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My husband and I are very new to polyamory. We've tried swinging and whatnot. We travel for his job. Recently one of his coworkers started staying near us. They hung out a lot, the three of us hung out a lot.
My husband and I talked about poly, ideally finding another girl so I would have a girlfriend that could travel with us while he was at work. As it turns out, his coworker was our first. The first time, it was random, out of left field, hubby's idea. Awkward for them, I had a great time.
After that I was a little flirty with coworker. Husband said it made him uncomfortable so I stopped.
The second and last time it happened, it was super awkward. I didn't want to make my husband feel left out, and I didn't want to make the other guy feel left out- but he was. Husband got up to do something, and left me and the other guy there. That was the best time I had with other guy that night- there wasn't pressure to make sure hubby know he was #1.
The other guy had to go to the next job contract early. I miss him terribly. He is fun to be around without the sex. Ideally, I would like the three of us to have a closed relationship. They want another girl, which I was on board, initially. Still do... But Id like the three of us to be more comfortable with each other first.
How do I make my husband feel he is still important to me during our ..times, and how do I approach the relationship idea?
 
Theoretically, in poly, your husband isn't #1. Maybe you meant "How do I make my husband feel secure that I won't end up leaving him for this other guy." That's the big hurdle when transitioning from a monogamous mindset to a polyamorous mindset. Only he can give you that answer. You just have to be able to listen.
 
We both have jealousy issues that we're working on. It seems to be a thorn for most couples starting out and vererans of this lifestyle. I was trying to prepare myself to not be so jealous when we found a girl that we liked.
Some of our boundaries are dating together. If one of us doesn't like someone, they will have veto power. Our marriage will be primary.
As we gain experience as a couple, those may change. His coworker has 0 boundaries, and seems understanding of my husbands comfort level.
I was a gf to a married couple a few years ago. They didn't go out without me, and even when I hung out separately with one of them, nothing happened until the other one got there. Ideally, I want to recreate that.
 
His coworker has 0 boundaries
That's either not true or not healthy. Everyone has boundaries, so saying he has none just means he hasn't thought them through and that the only way you'll find them is by accidentally trampling all over them later down the track.
 
Hi Myscreenname,

It sounds like you want an MMF configuration right now, maybe later an MMFF configuration. And right now you want a closed configuration, until the three of you are feeling strong and comfortable as a unit. You should sit down with both of the guys, and have a long heart-to-heart with them about what you want, what they want, and what kind of compromises you can agree on.

I encourage you to continue posting here, you can get more advice that way.

Regards,
Kevin T.
 
You probably go back to swinging to be honest....

Dating as a couple has about as much chance of working as an ice cubes chances in hell. No one is going to feel exactly the same about both of you.

As for veto power. People are not sex toys to spice up your marriage to be thrown away at a whim. Or the minute someone has a melt down.

You all need ro read this...

http://davidlnoble.livejournal.com/176039.html
 
Emm, I agree with your comment and don't want to do that. I've asked what his boundaries are, he says he doesn't have any. What can I do with that? How can I reword the question to make him think about it more? We're 30, he's in his early 20s, maybe that has something to do with it?

Kdt, yes that's exactly what I want. I'll talk to both of them when he gets back to town. From a guys perspective how can I best approach this?

Dag, I don't like swinging. I like to have an emotional connection with people I'm intimate with. We're not using his coworker as a sex toy, nor would we adding another chick.
I meant veto power in the beginning, not after a relationship has formed and someone has a temper tantrum.
Many couples have found a gf/bf that liked both of them. I liked the married couple I was in a relationship with.
While not using someone is something people shouldn't do, it seems the rest of your comment came out of some negativity you may be facing that doesn't apply here.
 
Emm, I agree with your comment and don't want to do that. I've asked what his boundaries are, he says he doesn't have any. What can I do with that? How can I reword the question to make him think about it more?
He's probably doing what many people do and confusing boundaries with rules. Ask him about something ridiculous, then once he realises that there are things he wouldn't stick around for he can start thinking about it.

New Guy (NG): I have no boundaries.

You: Ok, so if I lock you in the basement, beat you with a coathanger on days beginning with "T" while your mother watches, and feed you nothing but uncooked brussel sprouts you'd be ok with that?

NG: Um, well...​

Edit: Perhaps ask him to read The Relationship Bill of Rights on the morethantwo site, and have him cross off the ones he doesn't want. Unless he's heavily into 24hr power exchange kink he'll probably realise that he does actually need most of what's on the list.
 
