The Best Life Yet

Het Reverie,
I have really enjoyed reading your last few posts. I am impressed with how you keep living your life how you want to live it. You seem to have embraced a new or slightly different path when it comes to managing relationships. Less worry about the future, more living in the now and holding people to a certain standard. Good for you :D
Atlantis
 
Het Reverie,
I have really enjoyed reading your last few posts. I am impressed with how you keep living your life how you want to live it. You seem to have embraced a new or slightly different path when it comes to managing relationships. Less worry about the future, more living in the now and holding people to a certain standard. Good for you :D
Atlantis

Thanks! I'm always testing out different paths to see which one leads me to the most peace and happiness. Sometimes I get a ways down a path before realizing it gets too thorny and needing to backtrack and try something else. Sometimes I have to stick to the main road because I don't have enough mental energy at the moment to mark my way on the smaller paths without getting lost. And sometimes I feel like a bold explorer and trek way off the beaten path with a supreme confidence in my own sense of direction and a lust for adventure.

I've had people in my life tell me that I'm "wishy-washy" or that my constantly diving gung-ho into new things gives them whiplash, and my always exploring new ways of being detracts from my credibility, so it's nice to hear that someone recognizes and is impressed by this life-strategy of mine.
 
A few thoughts I wanted to drop off, not necessarily very related to each other, and in no particular order or cohesive form because I'm just kinda bookmarking them:

1. NRE

The concept of NRE not just as high-inducing and bonding chemicals, but, in a way, as a study drug. More openness to learning new things, seeing the world in other ways—lubricating change to make it fun instead of stressful.

2. Inclusivity.

Different combinations of people make me feel differently about it, which I didn't realize till just now. Most of the time, I've been very gung-ho about being pleased when everyone can hang out together—the more the merrier, getting a chance to see multiple people I'm interested in at once, etc. Rider feels the same way.

Rider + most of my past other partners have been fine (Sam, Moss, Jake, Beckett, Allie, more . . . )

But Jasper wasn't comfortable with that, so, at his request, after first meeting Rider, we kept it almost entirely separate. I would have liked hanging with them both, but since he didn't want to, I was flexible about it. And Rider was very staunch about not wanting to see affection even if we did hang out altogether, which was fine.

Trying to picture mixing Rider and Dustin and . . . this seems nearly impossible for me to unravel. I can't imagine wanting to be around Dustin without being all over him. I can't imagine Rider being cool with that. Plus I think I would feel weird? And I think it's important to Rider for new stuff to be more inclusive than the Jasper thing was. He often complained about how the weirdest part for him when I was with Jasper is that he necessarily couldn't also be there because poly things gave Jasper extreme anxiety.

I kinda think . . . I *want* this one to be separate? Not that I wouldn't like them to be friends or never run into each other at shows or parties, just . . . if my time is gonna be so limited with someone, I want to be able to give them 100% when I'm in the room with them, not divide my attention. I don't like the idea of forcing a hangout. Still unraveling this. It's definitely not my normal stance, but I don't think I'm being influenced by outside forces. Whatever this is, it's coming from inside me. I suspect when I communicate this to Rider, he's going to be unhappy about it. I wouldn't even blame him.

But I'm suddenly really feeling like there is not a one-size-fits-all approach that is gonna work with every combination of people, and like "this is how we do things" can't be so black and white.

3. Neglect

This is something I'm going to explore here because Rider and I decided to drop it last night. While I was chopping veggies for dinner, I was idly chattering aloud to Rider some thoughts I'd been having about my texting issue. I told him I was trying to find my way out of being bothered by it, and I felt like I was starting to see some light at the end of the tunnel—a place I could get to where I could still feel connected to people without intense contact.

I wasn't being all super serious, just flitting around from thought to thought about related topics, feeling happy and light and curious. I didn't think it was a serious conversation (we'd shelved other serious conversations because we were both too tired to process) but rather just me thinking aloud about something that seemed like a positive.

He reacted kind of negatively and said something along the lines (I don't remember the exact wording) of "being able to be zen about things is a good thing, but you shouldn't have to be OK with people neglecting you." He definitely used the word "neglect," and I paused in my chopping to gather my thoughts, then dove in trying to better explain myself.

I was trying to explain how I have friends—I think we all do—that I don't keep in very close contact with, but they're still very much my friends. We might text each other something when we think of each other, but neither of us feel hurt by the silence in between. On the contrary, the silence in between is the status quo, and we feel positive addition from finally hearing from the person.

And he shut me down and said, "Can we not talk about this right now?"

Well, OK, sure. So he watched TV, and I kept preparing dinner, and instead of thinking aloud, I just kept my thoughts inside my head. I was thinking about how I think the connotation of "neglect" includes "duty." You can neglect children or pets because you're responsible for them. You can neglect your spouse if you have certain agreements and expectations of each other. You can neglect a building or a yard that you are supposed to maintain.

To my understanding neglect is when you are supposed to do something, and you fail to do it.

But where does that "supposed to" come from?

It might come from an agreement—you've agreed to do something in a certain way, and now, you are supposed to do it. It might come from an established pattern that you have with a person—if you hang out with someone every Friday for a year, they might reasonably suppose you to keep hanging out with them on Friday, and it might be neglect if they stop for a few weeks in a row without explaining themselves.

But if I meet a new friend, and we have no history, no agreements, no expectations, no patterns that might inform how our friendship should go, then it is kind of impossible for that person to "neglect" me. Because they have no duty to me, nor I to them.

Now, it's possible for someone to lie to me about what I can expect from them. And it's possible for someone to change their mind partway through after establishing a pattern and leave me feeling neglected, whether I technically am or not. But I feel like assigning the concept of neglect to people willy-nilly just because they happen to be a part of my life would be quite unfair to them

I also was thinking, like, it's no one's job but mine to make sure my needs are met. If I have a need for a certain amount of attention from friends and lovers, it is my job to make sure that I make enough time and space in my life for those people, and that I choose people that are willing to be a piece in my life mosaic in whatever fashion we mutually agree upon. I don't need every person in the mosaic to meet every need I have.

As long as I'm making sure my needs are met, then I'm not neglecting myself, and as long as particular people are participating in the manner we've agreed upon (or haven't agreed upon), then they are not neglecting me. If I'm not being neglected, then I'm probably going to be pretty happy and view all the people in my life as bonus-yay-happy-fun-time rather than as cups that sit sadly empty unless they're actively being filled with attention from the person.

So, then. It's kind of odd to me that Rider would translate an upbeat not-too-weighty set of statements I was making about feeling able to be more zen and relax about stuff, into the idea that I might be excusing neglect. I get that he doesn't want to see me hurt—I know he always wants the best for me—but maybe he hasn't thought through the whole idea of the relationship between duty and neglect, nor realized that some connections are structured so that they are more or less free of duty. I'll talk to him about it sometime, when it makes sense. And this brings me to a related point:

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4. Processing and sharing: heavy vs. light

This one's still a pretty rough sketch. I was thinking, as I was chopping and he'd asked me to stop talking, about the difference between sharing and processing, and the difference between heavy things to talk about vs. light ones.

