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Feline

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Hello Poly people,

I’ve just joined Polyamory.com, looking for help to manage a situation I’m in. I’ve never been in a poly relationship though I’m open to non-typical relationships and I have a bit of experience in the BDSM scene. I'm committed to negotiation and consent. I'm kinky and queer, non-binary, neither gay nor straight, non-partnered. But a poly virgin.

In the BDSM scene I ‘play’ non-sexually with friends, though it can be intimate in a way. I met someone at a queer festival, there was some Spark, and we met up when I was in his hometown the following month. He asked would I play with him – in the BDSM sense - and I said yes and we arranged to spend time getting know each other better. We told each other a lot about our lives, sexual identity, interests, and shared cuddles and a platonic night together. all very lovely.

He said he was amazed how comfortable he felt with me, how unusual this was, and he wanted to take things further, sexually and it seemed romantically. Next month we weekended at mine, talked non stop, started to get sexual together. There were affectionate texts and emails. He said he wanted a close sharing and sexual connection with me, that it was the first time he’d been able to bring all of him into a sexual connection. It felt to me like he was moving faster towards investing in this that I was, calling me darling and beloved. We didn’t talk about exclusivity, it was early days. He didn't raise polyamory either.

Another month on, a few more meets, a lot more intimate. We planned to spend 5 days together at New year. There were lots of emails sharing more vulnerability, and talking about where we would like to go together.

Then in the middle of one such email he told me he had arranged to become intimate with one of his housemates… he said it as though it hadn’t struck him as something that would impact upon me, but it did. I was shocked, hurt, indignant. I felt demoted and also disrespected because though we hadn't got any agreement, he entered into an agreement with someone else. And this other partner is his house mate, while I live 200 miles away, so there is much more opportunity for him to be with her than with me.

It wouldn’t have occurred to me to enter into another significant connection so early in the relationship we were forming. I wouldn’t have wanted to. I don’t know how come he a) wanted to get with someone else so soon b) apparently didn’t realise this might not be ok with me, or c) didn’t talk about it to me in advance.

He initially said he felt distressed that I was upset, and offered to talk on the phone – but he doesn’t seem to accept that it wasn’t ok to just go into a 3some without giving me any choice or warning. I said he didn’t give me the information I needed, to make an informed choice for myself..

We’re still arguing about this. I’m not against polyamory but I’ve never been in a poly dynamic before and it’s a lot to take on. I’ve talked with his housemate and we’re fine with each other. She’s actually being kind and understanding about how difficult this is for me. I don’t feel I'm getting that from him.

When I’ve been angry he’s indignant and says I’m just blaming him. I'm trying find a way to say what this is like for me. Ive suggested we use Non Violent Communication but he hasn't agreed.

Sadly the result is I feel the connection that showed so much promise is dying fast, not because of the existence of another woman, but because he is not giving me kind thoughtful consideration. Currently he is busy with work so he only phones me once a week. I asked him for more contact – just brief check-ins - and he refused. It just felt humiliating. But when I say or try to say how I feel, the story is I’m only feeling that way because of some past trauma or wrong idea I have.

He gives the impression a good polyamorist doesn’t blame others, doesn’t feel or show anger, and doesn’t ask their SO to take responsibility for what they choose to do. Is that right?

I'd appreciate any guidance. Thanks,

Feline
 
. . . I feel the connection that showed so much promise is dying fast, not because of the existence of another woman, but because he is not giving me kind thoughtful consideration. Currently he is busy with work so he only phones me once a week. I asked him for more contact – just brief check-ins - and he refused. It just felt humiliating. But when I say or try to say how I feel, the story is I’m only feeling that way because of some past trauma or wrong idea I have.

He gives the impression a good polyamorist doesn’t blame others, doesn’t feel or show anger, and doesn’t ask their SO to take responsibility for what they choose to do. Is that right?
If I were you, I wouldn't wait for him to respond or make a choice -- I'd take a stand and end it. Explicitly let him know it is over. In any relationship a person wants to feel respected, valued, and heard. You feel disrespected, devalued, dismissed, and ignored. Plus, he is putting up a smoke screen so he doesn't have to own up to his mistake. I think he is gaslighting you a bit, too. Who needs that shit? Life is too short. This isn't about poly; this is about the dynamic between you feeling off from the beginning, though you couldn't put your finger on what it was because you were also having a good time, and now you're finding out he's a bit of a jerk. DTMFA.
 
If I were you, I wouldn't wait for him to respond or make a choice -- I'd take a stand and end it. Explicitly let him know it is over. In any relationship a person wants to feel respected, valued, and heard. You feel disrespected, devalued, dismissed, and ignored. Plus, he is putting up a smoke screen so he doesn't have to own up to his mistake. I think he is gaslighting you a bit, too. Who needs that shit? Life is too short. This isn't about poly; this is about the dynamic between you feeling off from the beginning, though you couldn't put your finger on what it was because you were also having a good time, and now you're finding out he's a bit of a jerk. DTMFA.