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My husband and I are very new to polyamory. We've tried swinging and whatnot. We travel for his job. Recently one of his coworkers started staying near us. They hung out a lot, the three of us hung out a lot.

So this male Coworker started hanging out with your husband, and then with both of you. A lot. Maybe you partied, drank, smoked, inhibitions were down, and then you had threeway sex.

My husband and I talked about poly, ideally finding another girl so I would have a girlfriend that could travel with us while he was at work. As it turns out, his coworker was our first.

So, you thought you having a female partner would be ideal, but you had sex with a male. Did your husband also prefer you only date another female? Was there always a 3way sex scenario or requirement in your shared fantasies? If your idea was having a relationship with a woman, how does it work when it's a man? It sounds like your h isn't real happy with this.

You know finding a "girl who can travel with us on business" is pretty unrealistic, right? Most "girls" (women!) have jobs, families, pets, apartments or houses, friends and family that need them or want them around. Most women can't just up and start traveling with a new couple of lovers right off the bat. And those that would do that, I would think, with no job, apartment or home ties, might be kind of sketchy people, I would think.

The first time, it was random, out of left field, hubby's idea. Awkward for them, I had a great time.

You mean first time threeway sex? You had fun in this MFM sex scene but the guys didn't? Are they both straight? Was it a first MFM sex experience for both of them? I am not surprised they found it awkward, it it was the first time for both of them. Maybe it wasn't, if you and your h had MFM sex when you were swingers. But now that you're going with a poly dynamic maybe it feels more threatening for him than casual sex-only swinging.

After that I was a little flirty with coworker. Husband said it made him uncomfortable so I stopped.

You were flirty with your new lover in front of your husband? It can take time to get comfortable with showing affection for one partner in front of the other... You seem set on all being together in one space at one time. But you could see your new partner separately so you can feel free to show affection without worrying your h. That is another option.

The second and last time it happened, it was super awkward.

"It" happened? You mean threeway sex? Please be specific. You may not realise most of poly does NOT involve group sex. Most people here don't do it.

I didn't want to make my husband feel left out, and I didn't want to make the other guy feel left out- but he was. Husband got up to do something, and left me and the other guy there. That was the best time I had with other guy that night- there wasn't pressure to make sure hubby know he was #1.

I don't even know how you'd make one partner feel #1 while having threeway sex with another person involved... Maybe make it balanced so both get individual attention, touches, orgasms, but making one #1? How would you even do that without hurt feelings?

The other guy had to go to the next job contract early. I miss him terribly. He is fun to be around without the sex.

So, you like the sex with him, especially one on one sex. And you like him as a person.

Ideally, I would like the three of us to have a closed relationship. They want another girl, which I was on board, initially. Still do... But I'd like the three of us to be more comfortable with each other first.

Well, jumping from monogamy, to swinging, to a couple of extremely awkward"poly" threeway sex sessions, from an open triad, to a closed triad, to an open triad again, to a closed quad with some hypothetical woman who will care deeply about you, and your husband, and Coworker, and want to have 4some orgies.. Yikes! I mean, that is a big dream. It's OK to dream big... but maybe you should set your sights a bit lower. Maybe be in an open V with husband and Coworker. Date them separately, have sex with them separately... at least until you learn you don't need to "make hubby feel #1" during sex. Maybe you like threeway sex with both guys, but maybe since it's terribly awkward for both of them, you should let go of that ideal for now.

Maybe you and/or hubby and Coworker could all be looking for a female partner who may or may not like or desire the other 2 in the polycule. Treat her as a real person, don't have this prescribed dynamic. What if this hypothetical woman only desires one partner, not THREE new ones at once?
How do I make my husband feel he is still important to me during our ..times?

Please stop with the euphemisms. We are all adults here. "How do I make my husband feel he is still important to me while I am fucking or sucking another guy?" Well, you've got 3 holes and 2 hands, right? During MFM sex it is possible to have one guy's dick in your mouth and another in your hand, your pussy or your ass. Or maybe after having both guys in your hands and orifices, one guy cums first. Then he feel drained and satisfied for a bit and might just enjoy watching you fuck the other guy, or, alternatively, go off to use the bathroom or get a drink or snack or cigarette or whatever, while you and the other guy go at it some more. Then the first guy can come back if he wants more sex, and you can work on the first guy separately or simultaneously again.

