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I seriously doubt anything will stop a sane person from choosing Clinton over Trump. The local news went around asking voters if this affected anything and they all laughed and said no. Then my aunt, who lives in another state, posted a fake story about Hillary cancelling a rally down here that never happened. I don't understand why people let themselves get manipulated like that. It's obvious...isn't it? I mean it's not like I am some sort of genius.If I kept getting lied to by my own party I would be pissed. I would also wonder why we need to lie if we were right.

I think Hillary was wrong about deplorables. It's definitely more than half.
 
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I'm more worried about war with Russia.

But at the same time...I'm not sure we should allow Putin to intimidate us as a nation with threats of war, to choose one candidate over another.

It doesn't matter. I chose her over a man whom I consider likely to be a rapist, or at the very least a toxic narcissist of the most horrifying order. The list of things I'd rather vote for than Trump absolutely stands.

I've read too much about Hillary having seriously bad ethics to really support her, but I would prefer her over Trump.

But...

I would prefer over Trump:

-Bernie
-John McAfee
-Hillary
-Almost anyone
-A styrofoam cup with a face drawn on it
-A tree sloth
-Vermin Supreme
-The mummified corpse of Ronald Reagan
-Two white mice who secretly run the whole thing
-The bird that landed on Bernie's podium
-Very small rocks
-Canada (working in shifts)
-A taco bowl prepared anywhere but the Trump Grill in Trump Towers
-Trump's hairpiece, sans actual Trump
-A small venomous lizard
-Al Gore (I think he just needs friends.)
-ManBearPig

...you get the idea.

What can we add to the list now!?

- An exploding Samsung device
- A cheese sandwich
- pocket lint (hey. Pocket lint never raped anybody!)

Actually, guys...pick pretty much any white card from "Cards Against Humanity." I would rather have whatever is on that card, than Donald Trump as president, I am pretty sure.

I can't wait for this to be over.
 
Being a geek my addition would be

String or nothing!

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Oh, and Kevin, I like America the Beautiful too, the god part not so much, but the idea that we should be working toward a better future as many of our forebears did, is great.
 
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Actually, the Star-Spangled Banner does bring God into it, just not in its very-familiar first verse. Meantime, it says nothing about slaves or Native Americans.

I am an atheist and I'm willing to have a national anthem that entreats God in its first verse (okay in all four verses) if it's as artistically appealing as America the Beautiful.

For reference ...

"Oh say, can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming,
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?

And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof thru the night that our flag was still there.
Oh say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

---

On the shore, dimly seen thru the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?

Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines on the stream;
'Tis the star-spangled banner! Oh, long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

---

Oh, thus be it ever, when free men shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war's desolation!
Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the heav'n-rescued land
Praise the Pow'r that hath made and preserved us a nation!

Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: 'In God is our trust!'
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!"
 
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I'm more worried about war with Russia.

But at the same time...I'm not sure we should allow Putin to intimidate us as a nation with threats of war, to choose one candidate over another.

Putin is just trying to flex his muscles. The talk of impending doom is a fabrication of the right.

Putin knows Hillary won't let him get away with shit. He know Trump is clueless so of course he would rather have Trump. Trump's response to this - "No puppet. No puppet. You're the puppet." - is a further indication of his inability. International affairs are more sophisticated than swindling investors out of money on real estate deals.
 
America... what the fuck have you done.

Just got up, but now I'm feeling like going back to bed and never getting up again. Gutted. Horrified.
 
I AM STUNNED

Not disheartened about America, but dumbfounded. I don't think that people who voted for Trump are stupid and in fact, Trump might do a lot of good for our budget and our world economy. But I was wrong in a big way and I admit it! Wow.

Trump's victory speech "I will be president for all Americans."
Watching this speech, I can see why he won. He wasn't my choice by a long shot, but he will be our president and today I'm going to make it my business to look for the good that this man's presence will do in the world. I'm not going to start doomsaying or hand wringing and today I am going to listen to what he has to say. I'm sure that there will be much for me to disagree with him about, but today I'm going to start with listening.
 
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America... what the fuck have you done.

Just got up, but now I'm feeling like going back to bed and never getting up again. Gutted. Horrified.

Horrified is definitely what I'm feeling. Doesn't help that the Republicans have the Senate and House, too :(
 
It feels as though we're all having a very, very weird dream. How could this be? How could this be? How could this be?:confused:
 
How could this be?:confused:

One thing that can account for his win is that there is not as huge a race divide over him as is commonly assumed in the media. For example, The New York Times assumes here that Hillary "has the Latino vote" but 29% of that vote in Florida went to Trump yesterday. Florida re-elected a Republican Latino senator, Marco Rubio, and of course, not all of his supporters are white guys. We liberals do ourselves and the country a disservice by characterizing all conservatives as selfish bigots and idiots. We close our eyes to legitimate perspectives and concerns there. When I say "we," I also include traditional media and even pollsters, who as a whole, clearly do not know how to read anymore what has become a varied and complicated American social landscape. To dismiss the Republican Party as a mere bunch of fearful white bigots is to miss what a lot of good people have to say about how this nation should be run. Yesterday they showed us that we have to listen and I, for one, intend to. I don't think that this says shameful things about America because there is much more to Trump's appeal than what a few sensational headlines would imply. Almost (Hillary won the popular election) half of the voters in this country opted for Trump and instead of worrying about "what this says about America," I want to understand better what the reasons are - and they're not all based on bigotry and misogyny.

