Duggar Schadenfreude

I think that there was an element of schadenfreude among the racist white people who feel that every incident of a black person being less than perfect proves their point about black people.
 
MightyMax said:
I don't think you read that post. That post basically said that the reasons that people don't think it's as bad is because they liked the guy and he did good for people. I'm sure some people feel like that about the Duggars. Not because his crimes were less evil or anything like that. They feel guilty for having liked him and so choose to ignore what he has done.
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Cosby's overall public persona was uplifting to most folks. The Duggars' was uplifting to some but hurtful to many. This is the difference. When you drive people nuts with your public hypocrisy, they'll want to see you fall a lot faster than the people who come across as genuine, even if they share similar skeletons in their closets.
 
MightyMax said:
I think that there was an element of schadenfreude among the racist white people who feel that every incident of a black person being less than perfect proves their point about black people.
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Ick. Probably.
 
MightyMax said:
I think that there was an element of schadenfreude among the racist white people who feel that every incident of a black person being less than perfect proves their point about black people.
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And every time a gay or transgendered person is beaten, raped, murdered or commits suicide. So, let's pray them all straight! Yeah, that works.
 
Magdlyn said:
And every time a gay or transgendered person is beaten, raped, murdered or commits suicide. So, let's pray them all straight! Yeah, that works.
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I think you misunderstood my point. I was actually saying that other extremists also experience joy/glee when a member of the group they oppose is found to be guilty of bad behavior.
 
...[sex scandals involving right wing crusaders are] so familiar by now that surely the default assumption must be that the anti-gay crusader is probably closeted and gay, and the pro-family crusader is probably on Ashley Madison.

Which makes perfect sense, psychologically. If you’re wrestling with a particular demon, it’s easy to see that wrestling as the most important thing in the world. Philandering family-values types are out there screaming because ultimately, they’re screaming at themselves.

So it’s not surprising that for many of us, there’s a profoundly gleeful schadenfreude when hypocrites are exposed. (Along with profound concern for the LGBT people in repressive regimes whose lives are now in danger thanks to the Ashley Madison hack.) Women, progressives, and queers have had to sit and listen to the likes of Duggar, Huckabee, Santorum, and Fischer talk about us, as if the outright lies they spread about our lives are somehow deserving of deference. So you can’t blame us for smiling when they take a fall.

...reasons to get hopping mad instead.

First, all of the people and institutions I’ve named, while they were lying, cheating, and having lots of illicit sex, were also working hard to demean me and my family, and deny us our civil rights. They aren’t just hypocrites. Hypocrites preach one thing and practice another. But these guys aren’t just preaching; they are actively, and sometimes successfully, restricting my freedom, encouraging my dehumanization, and telling lies about me and people like me.
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For more from this article http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ily-values-hypocrite-ever-not-even-close.html
 
MightyMax said:
I think that there was an element of schadenfreude among the racist white people who feel that every incident of a black person being less than perfect proves their point about black people.
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I don't see any of that anywhere, I have to say. Bill Cosby is (was) beloved and idolized, way beyond being a great entertainer or even a good person. His sanctified public persona approach(ed) that of Oprah's. Perhaps there are a few racists holdouts sprinkled here and there, but their presence is meek in the sea of pervasive public adoration that Bill Cosby inspired. This is one time when race really does not come into it at all.

I think it is interesteing to compare the two cases. Again, I'll say that there is a lot of shadenfreude in the Duggar case, whereas with Cosby there is heartfelt sadness and genuine shock. With Duggar, it goes beyond Christian-bashing because he is just a character to us. With Cosby, it's as if our favorite uncle, whom we've admired and adored all of our lives, has turned out to be a child molester. That's how personally betrayed people feel and there is not one ounce of joy in it at all.
 
FallenAngelina said:
I don't see any of that anywhere, I have to say. Bill Cosby is (was) beloved and idolized, way beyond being a great entertainer or even a good person. His sanctified public persona approach(ed) that of Oprah's. Perhaps there are a few racists holdouts sprinkled here and there, but their presence is meek in the sea of pervasive public adoration that Bill Cosby inspired. This is one time when race really does not come into it at all.

I think it is interesteing to compare the two cases. Again, I'll say that there is a lot of shadenfreude in the Duggar case, whereas with Cosby there is heartfelt sadness and genuine shock. With Duggar, it goes beyond Christian-bashing because he is just a character to us. With Cosby, it's as if our favorite uncle, whom we've admired and adored all of our lives, has turned out to be a child molester. That's how personally betrayed people feel and there is not one ounce of joy in it at all.
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https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1077022/ This is a really racist site, trigger warning! But I was unfortunately aware of this sort of opinion being shared at the time.
 
