In Poly Limbo after emotional affair

Iggs

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Hello, I am wondering if anyone has been through issues similar to mine. I really appreciate any feedback. I have no one I can talk to IRL about this because my partner and I are not out to family or any of my acquaintances. I apologize for the length.

My partner and I have been poly for about 10 years, since he discovered the BDSM/Kink community and embraced his queer and kinky identity. Before that we had been in a vanilla, monogamous relationship for 10 years. Although we experimented, I wasn’t as interested in kink and we agreed to open our relationship for play partners and long term sub and dom partners. I intellectually agree with the concept of poly because it seems like basic fairness and if you love your partner, why deny them the potentially great experiences they can have with other people? However, I’ve always struggled emotionally with it and have had a lot of insecurity and jealousy with some (not all) of his partners. Since then, he has had many play partners, doms, and subs, and I haven’t dated or pursued anyone myself. He has had very bad luck with most of his partners, most of whom take advantage of him. He will start out relationships as a dom or sub, but then he ends up becoming a “life coach” for his partners, who want him to fix their addictive behaviors, other broken relationships, etc. His last two partners he supported through ugly divorces (not related to the poly), getting through law school, alcoholism, and depression, and was completely drained.

The past 5 years, I have also been disabled from a back injury and he has had the burden of caring for me through severe chronic pain and depression. I’ve been completely focused on coping with the pain, searching out new doctors and potential treatments over and over (to this day I’ve never gotten a diagnosis), and trying to just keep my job and health benefits. I realize now I’ve been a terrible partner and haven’t fulfilled his sexual or emotional needs during this time. I became just another one of the user partners in his life.

Almost a year ago, my partner started a Tumblr to write erotica. One of the readers contacted him and they started conversing via comments and then moved to WhatsApp and phone calls. This is the first person my partner has had that he has never told me about or negotiated about with me. After a few months, they broke up because the reader saw no future in the relationship (she knew he had a partner and she’s not poly, and she lives on a different continent). The first time I found out about this metamour was when my partner was devastated by the breakup. I was completely blindsided. He said he didn’t tell me about her because he thought it was just a harmless flirtation, they would never meet in person, and he didn’t realize until they broke up how much he actually cared about her. He has never fallen in love with another partner before now. He says she reminds him of himself at that age (she is more than 20 years younger than him) and that they are completely compatible sexually and kink-wise. Also, she showers him with attention and lust and worships him, and he misses getting that from me. He said “anybody else” would have just cheated on me and that this is my fault for neglecting him. I think he *did* cheat on me, emotionally!

The metamour decided she couldn’t live without him and he gladly got back together with her. Still shellshocked, I felt I had no choice but to acquiesce--after all, we *were* poly, and how could I obstruct his happiness if he really loved this person?-- but I had a lot of resentment. My partner told the metamour that I was his primary relationship, and she said she didn’t want to interfere with it, but she didn’t know if she could be poly. She could never “deal” with meeting me or communicating with me, and my partner assured her that everything was fine with me because we were poly and I was fine with their relationship (I wasn't, but at my best times I was trying to be). Thus started about 8 months of her waffling on poly and breaking up with him multiple times a month because “it can never work” but then always getting back together with him. She texted and called him incessantly, including times we were together or having a date, and he refused to set any boundaries. She has a lot of mental illnesses and was stressed out by finals and family drama and sucked up a lot of his time--he would talk to her on the phone for hours every night to make it easier for her to fall asleep, since she has a sleep disorder. He was both completely infatuated and worried about the effect on her mental health if he set any boundaries.

Eventually, the bloom wore off the rose with his metamour as her problems became a huge source of stress and took over his life. He finally “broke up” with her but in order to soften the blow (and maybe leave the option open for us to be an “official” poly family in the future) he said that if she acknowledged my existence, committed to poly, and created a support network to become stable and self-supporting, that maybe poly was an option. They took a few months off and she worked on her life while we worked on our relationship and planned to get therapy. Everyone made progress, and he was much less stressed out.