How do I approach the relationship idea?

As I said above, you have high hopes for a closed quad? Maybe an open poly dynamic, where all 3 of you are free to seek a female partner would be a more reasonable goal for now. You've only just started seeing Coworker, have only had threesome sex with him twice. Maybe work on getting to know him more, working on your husband's jealousy issues and couple privilege ideas.

You may prefer to work on your threeway dynamic for now. But it's early days with Coworker, only 2 dates! He shouldn't be expected to be suddenly in a closed relationship with you and your h.

You all need to get on the same page, but it could take time. You all seem to have strong fantasies about how this should work, but need to face reality.

We both have jealousy issues that we're working on. It seems to be a thorn for most couples starting out and vererans of this lifestyle.

Jealousy is not really something experienced poly people have big issues with. Occasional envy, maybe. Which is worked out by quickly stating your needs. "Honey, I feel envious you had such a great date with your OSO last night. Could you give me a hug/date/sex/whatever now, or asap?"

I was trying to prepare myself to not be so jealous when we found a girl that we liked.

The use of "we" is a sign of couple privilege.

In fantasy, you both like this hypothetical woman equally and she likes both of you equally and everyone shares dates and sex... You agree to never date or fuck your husband unless gf is there on the date or in the bed. She never dates or fucks anyone else. Even if weeks go by between dates??? It sounds like you and h are on the road a lot. Alone. So gf would naturally be left out, unless she is always traveling with you!!

You had something like this before and want it again? You may not get so lucky this time around.


Some of our boundaries are dating together. If one of us doesn't like someone, they will have veto power. Our marriage will be primary.

Couple privilege again.


As we gain experience as a couple, those may change. His coworker has 0 boundaries, and seems understanding of my husband's comfort level.

Coworker is a horny single guy? He is going along with the veto hanging over his head because he enjoys sex with you. He isn't thinking or worrying about the future... but it sounds like h is jealous of him and not enjoying the threeway sex, and maybe not liking the idea of you and Coworker having one on one sex, or date... how long before he vetoes?

I was a gf to a married couple a few years ago. They didn't go out without me...

Didn't go out at all? Not even to the grocery store or whatever? Did you move in with them early on? Were all your grocery runs single or threesome? ;)

Did this couple you dated have veto power where either of them could end the relationship(s) at any time? If yes, how did you feel about that?

...and even when I hung out separately with one of them, nothing happened until the other one got there.

You mean, no sex would happen. But you'd talk or cuddle perhaps? Bond? You didn't both just sit there facing away from each other. So, something happened, not just actual sexual touching.

Ideally, I want to recreate that.
 
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I didn't want to make my husband feel left out, and I didn't want to make the other guy feel left out- but he was. Husband got up to do something, and left me and the other guy there. That was the best time I had with other guy that night- there wasn't pressure to make sure hubby know he was #1.

Mags is right that many/most poly relationships do not involve group sex, contrary to what we see on TV shows, but I'll comment about this because I have had quite a bit of moresome experience with some of my goodhearted swinging and poly friends. A lot of people new to group sex seem to encounter all sorts of torn feelings and surprises the first few times and from my experience, it's because their relationships are not ready. Nothing bursts forth out of a threesome or moresome, it's revealed. If you're finding that you're torn and feeling pressure to make sure hubby is #1, then neither of your relationships are ready for a (heathy) threesome. Sure, you can do it, but every insecurity and unresolved question will come screaming to the surface. You don't feel pressure to reassure hubby only while in a threesome, it's a facet of your relationship that exists all the time, otherwise it wouldn't be an issue during the group sex. The more you focus on healthy everyday interaction, the more you'll find that your group sex reflects this healthy way of relating. Where most people run into trouble is jumping into group sex without doing much prep - or taking on group sex in a relationship that really can't handle it at all.

There certainly are feelings that come up during group sex that you otherwise wouldn't know about. A person who is mature and ready for group sex knows to respect those weird feelings and insecurities instead of blowing through them, which never works. Your young man friend sounds as though he absolutely is not ready or mature enough for group sex, seeing as he claims to have no boundaries or limits. He wants sex. He wants threesome sex. What young guy would ever put parameters around that? Not many!!! My experience is that pretty much every guy in his early 20s will say "yes" to just about any group sex, but very few men that age are ready for the emotional maturity of poly group sex in which a healthy, loving, communicative and self-reflective sexual experience is the goal. Any person who has not thought about limits, rules or personal boundaries is definitely prioritizing sex opportunities over the integrity of the experience. There's nothing wrong with that, it's just not the point of poly.
 
