Which way to turn?

Finding out your husband cheated or is cheating on you throws a big monkey wrench in the whole picket fence, happily everafter thing. Marriage is NOT this dreamy, stary eyed, fairy tale so many have come to expect. It's a Fucking rollercoaster, the biggest, baddest, longest ever concieved, complete with barf bags, break downs and crashes:eek:. All too often, the clean up crew, repair crew and the saftey inspectors all need to be called in before it's safe to continue on again. There is a reason people scream on rollercoasters(sorry I live down the street from a theme park):D.

I like your analogy SNeacail. :)

Glad to see that your moving forward, Mo. :)
 
having an issue with hooks, and upper cuts hurt my hands, wrist and arms no matter what I do. So we are doing other things til we figure out how to strengthen my wrists.
1) If it's hurting after doing it for weeks, then you're doing it wrong and should probably have someone else watch your form. ;) This is the martial arts instructor in me speaking out. ;)

To strengthen the wrists, do push-ups on a padded floor, on your knuckles.
 
Karma is watching my form, at first that was what it, but it still hurts. The only thing that makes sense is the my wrists aren't strong enough.

Can't do pushups, hurts my shoulders too much. I'm hoping as I get stronger and some weight comes off that isn't a problem, but it's always been a problem so I'm not holding my breath.

SN-I'm not sure what you are getting at? I like the analogy, it is pretty accurate, but I am not sure where you are going with it?
 
SN-I'm not sure what you are getting at? I like the analogy, it is pretty accurate, but I am not sure where you are going with it?

Just that so many people have this stary eyed view of marriage that it isn't until something catastrophic happens and we make the decission to stay and make the best that we really understand how warped our view was. When girls see "married guy" online, they run because they don't see the pretty house and white picket fence. What they failed to notice is that fense is solid rought iron and the house may need a paint job, but the repairs are already done. Sorry about more analogies. It was just all in reference to your comment about girls not wanting to look at Karma's OKC profile because he was married.
 
Ahhh okay, totaly makes more sense now.

Nothing really exciting going on. Karma is out with friends and trying to move on with his life.

I'm trying to understand why people feel the need to lie and make shit up to get ...I don't even know, to make themselves feel better?

If you aren't meshing with someone, or for whatever other reason are ready to move on, why is it so hard to just say 'hey its not working I'm moving on' instead of leading someone on, lying, breaking their heart, crying and playing the pity party, breaking their heart again, lying somemore...and repeat.

I just don't get why it is so hard and why people find it okay treat people that way.

And she wanted to why I kept saying her actions were immature!

Okay rant over.
 
So it's been awhile since I've been on here. I've spent a lot of time pondering what the hell happened, how to move on, and if I'm even still polyamorous. I have a few answers, but I'm still searching for many more.

I think the time has come to tell my part of what happened between me and Cricket, from my perspective.

Most of you are familiar with how this all atarted - my infidelity, a string of one-night stands, and then I met Cricket. I fell fast and hard, and was left wondering what the hell was happening to me. I finally came clean to Mo, and we tried to make the poly thing work.

J, at the time a friend of mine, was with me the night I met Cricket. I started flirting with her, and he started flirting with someone who was at the time her best friend. Months later, after thigns had been mostly smoothed over between me, Mo, and Cricket, J told me he had always had feelings for her. I told them both that if she wanted to pursue a relationship with him, I was OK with it, so long as everyone was honest with each other and I wasn't getting pushed out of her life.

This was a god damn rollercoaster. It ended - or so I thought - with J breaking things off with Cricket, telling her that he couldn't handle the poly thing. I was a fool for trusting him - a recurring theme in our "friendship", it would seem. Before they broke up, Cricket had a sort of fling/relationship thing with D, again with me telling her that it was ok if that was what she wanted. I knew it was a bad idea, but it wasn't my place to tell her what she could or could not do.

It was a MONUMENTALLY bad idea, as it turns out.

So, D is out of the picture, and she and J are "just friends". Things are going good, or so I thought.

Around December, Cricket starts a conversation with me by telling me that J is moving to Pittsburgh in March, something I was already aware of. Three hours later, this conversation ends with her telling me that J suggested that she needs to "take a break from relationships to get her head straight", and she thinks he's right. I was heartbroken, but I figured if that was what she really needed, then we should do what was best for her. I should have known better right off the bat.