I feel like, for me, things are far more likely to be heavy processing things if there is a problem or a conflict. But I have a constantly whirring little brain that is almost always processing something, and it isn't always a problem that I'm processing. Light processing is the kind of stuff I was doing above—I'm just exploring ideas, pulling pieces together, figuring things out by zooming into details and then zooming out to see the full picture. Sometimes I process alone. And sometimes I process by bouncing stuff off of others because it makes for interesting conversation. The sharing can happen at any point.

Process alone - Keep mouth shut - No sharing
Process alone - Explain conclusions to others - Sharing conclusions only
Process aloud - Feedback loop with others - Sharing all the while

I am more likely to need to wait for a "good time" if processing heavy shit needs to be discussed. But I kind of feel like since I'm processing light stuff all the time, then if I'm sharing the process or the conclusions aloud, it's just day to day banter—no special circumstances needed.

It's an interesting thing to be asked to keep my own counsel during one of those times. I readily complied, and I didn't even feel bad about it, but it did cause me to think stuff . . .

. . . if I just keep processing and not updating someone along the way, what if my understanding of stuff diverges greatly from theirs after a while? Sometimes I feel like the levels I go into while processing are so dense with stuff that if someone isn't along for the ride, it might be impossible to give them the Cliff Notes version and have it be as richly understood.

. . . when will be a good time? Not tonight—band practice. And not this weekend—it's the weekend we're celebrating Rider's birthday, and he always holds "birthday weekend" as a sacred partying time. We've already put off our other convo to the point where it is almost not relevant anymore—and that's fine—but if, say, I want to get into the specifics of discussing something non-heavy like "the definition of neglect" and that ship passes, will it ever sail by again if a week goes by? We'll just keep on having different understandings of the same concept, and who knows how it might affect our future conversations.

But I'm all for him setting that boundary of not talking about stuff when he doesn't wanna talk about it. I think I am just coming to realize that there is almost no one on earth who is as verbal as me, and maybe this blog is a better place for stuff far more often than human ears are. At least when people come here, they're looking to be barraged with words. Which is good, because that's about what they're going to get.

5. Dustin

I realized earlier that, if I think about it, he's already given me some pretty good clues about when the best time(s) to catch him is. It's just a matter of being willing to work within the available parameters.

I think I'd likely have occasional luck with spur-of-the-moment texting to ask if he wants to go to happy hour that day or the next (he lives not far from where I work). And also, his music gig Sunday nights is a recurring, standing thing. So I might want to ask him at some point in the days leading up to a Sunday (a Sunday I'm willing to stay up late on) whether he'd like me to come catch his set.
 
Sometimes I feel like a frigging genius. (Not often, haha, but sometimes.)

I looked at our rehearsal schedule for tonight and realized we're not in the practice space till 9:00. I usually leave work around 5:00 or 5:30. I realized that this leaves plenty of time to try out the happy hour strategy with Dustin.

So I texted him.

"Wanna grab a taco and a margarita at Restaurant happy hour later? The calabacitas taco there kicks ass. I stop there sometimes on my way home."

He wrote back within 20 minutes, "What time were you thinking?"

And then proceeded to make plans and to flirt with me for an hour afterward. He said there is a chance he also has to rehearse tonight, but if it wasn't too early, I'd see him there.

Squeeeee!

I always feel so pleased with myself when I crack the code of the best way to relate to a particular person. Sometimes it takes a long time and a lot of stabbing around in the dark. Sometimes they give me enough clues (without ever saying it outright) that I am able to quickly reach success.

I credit my communication major and its elementary concepts for all of this. My interpersonal communication class was the first time I ever came to understand that different message receivers respond better to different strategies (in terms of context, medium, etc.). And I've been applying these concepts to interactions with people ever since!

Life is a classroom. :cool:
 
I agree that it's good for those of us whose minds chew on things a lot, to have something like a blog or journal or somewhere to do processing stuff without making it a Thing by necessarily going to a partner with it.

There was a time, a while back, where Zen would read my blog and the stuff would seem really heavy and serious, and he would get all concerned...he says he has learned, it's just where I go to process and work things out, and not to take it too seriously. Like if there is a Thing we need to work on together, I'll bring it to him as such. Otherwise, don't assume that my blogging is throwing down with problems to be solved.
 
I keep forgetting to mention here that Jasper has contacted me a few times right in a row recently, kind of out of the blue. Monday, while I was out with Cherry, he texted just to see how I was doing. Tuesday, he texted to see if I wanted to come over, and then apologized for it. Wednesday, he "liked" one of my Facebook posts. That's more interaction than I've gotten from him such quick succession since like . . . January? He must be lonely.

There hasn't been TOO MUCH of a delay since we'd last talked; as I mentioned here, I was trying early last week to see if he wanted to hang out just as friends while Rider was out of town, and he said he'd look at his schedule and let me know, and then just kinda never got back to me. That, for me, was the emotional last straw. I think that even if we do become platonic friends, I'll be holding him at arm's length. And now he seems to be doing that "only be interested when I'm not interested" thing that always puzzles me about guys.

Even if I wasn't #overit, though, I really don't have time for him right now. Since he vanished, I've started things with Cherry and Dustin, and I am actually at perfect, ideal polysaturation right now: I have my huge, steady, loving, wonderful thing with Rider; I have a new, casual, sexually charged thing with Dustin; and, in Cherry, I have a sweet, fun, smart new chick friend to also make out with. It really seems like this whole FWB thing is the way to go for me, at least right now. Shortly after deciding to do it that way, good stuff has been kinda falling into my lap.

OK, now that I actually remembered to write about that, on to the other stuff that has been taking up more of my brain.

My happy hour meeting with Dustin turned out to be kind of an actual date, haha. I realized after I’d asked him that I wasn’t wearing any makeup (eek!) since I usually don’t at work unless I know I’m going out afterward. That meant Googling beauty supply stores en route to the restaurant and stopping to get some cheap eye makeup, at least. I hastily put it on in the restaurant bathroom and ran a comb through my helmet-frizzed, bike-sweaty hair. It would have to do!

I’d told him I’d likely precede him there, and I did. I decided to start re-reading the Dark Tower series on my Kindle app while I waited. With my back to the door, I saw his silhouette enter, reflected in my laptop screen and turned around.

He’d put on a white, collared shirt and looked freshly scrubbed. It was a mild shock—the three other times I’d seen him, he was in grungy rock attire of varying levels of cleanliness. But now, with his shortish hair combed back tidily, he could have been any other “regular adult” . . . if all the bracelets tied around his wrists hadn’t given him away. He looked happy to see me and gave me a kiss. I remarked playfully about the shirt, and he gave me a boyish half-smile and said it was the cleanest dirty shirt he owned.

We moved from the bar to a table and ordered food and drinks. The vegetarian tacos there are to die for. We each got one zucchini (calabacitas) and one creamy corn (elote). He eats meat but seems to try to lean veggie in my presence.