Everyone complains how Congress can't get anything done because of the partisan bickering. Well, this is how work begins: by listening to each other and by seeing individuals as much more than caricatures. Bi-partisanship begins right here, with me.
 
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I AM STUNNED

Not disheartened about America, but dumbfounded. I don't think that people who voted for Trump are stupid and in fact, Trump might do a lot of good for our budget and our world economy. But I was wrong in a big way and I admit it! Wow.

Trump's victory speech "I will be president for all Americans."
Watching this speech, I can see why he won. He wasn't my choice by a long shot, but he will be our president and today I'm going to make it my business to look for the good that this man's presence will do in the world. I'm not going to start doomsaying or hand wringing and today I am going to listen to what he has to say. I'm sure that there will be much for me to disagree with him about, but today I'm going to start with listening.

I very sincerely and deeply, almost desperately, hope that this works out for you. It would be amazing if my fears do not come to pass.

With our government entirely in the hands of Republicans and the world stage set as it is, I see no possible good coming of this. I want to run, hide, and have fleetingly contemplated alternatives more dire.

My Grandpa is dying. Before he goes, he will know that every civil right won in his lifetime will be wiped away, and that his daughter and granddaughter are looking to a pretty hopeless future.

My Mom is dependent upon the state welfare system not only for benefits or healthcare, she WORKS for DHS. I expect that will be gutted.

Social security? Not for long.

Trump doesn't think that consent matters...but it's not really like women had much legal protection from rape anyways. It's just that a generation of young men will grow up thinking that's what being a real man and not a loser looks like. Those willing to violate women, and they are many more than I wanted to give our society credit for, shall now be emboldened. I do not feel safe. I used to defend men. Now I will defend no one. The well of compassion has officially run dry. I'm having a hard time even looking my teenage son in the face, I can't even lie. I have never felt so betrayed in my life. I feel like a majority of my country has just told me that I am not a human and deserve no rights, no decency, and no civility.

If you aren't a rich man you're a loser. If you aren't a hot woman, you're a disgusting pig. If you are a hot woman, you're just a piece of ass. If you're not white, you're a rapist, criminal, basically an animal. If you're not a Christian, you must be a terrorist. Welcome to Murica. Klan rallies and lynchings, mass deportation and walls. Oh, and don't insult the leader or he'll sue you at the very least. He only likes free speech if he's the one running his mouth. Tried to teach your kids not to be bullies? We just elected the biggest bully of them all.

Fear and hate. And here I gave us so much credit.

I feel cold today, and like I have stones in my stomach, my heart. I can't speak to anyone out loud. I've been unfriending people left and right on Facebook, because I no longer wish to have contact with the many I can no longer trust. I'm actually thinking I should just leave social media, and all of my social groups behind.

But all of that...it's nothing really. It sucks. But it's nothing.

I'm still worried sick about Russia. Because on the one hand, we had Putin making threats about war if we elected Hillary, and her saying she would impose a no-fly zone over Syria. We are SO used to our foreign policies being about stuff that happened outside of our nation...only peripherally effecting us, never on our own soil, except in the eyes of our soldiers.

But what if Putin really had a horse in this race, far beyond wanting an American president who would let him do as he pleases with Syria. What if he actually stood to gain? I personally think that Trump would sell his own mother out for a gold leaf roll of toilet paper. Now he's got the support of the majority who are hateful and angry. So. What are we looking at? The destruction of America from within, as it could never be done from without? And Russia has a problem with declining birthrate for a long time now, and an aging and quickly dying population. Their biggest population growth has been from annexation and flexing its muscle in its neighborhood. Russian men are dying, drunk, and Russian women aren't breeding.

We have a lot of healthy, fertile breeders here in the States. What's stopping Trump from shipping Putin some nice human cattle? This is what we signed on for. The possibilities don't stop being horrifying.

Of course, most of America probably doesn't think it's really that horrifying as long as it doesn't effect them. As long as it's not YOUR woman, who cares? Women aren't human people like men anyways. Best get cozy with it, it's what I used to fear, it's the gremlin voice in my head, and it was right all along. This is what the men around me want, and fuck, some of the women, too. And me trying to trust and feel safe was nothing but a bad, delusional joke.

Though the reality is, the fools sold out the nation out of not only hate and fear, but a hopeful greed. They think their big chance to "live the dream" and have lots of money is personified in Trump. Uh huh. I can find no indication that he has ever in his life served anyone but himself. America is not going to prosper under him.

So yeah. Russia is talking peace now. Fantastic. And meanwhile, the world's economy is tanking.
 
