Hello, this is my first post I am in need of some advice. I am a 23 year old guy with a girlfriend of the same age. We have been together for almost 2 years. About a year ago or so she told me she was having dreams of women in a sexual way. I was interested and eventually we got to talking about a threesome as a gift to me and because I could tell she wanted it too. We've had a threesome with 3 different girls so far. I am the one that sets everything up, she is shy and doesn't know what to say or do, which I understand. I am also shy and it usually takes at least weed, alcohol, or my anxiety meds (Klonopin) or a combination of the three to loosen me up. My girl relies on me to make all plans regarding threesomes and instigating everything. It has been difficult for me because of the inexperience and pressure. I decided to come here to ask for tips and a set of guidelines to create because a big part of my life is invested in this endeavor. We recently moved from our hometown to a small town and we hate it here and are planning on moving to a big city close to my family. We toyed around with the idea of having another girlfriend. We met a 18 year old girl still in high school recently. The way we met was very strange, but that's a story for later. We ended up smoking and drinking together and we had a threesome. Its been a month now that weve known her and weve probably had a threesome about 10 times now more or less. I introduced the idea of a 3way relationship to her and she is interested very much. She wants to move away from the crappy small town she grew up in and move with us to the big city. She says she is willing to be sexually exclusive with us at this point. We don't know if shes a whore or not. She is a wild girl but a good heart. I believe she is lonely and is struggling with her high school drama filled friendships and we are a good avenue for her to vent to and we don't judge her. She had some problems with experimenting with hard drugs but we are trying to steer her in the right direction. My girlfriend seems like she might be a little jealous because this girl seems to be into me more. This girl seems to really like us, she still lives with her parents and is expected to be home at decent hours but she always stays out with us and is usually the first one to ask if we want to hang out. I desperately want this relationship to work because I have been thinking for years about possibly being a pimp or having polygamous relations in my future and I would like to use this opportunity now to develop my skills in relationships with women as women are a very important part of my life. We were all talking about how would this even work its still very new and confusing to me and them, but I am determined. I told them I would figure out a way but my only plan is to come here and see if yall could help me. I told them we would start by making a set of general rules or guidelines and then we would all revise it so we all agree, but I don't know where to start. She has already made comments like "will your mom like me?' and " will I be able to have my own room". She is ready to commit I just need to lay down some ground rules. I also don't want anyone to feel like a third wheel. Sorry if some of what I'm saying is irrelevant. There is a whole lot more to this story but I will start here. Thank you I appreciate your help.
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Where to start? So many contradictions in here.
If they're so important to you, how about you start by treating them as people. You know, instead of commodities, or 'birthday gifts'. Honestly, you come across like a total douche. Perhaps you have misrepresented yourself, but it's kind of gross.
Wow. That's super nice of you. She's willing to have a threesome sex - you are wondering if that makes her a whore? Well, you are willing to have threesome sex, as is your girlfriend. Are you whores too? Where is this sex-negativity coming from?
Oh. There it is. You think women are sellable assets and you might be able to cash in. What a fucking charmer.
If they're so important to you, how about you start by treating them as people. You know, instead of commodities, or 'birthday gifts'. Honestly, you come across like a total douche. Perhaps you have misrepresented yourself, but it's kind of gross.
FallenAngelina
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One of my own guiding lights in life is that if I need any kind of mind altering anything to "loosen me up," I am clearly not ready for whatever it is I'm trying to make myself ready for. The addition of the little jealousy comment tells me that your GF is not ready for this either. That you're all so young tells me that I know you're not ready for any of this.
But all of that is grandma advice to you and I'm sure you'll go ahead and do whatever you're gonna do. I did at your age and so did most everyone else. We all learn the hard way.
Just caught your "pimp" comment via tenK's post, which puts your whole post over the top. Now you just seem like you're messing wtih us. Ha Ha, so much fun!
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Tenk I am truly sorry if you think I'm not sincere I should not have even said anything about the pimp thing that is irrelevant and just something that was in the back of my mind. I promise you I truly care about these women. I will not take your advice as grandma advice I want to know how I need to be. I talked to her tonight and she wants to be in a relationship with us. My girlfriend told me in my ear to make it official while she was using the restroom. She wants to go to a haunted house with us saturday. We need to lay down ground rules next time. You have the wrong idea about me I am very loving I spend almost all my time and money trying to please the women I'm invested in. I would rather please a woman than myself. I don't care about friends or anything I've spent the last 2 years of my life trying to make this girl happy that's it I've left a life of drugs money and friends for love.
vinsanity0
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I will say that you got off pretty light here with that first post.