As we nibbled, we talked about everything. He’s a good talker—neither too quiet nor overpowering—and he peppered his stories with little questions about me, too, so that it was like we were weaving together a story of our lives through parallel tangents and circling back. We discussed our families, our moving histories, education, books, visual art, music, drugs, what we love about this city, places that would be fun to go to explore. He had me look up a location he said he’d like to take me.

When we finished our food, he came around to sit on the same side of the table as me so that we could cuddle and kiss a bit while we talked.

He said it was really cool that I’d gotten in touch to hang out, and I explained to him that I had taken heed of his assertion that he is an “in the moment person” and, if that’s what it takes to be able to hang out, then I am willing to do it. He looked thoughtful and said, “Well, but, you’re a planner, right? For you, I could make a plan.” He pulled out his phone and showed me his calendar, pointing out what the things on there were. Bar gigs. A radio performance. A woman’s name—his sister, he quickly clarified with a chuckle. It was almost all music stuff, though. I found the transparency . . . odd? Not bad-odd, just unusual. I’m used to most guys being secretive about their calendars, and reticent to discuss their pasts (not everyone, but MOST guys, for sure). He’s so open about everything, and has been from the start.

I pulled my calendar out too, and we discovered that we are both about to be out of town a lot, at opposite times, so there are going to be very few chances for us to interact. I’m traveling for business, and the day after I get back, he’s leaving for some tour dates, then to go see his family out East. Then I’m going to a geek con and he’s doing more tour dates. And then it’s already a week into August. I suspected it was going to be this way, but it was a bummer to see it laid out in writing. There might be a FEW days in there, but not many.

Well,” I said, “we could maybe get breakfast after the testing. That could be one way to get a little time in.” He said he liked that idea, and even said he could pick me up. I looked back at the calendar, further scrutinizing the next couple of weeks.

“Oh!” I exclaimed, “I had to take Wednesday off of work so that I could get my kitten his booster shots! So we could hang out after I’m done with that! I’ll be free all day—we could do anything we want!”

“Anything?” he asked, looking at me flirtatiously.

“Well . . . our test results probably won’t be back that quickly. But ALMOST anything.” A heat wave surged over my body. I sighed, feeling super happy but then also pretty wistful, knowing that, in all likelihood given my past experience with this place, our results would be in my inbox the exact day I leave town and then won’t see him for two weeks. :/

Soon it was time to go. He walked me out to my bicycle and kissed me a bunch and exclaimed how cute I was in my pink leopard helmet. I literally rode off into the sunset, feeling super happy.

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When I got home, Rider was in kind of a funk. Part of it was being hangry, part of it was that our drummer flaked on rehearsal (we might end up needing to replace that guy), and part of it was that he was grumpy about my date with Dustin.

I decided to try to make him feel happy and special by offering to take him out for a pre-rehearsal drink at a bar that we don’t make it to often anymore. It’s a special place for us, being the first place we hung out when we moved to town, that first night we were stuck in a nearby hotel. We sat at the bar with our drinks, and he still looked very unhappy.

“Are you OK?” I asked, beginning to feel genuinely concerned. He took a very, very long time to say even a word. When he finally did, he said he didn’t really want to go into it right now, but that he should probably say that he had been hoping for me to have been rabid with missing him when he got back from his trip, clawing to be all over him, and he was worried that the reason I wasn’t is that I’ve been distracted by Dustin.

I reassured him that, no, that wasn’t it at all. The reason he didn’t receive more of an enthusiastic welcome from me Tuesday night when he got in was that he didn’t get home until nearly 1:00 a.m.; it was already pushing my bounds of sleep deprivation to stay up that late. Yes, staying up late with Dustin two nights prior contributed to that, but even if I hadn’t been already running at a deficit, I’d have still been pretty wilty by that hour.

And the next day, I’d been so tired that I’d literally fallen asleep on the couch the moment I got home from work. I’d plopped my laptop onto my chest, intending to wait for Rider to get home, and in the half-hour or so in between, I passed out so hard that I could barely register his arrival. I vaguely remember rousing a little when he came through the door, and mumbling that I’d start to work on dinner soon, before falling back into a deep sleep.

We *did* have sex that night, but I was too tired to reach orgasm. And he was very tired as well. He, too, spent a lot of time dozing on the couch. I reassured him that we could have sex again that night, and that I’d been looking all day at the cute pics that Reina had put up on Facebook of him in false lashes and a dress, and thinking how lucky I am to have such a pretty husband. This made him look like he felt somewhat better.

I hadn’t thought to tell him that before because I thought it was a given that I find him attractive. I *had* already liked and commented on the pics, after all. I internally resolved to give praise a little more freely right now if he is feeling insecure.

He also said again that he wished *he* were seeing someone new, but that he knew it's not my fault that he's not really feeling trying to make that happen. I sent him a link to a poly cocktail event happening next week and said, with a wink, maybe you can meet someone to hang out with while I'm gone. He said he'll think about it and thanked me.

Then we went to rehearsal, and it was fun. And afterward we had a late-night snack with Joel and Carrie. And came home and had short-but-satisfying sex. All of that—the reassurance, the drinks, the food, the music, the friends—seemed to bring him back around to a good headspace.

It’s true that I have been thinking a lot about Dustin, but it’s not that I’m not also thinking a lot about Rider. Dustin is new, so he’s a puzzle to solve. When I have a puzzle to solve, my mind tends to turn it over and over to figure out how it works. And, of course, lust for a new person tends to permeate the mind.

But I’ve also been working on birthday plans for Rider—ordering his gift, looking up recipes for the pie I’m going to make, thinking about ways to make him happy and be romantic this evening. And I’ve been thinking of sex stuff we can do now that he’s back, in this little window of time before I leave.

As for the “jumping on each other rabidly” thing . . . that is always a rarity when I’ve been with someone a while. It was that way in the lull between Jasper and Dustin; it was that way before Jasper; and it was definitely that way last fall and summer when neither of us were really seeing anyone else anymore. I can work to jumpstart my libido to still have UTTERLY AMAZING sex with established partners—I do have some tricks—but the fact is that nothing gets it going like NRE. I’ve always been that way, and there doesn’t seem to be much that I can do about it. If anything, having a new partner makes me feel less overall “sexually dead” and that’s generally a boon for existing partners.

Rider knows this. But I don’t blame him for mourning it. I mourn it too, more often than one would think. What I wouldn’t give to be able to rev up super easily for just one person for a long stretch, possibly forever. It’s not in the cards for me, though, at least it never has been yet. Maybe one day that will change as my hormones evolve and shift though. I guess you never know.

I really enjoy being able to have a solid, super-compatible life partner, with whom I can still use my libido-jumpstarting tricks to have great sex, and also to have outside partners where I can actually remember what it feels like to have fierce lust inside of me and really CRAVE sex. And then I can remember what that was like with my life partner and how good it was, and it breathes new life into that connection too. I kind of fear that if I *didn’t* have that option, I might just end up either being nearly asexual over time, or cheating just to feel sexually alive for a moment.