We ended a very painful night with many kissses, holding each other, and with many I love yous. The very next night, J and I were over at her place and she wouldn't even touch me. No explanation, no warning, nothing.

Two weeks later, while I was in Ohio tearing myself apart trying to figure out what I had done wrong, J had moved in to her parents house with her and was fucking her. They decided to hide this from me - I didn't find out until three days before my birthday, at the end of February, and I discovered it by noticing the hickeys on J's neck.

The entire time this was going on, Cricket was coming up with excuse after excuse to not see me. I asked her repeatedly to tell me what was going on, what was wrong, and why she was acting this way. I never got any definite answers, until the day after I noticed these hickeys. What I did get was "I love you, but I have things to deal with right now." The day after I found the hickeys, we had a long talk where she once again told me that she still loved me, but she needed "A full time boyfriend right now". SHe brought an 11 page letter detailing all the issues she had with me - issues I thought were LONG since dead, that I had fixed. She had never told me theses thigns were still bothering her. Given that 11 pages is a lot to read and I was tryin to have a conversation with her, I asked her if I could take the letter with me to read. She told me that the notebook it was in had homework in it. I wondered why she couldn't just take the letter out at that point, but instead I asked her if we could get together later on so I could read it in full, and she agreed.

I never got that chance. Insert multiple, ever-changing "reasons" as to why "today isn't a good day for me. Maybe tomorrow?" from her. When we talked, she told me that one of her problems with us is that we never got the chance to form a friendship first. I was all for fixing this, and we agreed to set aside one day a week to do just that. It NEVER happened. In fact, I haven't seen her since that day in February. Meanwhile, J finally made their relationship known about in our circle of friends. Much drama insued - many people were NOT happy about what went on, but I asked them to stay out of it.

She continued to feed me excuses and grow more distant in our conversations, until last week, when I got a message from her accusing me and Mo of "hexing her and her whole family".

This is a GRAVE insult to me.

Without going into the details, I've studied the occult since I was 19. I have studied some very nasty aspects of it, damn near losing my morals, my marriage, and basically ME in the process. I fought long and hard to get out of that abyss. I still struggle with aspects of it to this day, but I have never once gone back to that place in my mind.

And this woman, who claims to know and love me, accuses me and my wife of attacking her and her family, including her two young siblings?

I defended myself, explaining logically that it made no sense, that I had no motive, and that mine and Mo's magic doesn't 'work' anything like what she described to me. SHe is well aware of this, by the way, as we had worked together several times before this. She refused to listen to a word of it, claiming that I obviously thought she was still "the weak willed, naive girl" I had met, and that I was accusing J of manipulating her in this, when these were HER decisions, not his.

So after having her break my heart multiple times, tell me that I obviously didn't love her, and then accuse me and Mo of a vile act that she had no business and no reason to accuse us of, I told her that I did and probably always would love her, and that I offered her a chance to prove whether I did this or not and she blatantly refused it, so either she never knew me at all, or she was just looking for a reason to paint me as a bad guy to justify removing me from her life. Somewhere in there, she accused me of ignoring everything she had written in that 11 page letter, and when I reminded her of the fact that she wouldn't let me take it home, and would never get together with me after that for me to read it, suddenly she changed her story, telling me that she didn't trust me to have it in my possession and that's why she didn't let me take it home. SHe never explained why we never got together again.

My last line to her was "So is it my fault that I can't read 11 pages while having a conversation with you, or because you refused to let me have a chance to read it? Which is it? And while we're on the subject, when did you decide that you "don't trust me" anymore, seeing as how I've repeatedly asked you for nothing but honesty since we split and you never mentioned it once until now. I love you dear, but I've had enough. When you get your head out of your ass about this, I'll still be here. Until then, goodbye. You tell me that I have a lot of things to work on? Go take a look in the mirror, love."

Apparently, she didn't like that. She blocked me on facebook the next day, and I haven't spoken to her since. That was roughly a week ago.

By the way, J never left for Pittsburgh like he told EVERYONE that he was doing - just one more lie from him. He's still living at her parent's house with her.