If you are serious you can start by looking up the term "unicorn" as it applies to polyamory. You say your girlfriend seems jealous. That puts you on the road to "couples priveledge". Look that up too. Do not chew up this girl and spit her out. You and your girlfriend will no longer be a couple. There will be three of you.
As far as rules, keep it simple. There are some good threads on things like sleeping arrangements and things like that. As with any negotiation, if you guys get stuck on something just shelve it and come back to it later.
And don't ever use the word "pimp" again.
If you are serious you can start by looking up the term "unicorn" as it applies to polyamory. You say your girlfriend seems jealous. That puts you on the road to "couples priveledge". Look that up too. Do not chew up this girl and spit her out. You and your girlfriend will no longer be a couple. There will be three of you.
As far as rules, keep it simple. There are some good threads on things like sleeping arrangements and things like that. As with any negotiation, if you guys get stuck on something just shelve it and come back to it later.
And don't ever use the word "pimp" again.
AutumnLeaves
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I'm going to agree with the people really urging you to do your research before getting involved with the second woman. I'd suggest looking at www.morethantwo.com/ as a place to start. That site has lots of tips and food for thought. I'd suggest all three of you do the reading and discussion together.
I've read your post again and, while a lot of it strikes me as inexperienced and naive, I don't think you meant it to be offensive. But I see a lot of dialect in my job, so when someone says "pimp" I see it as meaning "player who is highly attractive to multiple women" and not "someone who offers prostitutes for money." Especially reading it in context. The white privilege in in response to that word is almost palpable.
That said, a lot of what you posted comes off as sex-negative and disrespecting of women. People are likely to take offense to that here because the poly community is largely sex-positive and tries to be empowering of all genders. You might want to look a little into gender roles and sex-positivity while you're exploring polyamory (which is VERY different from polygamy!). If nothing else, it will help you get better advice.
Wishing the three of you good luck.
I've read your post again and, while a lot of it strikes me as inexperienced and naive, I don't think you meant it to be offensive. But I see a lot of dialect in my job, so when someone says "pimp" I see it as meaning "player who is highly attractive to multiple women" and not "someone who offers prostitutes for money." Especially reading it in context. The white privilege in in response to that word is almost palpable.
That said, a lot of what you posted comes off as sex-negative and disrespecting of women. People are likely to take offense to that here because the poly community is largely sex-positive and tries to be empowering of all genders. You might want to look a little into gender roles and sex-positivity while you're exploring polyamory (which is VERY different from polygamy!). If nothing else, it will help you get better advice.
Wishing the three of you good luck.
Yes, this.
AL, who is to say he is white? He didn't tell us his race. We can leave him to clear that up.
Menagea3, welcome to the board. You're to be commended for asking for advice, information and support.
So, doing 3some sex is not the be all and end all of polyamory. In fact, many if not most 3ways end up with the "unicorn" more into one or the other of the couple, and this causing all kinds of discomfort for all 3 parties, and usually a break up, with the couple deciding "we just need to find the right girl," and trying and trying to make that happen.
My ex h and I were also unicorn hunters, same as you, with me being bi and him being straight, and imagining the fun sexy time it would be to "bring another woman into our relationship."
Booze and weed and sex seem to go hand in hand like bffs. But we can't, or shouldn't, stay drunk and high all the time. Sooner or later, someone needs to take out the trash or change the catbox. Then what?
Your new gf is adolescent. You and your gf are still developing. While some young people can handle polyamory, many can't. At that age we are just getting to know ourselves, what our needs and desires are. It's hard enough to relate to one lover at a time, or casually play the field. It's much harder to try to balance a triad relationship.
Now some people do move in together almost right away and make it work. It's generally agreed it's not a great idea to do it after only a month or two. Generally it can take 6-12 months for infatuation to wear off and the other person's true self to emerge. And that's when the rubber hits the road.
So, taking this girl away to a strange city to cohabitate with you and your established gf, it will be hard on her! She is playing catch up. And your gf is already feeling jealous that new gf is more into you than into her.