And Dustin is no threat to Rider. As everyone has said, he’s not “boyfriend material.” And even if we fall for each other (which, let’s be honest, whether he does or not, I usually do—I almost never “like” anyone, but when I do, it easily morphs into more), there is not space in each other’s lives for partnership with each other. Maybe it turns into a longtime sexual friendship thing, if it goes well, but I have no desire to do commitment or a processing-level relationship with someone who is gone on tour a third of the time and is awake opposite hours to me most of the rest of the time. :p

So that was yesterday. Today has just been work so far. I did get some nice texts from Dustin after I inquired whether he knew what time the live radio thing was happening this evening. He gave me the time and then told me "BTW, I can't stop thinking about you . . ." and then later, "Kisses!"

Tonight, Rider and I are supposed to do drinks and dinner and then a dress-up session. I'm looking forward to it. :)

Till then, I will leave you all with a couple of cute pictures: one of the ones that Reina took of Rider all dressed up and then a pic someone snapped of Dustin a few hours before we met, at the event we both played. Oddly, he doesn't seem to look at the camera much. Most of the pics on his Facebook have his eyes averted. This one, I thought, nicely captured his vibe of mellow kindness.
 
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I do have some decisions to make, though. Dustin was super up front with me when we were having the testing conversation that he may have HPV but doesn't know for sure because his doctor had told him that it was not easy to test for reliably in men. But he for sure has had female partners that have tested positive for it. I know that at my last pap, they'd done a genetic test of some kind for it, and I do not have it (or at least didn't then). He said that in that case it may be worth my while to consider trying to get the vaccine for it if I want to have sex with him, even though I'm above the target range, since it can be spread through skin contact in ways that condoms don't always prevent. So I'm looking into it. If I'm outside the target age range, it may not be covered by insurance, and I don't have a ton of money to throw around right now. But on the other hand, it may just be a good idea in general as a non-monogamous person living in a big city who has tested free of it so far. I suppose the least I can do is contact my primary care doctor and find out. I wonder if medical offices do payment plans on stuff. Anyone here who has dealt with this issue, feel free to weigh in and share your experiences here...

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Then I got into the HPV stuff. He said something along the lines of "Let's just weigh the options. I think we can figure out a way to be as safe as possible so that you don't catch it or give it to me. For sure it would be a drag to catch it and have to disclose to future partners."

In the time since our talk, I actually did a bunch of reading over on Reddit. People over there were saying that almost everyone has had at least some strains of the virus in their life, especially if they are non-monogamous, and generally the infection clears itself, i.e., is not permanent. (They also linked me to this handy article.) So I may already have had some strains that are no longer active in my body (hence why I'm testing negative for it) and have some immunity. And also that means that even if Dustin DID have while he was dating whoever that was who had it, there's a good likelihood that it's gone by now if some time has passed.

I was told that if you ask a doctor whether a guy MUST disclose this, every doctor would say absolutely not, so I guess Dustin is just being super open in a way that is not necessary—basically meaning that in the off chance I *did* get it, Rider would not have to disclose.

So, general consensus seems to be that I can get the vaccine if I really want to be super duper safe and if I have $600 just lying around, but that if I don’t bother, since I’m already 35 and have been with a bunch of people, I am likely to not catch it anyway, and if I did catch it, Rider wouldn’t have to tell anyone. He might WANT to, if I had an active infection, but that seems highly unlikely. I'm just glad that he wouldn't HAVE TO. The last thing I would want to do is saddle him with a situation that could diminish his desirability to other partners. *I* feel chill about the whole situation, but I know a lot of people are very un-chill about even minor STIs.

With this knowledge, I’m beginning to lean toward “vaccine unnecessary” but I'll do some more talking to Rider about it when he's back in town. I want to make sure we're on the same page, for sure, since it's his health too.

I am enjoying (as always) reading your blog regarding recent events.

With regards to HPV - scientific studies done years (several decades ago) relate that 90% of sexually active female college students have been exposed to the virus. Most people clear it. The high risk strains (which are covered by the vaccine) cause abnormal pap smears which can (if untreated) lead to cervical cancer. The low risk strains can lead to genital (or other) warts.

Now-a-days we don't even start to look for high-risk HPV/ do pap smears on anyone younger than 21. We offer vaccination for females and males from age 9-11 to 26. After 26 (for women) it is actually harder to contract HPV of the cervix. Testing for heterosexual men is pretty much never done, anal pap smear with HPV testing is available for men who have receptive anal intercourse with other men, but is not routinely offered in many clinics.

I, personally, have tested positive for HPV in the past - although my last tests have been negative. I had my first abnormal pap after I had condom-free sex with MrS (having used condoms religiously before that with every other partner). This was before HPV testing but, upon further questioning, his first GF had a history of abnormal paps. I was remiss in not really discussing this with Dude before fluid bonding (because, in my mind, everyone who had ever had sex had been exposed). When Dude was discussing fluid-bonding with Lotus I felt the need to discuss this within our network - our (collective) decision was for us to pay for 50% of her vaccinations since she was older than the 26 year old cut-off and would have to pay out of pocket - and to extend condom use until she had completed the series.

Yes, HPV can be transmitted without intercourse, but to have the virus get to the cervix requires (theoretically) actual contact with infected tissue. On the flip side, IF you get examined on a regular basis, AND get pap tests done on the recommended schedule, THEN, even if you get infected and it progresses to abnormal cells, you STILL have plenty of opportunity to get treated before infection leads to cancer. I, personally, am a fan of prevention... $600-750 seems reasonable to me to prevent a cancer, and once you have had the series it should be good for life. On the other hand, I got HPV before the vaccine was available - it is annoying to get more frequent paps and go through colposcopy and LEEPs but it is just a hassle, NOT a major ordeal...so I think either choice is reasonable depending on your circumstances.

(If you would like to discuss further, PM me.)
 
I have so much to write about . . . and so little time to write it. The very, very short version is that I had a great weekend with Rider celebrating his birthday (which is actually tomorrow) and also Toby's and Carrie's. We went out and had so much fun, and Rider, Perry, and I ended up crashing at Oona and Toby's place. It's been a while since I slept on someone's floor after a party, haha.

I also had a really fun time at the testing clinic Saturday morning with Dustin. Two hours in a waiting room really allows for plenty of getting to know each other, haha. Plus then we had brunch afterwards. I have so many details I want to go into, but there is seriously no time. One cool thing though is that I'd mentioned The Ethical Slut, and then coincidentally someone in the waiting room was reading it. I pointed it out to him, and then later, he had texted me asking what the name of the book was again. I think he's going to read it just totally of his own volition.

I hope I'll have time to fill in all the details of the weekend before they evaporate from my memory.
 
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I have a few moments in which to write. I'm still sitting at work because I have time to kill before my first vocal coaching lesson. TECHNICALLY I should be using this time to actually work, but I worked so hard all day and I just want some downtime. I have about half an hour to chill.

So I'll try to chip off a slightly more detailed account of the weekend. Friday night, I took Rider out for birthday dinner and drinks at a pub we'd never been to before. The food was very good, and the beers were reasonably priced. It's only about a mile from our place, so we decided to walk home around sunset. I found a huge blackberry bramble and engaged in a bit of urban foraging. I later used the blackberries to make delicious cocktails.

