Looking for some thoughts/advice on new partner

Xani

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I (28F) started seeing someone new (29M), and there's been a few bumps.

Background: my husband (30M) and I have been open/poly for 3 years and it's been great. I've dated two different people in that time, both of whom I still see to some degree.

I wasn't actively looking for anyone new but I met a guy through social media, we started talking and immediately connected. Shared interests and sense of humour, mutual attraction, the whole deal. He's single, been mono in the past, and has never been with anyone poly. I explained my marriage and boundaries upfront, the fact that I had other partners as well, and he admitted it would be new for him but that he really liked me and was willing to give it a shot. So after about a week of texting every day, we agreed to meet up for a first date.

It was amazing. We spent the entire evening talking about our lives, interests, laughed a lot, held hands. I felt a deep sense of connection, like we'd known each other a long time even though it was the first time we'd met in person. We made out for a while before the end of the night. Just a magical date.

We continued texting that night after the date and in a moment of reflection, he admitted that he was already in love with me. I was surprised that he put it out there after only the first date, but I knew I had feelings for him too and I was honest about that in return.

We agreed to meet up for a second date a few days later. It was even better than the first. He made his feelings clear by reiterating them in person, as did I. We both knew it was moving fast, lots of NRE, but I was never uneasy about it, everything felt right. We slept together afterward and it was wonderful. I was looking forward to seeing him again.

We texted frequently the next few days, and then suddenly, he stopped replying at his usual pace. I knew something was up but I didn't press for details, I figured he'd tell me when he was ready. And after a couple days of laboured replies, he did. He had found out he was a father and worried it would change things between us. I was surprised of course, one of the things we hadn't discussed much was his dating history (other than him being currently single) so I asked for details. All he said was that it was someone he'd been with for a while. I told him having a child wasn't a dealbreaker for me. But I could tell the revelation had him rattled and he had a lot of weight on his shoulders because of it. Even though I wanted to, I didn't ask how he found out or the specifics of what was going on, because again, I figured he would tell me those things once he'd had time to process. So I just told him I was here for him and to take whatever time he needed.

For a couple more weeks, the responses remained slow, and I did wonder if I was about to get ghosted. He never went no contact, but there'd be days with one text back and forth. He also happened to be sick, so I just gave him space, I couldn't imagine how he must have been feeling. But I missed him. He'd send an "I love you" or an "I miss you" text here or there, I didn't feel completely ignored, but we had been texting so much that I missed it, missed seeing his face.

The texting has picked up again, not quite like the beginning but he's slowly coming back to himself. A few days ago, he asked when I'd have some alone time and I named a day, asked if it worked for him. He said he'd let me know, but he never did. I haven't seen him since that second date. I don't know anything more about his kid than what he initially told me, I suppose I've been hesitant to ask because it's such a heavy subject and I don't know what his thoughts are about it yet. He's said he'll be okay, he'll be "back to normal" soon but I'm wondering what to do.

Continue giving him space to deal with it? Ask the questions I want to know? It feels like we were put on pause just as we were getting to a deeper place of knowing each other. The time I've had to reflect has caused some doubts, made me wonder if getting attached so early was a mistake even though everything felt right. We've yet to see each other's places, he hasn't met my husband yet, there's a lot we never got the chance to do before this came up. And it does seem to have changed things as he worried it would, but instead of on my end, it's on his.

The texting is more sex-driven recently, as it's been a few weeks since we've been together. He's not shy about telling me he wants me, which of course I enjoy, but with all these questions floating around, I need answers before we can push further. And I'm concerned that he flaked on hanging out without an explanation, even just to say "that day doesn't work for me" etc. Either answer would have gone a long way instead of leaving it up in the air.

I'm just looking for an outside perspective on this, thoughts on how to proceed. I'm a patient person, I can absolutely wait for him to sort out whatever he needs to if that's the case. I feel like an in-person conversation where I can ask some pressing questions may be all we need to smooth over the bumps, but I'm interested to hear some different perspectives, insights, red flags you noticed that I've missed?
 
He's said he'll be okay, he'll be "back to normal" soon

If it were me, and he said that, I'd take him at his word and just be as patient as I could. I might write some letters to him, not to send him but to get it out of my system. Either he'll come through it, and then we could talk about whatever I need to, or he won't and it's a moot point.

Re the ignoring of date idea, if it bothered me, I might say something explicit like "I'm fine to be patient but if we're making plans to meet, and you ask me to suggest a day, and I do, then I'd like you to respond yes/no rather than leave me hanging. Cos it bothers me if you ignore something like that."

I don't see any red flags myself. Feeling a rush of connection can happen sometimes, and not an issue in itself. From what you've said it seems he's communicating best he can and still being quite clear (apart from the date scheduling thing). It's a bit unexpected when a Big Life Thing erupts in early NRE dating, it throws a light on whether you have compatible communication styles etc when normally you'd just be riding the new intimacy high.
 