I'm usually not very interested in the news, let alone reality TV ... so, I didn't know a thing about the Duggars until this Josh thing became the talk of every town. I'm mostly indifferent about it, I'd say it's great that some religious nut's hypocrisy was exposed, but it doesn't really accomplish anything in the end, it just encourages everyone to act even more like Jerry Springer guests, fighting with each other over what it all means. I'm not interested in fighting over it, so I just watch from a distance.

Yes it's tragic that Josh and others have left innocent victims in their wake. But jeezh, for every famous predator, there are a thousand nameless predators, and a million innocent victims of violence, poverty, persecution, disease, and starvation. Why should I zero in on one case just because it's bathed in the limelight? I suppose I shouldn't be so judgmental towards people who do follow the news, heck I should probably follow it more myself. I'm just too lazy I guess.
 
Kevin, this family and their disgusting breeding and the cruel parenting practices they practice and teach to others has been on my radar since before their TV shows on Discovery and TLC. So, for more than a decade I have been looking forward to the day when the kids grow up and start to stray.

I just know what goes on in that house behind the fake smiles and "wholesome" impression many have of them. I'd not be surprised if other boys were molesting their sisters, plus other sick things completely repressed young people will get up to when "saving themselves for marriage." And I do not blame the kids. It's the parents and other adults in the cult I blame and am gleeful to see being brought down, at least a little.

On the Duggar family's website, the parents have a video up at a wedding of some friends, and after congratulating them on their great love, Praise God and all that, JimBob says, "And my advice to them is: be fruitful and multiply!" while he leers at the camera. Ewwww...
 
Yeah we have this little thing called birth control now, so it isn't necessary to have 19 kids. [shaking head]
 
No, they think it IS necessary, even commanded. It is the Quiverfull Movement. Many womens' bodies shut down after 7 or so, but some just keep going and going. Josh's mom even had 2 sets of twins. Finally in her mid 40s she had a Down's Syndrome child, a very early premie, then a miscarriage. I think she's finally done. But now she's got all these grandkids coming, praise gawd.
 
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Magdlyn said:
No, they think it IS necessary, even commanded. It is the Quiverfull Movement. Many womens' bodies shut down after 7 or so, but some just keep going and going. Josh's mom even had 2 sets of twins. Finally in her mid 40s she had a Down's Syndrome child, a very early premie, then a miscarriage. I think she's finally done. But now she's got all these grandkids coming, praise gawd.
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Um, who the hell are you to decide what "breeding practices" are disgusting or not? If you truly believe in women having ownership of their bodies, it's NONE OF YOUR business whether a woman has no kids or fifty kids. You are completely obsessed with this and it's weird, creepy and a little sick to be honest. Leave these people alone.
 
If I may partly speak for Magdlyn, it's because we don't believe these women don't actually truly have ownership of their bodies.
 
From Josh's wife Anna, on the Duggar family Facebook. She wrote this after Josh's first scandal erupted, but before the second one came to light:

I can imagine the shock many of you are going through reading this. I remember feeling that same shock. It was not at the point of engagement, or after we were married - it was two years before Josh asked me to marry him. When my family and I first visited the Duggar Home, Josh shared his past teenage mistakes. I was surprised at his openness and humility and at the same time didn't know why he was sharing it. For Josh he wanted not just me but my parents to know who he really was -- even every difficult past mistakes. At that point and over the next two years, Josh shared how the counseling he received changed his life as he continued to do what he was taught. And when you, our sweet fans, first met me when Josh asked me to marry him... I was able to say, "Yes" knowing who Josh really is - someone who had gone down a wrong path and had humbled himself before God and those whom he had offended. Someone who had received the help needed to change the direction of his life and do what is right. I want to say thank you to those who took time over a decade ago to help Josh in a time of crisis. Your investment changed his life from going down the wrong path to doing what is right. If it weren't for your help I would not be here as his wife — celebrating 6 1/2 years of marriage to a man who knows how to be a gentleman and treat a girl right. Thank you to all of you who tirelessly work with children in crisis, you are changing lives and I am forever grateful for all of you.
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And when she wrote that he had been on the cheater's dating service website for a year and a half, addicted to porn and cheating on her. She was so deluded! :( Note how she calls her husband a man and a gentleman, and herself a girl. Mmhm.
 
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MightyMax said:
Um, who the hell are you to decide what "breeding practices" are disgusting or not? If you truly believe in women having ownership of their bodies, it's NONE OF YOUR business whether a woman has no kids or fifty kids. You are completely obsessed with this and it's weird, creepy and a little sick to be honest. Leave these people alone.
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:eek:
 
Evie said:
If I may partly speak for Magdlyn, it's because we don't believe these women don't actually truly have ownership of their bodies.
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What Evie said. Also the Quiverful movement does not give women any choice in the roles they play in life and relationships. They are only to be wives and mothers, be dependent and subservient to all men but especially their husband, and to have as many children as they physically can. If they had the power, they would force all women and men to live in this way. It's their vision of how society should be, mandated by their understanding of God's will.
 
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