwifing community with my ex husband. There are so many things that bother me about that specific kink, up to and including that even the "cuckold", who is theoretically supposed to be giving his wife freedom to get her needs met on her terms (otherwise they use the term "stag") is still trying to remain in control and ensure that everything fulfills the cuckold's fantasy, not the hotwife's.

Hotwifing forums specifically sound death knell for relationships where the hotwife develops feelings or wants more of a connection than a casual fuck buddy, so I'm sure your husband is getting his advice from there. Some of what I've seen has been pretty scary.

If you go tell your story on a hotwifing forum, you'll be crucified because how dare you take this wonderful gift your husband is giving you and actually have needs and wants of your own and not just be a living sex doll for his fantasies :p


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The best advice I can give you is that it is OKAY to set your own boundaries. It's okay to tell your husband no, that you don't want to have sex only relationships. It's okay to tell him you don't want him to watch you with a partner if that's not your (or the partner's kink). It's okay to want a deeper connection. It's also okay to want your relationship to be your business and not his.

But it's also okay for him not to want that. And if you can't agree on a relationship style, this may be a fundamental incompatibility where neither of you will be happy.

What do YOU want, aside from what he wants? I'd be worried about some of those big flags you mentioned, too- the drug binge and the loaning money and such. Do you want to be in a relationship with someone who will do these things?
 
To give some brief background, my husband has been struggling with mental health issues for many years. In fact about three years ago, before the latest relationship, we almost got divorced because of issues surrounding drugs.

So still not solved and here you are again. Thinking about divorce.


I suggested my husband should date too. But he took a prospective girlfriend on a date and ended up taking her to meet my boyfriend, either to flex his muscles, offer her up as an alternative, or arrange some type of threesome/foursome (a way to get in the room with us). Who knows? The whole thing was so unsettling, never mind that presumption of no agency on the part of the woman.

Or yours. Or the fact that your BF has a live in GF and baby. They count as people too. Their well being is on this roller coaster too.

Def unsettling that he doesn't consider all these people PEOPLE.

After the 3 day visit, which actually was pretty disappointing from my perspective (was hoping for more time together but we were both so busy with work, sex was underwhelming), my husband lost it. He went on a drug binge, crashed the car, and lent my boyfriend a lot money (without my consent) so that he could go on a vacation with his live-in girlfriend, to repair all the damage from being away so much. My husband did us all a huge favor with this explosion. The whole thing is over and not soon enough.

WOW. :eek:

Sounds like you are DONE with all this crazy.

It is ok to be done.

You have your well being and the children's well being to think of. Being around this kind of drama can't be healthy for you or the kids.

And you probably don't want them growing up thinking this stuff is OK or "normal" adult relating. Then they end up accepting same or worse when they grow up. :(

Do you want your kids treating other people this way?

Or be on the receiving end of it like you are?

But fundamentally, my husband and I want different things. I want us to date freely and separately. I want intimacy, which he finds too threatening. But I may instead want to be single, dating, perhaps monogamously...anything but a cuckold scenario. I am fatigued with the cuckold fantasy. I don't like my expected role. I feel manipulated and controlled. I suspect men who seek this out, a more explicit dom role, are more often than not grifters. And I don't think he has fully come to terms with how his own desire for men plays into things.

Say NO to any more new cuck things, esp if you are not into it. It is ok for you to have your own boundaries and your own preferences.

It is ok for you not to like it if you are being controlled/manipulated into being his "bait" so he can get some guy-guy sex within the context of a threesome because he doesn't want to admit he desires men. You and your body do not exist to be his "buffer" to keep it from "actually counting as gay sex" or his "trap" to lure dudes into sharing dude sex.

You are a PERSON. Not a tool or sex doll for him to use to get his jollies.

It has only been a week since breaking off things with my cheating boyfriend. I am reeling emotionally (but I will get over him) and my husband is already talking about setting up something new, that he is "fully in control of", obviously. Finding a local man who wants to "date us" and not just me. Who is single and not cheating. Who has more time to seem us (really???).