Rider and I spent most of the rest of that night being lazy, but I did dress him up pretty for me at the end, and we had really good sex.

Saturday morning was testing time. Dustin picked me up and I had fixed us some to-go iced coffees. We aimed to get there before it opened, and we did, but we were already 22nd and 23rd in line. That place is busy! We made the most of the wait, though, cuddling and chatting the entire time. I learned a lot about him, and there's a lot to like.

For all the somewhat juvenile party-boy side he shows when he's with his friends, when I have him to myself, something quite different emerges. He likes to talk about books and to philosophize and to say very sweet things to me. He talks a lot about his family. He leans in to rest his head on me and asks me to whisper things in his ear.

We discussed a fair bit of relationship-type stuff. He seemed worried that Rider would not be cool with everything, or that he wouldn't want his face rubbed in it. I assured him that Rider is fine knowing about everything, and he's a consenting adult who has agreed to the way that things are. "Like I said before," I told him, "he actually wants to be your friend."

"I think we're already friends!" said Dustin. "He seems really cool."

He told me a bit about his relationship history. He hasn't really had a capital R "Relationship" for a number of years. The last one lasted a couple years and ended ("as they all seem to," he said) with her wanting more—marriage, kids, settling down—than he was ready to do. He said that they broke up and within a year she had some other guy's kid. "I'm glad she's happy," he said, "but I thought that was a little weird."

After our numbers had been called, when we were separately being led through the pricking and poking process, we passed in the hall one time and his face just lit up. He jokingly said to the phlebotomist, "You take good care of her!"

Finally, after what seemed like forever, we were out of there. As we waited for the elevator, he noticed a stairwell. "I wonder if this goes to the roof—wanna find out? There might be a good view!" So we climbed 7 stories of stairs, but there was no roof access. There was, however, a big window on the 11th floor that looked out over the city. No one seemed to be on that floor on a Saturday. We dallied a while, pressing up against the window, kissing till I was breathless.

I'd promised him breakfast since he'd bought my tacos the other night, and we found a miraculous parking space right in front of the brunch restaurant. He grabbed my hand and then hesitated.

"Is it OK to be holding your hand in public like this?" he asked.

"You can hold my hand anywhere you want."

We had breakfast and just kept talking. I was becoming more impressed with him the longer that we talked. It's hard to explain—he just sees the world in an interesting way, and he is clearly very intelligent and very thoughtful about lots of things, despite not having a ton of education. When we were finished eating, he came around to sit next to me again. We were probably kissing more than is polite to do at a breakfast joint in the middle of the afternoon, but we were seated outside and almost no one else was because of how hot it was.

I told him that I like him a lot, and he said that he's been telling his friends: there's a girl he met that from the moment he saw her, he couldn't take his eyes off her, and from the moment she let him touch her, he couldn't keep his hands off her. And then he paused and said, "and, now, whenever we're apart, I can't keep my mind off of you."

Putting an arm around me, he said, "Whatever is gonna happen is gonna happen. I learned my lesson a long time ago about trying to make things work just because I want them to, or to try to make big plans about where I want something to go. But I'm really excited to see where this goes. I don't always . . ." he paused, "feel . . . things . . . like this. But since it's happening, I might as well go with it."

He looked into my eyes, and he looked like he already loves me. And in the bright sunlight, I noticed that he has the tiniest, barely even visible little sort-of-sunburst around his pupils. Like where blue is thinking about turning orange but is only just thinking of it.

I told him that I am also excited to see where things go—how this connection will unfold. I also again expressed a bit of surprise that he was being so intense, just because all signs had pointed to that not being possible. He buried his face in the side of my neck and, I thought, mumbled something under his breath about love at first sight, but when I said, "Sorry?" he just shook his head and burrowed more deeply in.

Then it was time to go. He had a TON of stuff to do, and it was almost time for me to meet Rider, Carrie, and Joel to go downtown for Rider's birthday celebration. Knowing how much he had to do, I'd actually felt bad for keeping him so long, but he said he wouldn't have it any other way.

When we pulled up outside of my place, he touched my leg and it was so, so sweaty. He said he liked it and rubbed his hand all over to get the sweat and then wiped it on his own neck. "Is that weird? That I just wanna be covered in your sweat?"

"No," I giggled. "I totally have been re-sniffing a sweater of mine that smells like you every day since I wore it with you. Sometimes chemistry is just right."

I bounded out of the car and into my apartment. I texted him, thanking him for making time for all of that. He texted back within five minutes:

"I had fun! I'd do anything with you ♡"

I'll write more about the rest of my weekend when I have a bit more time. :)

For now, I'll close with this: it certainly sounds like I have accidentally captivated a notoriously elusive beast—at least for the moment. I don't really know what to do with that information.

Part of me is STOKED, because I do really like him a lot, so of course I want to binge on him, but part of me is slightly concerned, as well. I think it's a really good sign that he wants to buy and read The Ethical Slut to try to understand what this whole ethical non-monogamy thing is about. But I am definitely a little wary about whether he might eventually want more than I can give him. It's too early to tell—not even three full weeks—so I'm trying not to worry. We'll see how things shake out after we finish our upcoming travels and can actually spend more time together.
 
The only thing I see being of concern is that sometimes our logic-brains want one thing, and our animal-brains think it's time to do something completely different.

So while dude's logic brain knows this is perfect, he can enjoy a relationship thing with you, be friends with Rider, you aren't going to go all "We should make babies" with him or anything, so the situation is kinda perfect! Yay! His animal brain might one of these days say "I'm so in love with her, she is The One and we should totally make tiny humans dammit, she must be MINE!"

I don't know if that will happen. I just know that I've observed that men are sometimes wired to be in one of two big mating-modes... Have fun/play the field, versus Mate/Provide/Protect. I think that shit is biological, y'know? But we aren't just mindless animal creatures, and we have the power to step outside of a natural paradigm even if it is compelling. To be more, to be other.

I'd suggest if he gets too intense to maybe remind him that it's cool to have feelings, and to feel your feelings, but there is not an urgent need to DO SOMETHING because of them. Just enjoy it. But if you start feeling driven to make changes in your life or relationship, because of the big feels, to kinda examine that consciously. (EDIT: It sounds promising that he would understand this concept better than most men, though, from what you have said.)

Here is hoping that this continues to be awesome for all involved!

As an aside, some of the photos shared elsewhere had me laughing because they illustrated some of the story you have told here rather well. I got a chuckle out of the Creeper Party Guy pic in particular.
 
As an aside, some of the photos shared elsewhere had me laughing because they illustrated some of the story you have told here rather well. I got a chuckle out of the Creeper Party Guy pic in particular.

I KNOW, RIGHT?! That photo cracked me up, too.

I'm not going to post it here, but for the reference of the wider audience, it was me and Dustin, mostly submerged in a hot tub, me in a bikini and him in underwear, with our body language quite obviously turned toward each other. And then Creeper Guy, fully clothed in what appears to be business casual, sitting on the brick rim of the tub, legs folded under him, clearly interrupting.

