Violation of Rule #1

NerdyMistress

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So let me start off by stating rule #1. Please have their std/sti results in hand before sex can be had.
It’s a rule I follow myself to a T.

My husband last night violated this rule knowing doing so might jeapordise our
marriage. I suffered a huge panic attack because of this and I’m just at a loss.

So what advice do you all have for me?

We’ve been married ten years and this is his first time stepping into poly waters, and he violated a rule on his first go.
 
I can see how his behavior hurt you. I'm not entirely sure why it caused you a panic attack, but I have anxiety/panic disorder myself, so I know it can be hard to explain why an attack happens. Was your panic attack because he broke the rule, or because you're afraid of what he might have exposed himself and you to?

Generally speaking, agreements and boundaries work better than rules. For example, "We both agree we'll ask for test results before having sex with a new partner," or "If you have sex with a new partner without test results, I will start using condoms with you," rather than "You can't have sex with someone new until you have their test results." It all seems like semantics, but there are differences in intent and meaning. Of course, you don't say here how your rule with your husband is stated, so it might be more of an agreement than a rule. And to be honest, when it comes to sexual health, I think rules are less of a problem than they might be in general.

However, it's also worth noting that a rule like yours impacts people who were not involved in the making of the rule, and therefore are not obligated to abide by it. Personally, if a potential partner had a rule about sex that I didn't agree with, I simply wouldn't have sex with them, but I would be a bit irked at being told "You have to follow this rule that my wife and I have." It may be that his partner felt similarly and chose not to follow a rule that she had no part or agreement in. That doesn't make *his* choice right, since he *did* presumably get a vote in making that rule, but it's another reason he might have chosen to break it.

Did your husband tell you he'd broken the rule, or did you find out accidentally? It seems to me that if he told you, he was aware he'd done something hurtful and wanted to be honest with you about it, which is better than if he'd tried to hide it or had lied about it. That doesn't make it any better that he broke the rule, but if he did tell you about it right away, in my opinion it at least shows some remorse for his actions.

Some people simply don't do well with rules, particularly around sexual encounters. It may be that he got caught up in the moment and wasn't thinking, which sounds like a cop-out but for some people, it happens. And to me, a "wasn't thinking" incident like that, while still unquestionably a violation of the rule and not a good thing, has more possibility of reparations and forgiveness than if he'd deliberately decided in advance that he wasn't going to follow the rule. Did he indicate to you whether it was a deliberate choice on his part?

Does your husband have a history of breaking agreements you and he have set in place, or is this atypical behavior of his? If it were me, while my trust would unquestionably be damaged and it would take time and effort on his part to show me that I can still trust him, I would be more inclined to give him a second chance if this is a "first offense," so to speak, and there's no past indication that he's not the type to keep agreements.

Ultimately, how you respond is up to you. If you choose to stay in the marriage, that's a valid choice. If you choose to leave him over this incident, that's also a valid choice. Sexual health can be a serious thing, and while I personally wouldn't end a relationship over a one-time violation of a sexual health agreement, I could understand someone else doing so.

Just as an aside, and something to think about, while STI testing is a good thing to have done on a regular basis, particularly when you have additional partners, it's important to note that standard STI screens do NOT test for all possible STIs. Herpes and HPV in particular are common STIs that are not part of the standard battery, and there are others as well. And sometimes there are false negatives. So having negative test results in hand doesn't guarantee that someone doesn't have any STIs, it simply means that they tested negative for the ones for which they were tested. It's also worth noting that some doctors/clinics will not give written test results unless you've tested positive for something, and sometimes not even then; early on in my poly journey, I had to argue with my doctor's office for a few months before I finally got them to send me a written copy of my test results.

That said, STI screens are still the most reliable measure of sexual health, and it's definitely worth having them done and seeing or discussing the results.
 
Hi NerdyMistress,

I am just wondering, did your husband tell you of his rule violation before having sex with you? because if he did, that at least gave you the option to opt out of sex with him until *you* had his other partner's STD/STI results in hand. If he did not tell you until after he had sex with you, then that is taking your choice away. Plus maybe he didn't tell you at all, until you found out by accident.

What you do now depends on if he knows how serious his transgression is, and on whether he has a history of lying and/or violating the rules. If this is a first offense, I would be inclined to cut him some slack.

Such are my thoughts ...
Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
Is there a high chance that this violation has left you open to contracting an STI, and this is why you panicked (i.e. you know or suspect the new partner is positive) ...or is it the betrayal of trust that concerns you more, even though you think there is a very low chance he'll have passed anything along?

I think your feelings of anxiety are warranted in this case, NerdyMistress. I'd be seriously PISSED if this happened to me, especially on a first foray into poly.