I'd recommend if you all really want to move to a cool city, that new gf get her own place, or a place with roommates, so that she has more independence. She can date you, or both of you, but have opportunity to date others, as she may well want to do. Maybe right now, as she is infatuated and doesn't want to, but hell, she's only 18! It's way too early to settle down and commit for life. She may actually want her own space, and her main need is just to get away from her parents.
It's not so pimp-like to have 2 gfs in one house. 2 (jealous) women with PMS up in your grill is not a barrel of monkeys.
AutumnLeaves
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In an effort not to derail, I'll keep this short. The privilege part comes in with assuming that a word means what your culture or dialect thinks it means without taking into account its context. So, it doesn't precisely matter what his race is. I was observing that people interpreted to have the "standard"/white (quite negative) meaning, when I don't think its context merited that. It wasn't a value judgement.
Here is a good article about language and privilege, and why it matters
Here is a good article about language and privilege, and why it matters
In an effort not to derail, I'll keep this short. The privilege part comes in with assuming that a word means what your culture or dialect thinks it means without taking into account its context. So, it doesn't precisely matter what his race is. I was observing that people interpreted to have the "standard"/white (quite negative) meaning, when I don't think its context merited that. It wasn't a value judgement.
Here is a good article about language and privilege, and why it matters
If I'm suffering from privilege in this case, it's only for being a British English speaker. Growing up where I did, pimps (the actual negative 'man-who-sells-women-for-sex' meaning) were a real entity, and this less-pejoritive sense of the word doesn't exist. The word pimp coming so soon after the word whores is also a massive prime for that sense for me. So forgive me for not being able to see the context you obviously saw. We get more than our share of misogynist types on these intro boards, and well, linguistic privilege goes both ways - if you're not exposed to the dialect of a particular area or demographic, then there's not a damn thing you can do about it. If you're unaware of the 'standard' definition of a word, you're just as screwed as someone who is unaware of the 'non-standard' version. The OP came across as disrespectful and sex-negative, so I called him out on it.
Back to the OP: if this is going to work, you all need to work as a team to make boundaries that work for each and every one of you. You talk about how 'I need to set some ground rules', but it's not all on you. In fact, I guarantee it will end badly for you if you become the one to dictate rules for how this relationship must unfold. The best kind of triad situations seem to be the ones that emerge organically. If you look at any of the posts tagged with 'triad' you'll find the same advice repeated over and over. A three-way relationship is not one relationship, it's four. You and gf. You and new-gf. gf and new-gf. You and gf and new-gf. All of those relationships need the time and space to be nourished. It can't be the three of you all the time. It certainly can't be the three of you all the time except when you and gf want time alone. That sets new-gf up from the start as less important.
Mind you, I'm not saying that you are going to want everyone to have exactly the same amount of time with each other either. Fact is, you and gf DO have a stronger relationship, and might reasonably want to maintain the amount of time you already have for each other. The main point is don't rule this stuff out right away. Let what feels right for each of you to emerge. If gf and new-gf want to spend more time together than new-gf and you want to spend? That has to be ok. If the way they spend time together is different to how you and she spends time (like, maybe they spend more time having sex, whereas you spend more time emotionally connecting, or vice versa)? That has to be ok too. Not everyone has to have 'the same'. But everyone needs to get what they need within each relationship.
Thank you for your replies. I did not mean to sound offensive at all im sorry if i came off that way. I respect women equally as me. I said she might be a whore because of the things she said out of her own mouth. I am not trying to be sexist or anything. I am OK with sexual promiscuity but I just want to make sure she's not the biggest whore in her school or something. Also the pimp comment wasn't due to white privilege more so my brother and family members were pimps etc and I thought of it only as a tool to get fast money and I apologize again.
Greetings menageA3,
Welcome to our forum. Please feel free to lurk, browse, etc.
There's a book I want to recommend to you, it is called, "More than Two: a practical guide to ethical polyamory," by Franklin Veaux and Eve Rickert. I think it will help you think of some good rules that would be appropriate for you and your household.
So, you and your girlfriend of two years, do you two currently live together? and you do plan to have the 18-year-old girlfriend move in with you? It sounds nice, truly it does, but be careful, especially about your 23-year-old girlfriend's jealousy. That could spell trouble down the road.
To a large extent, I think you have to figure out the best rules for you as you go along, so please keep us posted on how things are going, and we will try to give more advice.
I hope you find your stay on Polyamory.com a pleasant and helpful one.