Agreed. If it weren't polyamory, it would be another issue, eventually. He's playing games with you, and you have now learned this about him. It's not worth it.
 
It felt to me like he was moving faster towards investing in this that I was, calling me darling and beloved.

Love bombing you?

he said it as though it hadn’t struck him as something that would impact upon me, but it did.

Fair enough. He didn't know it would bug you. But upon learning that it DOES bug you, how does he treat you the way you want to be treated? No.

I'm not hearing he is. No apologizing for hurting you unintentionally, not asking to clarify what agreements you might like in future, nothing like that. Minimizes your feelings, and starts with the mind games. You suggest NVC and he shoots it down. Without making suggestion himself for another method he might be willing to do.

I agree with the rest that he's blowing fog and gaslighting you. Don't keep chasing him down to explain or own his behavior. Cut him loose instead.

He gives the impression a good polyamorist doesn’t blame others doesn’t feel or show anger, and doesn’t ask their SO to take responsibility for what they choose to do.

That's just him spin doctoring to make himself come out looking good. According to that standard? (Never mind that it is a wonky standard to begin with)

  • You are showing anger. So you stink as a polyamorist.
  • You are blaming. So you stink as a polyamorist.
  • And you want him to take personal responsibility for his behaviors. So you stink as a polyamorist. (Because he wants to do what he wants when he wants without anyone saying boo.)

It's way easier to flip it around on you like you are the "bad polyamorist" and "deserve" his poor treatment while conveniently ignoring that if he's such an awesome polyamorist, how was THAT a great rather than a provocative way to bring up the topic? :confused:

Is that right?

No, of course not. People who want to practice ethical polyamory don't love bomb, mess around with mind games, provoke and obfuscate. None of that is kind or loving behavior. It's not even about poly. People who want to practice ethical relating with other people don't mess around with that stuff.

I am sorry this happened to you. But you could end it with him and call it a bullet dodged.

He's just not kind, loving or nice in how he's treating you. You don't need more of same.

Galagirl
 
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I have to disagree with my fellow posters. I think this is a classic case of unspoken expectations biting one on the ass.

You believe that being in a couple automatically brings certain expectations. One being that you get a say in what other relationships the other person is in. Another is that one waits until a current relationship is steady before attempting make other connections. These are not bad ideas and they work well for many people - including myself. However, they are not automatic assumptions. Not everyone 'does' being in a couple this way.

This seems like a very new connection, even if it is a few months along. And while you seem to have begun talking about what being in a relationship (poly or not), there does not seem to have been agreements made. I don't think he did anything wrong. Now likely he was not as kind and thoughtful as one could hope but he didn't betray you. He just didn't behave as you would in a relationship.

One of the hardest things I've had to cope with is the unspoken expectations I have running about in my brain. Often I am quite unconscious they are there until something happens and I am triggered. I know I am triggered by the sudden rush of rage that is disproportionate to the situation. He hit quite a few triggers of yours. He likely didn't mean to but it's impossible to avoid landmines one doesn't know are there. It's entirely possible that to his mind, a developing relationship with you has no impact on his having a more casual connection with a housemate. Lots of people are able to have more romantic relationships alongside more casual FWB or play partners. There does seem to be a divide among people who are polyamorous between those who have romantic/sexual relationships and those who have romantic/sexual relationships but also have less committed/more casual relationships (like play partners, FWB etc.). His 'type' of poly may be more into casual connections than yours. Again, neither of you are wrong - but rather a clash of expectations and definitions of poly relationships.

Do you see the argument I'm making? Different expectations are not the same as betrayal. If you and he had agreed to wait a bit before either of you explored other connections, then, yes, that would be a breaking of agreements.

Also, while I don't believe this to be the betrayal you feel, I also think you have every right to feel the feelings you are having. You are angry, upset, jealous and a whole bundle of other feelings. It's totally ok to feel all those things. However, in this case, I don't believe assigning blame to him and placing yourself as the 'wronged' party is helpful at all.

Ask yourself why you are feeling angry, disvalued, disrespected. Why those words to describe your pain? Be curious about why you are feeling these particular set of emotions. Curiosity can help one get some distance from these strong feelings - it allows one to have some space to consider just what is going on in the brain. I find it really helpful as a way to sort out difficult feelings.

The other difficult thing being poly has helped me learn is that others are not responsible for my feelings. He didn't make you feel disrespected, angry, disvalued, etc. That was your reaction to his action. His action triggered these things in you but he did not 'cause' them. He triggered you. Triggers are places to look at in oneself - sometimes there is old hurts, old pains at the root of them.