😂
 
Today is Rider's birthday. He and Kitty went out and tore it up last night and she (and her boss) stayed over on our futon. Rider said something to me in the middle of the night when they came home that apparently Kitty and her boss are having an affair of some kind. I was surprised when I woke up to their shuffling and came out to get a glass of water and found Rider sitting in the living room with two women instead of one!

I was invited along, but I was honestly so partied out from the weekend that I just could not do it. I am less of a party monster than Rider, for sure.

Rider got to work from home today, so he and Kitty are chilling at the house, listening to music, he said. I'm supposed to meet up with her—maybe with both of them—after work. She wanted to hang out with me more and maybe grab coffee during my lunch break, but it's a super busy day, and I'm not taking a lunch break.

I'm still full of so many things I wanna write! Who knows if I'll get around to writing them all before they fall out of my brain.

- The rest of the weekend's adventure, including Sunday's really hot sex with Rider.
- A million and one interesting things about Dustin that I am like trying not to explode and spray all over IRL people because no one cares—but internet polys understand!
- My voice lesson.
- An interesting convo I had with Rider about testing/disclosure/safety things.
- How cool it is that I'm ending up with so many chick friends lately.
- Those times when you can, like, feel yourself rapidly evolving, like your brain is suddenly digesting in a giant lump a ton of things you've been chewing on for a while. It happens every few years. Pretty sure I was about due.
- And more!

But back to work for me now. Maybe I'll get some time on the plane Thursday, or if I don't end up getting to see Dustin tomorrow after all, I'll use that chunk of time I've been setting aside.
 
HOLY CRAP! :eek:

They got my test results turned around in record time. It's almost like wishing has the power to make it so, haha. Now one of these hours I'll hear from him and find out if they turned his around that fast too . . . ;)

:: wish wish wish ::

Edited to add . . .

Well I heard back from him really damned fast, and he's also in the clear. Game. Motherfucking. On. :D
 
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I have half an hour to kill before heading over to Dustin's to meet him. We're going to go out to lunch and then pretty much just hanging out the rest of the day.

Presumably we will also have sex at some point, now that we're in the clear, but it doesn't seem to be the first thing on his mind; first he was kicking around the idea of the beach, and then he decided on lunch, and mention of sexy stuff was nowhere on the list so far. I know he's got to be thinking about it, but it's . . . refreshing . . . for a guy to be actually prioritizing the other stuff first. I can't help but compare to my experience with Jasper, where sex was always the first thing on his mind, and usually the only thing he wanted to do.

Rider's going to an actual poly meetup tonight! It's the one I am on a mailing list for and they'd coincidentally sent me an event minutes after one time that Rider was saying he wished he had some new prospects.

I got Tater's booster shots done today. It was a lot more painless than last time, in terms of getting in and out of there in a timely fashion.

I'm currently feeling a little nervous. It's kinda rare for me to feel nervous before a date. I just like this guy SO MUCH.

And he's SO NICE. I told him that all I have to do today is some laundry and packing, and he offered to let me do laundry at his place. And last night in his text to me, he referred to my cat by name. "Call me once you've got Tater home tomorrow." Heart-melt. Silly things to be all squee over, but they mean something to me.

Aaaaaaaahhhh, maybe it's more like a lot nervous. Totally in "got my makeup done way too early, changed my hair and my shirt five times, now sitting staring at the clock unable to think of anything else" mode. Aaaaaahhhhhh! :p
 
Yesterday . . . I guess I’ll just begin at the beginning, leaving off where I was at the end of my last post. I think it’ll be easier to just give a play-by-play than to try to give overarching concepts. There’s a lot I haven’t even finished processing myself. So hang in there—it’s gonna be a long one!

So we did end up having sex first thing when we got to his apartment. I walked in and one of my favorite bands was playing on his stereo, followed by another really good band. It was almost like it was my favorite of my own Pandora stations. Seemed like a good sign. He offered me the option of whether I wanted lunch first or not, and I picked not, LOL.

First, once we were naked, he wanted to give me a back massage. It was a lucky coincidence, since I’d just been telling Rider before I left the house that I was starting to get a twinge-y spot along the top of my shoulder. His hands were magic. All the music he plays makes them very thick and strong and nimble.

Once we decided to move along to the sex part, there was a bit of confusion over whether I was going to require condoms. To his logic, if we’d just been tested, then they were not necessary. To my logic (and my agreements), they were. If we’re casual and he’s otherwise active, I don’t want to have to grill him at each meeting about whether anything has happened since we last saw each other and then make a case-by-case risk analysis. I’d rather just use the condom and skip the convo. He’s not my boyfriend—his sex life outside of me is not my business. Once that was cleared up, we started having sex.

It was really good.

But then my period decided to come two days early a couple positions in. Hrmph. He didn’t seem to mind at all, though. He just cleaned us both up of the bulk of the surprise mess, put a towel down, and kept going.

We had total marathon sex, including some positions I’d never tried before and it all made me realize I should really keep at that Pilates and maybe add some yoga, haha. (Seriously, I am SO sore today.) He was very assertive with what and where he wanted me, which I always find hot and which is part of the variety that I tend to crave since my main relationship is with someone who skews very subby.

I told him that I’ll usually get off when I’m on top, so we did that, and I had two orgasms that basically blew the back of my skull off and left it in tiny fragments at the foot of his bed. He again couldn’t get off, and again made some excuses about the various substances he’d ingested the night before—er, morning, since he was up past dawn. When we decided to give up, I went to hop off him and realized . . . the condom had slipped off and was way up inside of me.

Whoops. Well, I guess it was good that we were both recently tested and hadn’t been with anyone else yet. That’s never happened to me before, but I can see how it probably did. He’s not a very big dude, and we were both extremely aroused to the point where the condom was probably super slippery both inside and out. And then I was doing a lot of intense bouncing. A perfect storm, I guess. I’m just not sure how to prevent it from happening again? Maybe I’ll do some internet research.

Anyway, afterward, we were both completely slicked with sweat and just lying in a heap all intertwined upside down on his bed, talking.

“It’s been a really long time since I’ve done this,” he said.

“REALLY?!” I could not keep the incredulity from my voice. He laughed.

“Not ‘having sex,’ of course. But ‘making love.’ Being like this with someone when I feel something and it means something.” He snuggled closer into me. I kissed some of the sweat from his temple. I didn’t know what to say. The topic shifted and we lay like that for a while, talking about various things that I don’t remember the specifics of. Finally he said he was starting to get hungry.

“Wanna shower off and get Indian food? I know a good place,” he said. My eyes must have turned into cartoon hearts. Indian food is my favorite kind of cuisine.

“YESSSSSSS!”

We got in the shower and he insisted on soaping me up, getting down to his knees to soap and rinse my legs. For all I appreciated his command in bed, this tender act of service was also very, very hot.

The Indian food was decent. I wouldn’t place it in my top three for places in the city, but decent Indian food is still Indian food! We sat on the same side of the booth and cuddled up. He tried to tell me that I’m “perfect.”