Then she asked him to come visit her so they could meet “at least once” in person. I told him that the poly ship has sailed for me--I have a lot of anger at both of them and I don’t feel comfortable being in a relationship with someone so unreliable and having to pretend that I was OK with her from the beginning (because if we came clean, he’d have to admit he lied to her). He said that I should be able to suck it up and pretend, because he’d been sacrificing his own happiness for me and this was a trivial ask in comparison. But ultimately, he decided that trying to make the two relationships work is too stressful, that he bungled it from the beginning, and that since she’s leaving to work in Africa anyway and still can’t really even commit to trying poly, that it’s better to let it go. So he’s visiting her overseas to break up with her, but he would still want to try the poly family thing with her if I was OK with it.

I don’t think that they will stay “broken up” (they never have before) and I just don’t know what to do when they inevitably get around to trying to be a poly family. I've lost trust in both of them. Besides being jealous and resentful, I don’t want to be in a poly relationship with someone who has massive problems that need professional support and that my partner isn't qualified to deal with, is only “trying” poly because she worships my partner, and has never shown any interest in even meeting me for the year she's been quasi-poly with my partner.
 
This is a hornet's nest of codependence issues, not poly issues. I won't go through your post and explain, point by point, all of the red flags, but all three of you are participating. There is never one person that is the problem, it's a systemic problem and all are involved and responding. This way of relating likely feels so normal to you all that you don't even recognize it as unhealthy. For now, I'll just say that any time someone says or feels that they are sacrificing their own happiness to keep someone else satisfied, especially if that person is looking for quid pro quo on that sacrifice, there's an enormous neon light blinking above the entire relationship. This isn't about poly at all, there just happen to be three people involved. This is about destructive relationship patterns that are detrimental and dissatisfying for all of you.

....he’d been sacrificing his own happiness for me and this was a trivial ask in comparison.
 
I'm sorry you struggle. I mean this kindly ok? :eek:

This is NOT healthy relating to me. It's all :eek: and :mad: stuff.

He said “anybody else” would have just cheated on me and that this is my fault for neglecting him.

His poor choices and his poor behavior is YOUR fault and YOUR doing? :mad:

Even though it sucks up all your spoons to work and keep your health insurance and deal with your medical issues, he thinks you working to take care of yourself is you neglecting him?

I think he *did* cheat on me, emotionally!

Well, I agree. If he did not keep up his "we agree you tell me about new people" agreement with you? He kept a secret affair person hidden? Then he cheated on agreements.

It's on you to decide what to do about that. Sounds like you let it slide for 8+ months! And now feel resentful because you put his fun ahead of your own well being.

Just cuz you have been with this guy 10 years doesn't mean you have to give him the whole rest of your life if he's turned into a sucky partner now. Be leery of sunk cost fallacy.

My partner told the metamour that I was his primary relationship, and she said she didn’t want to interfere with it, but she didn’t know if she could be poly. She could never “deal” with meeting me or communicating with me, and my partner assured her that everything was fine with me because we were poly and I was fine with their relationship

So she is doing poly things she really doesn't want to be doing. Not your problem if she picks choices like that. (If her behavior holds up a mirror -- because YOU do stuff you really don't want to be doing? Note it.)

But HE is a big ol' liar and ok using the woman to get whatever he can get out of her. Even when he knows she doesn't really want to be doing this. That IS your problem, since you pick him out to date.

What makes him so great in character that you want to keep on picking him out? :confused:

(I wasn't, but at my best times I was trying to be).

Why pretend to be something you are not?

Thus started about 8 months of her waffling on poly and breaking up with him multiple times a month because “it can never work” but then always getting back together with him. She texted and called him incessantly, including times we were together or having a date, and he refused to set any boundaries.

You were not setting boundaries with HIM either. Putting up with his emotional affair and then agreeing to continue poly with the cheating partner in the network and then all this drama? When you don't really want to be doing it and "pretend" to be ok? For 8+ mos? :eek:

Where is the pleasure in this for you?

She has a lot of mental illnesses and was stressed out by finals and family drama and sucked up a lot of his time--he would talk to her on the phone for hours every night to make it easier for her to fall asleep, since she has a sleep disorder. He was both completely infatuated and worried about the effect on her mental health if he set any boundaries.

So back to the place where he sucks at picking out other dating partners. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Again... where is the pleasure in all this for you? :confused:
If/when this one fades away... you are gonna still stick around? Buy another ticket for another spin on his wacky merry-go-round? :confused:

He finally “broke up” with her but in order to soften the blow (and maybe leave the option open for us to be an “official” poly family in the future) he said that if she acknowledged my existence, committed to poly, and created a support network to become stable and self-supporting, that maybe poly was an option.