WOW. :eek:

Only a week after having a cow, overdosing on drugs, crashing the car, giving money away to your cheater BF without your consent... now he's chasing the next "high" or "thrill" thing? Sounds like it's all about him.

If he wants to find a dude to date, he could go find one without you.

And I just want to flee...as devastating as that would be.

Then flee! Run for the hills! You certainly have enough reasons to.

Be ok being done. Go ahead and make your plans to get out and get away from all this drama. Guard against being sucked back in.

Make a safety plan if you need one.

https://www.thehotline.org/help/path-to-safety/

https://www.loveisrespect.org/for-yourself/safety-planning/

Some people get all "If I can't have her, no one can!" weirdo when their partners leave. Be careful. He doesn't sound esp. stable. :(

Can you pack up the kids and go to your parents or friends? Just get out of the line of fire if there's more new stuff coming? :(

After you have healed and started a new life? And are ready to date again?

Seek healthier relationships than these. Whether you want monogamy or open or poly or whatever... make sure they are HEALTHY ones.

I'm VERY sorry this is happening.

I hope things get better for you in time.

Galagirl
 
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I wanted to stop reading at "offer her up as an alternative." Ewwwww. Then the drug binge and crashing the car...

Something is very wrong with your husband. Can you take the kids and leave?

Also, how ARE the kids doing? They are pretty young!

You can definitely find a healthy alternative relationship style, but not with your husband, unless he MAJORLY deals with his issues.

No need to feel guilty about any of this, though.
 
I second Meera and Gala.

Your gut is saying RUN and this is a situation where listening may be the best idea. If you decide divorce or separation is the best option, do research over the different ways you could get out. Could you keep the house with the kids and he move out?

Good luck and lots of love.
 
Seek healthier relationships than these. Whether you want monogamy or open or poly or whatever... make sure they are HEALTHY ones.

Adding to all the good feedback: Healthy relationships don't just fall upon us, we create them. What you're describing, Virgo, is a seriously enmeshed and entrenched family system. That you participate in such an emotionally damaging system is something that will follow you into your future relationships unless you make some huge internal changes. Just getting away from the problem person is not enough if healthy relationships are your aim. Nar-Anon is a program for family and loved ones in such family systems and would be of enormous benefit to you whether you are with this man or not. Just running for the hills will not be enough. It will provide relief from his crazy, but you will still be you, carrying around all of the reasons that you were drawn to him - and your BF, who also has markings of damaging family systems (especially the "keeping big secrets" part.) Unless you work on you, you're likely to fall into a similarly damaging relationship, just with a different stage and face.
 
Hello Virgo,

It saddens me to say that you and your husband are incompatible. :( He wants you to be his hotwife, you want to be an independent poly. He wants you to have casual sex, you want to be free to develop feelings. There is nothing wrong with what you want, however you and your husband are very firmly fixed in your positions, I don't think you can hope for him to change. If you want to stay married to him, you'll probably have to make it a platonic marriage, where he is free to build a new hotwife relationship with someone else, and you are free to pursue the kinds of relationships that you prefer. And of course this is assuming he would agree to such a marriage. Although you could also technically divorce, but continue living in the same house. If he would agree to that.

Whatever you do, it seems plain to me that you cannot just continue with the marriage as now constituted. He actually seems to be addicted to the hotwifing cycle, the one where he pitches a fit when a relationship gets too emotionally involved, but then immediately starts looking for another man for you. And I take it he is a drug addict. And he has mental health issues. Is he seeing a therapist for that? If not, that is a lot for him to be dumping on your plate. I believe this is the reason why the others are advising you to run for the hills, that is a bad situation overall for you to be in. I don't know if you are ready to break up with him, but if you are, that might be something to consider. In any case, you cannot just go on living as things are. Something has to change.

I feel bad for you, you are in a harsh situation.
Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
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