I very sincerely and deeply, almost desperately, hope that this works out for you.

What do you mean, works out for me? The stance I'm taking is simply one of being open minded, as we liberals all pride ourselves on being. I don't advocate anything other than listening sincerely to what people with a very different point of view have to say.
 
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So despite neither being American nor following the election (or any of politics really) very closely, I'll comment too.

I am once more suprised how much of an information bubble I'm living in, because it really didn't seem from the past month or so that Trump was still standing a chance.
For those of you looking for the bright side, the only supportive voices I've heard say, that at least USA's external politics stands a chance of changing now, for most people in my bubble are not fans of USA's interventions in the middle east at all. They say every region USA's been to got destabilized with their ability to help themselves impaired, and in some sense that's certainly right.
So I just sincerely hope it's gonna all go for the best. That man certainly seems capable of runing amok. Hopefully he can keep himself in touch with reality in one way or another - then watching politics could get an even more unpleasant activity then it usually is, but real damage could be minimal.
 
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What do you mean, works out for me? The stance I'm taking is simply one of being open minded, as we liberals all pride ourselves on being. I don't advocate anything other than listening sincerely to what people with a very different point of view have to say.

Open minded and listening.

A coworker was overheard in my office yesterday, saying the following:

"Women only vote for Hillary because she is also a woman. Which proves that women are too stupid to deserve the right to vote, and to be able to make these decisions."

My office is full of women. The man will not be so much as reprimanded. We got a gentle reminder mass email from HR, when our rep was told about this, to "Please refrain from discussing politics on company time."

I've heard enough from the Trump supporters I know, and now that he's won, more of them are becoming more vocal. I keep having to unfriend people after they say that women like when men are forceful, consent is bullshit anyways, and most cases of supposed rape aren't even real. Haha, I'm eating popcorn and laughing at the liberal tears. Need a safe space? Feeling triggered? Get real. Men have always felt this way about women. Trump says what we all really think. And now that he's won, we can say it, too.

Feeling open minded? Feeling like listening? Shall I direct them your way?

I can't listen anymore. I'm too sick.

The only reasonable things I've heard is that some folks think that he will be good for the economy. They are hoping to personally prosper, when "the jobs come back." Also, remember during the primaries when I was upset about Hillary being part of the machine, the establishment? That sentiment is HUGE. People loved Bernie because at least his ideas were not the same old "bought and paid for" rhetoric. Hillary hate drove a lot of Trump's win...there were a lot of "never Hillary" people who really meant it. They saw her as a corrupt and lying politician, or they were looking to punish the DNC for not running Bernie. Many do not believe that he lost the nomination fair and square. And I know many military men who are very upset over Benghazi, among other things.

I get that. But Trump was a possibility too horrifying to be contemplated. And now Trump is what we get. And I can't contemplate too hard, or I'll end up hiding under my desk.
 
Clinton is actually on track to win the popular vote.
By 0.16 million votes. In a country of 319 million.

Even a margin of 16 million votes between them, a hundred times as much as there is, would look like a horrifying amount of support for Trump in my eyes. I mean, look at that guy. Listen to him.

I don't know how you can live on in a country where you know that literally half of your compatriots are Trump voters.

Frankly, I've never been happier not to be American. But that doesn't stop me from still being scared shitless even with the Atlantic Ocean between me and a giant, nuke-wielding country filled with hordes of completely insane, deplorable, hate-driven people.

As of today, Trump-America scares me a thousand times more than ISIS ever could - very much different sandboxes we're talking there.

The only "good" thing? Germans will probably not have to hear the question "how could you have let this happen?" much anymore. As of today, you've proven that the rise of Hitler was in no way a specifically German phenomenon, so I guess we can put our national guilt complex to rest after 70 years. Berlin 1933, Washington 2016... same shit, marginally different assholes... and you elected your narcissitic fascist with more support than Old Adolf ever scraped up in the elections he ran in over here.

So, yeah... my feeling of horror at what will be coming the next weeks, months, and years is palpable, and I don't see myself relaxing any time soon.
 
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I am no longer proud to be an American. I always have been, while still being very aware of the many flaws and a difficult, painful history.

That is no longer true. My fellow white Americans have repudiated everything that makes us American for a con man who will do nothing for them and will complete the destruction of Congress, the Presidency, the First Amendment, the Second Amendment, among others. The Republican party is now openly and proudly the white supremacist party.

I am ashamed of my country and especially white Trump supporters who are responsible for this debacle.
 
As of today, you've proven that the rise of Hitler was in no way a specifically German phenomenon, so I guess we can put our national guilt complex to rest after 70 years. Berlin 1933, Washington 2016... same shit, marginally different assholes... and you elected your narcissitic fascist with more support than Old Adolf ever scraped up in the elections he ran in over here.
Well, I've been tought in my history classes that (the danger of) electing Hitler is not unique to Germany. If you need more evidence, add Brexit and add the presidents of at least two countries neighbouring to Germany.

However I soooo hope that you're exagerating.
 
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