Wow, he really does take you for granted. He's just the boss of all? And what he says goes?

To me he sounds like he wants to keep that "faucet" accessible so if he ever wants ego strokes form her again he can go back to that well. Keeping her on the string.

This behavior is admirable and something you love and respect in a person?

Then she asked him to come visit her so they could meet “at least once” in person. I told him that the poly ship has sailed for me--I have a lot of anger at both of them and I don’t feel comfortable being in a relationship with someone so unreliable and having to pretend that I was OK with her from the beginning (because if we came clean, he’d have to admit he lied to her).

So if this ship has sailed why are you still here with him? :confused:

He's not esp reliable.

  • You NEVER have to pretend.
  • You NEVER have to do things you are not comfortable with.
  • Your consent to participate in things belongs to YOU.

If you are consenting to be in things that suck? Stop consenting and get out.

Right now you are in cahoots with him. Pretending. So he doesn't have to come clean to her and admit he's a big ol' liar and has been lying to her from the beginning.

Is doing this something you enjoy?

He said that I should be able to suck it up and pretend, because he’d been sacrificing his own happiness for me and this was a trivial ask in comparison.

You can say " I will not pretend. I will not suck anything more up. You no longer have to "sacrifice" your happiness for me. We're done."

He's not "sacrificing" anything here. He's being dramatic to keep YOU on the string. He knows how to work your buttons. Basically you put up with all the other crap for 10 years, so he just expects you to shut up and keep on putting up with it. And go with a smile and stop raining on his parade complaining.

Thing is... he can keep on having his parade WITHOUT you. So stop talking. Because you know from past experience it doesn't change anything to talk to him.

Instead move to action. Become ok with leaving. Esp if he's going overseas.
Maybe just don't be there when he gets back.

But ultimately, he decided that trying to make the two relationships work is too stressful, that he bungled it from the beginning, and that since she’s leaving to work in Africa anyway and still can’t really even commit to trying poly, that it’s better to let it go. So he’s visiting her overseas to break up with her, but he would still want to try the poly family thing with her if I was OK with it.

Ridiculous. One does not have to go overseas to break up with people. One can do it on the phone and not be out the expense of travel!

He sounds like he is going to try to get sex out of the faucet and play head games. Making you "mean mommy" so he can tell her whatever Romeo and Juliet drama story while over there to help keep her on the hook.

He already KNOWS she is not ok with poly.

He already KNOWS you are not ok with this either. But doesn't pay it much mind because basically you are all talk and no show. You complain and make noise but in the end? You keep staying. Your talk IS ignorable then. Because he still has you for a faucet person.

He's going off to secure the faucet he's not as sure on.

I don’t think that they will stay “broken up” (they never have before) and I just don’t know what to do when they inevitably get around to trying to be a poly family. I've lost trust in both of them.

No trust here? Get out. Say NO.

YOU leave this drama behind. That is what you do. You don't have to keep on staying here waiting for the new stupid to come. You can opt out.

Besides being jealous and resentful, I don’t want to be in a poly relationship with someone who has massive problems that need professional support ....

You know you are talking about your PARTNER right? He's got whatever White Knight Hero thing, and picks out poor partners, overextends himself, lies, manipulates, is mean to you, etc.

You did not cause this in him. You cannot fix it.

and that my partner isn't qualified to deal with, is only “trying” poly because she worships my partner, and has never shown any interest in even meeting me for the year she's been quasi-poly with my partner.

... and that part is really YOU?

That YOU are not qualified to deal with a partner who has some weird "White Knight" thing going on? And is mean to you?

And you keep "trying" to do wonky poly with him because YOU are hung up on him? But now that is seriously dinging you. Being with him HURTS you.

Has he even shown any interest in being a solid partner to YOU in the last year?

Hon, you have medical stuff. You don't need this stress and chronic drama because he picks dating partners out poorly, treats you poorly, makes messes, lies, manipulates, etc.

Get out. Life doesn't have to be this hard.

Of course, I'm some internet stranger. You don't have to listen to me at all.

But I hope you at least consider taking a step back and looking at the bigger picture pattern, and not just what's been going on with this one particular lady.

If this is ALWAYS happening with him? The common denominator is HIM, not the ladies. :(

And maybe you have clocked enough time trying to do wonky poly with him for 10 years to no avail? Just drama after drama?