Continue giving him space to deal with it? Ask the questions I want to know? It feels like we were put on pause just as we were getting to a deeper place of knowing each other. The time I've had to reflect has caused some doubts, made me wonder if getting attached so early was a mistake even though everything felt right. We've yet to see each other's places, he hasn't met my husband yet, there's a lot we never got the chance to do before this came up. And it does seem to have changed things as he worried it would, but instead of on my end, it's on his.

Well, everyone is different. Me? I wouldn't be calling it "in love" 2 dates in. And now that he has been surprised with the fact that he's a father? It might not actually be the best time to pursue a new relationship for him.

If you want to know stuff? Just ask him what's going on. It's what you'd be doing anyway WITHOUT this kid news right? Dating and getting to know each other better?

If he's kinda fading out or this news changes his willingness to participate in poly? Or this is getting kinda meh for you because you don't like being put on hold like you start to make plans and then it falls flat? Could be decisive and just end it so you don't have to deal in that right now.

Nothing says you can't try again once he's more stable/past the shock of the news.

But just cuz HIS life went all up in the air?

Doesn't mean yours has to.

I dunno if that opinion helps you any.

Galagirl
 
I don't see any red flags myself. Feeling a rush of connection can happen sometimes, and not an issue in itself. From what you've said it seems he's communicating best he can and still being quite clear (apart from the date scheduling thing). It's a bit unexpected when a Big Life Thing erupts in early NRE dating, it throws a light on whether you have compatible communication styles etc when normally you'd just be riding the new intimacy high.

I agree, and I think it's the disruption of that new intimacy high that's been so jarring. I've never had that experience with any of my previous partners. It's put in perspective how fragile and important that stage of a relationship can be, and left me wondering how/if we can pick up where we left off after this huge paradigm shift in his life.

And now that he has been surprised with the fact that he's a father? It might not actually be the best time to pursue a new relationship for him.

If you want to know stuff? Just ask him what's going on. It's what you'd be doing anyway WITHOUT this kid news right? Dating and getting to know each other better?

I was thinking this myself. It's definitely a question I'd like to ask him in person, however. Texting can be tricky for these sorts of things. I'd like to gauge face to face how he's feeling about this news and see if a relationship is something he still wants right now.
 
He had found out he was a father and worried it would change things between us....He's said he'll be okay, he'll be "back to normal" soon....

There's no getting back to normal when someone becomes a parent, there is only slowly creating a new normal. Even when the parenting situation is unconventional, a person goes through huge changes, whether those changes are acknowledged or not. Life as they know it changes forever. Only you can know whether you want to roll with him during this time of tremendous change. Your relationship may be able to accommodate that change and it may not, but make no mistake that things have changed dramatically.
 
I'll basically second everyone here and say be patient and understanding, but also let him know that does have a soft limit. Be sensitive to his needs through this upheaval but not at the expense of your own.

I would probably say something like "I understand you are going through a lot and I want to help you through it if I can, but you need to communicate with me if this is going to work. Take your time, I'm not pressuring you, but we need to sort these things out and the sooner the better so we can proceed in the way that's best for us both." Reasonable, understanding without being a complete pushover. At least that's what I'm trying to convey.

Mono or Poly, Friends or Lovers or everything inbetween, the biggest key to any good relationship is Communication.

P.S. I am a person who feels intense love for others very quickly in relationships and still care even when the NRE intensity fades. But because the NRE exacerbates it and I recognize afterwards even though I do care they may not be a good fit, I have learned to either wait to deploy the L-bomb until time has passed and I am sure it's more serious or reframe it to acknowledge the exacerbation ("I am feeling very intensely close to you right now" or "I love being with you" or "I am loving the way you make me feel" etc). So while I have certainly felt "I love you" that soon and had it be sincere, so I understand, I still would probably not trust it being said to me that soon. Not saying don't trust and enjoy this, just proceed with caution especially at this emotionally volitile point.
 
Huh. My opinion is that there are red flags all over this guy:

1) Telling you he loves you after the FIRST DATE??? I would especially say this is a red flag because he is mono (or at least, totally new to poly). An experienced poly person might be able to appreciate the NRE fun of falling in love quickly, but he doesn't even know what it's going to be like to date someone with a spouse & other partners.

2) Not giving you any info/specifics on his fatherhood situation. If he "loves you," why wouldn't he want to tell you what's going on? If he has a real connection with you, why wouldn't he at least want to talk through it with you, EVEN AS A FRIEND, to get advice/perspective?

I mean, what's the deal? Did his recent ex tell him she's pregnant, or did an ex from like 10 years ago tell him he's the father of a 10-year-old kid, or what? Why is he being so vague about it to you?

Or, if he didn't want to tell you any details, he could say, "I'm sorry, I have to deal with my personal situation and won't be able to see you for a while, but maybe we can try reconnecting in a couple months if you're available?" Instead, he's stringing you along, vaguely asking for space while also still wanting some sex from you.

And finally...3) Not following up to say he can't make it on the day you were trying to make plans. That's just lame. No excuses.

#2 and #3 really negate the "I love you" part. He may have gotten the warm fuzzies from your date, but if he were in love with you, he'd want to see you no matter what. If he had a true connection with you, he'd at least want to talk to you about what's going on.