That does not mean do not feel these feelings. They are what they are. It is legitimate and necessary to feel them. However, it is often wise not to immediately act on these feelings. This is why I am urging you to take a step back, to mull over why you feel this way.

This man may not be a good match for you long term. He may not be a good fit for you emotionally. However, you have an opportunity here, while painful, to really figure out some important things about yourself. Why do you feel disrespected in relationships? What makes you jealous? (And it's a myth poly folks don't feel jealousy or other 'negative' emotion. We do.)

It can be really hard to learn someone has different expectations and ideas about what being in a relationship means. It is doubly hard to learn that we basically hurt ourselves with our unexamined expectations. I know you don't want to hear that - sounds like he is telling you something similar. That can really feel like they are not taking responsibility for hurting you. That's so painful. (Been there in both roles. Both suck.) But again, acting on different expectations does not make a betrayer.

Best of luck. I hope this eases for you.
 
I also agree that there was definitely a mismatch in expectations, and I don't think he did anything wrong, per se, when he pursued another relationship.

The parts that made me say he was acting like a jerk were:

He blamed her feelings on "some past trauma or wrong idea" she might have, instead of at least considering that he left out some pertinent information and being open to talking about it with her. While he is not responsible for her feelings, his actions did have an effect.

He discourages her when she wants an explanation or tries to let him know she's hurt and angry, and says things to the OP that have her thinking she isn't a "good polyamorist." Isn't that a version of gaslighting - convincing her that it's only upsetting because she doesn't know how to "do poly right" instead of owning up to his part of it?

I say she cut her losses and run because they've only been together a short while and already they're arguing and at odds, and she's feeling slighted and disrespected, and it's not the kind of relationship she really wants to be in, anyway. So early to be full of angst, so it looks like major incompatibility and some lack of consideration, at least to me.

Plenty of fish out there, so if it were me, I'd get out before becoming much more entangled and it gets more complicated.
 
I also agree that there was definitely a mismatch in expectations, and I don't think he did anything wrong, per se, when he pursued another relationship.

The parts that made me say he was acting like a jerk were:

He blamed her feelings on "some past trauma or wrong idea" she might have, instead of at least considering that he left out some pertinent information and being open to talking about it with her. While he is not responsible for her feelings, his actions did have an effect.

He discourages her when she wants an explanation or tries to let him know she's hurt and angry, and says things to the OP that have her thinking she isn't a "good polyamorist." Isn't that a version of gaslighting - convincing her that it's only upsetting because she doesn't know how to "do poly right" instead of owning up to his part of it?

I say she cut her losses and run because they've only been together a short while and already they're arguing and at odds, and she's feeling slighted and disrespected, and it's not the kind of relationship she really wants to be in, anyway. So early to be full of angst, so it looks like major incompatibility and some lack of consideration, at least to me.

Plenty of fish out there, so if it were me, I'd get out before becoming much more entangled and it gets more complicated.

Being in a difficult relationship for over two years now and trying to cut the ties, I totally agree with with Cindie.
 
Thank you for all the comments - its interesting there are some differences in how people see things- I find it helpful to get a range of views, and I'm sorry I haven't replied yet. (sorry work has been an intrusion.) I'm thinking it all through and will respond soon.

Thanks again for everyone's thoughtful responses, it really helps.

Feline
 
Hi Feline,

Re (from OP):
"He initially said he felt distressed that I was upset, and offered to talk on the phone -- but he doesn't seem to accept that it wasn't okay to just go into a threesome without giving me any choice or warning."

This part confused me a little too. Do you mean that he was arranging for a threesome that you'd be involved in? without informing you? :eek:

At the least it sounds like he made some assumptions, and didn't want to be responsible for them after the fact. Not cool.

What will you do?
With regards,
Kevin T.
 
Thanks again to everyone who's replied.

The update is we had a long phone conversation. I was dreading it as previous ones have been quite volatile, with reactions being triggered on both sides I'd say. So I tried my best not to sink into a blame game, while still trying to say what I feel. I'd more or less decided to end it, had been really sad about that, and in the event it ended mutually.

In the process of that conversation he said -
a) As a person he thinks he's in intellect and not in emotions.
b) He would have agreed to non violent communication.
c) He doesn't actually identify as poly and have I heard of relationship anarchy? ( I hadn't till last week. )

So I know I'm well out of it but I'm still trying to separate out what I've been upset or angry about and why - including -

1) How much is it my own stuff being triggered because I haven't been in a poly situation before ? (far less relationship anarchy)

2) Is it because I don't know how people 'do' poly and what is 'ok'? (Is this how poly is supposed to be ?) (I mean, I realise there's different 'ways' people would call ok, but aren't there some guidelines...)

3) Is he just being a jerk? or messed up? (His own stuff)

4) I didn't sign up for being in a poly scene in the first place - ( lack of informed consent). I certainly didn’t sign up for relationship anarchy...