Sincerely,
Kevin T., "official greeter"
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Welcome aboard!
Welcome to our forum. Please feel free to lurk, browse, etc.
There's a book I want to recommend to you, it is called, "More than Two: a practical guide to ethical polyamory," by Franklin Veaux and Eve Rickert. I think it will help you think of some good rules that would be appropriate for you and your household.
So, you and your girlfriend of two years, do you two currently live together? and you do plan to have the 18-year-old girlfriend move in with you? It sounds nice, truly it does, but be careful, especially about your 23-year-old girlfriend's jealousy. That could spell trouble down the road.
To a large extent, I think you have to figure out the best rules for you as you go along, so please keep us posted on how things are going, and we will try to give more advice.
I hope you find your stay on Polyamory.com a pleasant and helpful one.
Sincerely,
Kevin T., "official greeter"
Notes:
There's a *lot* of good info in Golden Nuggets. Have a look!
Please read through the guidelines if you haven't already.
Note: You needn't read every reply to your posts, especially if someone posts in a disagreeable way. Given the size and scope of the site it's hard not to run into the occasional disagreeable person. Please contact the mods if you do (or if you see any spam), and you can block the person if you want.
If you have any questions about the board itself, please private-message a mod and they'll do their best to help.
Welcome aboard!
So, by whore in this case, you do not mean a woman or girl who sells her sex for money. You mean promiscuous. Why is it important to you she is not the most promiscuous girl in her high school?
So you plan to become an actual pimp, with a stable of hookers who sell their sex and give you part of the proceeds for your protection??
If so, wouldn't it be a positive if your new gf/playpartner was the most promiscuous "whore" in her high school?
Will your current gf and the new even younger gf be the first girls who will go out and have sex with strangers and give you the money, once you move to the big city? Because if so, you're probably in the wrong forum. I am sure there are different rules for being a sex worker and for living off sex workers, than there are for modern polyamory. I generally think of being a pimp as a throwback to the extremes of patriarchy, where a man virtually owns a woman and basically forces her to go out and fuck for $, and even will beat her if she doesn't bring in enough money, or if she tries to get out and get away from the job and him.
Whereas, polyamory is partly based on feminism, where women can have multiple partners, entirely based on their own freedom of choice and control over their own bodies.
FallenAngelina
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I also don't know in what universe this would have a thing to do with "white privilege," but he obviously meant what we thought he meant. Nothing wrong with pimps, whores or super studs - they just don't have anything to do with polyamory.
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It makes me glad I am here, when everyone is mentoring not critizing someone new. M3, it is a growth to really understand being poly. My fondest memories of prior relationships is as much the non sexual events.
Also slang does change the meaning of how we say things. My wife and I joke about her being a slut. She has had more than one man before me. We actually evolved to the point that sex with another turns the other on.... it does make for some good humor, calling the guy a stunt dick, funny we don't do that to other women.
Also slang does change the meaning of how we say things. My wife and I joke about her being a slut. She has had more than one man before me. We actually evolved to the point that sex with another turns the other on.... it does make for some good humor, calling the guy a stunt dick, funny we don't do that to other women.
AutumnLeaves
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It has to do with white privilege because the how someone's posts are interpreted on the internet can be a "standard"/white language privilege issue. It's generally presumed by white people on the internet that everyone on the internet is also white and speaking "standard" language, where "standard" language is language used by the white middle-upper class. That isn't necessarily always the case and it can lead to misinterpretations.
So here, a "nonstandard"/dialect usage of the word pimp is to mean guy who is highly attractive to multiple women and has lots of sex, instead of the "standard" meaning of a guy who markets prostitutes... which is what was actually meant here anyway, it turns out! Not the first time I've been wrong, and probably won't be the last.
FallenAngelina
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I get what you're saying, Autumn, but I think that most people, no matter their race, would think a pimp is a pimp. I actually am familiar with pimpin' to mean looking good or attractive to girls, so hooray for me, but just because I interpret words in the common way doesn't mean I'm blindly reading through my "white privilege" lens. I vehemently disagree that internet language is a white thing, as there are non-standard terms flying every which way on the internet. That's what the very popular Urban Dictionary is for. I don't think it's accurate or necessary to accuse people of "white privilege" who use common meanings of words. All races employ the common meanings of words in the language. Why can't we just call it "standard English" without going down the race road?
