What would you do?

Hi, I am new to this poligamy style relationship idea. That being said, I believe I am in one now. This is a long story but Ill try and make it short. Ive been in love with Andrew for 3.5 years. We were together for a year then apart for 9 months then tried again for 6 months then seperated yet agan for a year. He struggles with substance abuse and I have children so I can't have him around when he falls off the wagon. He is sober now and recently I let him come back. Two weeks after he moved back in he tells me about a woman named Sara that he was helping while we were apart. Shes 21, married to a man who was recently sentenced to life without parole and 8.5 months pregnant with her husband's child. Shes homeless, under-educated, and no work experience. However she has helped him sober up because she is completely dependent on him. Because of this he tells me he has to go back to this drug infested neighborhood to take care of her. So I, in a desperate attempt to keep him safe, open my home to this woman. I was amazed to see my usually sullen depressed Andrew interact with Sarah. He laughed, chatted about nothing, assisted her in any way he could, all the while insisting they were just friends. He seemed so happy. Sara is a sweet girl who has had a difficult life and we quickly become friends. I found out Andrew and Sara had been in a relationship for 7 months while we were apart. It hurts to be told so long after they move in but deep down I knew right away by the way he spoke about her. So I get over it... kindof... I start feeling insecure. Wondering if while Im at work they are doing the dirty in my bed. I tell my fears to Andrew who after denying that, in turn replies he still loves her though...and still loves me. He said he couldnt choose who to be with because itll hurt him too much. He has committed to helping Sara with her baby and he is a huge part of my childrens lives. I tell him to pick one because its killing me to be suspicious of both of them all of the time. He says lets try to be in a threesome relationship. Ok I thought, we can try. Sara and I are compatible and bisexual and we both love Andrew so much. She got him off drugs... and he came home to me. There are no ill feelings toward her or him. We are here because we want to be right. So why am I struggling so much with this concept! Sara had her baby boy, he is adorable and I love him. However, watching the man I love raise a child with another woman is extremely hard. Especially since Ive lost the child he and I created in a miscarriage over a year ago. That isnt the only issue.. he initiates sex with her and not me unless its a group thing. He cant stay aroused most times with me but I find videos in his cloud storage of solo sessions a porn star would be proud of involving them. I am not unattractive... I know this. I could be with any man I choose. However she is younger than me, and a different race. Perhaps I just dont do it for him anymore? I dont know but its that kind of stuff that kills me inside. I love him and want him to be happy. She is a wonderful person and Ive grown fond of her as well. Why cant I feel better about this then? He is thoughtful and tries to spend alone time with me when I am free, she respects it and stays away. But its not enough. Im unhappy and feel insignificant in his life. I work and they don't. So I get feelings of being used but I know thats not the case. And what do I tell my kids? I know my 9 year old daughter has seen them interact and is curious why we all share a room. I simply have not addressed it yet. Its only been 2 months since she has moved in and in that time I feel like Ive become desperate for attention and Ive had fits of self loathing because I keep comparing myself with her to see why he loves her more than me. It'd break my heart to end it with Andrew but I know he would leave to help Sara if I asked her to go. And then where would she go? I care about what happens to her too? He sees its hurting me so now he is guarded with her in front of me and tries to lavish me with attention. But I see thats hurting her and him as well so I dont feel good about it. We sit and talk about our feelings but I can see it taking a toll on Andrew. No more laughing and smiles.. just attempts to stay busy so we dont have to talk about this yet again. She and I talk but I am slowly pulling away from them both. Almost taking myself out of the equation to sit back and watch if it is better that way. Im sad and cry often. Its like Ive lost the man I love to a wonderful woman and they have a newborn to complete thier family and I have to watch every detail and cant look away. He keeps reaching out to me but I'm so wrapped up in this jealousy I push him away. Im losing him because of my own emotional issues. What would you do? Any advice? Please help.
 
I work and they don't.


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My advice to you is to take your focus off this very engaging and very messy situation and put it on yourself. Why are you attracted to this mess? You will never "fix" the people in your life, but you sure can work on untangling yourself from your intense attraction to messy situations. If you don't work on yourself, you'll just find yourself in pile after pile of unpleasantness.
 
So run?

Thats what my mind keeps telling me to do. Get out of this insane situation. But my heart won't let me. I don't know if its my own insecurities that is tainting what could be a great lifestyle or if my love for him is truly toxic and will inevitably cause my self destination. The more research I do on poligamy the more stotied I read of people overcoming jealousy and having a successful happy relationship. If there's a chance I want to go for it. I think I just need the right coping tools... isn't that how this works?
 
I am very sorry you are struggling. :(

Please get you out of this mess so you can start to feel better in time.

Listen to your mind and get out. Listen to your actual emotions and get out.

And this time, STAY broken up. You do not stay apart long enough for the detachment process to set in.

This is NOT how it works. With you subsuming yourself to the relationship. It is toxic with him.

I think I just need the right coping tools... isn't that how this works?