Emm, thank you. Your reply is helpful.

Mag, really? You felt the need to pick apart every other sentence with condescension...why? Being intimate with coworker was my husband's idea. They both get something out of it as they've both expressed desire to do it again. You seem to understand the euphemisms so there's no reason to stop.
I'm taking the earlier (helpful) advice I was given previously, to sit down with both of them and iron out all the details.
Maybe the chick is mythological, as I said, I want to be more comfortable with them before looking for another.
Ironic how some people like to attack a member of a forum that is attacked enough from non-members.

Fallen, we want our relationships to include each other. Most have expectations that differ from reality, we're still working on what works for us.
The coworker may be too immature as you said, which is hard to hear. Something to think about, and see how he reacts when we all talk.
 
Emm, thank you. Your reply is helpful.

Mag, really? You felt the need to pick apart every other sentence with condescension...why? Being intimate with coworker was my husband's idea. They both get something out of it as they've both expressed desire to do it again. You seem to understand the euphemisms so there's no reason to stop.
I'm taking the earlier (helpful) advice I was given previously, to sit down with both of them and iron out all the details.
Maybe the chick is mythological, as I said, I want to be more comfortable with them before looking for another.
Ironic how some people like to attack a member of a forum that is attacked enough from non-members.

Fallen, we want our relationships to include each other. Most have expectations that differ from reality, we're still working on what works for us.
The coworker may be too immature as you said, which is hard to hear. Something to think about, and see how he reacts when we all talk.

Why? Because she knows what she is talking about. She is not attacking you. This isn't one of those blow sunshine up your ass forums. You are going to hear things you don't want to hear.
 
Vin, thank you for your equally unhelpful response. If you took the time to read instead of shooting from the hip, You would have seen that I've taken all kinds of advice.
Mag didn't give advice, like you, she finger wagged.
Thanks for your contribution to my post. I'll give it all the consideration it deserves.
 
Vin, thank you for your equally unhelpful response. ... Mag didn't give advice, like you, she finger wagged.

Thanks for your contribution to my post. I'll give it all the consideration it deserves.
:rolleyes:

Yep, welcome to "polyamory," where anything goes.

If you came here for advice, you WILL get that -- sometimes contradictory from different viewpoints, but generally heartfelt, & often from actual BTDT experience.

If you came here for the rubberstamp approval of a gaggle of faceless strangers... maybe (IMNSHO) you ought to simply find the resolve to do things as YOU see fit.

Should what YOU want not fit neatly into the boundaries of consensus polyamory, there's nothing WRONG with that. Go forth, be well, find happiness.
 
Seems reading comprehension escapes some memebers, or it's pure laziness to actually read a thread...


I asked for advice. As other members have answered, I don't believe my post conveyed the need for handholding.
Silly for people to comment just to be contrite. Maybe boredom on a Sunday night propels that. Sad.
 
Um, Mags gave you a really great, in depth response. A lot of her advice was good, and she asked clarifying questions. I don't see that she was condescending at all. You asked, she answered. Maybe you didn't like some of the things she was asking you to look at within your relationships? I don't understand your combative nature. The great thing about this site is that there is so much help available - but most of us aren't going to give you happy, feel good messages if we think you need to look closely at something. We're going to tell you to look closely.
 
Hi

Seems reading comprehension escapes some memebers, or it's pure laziness to actually read a thread...


I asked for advice. As other members have answered, I don't believe my post conveyed the need for handholding.
Silly for people to comment just to be contrite. Maybe boredom on a Sunday night propels that. Sad.
Before it goes further the wrong way...
I suggest just thanking everyone.... And say please wait for update..
And also just head over to the introduction section and do as most would... It's just the least one could do for all the great advice available!
Welcome!
 
OP, you can choose to ignore advice you find to be unhelpful. However, you are NOT helping yourself by choosing to argue with members on the site who have been here long before you (and have been practicing poly for sometimes DECADES) and will still be here after you have probably left in a huff.

Please read the advice in the spirit it was given. There are "warning; danger!" signs all around this relationship(s). It would be wise to heed them.
 
The last few commenters have given no advice. The actual advice I have been given I greatly appreciated.
I'm not sure why some continue to comment on my post just to tell me to listen to someone else.
 
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