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River
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"white privilege"
It's also important to be mindful that a very many white people don't really benefit from "white privilege," so much so that the term starts to feel like a racist slur against white people to many white people who do not partake in -- or want anything to do with this largely mythical (for some, anyway) "white privilege".
There, I said it. It's a very non PC thing to say, I know. All of us white people are supposed -- by many who throw the term "white privilege" loosely around -- to be guilty of benefiting from and perpetuating "white privilege." And often the underlying presumption is that all white people prefer to benefit from this white privilege, are racists and dominators, etc. We are also often held guilty for those real and terrible things prior generations of white people have done to oppress non-whites -- as if we were there and participated or condoned it.
As one who is a marginalized minority in several important respects, I'm just tired of hearing that phrase -- even though I do understand that such a thing exists. But I digress.
It's also important to be mindful that a very many white people don't really benefit from "white privilege," so much so that the term starts to feel like a racist slur against white people to many white people who do not partake in -- or want anything to do with this largely mythical (for some, anyway) "white privilege".
There, I said it. It's a very non PC thing to say, I know. All of us white people are supposed -- by many who throw the term "white privilege" loosely around -- to be guilty of benefiting from and perpetuating "white privilege." And often the underlying presumption is that all white people prefer to benefit from this white privilege, are racists and dominators, etc. We are also often held guilty for those real and terrible things prior generations of white people have done to oppress non-whites -- as if we were there and participated or condoned it.
As one who is a marginalized minority in several important respects, I'm just tired of hearing that phrase -- even though I do understand that such a thing exists. But I digress.
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AutumnLeaves
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Even though I think applied linguistics and priveledge are both really interesting areas of thought and discussion, this is going to be my last response because I think this is really starting to derail!
Agreed, it doesn't necessarily mean that at all.
You're free to disagree. But there are linguistic studies that disagree with your disagreement. Linguistic Pulsed, a linguistics blog, has some interesting articles on it, if you're interested into looking it. I find it to be one of the easier applied linguistics blogs to read.
I'm sorry that you're feeling accused. That wasn't my intent, and I think I'm understanding your reaction a little better now. The word priveledge isn't an accusation.
Because even calling the specific dialect we're talking about "standard English" goes down the race/culture road. The article I linked before actually does a really good job of explaining why the term "standard" English to perpetuates the marginalization of people who speak "nonstandard" varieties--including white people who happen to be born in a place that speak a different dialect, or who are immigrants.
... with a variety of social implications that I think are really interesting (including the perception of comic books as a less valid medium for storytelling, of all things), but would just continue to detail this guy's thread.
FallenAngelina said:
Agreed, it doesn't necessarily mean that at all.
FallenAngelina said:
You're free to disagree. But there are linguistic studies that disagree with your disagreement. Linguistic Pulsed, a linguistics blog, has some interesting articles on it, if you're interested into looking it. I find it to be one of the easier applied linguistics blogs to read.
FallenAngelina said:
I'm sorry that you're feeling accused. That wasn't my intent, and I think I'm understanding your reaction a little better now. The word priveledge isn't an accusation.
FallenAngelina said:
Article Linked Below said:
Because even calling the specific dialect we're talking about "standard English" goes down the race/culture road. The article I linked before actually does a really good job of explaining why the term "standard" English to perpetuates the marginalization of people who speak "nonstandard" varieties--including white people who happen to be born in a place that speak a different dialect, or who are immigrants.
... with a variety of social implications that I think are really interesting (including the perception of comic books as a less valid medium for storytelling, of all things), but would just continue to detail this guy's thread.