“Or, I haven’t seen a flaw in you yet,” he said. I giggled at recognition of total NRE.

“You will,” I assured him, and he about died laughing at my matter-of-fact-ness.

He wanted to go to the beach after lunch and hit happy hour at the restaurant where my friend Chrissie coincidentally works and where I’d hung out with Oona a couple weekends ago. They have a fantastic German grapefruit beer there that is delicious without being overly intoxicating. But happy hour there doesn’t start till 6:00 and it was only 4:00.

“I know!” he said suddenly. “How would you be interested in going on a little hike? Have you ever been to [this particular park nearby]?”

“No, I’ve driven by a bunch, but I’ve never been there.” I was amazed that he’d managed to suggest Indian food, happy hour at my favorite beach, and hiking all in the space of an hour. It felt like he had a roadmap to my desires, haha. He said that we should go hike the park, then come down and go to the beach for happy hour and to catch the sunset. I was all for it.

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At the park, he picked the trail that led to a wonderful overlook. Along the trail, he saw a fennel plant and went to pop a frond off to gnaw on. Which is exactly what I do. I told him how much I love learning the plants along the trails, and his eyes brightened even more, if that was possible.

I’m kind of notorious among my friends for scavenging weird little edible things, and for stopping to examine all the wild plants, whether I’m just walking through the neighborhood or up on the side of a mountain. Usually I know enough to impress people, but in the scheme of things I know nothing. He knew more than I do. We started calling them out as we walked up the hill holding hands.

“Wild mustard.” “Sycamore.” “Thistle.” “Sage.” “Oak.” “Eucalyptus.” “Pepper tree.”

“Wait,” I said. “Pepper tree?” I didn’t know that one. He led me over to a tree with little red berries, crushed the leaves and the berries, and had me sniff the leaves and taste the berries. This was possibly the most romantic thing that could have happened on this walk, haha—learning a new plant.

Turns out he used to work on a farm up north, living in a barn, learning all there is to know about produce that is grown on purpose, but also about the wild plants that dot the countryside. I am not sure that can get any sexier.

At some point we came across a very Seussian tree—low and twisty with little pink and white puffball flowers. Neither of us had any idea what it was, so we stopped and took a selfie with it.

We reached the top of the mountain and had a view of the whole city (depending on which way we were facing at the time) as we walked along the ridge. We kept stopping to kiss, the wind in our hair.

“This is such an incredible day,” he said at one point, as we were holding each other, with downtown visible in the distance, appearing an inch wide.

“It really is,” I said. He started swinging my hand, looking like the picture of joy, and joking that he wasn’t going to let me leave for my business trip. We marveled at the city and the airport and the ocean and all the highways snaking across the land. We swapped stories about living over there, or over there, or over there. (He got to this city just a few years before I did the first time, and we’ve both lived all over it at various points.)

I got a prickle in my shoe at one point, and he had me hop up onto a picnic table so he could take my shoe off and look for it. “Let Dr. Dustin help,” he said.

When we’d walked the entire ridge, he asked me if I wanted to see the pond at the bottom. Of course I did! On the way down, we kept stopping in the shade of wide, low oaks to kiss. I was spending most of the day sort of half-floating in a state of acute desire.

We walked around the pond, looking at all the different birds and at the turtles in the water. We noticed a fishing sign and agreed that this water seemed way too gross to fish in, which got us started on an entire conversation about fishing. I used to fish sometimes with Moss a long time ago, and I had in my Facebook a picture of a rather impressive [to me anyway] fish I’d caught my first time out. He said he goes sometimes with his brother, and he’d have to bring me sometime. Then the conversation turned to crabbing. The areas where we grew up were close enough together (hours, but still) that we both had memories of crab traps and of our mothers chasing blue crabs around the kitchen with tongs.

“I keep saying this, and it keeps getting more and more true,” he marveled, “but it really does seem sometimes like you’re basically the girl version of me.” It’s true that we were turning out to have a TON in common the more we talked. I’m not sure if I’d go as far with that as he did, but there really were quite a number of similarities. I think he’s lived a much more adventurous life than I have—has seen a lot more in general—so he probably has a ton he can find in common with anyone.

We drove to the beach and purposely parked far enough away from the restaurant that we’d have a little walk. Chrissie was not working that night. We sat at an outside table, drinking beer and watching the sun drop. He told me about how he sometimes vacations in the Caribbean and, while it doesn’t feel like home to him, it does feel like the place where he can most relax and unwind and feel like himself. He said he usually goes either with family or alone, and that he’d love to go there with me someday. I told him I’d be down, if it ever makes sense. Not this year, though—not enough time off.

“Your husband wouldn’t mind if you went on a trip with me?” he said. And I told him no. And he laughed and said, “I really just have no idea how this all works.” I told him he could ask me anything and I’d answer to the best of my ability how it works in my particular relationship, but that other people’s relationships work different ways. “Why did you even get married?” he asked.

“Oh, the usual reasons: being in love, wanting to build a life together, wanting that commitment of someone who always has your back, desiring a ceremony in front of loved ones, plus the typical legal and financial reasons,” I replied.

“But if you still want to see other people, then what is the point?”

“A marriage is what the people in it make of it,” I told him. “Rider and I have been some various form of non-monogamous from the beginning, and getting married didn’t change that. We purposely didn’t build any kind of monogamy clause into our vows. Marriage doesn’t have to be traditional.”

He looked thoughtful.

“I’ve never really understood the whole marriage thing, myself,” he said, and talked a while about family members of his who have been married and how they seem happy but it wasn’t “a lifestyle” he’d ever been interested in.

“A marriage can be part of any ‘lifestyle,’” I said, shrugging.

“So, is it possible to be married to two people?” he asked.

“Not legally,” I said, “but people find ways to approximate it.” I then explained to him a bit about the various marriage setups that people here on this board have that I’ve read about. “Lots of different people live lots of different ways,” I concluded. “You only get the one life, so you should make of it exactly what YOU want.” He said he definitely believes the same thing as far as that is concerned.

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Shortly before the sun set, he wanted to go down to the edge of the water and put our feet in. We were shivering with the cooling breeze, and the splashing waves were not helping, but we found warmth in each other, huddling up to watch the sun drop behind the mountains. It was a beautiful sunset, pink and orange with neon-lined clouds and the marine layer diffusing a warm glow across the entire sky and, it seemed, all the way to the ground in places.

As we headed back to a car, we spotted over a fence a really tall cluster of sunflowers. He told me about a time when he’d seen an entire field of them.

“I guess they must have been growing them for sunflower seeds,” he said.

“Mmm, those are my favorite snack,” I said. And it turns out that he really loves them too and used to eat them as his main travel snack while on tour. He recommended a brand to me that I’d never tried. I never thought I’d be having a spirited discussion with someone about brands of sunflower seeds, but there I was. That’s kind of the way the day had been going.

We briefly tossed around the idea of going for ice cream, but we decided it was getting too late and we should just go back to his place.