Part of having the right coping tools for poly is being able to assess your potential poly partners to see if they are decent, healthy people of strong character. You do not seem to have this skill at this time.

Before you can do things like work to get over jealousy and adjust to poly in a healthy way? You have to start with a healthy cast of characters. You do not have a healthy bunch of people.

There's you - with toxic love / drama in your house
Him -- substance abuse, not up front and honest, user-y
Her -- was pregnant now with baby, homeless, under-educated,no work experience, married to a murderer, now latched on to user

I think you are trying to use the idea of poly to make staying with messy people "work" and are finding that it does not work. :(

I am not unattractive... I know this. I could be with any man I choose.

Good. Choose a healthy one next time. Stop choosing unhealthy for yourself.

I love him and want him to be happy. She is a wonderful person and Ive grown fond of her as well. Why cant I feel better about this then?

Because you are not entirely honest with yourself.

  • You keep trying to talk yourself OUT of your rational thoughts rather than listen to them. Your mind knows this is a mess, and you keep trying to argue with that.
  • You keep trying to ignore your ACTUAL feelings, and make "love feelings happen" artificially. You keep trying to argue with the actual feelings hoping to keep investing and eventually make it all "worth it." This is sunk cost fallacy.

I get feelings of being used but I know thats not the case.

You ARE being used, it IS the case. You are not being honest with yourself there either.

Point blank? You have allowed two mooches and a bunch of drama to move into your house.

I suggest you step away from the crazy. Then call a counselor to help you sort your feelings, mourn the loss/adjust to letting toxic love go. Help you learn what healthy dating is and is not.

Do not model (staying in this crazy) for your children -- they will think this is normal relating when it is not.Then they could be at risk for ending up with even crazier when they grow up because this is what they know and saw mom do. Better they see mom model (walking away from crazy.)

You have dignity, worth, and value. You deserve better than this. You deserve happiness with healthy partners. Please treat yourself better. Please take better care of yourself and your actual dependents.

Stop bending into pretzels trying to fit the drama people in your life and take care of them. Make them shoo.

He keeps reaching out to me but I'm so wrapped up in this jealousy I push him away. Im losing him because of my own emotional issues.

Listen to your mind and your actual emotions. Not the "love emotions" you want to create but the ones that are actually here: repulsed (you call it jealous), not getting needs met enough here, unhappy, feel insignificant, self loathing, don't feel good about it, avoidant (try to be busy to not deal with this), sad, cry often.

I lifted them out of your post. The alarm bells have been ringing. Rather than trying to ignore the smoke alarm noise better? Work to put the fire out.

Keep pushing him away. In fact, push faster/harder. Break UP.

Galagirl
 
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I work and they don't. So I get feelings of being used but I know thats not the case.

That is the case. You are being used.

And what do I tell my kids?

You model healthier behavior for them. Move your bum of a boyfriend and his girlfriend out. Work on you, and when you're healthier, seek out healthier relationships. Go to counseling, al-anon, etc. If they won't move out? Have them evicted.

This is not poly. It's an addict and his dysfunctional gf using you as their supply and you allowing it.
 
Sorry sweetie. I have to agree with others - this is NOT what a heathly poly relationship looks like. These people will be able to find someone else to mooch on, I promise. Worry about you and your children.
 
Thankyou

Thankyou all for your advice and perspective. Everything said rings true to me. I will be cleaning house and starting over with just me and my kids. I had no one really to talk to about this and its a relief to see its a general consensus that I'm in a toxic relationship and not just my insecurities getting the best of me. So thank you again.
 
You are welcome. I am glad that it is a relief to be validated and that you are able to see it really IS toxic.

If he and/or she is telling you it is "all in your head" or that you are just too sensitive or too insecure or something and how they loooooove you... don't believe it. Saying whatever to keep pulling the wool over your eyes is to THEIR benefit, not yours. So long as you stay blind, they can keep on mooching.

It is just NOT a good situation. Stick to your plan to start over with just you and your kids. That's healthier for YOU. Free yourself from this. You can do it!

Galagirl
 
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Re (from Unsureifitsright):
"The more research I do on polyamory the more stories I read of people overcoming jealousy and having a successful happy relationship. If there's a chance I want to go for it. I think I just need the right coping tools ... isn't that how this works?"

For future relationships, here are some tools:

Let us discuss the greeneye monster shall we?
How to slay the greeneyed beastie.

How To Contain The Green Monster
Jealousy, Envy, Insecurity, Etc.
How do you achieve compersion?

The Theory of Jealousy Management
The Practice of Jealousy Management

Jealousy and the Poly Family
Kathy Labriola: Unmasking the Green-Eyed Monster
Brené Brown: the Power of Vulnerability

Just remember, you can feel jealous for a very justifiable external reason -- such as someone not treating you right.
 
Sounds to me like you are most definitely "poly capable" (you admit that you are bisexual and compatible with her, and you say you love him... so you obviously can have feelings, attraction, and sex with more than one at a time)... these two just aren't a good fit because they are using you.


I say keep poly in mind... just NOT with those two.
 
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