And maybe it's time to be done with wonky. Let it go and move on to something less stressy for the next chapter of your life?

Breaking up with him is not fun to think about, but if the other choice is putting up with MORE wonky while your health is in trouble or made worse by all this?

Walk alway! That is my suggestion.

Galagirl
 
Hello Iggs,

In my opinion, you are being treated badly both by your partner and by the metamour. And watch out for this thing about him visiting her overseas to break up with her, that visit is almost certain to turn out to be just the opposite! It occurs to me, that maybe you would have already left him by now, if it weren't for your disability and the fact that you need him to care for you through your severe chronic pain and depression. He probably figures he has a lot of leverage over you, and that even if you don't want his poly, you will put up with it and try to do so with a smile. This is a really bad situation for you to be in. I definitely sympathize. Hopefully you will find a good doctor soon who will help you. If that would happen, then you could probably break up with your partner. Which I think would be a good thing.

Hang in there,
Regards,
Kevin T.
 
FallenAngelina, thank you for your response and keeping me focused on the bigger issues. You are absolutely right about the codependency. I noticed this dynamic between my partner and me a while ago, while he was caring for me with my injury, and brought it up. I've been trying to pull back, be more independent, and not smother him, but I'm realizing this is not something I can probably fix by myself or without professional help. He didn’t seem very responsive when we first talked about it, but I think he is coming around to it now. But we have both been using the “poly” drama to avoid dealing with these issues.

GalaGirl and kdt26417, thank you for your kind words and feedback. Healthwise, I’m able to do a lot more now and the pain has become manageable. I appreciate hearing your perspectives, and GG thanks for pointing out the parallels in my & the metamour’s behavior. I understand how it seems inconceivable that I participated in this situation for so long (~1 year) without demanding change or leaving. He has never been like this before--this year it’s like he became a completely different person. Maybe he snapped from the stress from his work, the drama of the other relationships, and taking care of me, with a midlife crisis thrown in? We have been together 20 years and in all the other poly relationships, he has always been completely respectful and supportive of me; we negotiated boundaries and arrangements for poly, he always arranged for everyone to meet right at the beginning, and if his partners violated them or tried to undermine our relationship, he left. He also did a lot of work caring for me--cooking, cleaning, driving--for years when I was unable to.

In the past few days I started standing up for myself while acknowledging the harm I *have* done, and he admitted that he’s been dishonest, manipulative and selfish in the way he conducted this affair, and wants to work to fix things. But it’s true that we’ve gotten into such a toxic dynamic that maybe we do need at least a separation.
 
I took the liberty of editing a bit for clarity. My responses are included.

This is NOT healthy relating, in my opinion. His poor choices and poor behavior are not your fault or your doing.

Even though it sucks up all your spoons to work, and keep your health insurance, and deal with your medical issues, he thinks you working to take care of yourself is you neglecting him.

Yeah. That's immature, almost inhuman. In fact, even elephants take care of their weaker and less abled family members as a matter of course. There's this thing called compassion humans (and many other animals) have. Five adult elephants recently fell to their death trying to save one baby elephant that fell down a big waterfall. Was the baby neglecting the adults' needs? Two more elephants were also trying to help, but humans stepped in to stop them from also falling. The elephants didn't make a big deal about their sacrifice, in a pity party.

If he did not keep up his, "we agree you tell me about new people" agreement with you, and kept a secret affair person hidden, then he cheated on agreements.

We haven't been told if they had that agreement. Also, it was just phone calls. They aren't actually dating. They have not met. I am not sure why he decided to hide this person when he didn't hide the others. Maybe he's gotten a lot of complaints about the needy people he chooses to date, and so he's decided he can keep doing it in secret. That's real mature.:rolleyes:

It's on you to decide what to do about that. It sounds like you let it slide for 8+ months, and now you feel resentful because you put his "fun" ahead of your own well being.

Just because you have been with this guy 10 years doesn't mean you have to give him the whole rest of your life, if he's turned into a bad partner now. Be leery of sunk cost fallacy.

I don't think he's turned into a bad partner all of a sudden. It's the same old same old, and she's just tired and in pain and there's no point anymore.

She is doing poly things she really doesn't want to be doing. It's not your problem if she makes choices like that. (If her behavior holds up a mirror to YOUR behaviors, because YOU do stuff you really don't want to be doing, take note of that.)