And that, is my side of this story. I now open the floor to questions, comments, and whatever else.
 
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Karma, I know the feeling buddy.....It truely sucks. However, you will get over it, and will be better off for it. Everything that happens....is good in the end. Find the silver lining. It's there...Often times, it is SUPER hard to find. Every day, it becomes a little bit easier.
 
Noting overly exciting going on lately. Working out, going to school, spendig time with Karma.

Still have some good convo's going on OKC. Not interested in running out on a date, but there are a few I may be seeing sometime in the near future. But now that Karma is questiong if he is poly at, I dunno. I don't think I am mono, but I am okay with not searching anyone out. Right now he is feeling that she was the one. That he isn't really poly, she just broke through to monogamy.

I don't know. It's not for me to decide. But I'm not wanting to make waves in calm waters. He and I have been doing amazingly well, I don't want to mess that up.

Oh and in case you are wondering...telling your spouse you walked 4 miles and then did 20 minutes of pilates leads to great celebrations!!;)
 
man you people sound bitter, why did the chick owe you anything after breaking up. Afetr a breakup, isn't it over? Live & let live dude.
 
If she had actually broken up with me, instead of leading me on to believe - and directly telling me several times - that she still loved me, you would be absolutely right. Which is why I asked for her to be completely honest.

Mo - it's actually one of the few answers I do have right now, sweetheart. I'm poly - or at least poly-capable ;). I don't think you just magically lose the ability to love more than one person. I'm just still really messed up right now (as you are well aware :) ) and there's no one else in my life but you, and no one I'm really even looking at. Hell, I figure that before I decide to "look" for someone else again, I should at least be emotionally stable enough to flirt with other women, you know? :)
 
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So this is new for me.

I have apparently either lost or misplaced the ability or the desire to flirt.

For the past week, there has been a girl in my evening math class at the college chatting me up. She's african american, and it's pretty rare for me to be attracted to an african american girl - I have black friends, but it's really just not my 'type', you know?

The thing is, I AM attracted to her physically. But that's it. It's not like her personality turns me off or something like that, she seems like a really cool person. I'm just not.... interested in pursuing her, I guess. I can talk to her with no problem, until talking becomes flirting. Then my brain just shuts down. Not like "I'm nervous" shuts down, but more of a "I feel nothing" kind of shuts down.

This is really irritating for me. I've never been unable to flirt before.
 
Karma,
The reason for the lack of desire is not that you are "broken" or something. You are actually perfectly fine. You are still healing. As you heal more and more, you will find that desire creaping back. You got hurt.....and your mind is being protective. I went through the same things.
 
Thanks TL. You're right - I'm still processing a lot of things. I guess I really shouldn't be suprised.
 
For clarification, I'm not saying that you are "fine" in the sense that you are just trying to get attention, but you feel nothing. No, I'm saying that you are "fine" in the sense that you are normal. People do this.

Ps. I'm not "gargantuan". ;) And I really DO care about you and Mo. Not in a "i wanna hook up" kind of care...but I care because I want you to quit hurting, and I want to help. I don't like to see other people hurt like I did. I was borderline suicidal....and so I know it hurts. You WILL get through this. With help, and understanding. Both of which Mo offers...if you let her. And, you can always come here to the forum.
 
So tonight I went through and deleted every picture I have of Cricket, and every photot tht J was in, on here, on Facebook, and on my computer's hard drive. It was hard, but I need to stop trying to rebuild the past and start moving on to my future - and I need to accept that she is not a part of that.

Realizing that I'll never see her again hurt like hell, but I handled it like any irish boy would - friends and drinking.
 
Good for you Karma. It always hurts. Never forget the past...but always look to the future.
 
J showed up at practice today. I wasn't real happy to see him, but it gave me the chance to return the ring that Cricket bought for me about a year ago.

This was not easy. But I guess it is neccessary.
 
Dunno why you returned the ring Karma, but....You know best what will help you to heal. I like to keep at least ONE thing to keep the memorys I had. It's not necissary, but.....I do it. Just one thing. A picture, a ring, even if not worn, something. Thats just me. I think it DOES help to get rid of it all....I just can't though. LOL I'm good at giving the advice....not so good at following it. ;)


*edit* Oops! On the wife's computer. :rolleyes:
 
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