Thank you for your greetings and replies again. I'm sorry it had to turn into a race thing. I am half white and half not white. I did not mean to confuse anyone forget I said anything about pimping, I think I just want to be respected and adored by women is what I meant. I'm infatuated by women and I am only average looking but I am smart and funny to make up for it. Magdlyn your post is the one that hit home. I don't know if I should continue my story here or on a new post? I can tell this arrangement is going to be very complicated, probably more trouble then its worth. I'm still very intrigued. Ive done a little research. I don't know where to start there is a lot that's happened good and bad that needs to be addressed to understand the whole story. Also when I said set ground rules I meant everyone involved. I had already figured open communication was big too. We sat around and I let her read the article about unicorn hunting. She said she was interested in the unicorn triad whereas I suggested a poly-fi triad. She is mainly concerned about potentially causing major problems in my 2 year relationship with my girlfriend. We all took a shower the other night, my girlfriend was done and had stepped out. The unicorn wanted me to fuck her in the shower without my girlfriend present. I said no. My girlfriend was listening out the door and was mad at her but didn't say anything until she left. Also we were all watching tv later and she was taking photos on my phone of herself then she suggested me and her take a photo kissing. I said why don't you and my girlfriend(Ill call her Leyla) kiss and take a pic first. They were both unsure, looking at each other awkward probably because they are awkward and new to being Bi. so Leyla said, "if she wants to." The unicorn(Jenny) was drunk and to me it seemed like they just wanted the other to say yeah first, then Jenny was like "not really" after asking a few times. This really pissed off Leyla because Jenny only wanted to take pics of me and her kissing. Leyla then yelled at her a little and told her she should leave and I gave her a ride home. Jenny was confused and said she needed to think about the whole ordeal. I told her in the car she needs to pay more attention to Leyla instead of me that's why it hurt her feelings. My girl felt bad when I got home but also hurt and pissed. We talked and I messaged her and my girlfriend messaged her apologies and to come over again when she was ready. Today she actually came over unannounced which was fine but a surprise. Everything was pretty smooth tonight. Every night I take Jenny home just me and her and I use that opportunity to see her perspective and feelings without Leyla, because I am the one doing most of the talking and figuring shit out and as far as me and Leyla, Leyla wants me to lay the foundation. Leyla is very sensitive and emotional and doesn't have the same intellectual conversations me and Jenny like to carry out which also leads to awkward silence or me and Jenny carrying out a convo that Leyla just isn't even interested in the first place. Jenny says she doesn't think the relationship will work because she sees Leyla get mad at small things and she doesn't want to be yelled at. She said its a lot of pressure and responsibility on her. I want to ease her mind and be with them all. She thinks something is wrong with me and Leylas relationship to want to involve her. While this is not the case our relationship does need some work. I don't know if its me or the countless other bad things that have happened to Leyla lately but she is very irritable and angry, like it cant just be me. I think she needs psychiatric help, she said so herself but I hate that at the same time. I just wish everything was fine. Leyla will put her hands on me a little too much if I say something mean but she is way too aggressive. Jenny is young and wants to have fun while me and my girl are more likely to settle down. She said she would change for us because she wants to get a job and go to college. I did not tell her to change at all I just tried to point out the error in some of her ways but she seems to listen to everything I say, she wants to change for the better we just want to guide her in the right direction. I really like Jenny and actually feel very compatible with her. She is immature but smart. Leyla doesn't like her personality but does want to pursue the relationship still. I can tell they both like each other but they also don't somehow it seems. I have more that I should have started with first. The night after the first threesome with Jenny, me and Leyla got into a big argument and Leyla was arrested for domestic assault only because the neighbors called because she was overexaggerating screaming and throwing things. Another day a couple weeks ago she also hit me a shit load of times because I didn't use a condom during like the 5th or 6th 3way with Jenny even though we had talked about not using one anymore but apparently Leyla didn't hear.
We all went to a haunted house on Halloween and it was good. Jenny was excited to be in the big city as she is from a small town and has not really left much. There were some small things, and I don't know if I'm wrong for thinking or feeling like this but my girlfriend was mad about it too. I don't get as mad as Leyla because I understand how this young girl feels she wants to take it slow and still party and be young. She knows she is in a committed relationship now though. She was walking up to random guys and asking dumb questions though slightly relevant. I think she was maybe flirting or trying to piss us off she looked in there eyes funny and of course the guys were looking back all hypnotized. I don't like guys talking to my girls so I'm all in their face waiting for dude to flirt or something. I think she likes that im overprotective though maybe she thought I was a pussy but she realizes now ill fight for whats mine. My girl wasn't happy about her talking to strangers but at the same time Jenny didn't actually do anything except for making fuckface eyes and complimenting some kids shirt. Idk I think we overthink things and its mostly Leyla that doesn't like her but I'm hoping they will hit it off soon. Any advice is much appreciated. I thought your comment was hilarious about the 2 jealous women in my grill with pms it does start to sound like more of a headache then anything. I am honestly in it for the romantic long term aspect, sex is awesome too but id like to be with two women. I had both their feet in my lap the other night and I was massaging them and I felt so happy like a happiness I had been searching for my whole life that ive never had.