But HE is a big ol' liar and is OK using the woman (all women) to get whatever he can get out of her, even when he knows she doesn't really want to be doing this. That IS your problem, since you keep choosing to date him. What makes him so great in character that you want to keep being with him? :confused: Why pretend to be something you are not?

You are not setting boundaries with him either. You are putting up with his emotional affair, and agreeing to continue to do poly with the cheating partner in the network (him), and then having all this drama, when you don't really want to be doing it, and are only "pretending" to be OK, for 8+ mos. Why?

Where is the pleasure in this for you? You're back to the place where he sucks at choosing other dating partners. Lather, rinse, repeat. If/when this one fades away, are you still going to stick around, and buy another ticket for another spin on his wacky merry-go-round?

He really does take you for granted. He thinks he is just the boss of everyone, and what he says goes.

He sounds like he wants to keep that "faucet" accessible, so if he ever wants ego strokes from her again, he can go back to that. He is keeping her on a string. Is this behavior admirable, and something you love and respect in a person? If this ship has sailed why are you still with him?

He's not especially reliable.

  • You NEVER have to pretend.
  • You NEVER have to do things you are not comfortable with.
  • Your consent to participate in things belongs to YOU.

If you are consenting to be in things that suck, stop consenting and get out.

Right now you are in cahoots with him, pretending, so he doesn't have to come clean to her and admit he's a big ol' liar who has been lying to her from the beginning. Do you enjoy this? You can say, "I will not pretend. I will not suck anything more up. You no longer have to 'sacrifice' your happiness for me. We're done."

He's not "sacrificing" anything here. He's being dramatic to keep YOU on the string. He knows how to push your buttons. You put up with all the other crap for 10 years. So he just expects you to shut up, stop complaining, keep on putting up with it, carry on with a smile, and stop raining on his parade.

The thing is, he can keep on having his parade WITHOUT you. You can stop talking about it, because you know from past experience it doesn't change anything to talk to him. Instead, move to action. Become OK with leaving, especially if he's going overseas. Maybe just don't be there when he gets back.

One does not have to go overseas to break up with people. One can do it on the phone and not be out the expense of travel! He sounds like he is going to try to get sex out of the sex faucet, and play head games by making you out to be the "mean mommy," so he can tell her some Romeo and Juliet drama story to keep her on the hook.

He already KNOWS she is not OK with poly, and he already KNOWS you are not OK with all this either. But he doesn't pay it much mind, because basically you are all talk and no show. You complain and make noise but in the end you keep staying. He can ignore your talk because he still has you for a faucet, doling out attention to him.

He's going off to secure the other faucet he's not as sure on.

He needs 2 faucets on his sink, to triangulate against each other. That adds to the fun for him. That's part of his sick game.

You can leave this drama behind. You don't have to keep on staying here waiting for new stupid behaviors to come. You can opt out.

He's got this White Knight Hero thing going on, and chooses poor partners, overextends himself, lies, manipulates, is mean to you, etc. You did not cause this in him. You cannot fix it.

You're wasting your time and energy. And you can not spare either.

You are not qualified to deal with a partner who has some weird "White Knight" thing going on, and is mean to you. You keep trying to do wonky poly with him because you are hung up on him. But now that is seriously dinging you. Being with him hurts you.

Yeah. Why do this? Who are you benefiting? Are you living on hope he will change? It sounds like he's just getting more and more outrageous and bold and self-centered. He likes feeling superior and powerful when he relates to women and their problems. It pumps up his ego.

Has he even shown any interest in being a solid partner to YOU in the last year? You have medical stuff. You don't need the chronic stress and drama of him choosing poor dating partners, treating you badly, making messes, lying, manipulating, etc. Get out. Life doesn't have to be this hard.

Of course, I'm some internet stranger. You don't have to listen to me. But I hope you at least consider taking a step back and looking at the bigger picture, and not just what's been going on with this particular lady du jour. If this is always happening with him, the common denominator is HIM, not the ladies. :( Maybe you have clocked enough time trying to do wonky poly with him, for 10 years, to no avail.

Except just drama after drama.

It's time to be done with this wonky style poly. It's time to let it go and move on to something less stressful for the next chapter of your life.

Breaking up with him is not fun to think about, but if the other choice is putting up with MORE bad behavior while your health is in trouble, or even made worse by all this, my suggestion is to walk away.

Agreed.
 
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