“I have that Sex Pistols documentary I’d told you about,” he suggested. Be still my little punk rock heart.

On the drive back to his place, we ended up talking about fine dining and rock-n-roll and other things dear to my heart. I’ve been sorely lacking a fine-dining partner in these recent years. Rider is more of a greasy spoon sort of person and doesn’t really think it’s worth it to save up money and go somewhere really nice a couple times a year like I used to drag all my previous partners to do. I’d just kind of given up on it, to be honest.

But Dustin gets invited to fancy dinners held by chefs he made friends with when delivering produce from the farm, and he actually dated a sous chef at a Michelin restaurant for a while. Apparently he knows all the good spots and can get a hookup.

Back at his place, we went over our calendars to try to set some plans for a hangout. I shared with him the idea I’d had (and that I’d already bounced off of Rider) to sell my geek con ticket for early August and go to his out of town show that weekend instead, since he’d originally said I should go if I could. (I was supposed to hang out with Beckett and Caleb that weekend, but I had a sinking suspicion that Beckett’s NRE with New Girlfriend meant I was going to end up having to talk to Caleb all weekend and . . . just no. LOL!) Dustin seemed super into the idea and said we could make a weekend of it. He even offered to chip in half for a car if I rented one. We also identified a Wednesday night that I could stay over after we’re both back in town.

While we were scheduling, his brother (who is also his roommate) came in. Dustin excitedly made me show him the fish picture. :p

When the brother was done bopping around in the kitchen, Dustin and I lay down on the couch to watch the documentary. Well, we didn’t get very much watching done. We kept accidentally talking and making out instead. But it wasn’t all happy stuff.

He kept looking at me and looking really happy and then kind of knitting his brows together looking sad. I asked what’s wrong. He said he’s afraid of liking me too much. That I’m too perfect and he’s 40 and that means he’s lived half his life without knowing it was possible to meet someone like me but he knows it’s going to end badly. And then he immediately took it back and said he can’t tell the future, so he doesn’t KNOW that. But he thinks I’m going to break his heart.

“If I’m ever distant,” he said, “it’s just because I’m worried about getting too close.”

And then it was my turn to be sad. Because these sentiments were way too close to echoes of Beckett and of Jasper. The liking more than he thought was possible. The portents of doom. The purposeful insertion of distance. I had to tell him—it felt emotionally dishonest otherwise—that I’ve heard similar things before from other people, and it’s usually MY heart that ends up broken.

I told him that I’ve kind of learned that when people say those things to me, they are (purposely or not) giving me notice that it will end, and how. Well, he didn’t like that one bit—he grabbed on tighter and said, “I’m not other people. I don’t know if or how things are going to end. Let’s stay in the moment together.” And so we did.

We ended up in his bed again, naked and rolling around and cuddling and talking. Stuff was fun and lighthearted and then heavy and then back again.
He said he’s either never felt this way about anyone before or, if he has, it was long enough ago that he doesn’t remember it. And he thinks it’s super ironic that now that he does, it has to be a married lady.

And so I asked him if he was actually, despite his history, very interested in monogamy.

“Right now, I’d have to say ‘yes,’” he said. “Right now, I’m only interested in you.”

“What happened to the other girl? The virgin girl you were telling me about?”

“Well, it turns out I don’t think she’s very nice. I haven’t actually seen her since I’ve started seeing you. Though she still texts me all the time.”

“So your past relationships—when you have had them—they’ve been monogamous ones?”

“Wellllll,” he said. “Technically. But I was never monogamous in them.”

“So why would you want a monogamous relationship with me, then? If you tend to not be able to do monogamy?”

“What if you’re special?” he asked.

“I’m the same way, by the way. It’s nearly impossible for me to do full monogamy. Which is why I’m doing what I’m doing now. I’ve had that thought, too, when I met someone. Maybe they were special. Maybe I could do that for them. But it turned out that I still couldn’t, or, at least, I didn’t want to. My marriage aside, even if I were single right now, I couldn’t do monogamy with you. And it sounds like you can’t either. So why don’t we just see where THIS goes, for both of us,” I said.

“It’s not normal . . .” he hesitated, “ . . . but then, I’ve never really liked things that are normal. This is pretty out there, though.”

“Well, how do you feel RIGHT NOW?” I asked, snuggling deeper into the puddle we had become.

“Better than I ever have. This might be the best day of my life.”

“So . . . maybe ‘out there’ is good?” I asked. “What if . . . you got to keep having days like this with me, but when you’re out on tour or doing whatever out on the town, you get to do what you always do—except you don’t have to lie to everyone? And when you’re gone, instead of having someone sitting home pining for you, I’m off living my own life with my other partners . . .”

“I can’t tell if you’re an angel or a devil!” he exclaimed. “I knew that people did this but . . . it still seems weird.”

“Weirder than cheating on people you’re supposed to love?”

“Well, that’s just sex, though. It’s always meaningless. I can get sex anywhere. I could even pay for sex—not that I have.”

“I wouldn’t judge you if you had . . .”

“OK, well, maybe a couple of times,” he admitted. I just stroked his head.

“See, I told you, you don’t have to lie to me.”

He hugged me tighter and said, “I want to tell you that I love you, but it seems like I shouldn’t.” I hugged him tighter back.

“I feel . . . things,” I said. “Good things.”

We checked the time, saw that we had about 10 more minutes left of the time I said I had. It turned into 22. When we finally hopped up and got dressed, he said he wanted me to have something. He went into a little box on his shelf and pulled out a leather bracelet that matched the one he was wearing, except a different color.

“Think about me when we’re apart,” he said.

“I always do,” I said.

He walked me out to my car. Right before our last kiss, he said, “And when we both get back, let’s just pick up where we left off, if we can, OK?”

“That’s what I want too,” I said.

Rider texted me just as I was leaving, saying he was leaving the poly meetup because it was too loud in there. I told him it was perfect timing and offered to pick him up. Apparently he ran into a friend there who is also a member of his fan club group and neither knew the other one was poly. This guy is going to hook him into the poly and kink scenes so he can have better luck finding girls. I met him for a moment; seemed like a nice enough guy.

On the way home, I had to be completely honest with Rider, both about the condom mishap and the fact that the Dustin thing seems to be heading in the direction of either WAY more than FWB or complete implosion. We’d had some preliminary conversations in this vein where we agreed that we could loosen our agreements if it looked like it made sense and/or needed to happen, so he took this in stride pretty well and it was not a bolt out of the blue. (I’ve been too busy to write out some of the processing stuff we’ve been doing, but we’ve been doing really well and both come a long way.)

I also told him (after he said he wanted to know) about the events of the date. “Wow,” Rider said, “is he Google? How does he know so much about the exact things you like?”

“Maybe we just like a lot of the same things,” I said.

“That’s really cool,” Rider said. “I’m happy for you. I hope he doesn’t just bail like the others.”

So.

I have a lot to chew on. But I have two weeks to spend on the chewing process before I see Dustin again. In that time, I hope to spend lots of time with Rider and some with Cherry, and let a bit of this Dustin storm blow over so that I can think clearly.
 
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