Any risk a partner takes with their sexual health can have serious consequences for our own overall health AND for that of any other partners we may choose to share sex with, no matter how "safe" we think we're being. Informed consent cannot be given when one partner breaches such an agreement and doesn't admit to it prior to engaging in sex with others after the fact.

In other words, there are three distinct but interrelated issues here: trust/honesty within a relationship... the issue of informed consent... and how the choices/risks we choose to take with our sexual health impact our partners' health, as well as the aforementioned issues.

It's up to you which of these you put a higher weight on, NerdyMistress, and how you choose to react to what has transpired. It would be understandable if this was a deal-breaker, but since you've been together for a long time and your partner is new to poly, you probably won't want to end the relationship over this, especially if test results come back negative.

In the interim, you'd be wise to insist on using condoms and/or other methods of protection if you decide to share sex with him.

Then there's the issue of broken trust, bad judgement and impulsivity. In your estimation, just how likely is it that your long-term partner will have difficulty controlling himself again, in the heat of the moment? Is he usually an impulsive person who takes the view that "it's easier to seek forgiveness than ask permission"? Because if so, you may want to rethink boundaries around your relationship. As KC43 said, you may not be able to dictate what he does in OTHER relationships, but you can tighten your own boundaries to better protect yourself.
 
With me, it'd be the issues of poor impulse control & of keeping agreements. If those things are taken care of, then STI risk plummets, whatever any tests say.

IME, I've seen people use the "frequent testing" thing as a means to obscure their questionable (even high-risk) sexual behaviors, as though they're playing Russian roulette & are crowing about how they haven't been caught YET.

FWIW, it's not particularly difficult to fake a form. Unless I can speak directly to the clinic to verify -- something unlikely to happen due to health-records privacy laws -- it's just paper.

http://www.fakestdtest.com/
https://www.pdffiller.com/19378024-fillable-printable-fake-std-test-results-form-usciences
https://www.freeprintablemedicalforms.com/preview/Sexually_Transmitted_Disease_Report
 
My husband last night violated this rule knowing doing so might jeapordise our
marriage. I suffered a huge panic attack because of this and I’m just at a loss.

So what advice do you all have for me?

We’ve been married ten years and this is his first time stepping into poly waters, and he violated a rule on his first go.


Wow thats a very disappointing start :(

How long have you had an open marriage ??? And how or why did the 2 of you decide to open your relationship?

To me it boils down to judgment and relationship overlap or intrusion. I found it very annoying and taxing after I started questioning my wifes judgement to the point i stop trusting her jugement. And personally i dont think NRE or being caught up in the moment is an excuse. IMO when these agreements / rules are so cavalierly bent/ broken /violated its a reflection of how much the person appreciates their partner/relationship and or marriage.
 
Generally speaking, agreements and boundaries work better than rules. For example, "We both agree we'll ask for test results before having sex with a new partner," or "If you have sex with a new partner without test results, I will start using condoms with you," rather than "You can't have sex with someone new until you have their test results."

This is approach is much more reality friendly rather than the "just say no" approach. People are fallible and it's better to have a backup plan. Not saying that you don't have a reason to be upset. But mistakes do happen.

but I would be a bit irked at being told "You have to follow this rule that my wife and I have."

I would also be greatly annoyed if something was ever presented as "my wife's/partner's rule". Grow a pair and own the decision that you made to abide by a certain set of agreements. It's a sloppy hinge who foists an inconvenient agreement on their partner.
 
With me, it'd be the issues of poor impulse control & of keeping agreements. If those things are taken care of, then STI risk plummets, whatever any tests say.

IME, I've seen people use the "frequent testing" thing as a means to obscure their questionable (even high-risk) sexual behaviors, as though they're playing Russian roulette & are crowing about how they haven't been caught YET.

FWIW, it's not particularly difficult to fake a form. Unless I can speak directly to the clinic to verify -- something unlikely to happen due to health-records privacy laws -- it's just paper.

http://www.fakestdtest.com/
https://www.pdffiller.com/19378024-fillable-printable-fake-std-test-results-form-usciences
https://www.freeprintablemedicalforms.com/preview/Sexually_Transmitted_Disease_Report

I totally agree with this. I'd forgotten about those fake std test forms too....bleh.

I think the testing thing is one weakness of having a more open relationship. If you can be sure that you're dealing with a limited set of people, then once you're all tested you are good. With a more flexible arrangement, the odds of a slip-up are increased.

I think the biggest issue here is impulse control. "Heat of the moment" stuff really does happen, and it has happened to me more than once. When I started my relationship with my GF#1, she wanted tests on me because she knew I had a wild past. I'm pretty sure that if I wasn't faithful to a set of people, that my impulse control issues would happen again. Perhaps a discussion with your husband about that aspect of sexuality would be in order?
 
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