5) We just weren't a match...

6) I was developing a heart connection and he wasn't gonna meet me there...?

It matters because we will continue to see each other as there's a really small queer BDSM scene in the UK and we're both active in it. Also I've not ruled out polyamory for myself, but I wouldn't want things to go like this again...

Again, thanks to all responding,

Feline
 
If he's into intellect, that's makes it creepier to me that he's love bombing you so fast with the "darling and beloved" stuff. Makes it seem even more calculated, and now that you called him on some BS, he's making you be the "emotional one" and he's Mr Brainy.

I think his ploy failed and he has to blame shift it on you because he "can't" have any failures. Not him, so it has to be you.

I could be wrong, but he gives me a jerk vibe from your posts. I think you are well out of it.

1) How much is it my own stuff being triggered because I haven't been in a poly situation before ? (far less relationship anarchy)

Recovering from being love bombed might feel like run over by a car emotionally.

If the "why? why?" thing starts up in your head, push it away and focus on how you advocated for yourself and got yourself out of the weird. It is GOOD that your stuff was triggered. It led you to spot the weird fast.

2) Is it because I don't know how people 'do' poly and what is 'ok'? (Is this how poly is supposed to be ?) (I mean, I realise there's different 'ways' people would call ok, but aren't there some guidelines...)

Poly is DIY. So are values, ethics, manners.

Don't let his smooth talk keep snowing you. You do not have previous poll experience to know consent.

He has poor ethics if he's asking you to participate in things without your full consent. Only now he's being all "Mr. Intellectual Superior" with his "Oh, BTW, do you know about relationship anarchy?" There's nothing wrong with relationship anarchy. There is something wrong with how he pulls that out now to try to make you feel small. While glossing over the fact that if he were a person of ethics, he would have brought it up sooner.

All these behaviors of his are off putting.

3) Is he just being a jerk? or messed up? (His own stuff)

YES.

4) I didn't sign up for being in a poly scene in the first place - ( lack of informed consent). I certainly didn’t sign up for relationship anarchy...

Correct.

5) We just weren't a match...

Correct.
6) I was developing a heart connection and he wasn't gonna meet me there...?

Nope. Just fakin' it and love bombing you to hook you.

That's my opinion. I am glad you are out of it. He's a jerk sounding dude.

Galagirl
 
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Thank you GalaGirl, you put it very clearly and I agree, I'm glad I'm out of it. I specially agree with this:

He has poor ethics if he's asking you to participate in things without your full consent. Only now he's being all "Mr. Intellectual Superior" with his "Oh, BTW, do you know about relationship anarchy?" There's nothing wrong with relationship anarchy. There is something wrong with how he pulls that out now to try to make you feel small. While glossing over the fact that if he were a person of ethics, he would have brought it up sooner.

Galagirl

This is what's really made me feel angry - and the head-spinny stuff.

I realise I really need clarity and information about where someone is coming from in a potential relationship. Its not always easy to pitch the timing of when to ask searching questions, but like other poeple here have said, there were huge areas of assumption and vagueness in this set-up, and I'll be trying to avoid that particular pitfall in future.....

Feline
 
Glad to read that you dumped the jerk and are now seeing more clearly. I wish other posters who come here with their relationship predicaments would be as smart as you! As for seeing him in your social setting, if you do run into him again, give yourself a pat on the back for having the wherewithal to get free of him and pay him no mind. He isn't important.
 
This is what's really made me feel angry - and the head-spinny stuff.

I realise I really need clarity and information about where someone is coming from in a potential relationship

I'd be mad too -- nobody likes mind games. I'm sorry you had to deal in that but really glad you are out of it fast.

Call it a learning experience. Dismiss this jerk, but keep the take home nuggets.

1) Notice if a person is triggering you. When the caution flag goes up, investigate to find out why. Sometimes it is a false alarm, but sometimes it really is because they are a jerk!

2) If the new dating potential doesn't just say from the start what they are looking for? Now you know to ask straight up. Then you can find out what you want to know for clarity's sake and for full informed consent.

Galagirl
 
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Thanks NyCindie, I appreciate the support :)

and GalaGirl, yeah I can see it as a lucky escape and a lesson learned.

On another positive level - because this was chewing me up, I've done a lot of reading about polyamory in the last couple of weeks - 'The Ethical Slut' and 'Opening Up' - and also found resources like this forum and polyamory uk.. its made me think about what I really want. It's still a work in progress but I'm a bit better informed now and that's gotta be good.

So thanks to everyone for all your comments. Sorry I haven't responded to each one but they've all given me something to think about. I'm gonna put this behind me now, knowing it doesn't have to be like that, and there are better ways to meet and get involved, and lots of kindly and heartwise folks out there.

Love to you all,
Feline xxx
 
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