This really shows why "falling in love" on a first date is no good. It creates the idea that a relationship is ALREADY "serious" when you've just had one or two dates.
 
Hello Xani,

At this point I think that your main objective should be, that you need to get together with this man, and meet up face-to-face, so that you can ask him the questions you want to know, and you can measure his facial expressions and body language as he processes those questions. The more important a question is, the more important it is to ask the person in person. This fellow has just found out that he is a father, and that is a BFD. Don't let him skirt your efforts to meet up, insist that he meet up with you even if he has to be the one to choose the time and place.

Hopefully then you'll know whether to move things forward with him.
Regards,
Kevin T.
 
I was thinking this myself. It's definitely a question I'd like to ask him in person, however. Texting can be tricky for these sorts of things. I'd like to gauge face to face how he's feeling about this news and see if a relationship is something he still wants right now.

Or split the difference since he's poor on making "in person" plans right now. Have a phone call or video call. More than text, but less than "in person."

And if he cannot even do that? Then you have your answer.

Bow out because he's all up in the air right now. Just cuz his life went up in the air doesn't mean your life has to be. Esp not just 2 dates in.

Galagirl
 
Huh. My opinion is that there are red flags all over this guy:

1) Telling you he loves you after the FIRST DATE??? I would especially say this is a red flag because he is mono (or at least, totally new to poly). An experienced poly person might be able to appreciate the NRE fun of falling in love quickly, but he doesn't even know what it's going to be like to date someone with a spouse & other partners.

2) Not giving you any info/specifics on his fatherhood situation. If he "loves you," why wouldn't he want to tell you what's going on? If he has a real connection with you, why wouldn't he at least want to talk through it with you, EVEN AS A FRIEND, to get advice/perspective?

I mean, what's the deal? Did his recent ex tell him she's pregnant, or did an ex from like 10 years ago tell him he's the father of a 10-year-old kid, or what? Why is he being so vague about it to you?

Or, if he didn't want to tell you any details, he could say, "I'm sorry, I have to deal with my personal situation and won't be able to see you for a while, but maybe we can try reconnecting in a couple months if you're available?" Instead, he's stringing you along, vaguely asking for space while also still wanting some sex from you.

And finally...3) Not following up to say he can't make it on the day you were trying to make plans. That's just lame. No excuses.

#2 and #3 really negate the "I love you" part. He may have gotten the warm fuzzies from your date, but if he were in love with you, he'd want to see you no matter what. If he had a true connection with you, he'd at least want to talk to you about what's going on.

This really shows why "falling in love" on a first date is no good. It creates the idea that a relationship is ALREADY "serious" when you've just had one or two dates.

And 4) Backing off after having sex. Some people are into the pursuit more than anything. That's at least a yellow flag for me.
 
And 4) Backing off after having sex. Some people are into the pursuit more than anything. That's at least a yellow flag for me.

Yeah. Men will say anything to get one cheap night of sex. Say all the flowery words. Make promises. Take your hand so tenderly. Make "love" so thoroughly.

Then ghost.
 
Yeah. Men will say anything to get one cheap night of sex. Say all the flowery words. Make promises. Take your hand so tenderly. Make "love" so thoroughly.

Then ghost.

Some men do. More than I'd like to admit, and there's an insidious piece of society that encourages it and that disgusts me.

But not all men. Not even really most men when you get down to it. I'm not like that. I mean, I'm okay with casual sex but even if the sex is casual I want to keep the connection.

That's actually one of my standards. Even if the physical intimacy is unserious and ultimately ephemeral, I want to be able to keep up knowing you if I can and not drop out of your life. (And repeat performances are always on the table from my end unless the experience was just mutually bad).
 
I agree with what Meera said...

My advice is slow down. And when people show you who they truly are believe them.
 
Thanks for all the responses guys, I appreciate it! Hearing your thoughts has given me new insight and I have an update.

Still haven't seen him in person, but I asked him some questions. I figured that was on me if he wasn't going to volunteer any info, and I knew gauging his response to me being inquisitive about it would say a lot as well. Asked him about the kid, how he found out, etc. His son is about a month old, with a previous partner, and he found out through a text. Blood test confirmed it's his. He's shocked more than anything, but says there could be worse things, and he's got a healthy outlook about it. Has been able to spend some time with the kid, wants to be there for him and and give him a good life. I was right to be patient. He was open about it when asked, and it's a good start.

My next step is setting up time to see each other again. I'm going to suggest a day, and make sure to get either a yes or no this time, making sure he understands why leaving me hanging is a problem. We had discussed going to his place for the second date, but he was having work done on his house that day so we decided against it. I think going there would be a good step in getting to know him better. In all fairness, he's more of an in-person conversationalist than a texter, so I still think a face to face is how I'll be able to gauge where he's at with the two of us, and how best to proceed, if that's indeed what he wants.

Yeah. Men will say anything to get one cheap night of sex. Say all the flowery words. Make promises. Take your hand so tenderly. Make "love" so thoroughly.

Then ghost.

This was definitely a concern. I thought about that possibility and did remind myself that just because it hasn't happened to me yet, doesn't mean it won't. You can never truly know someone in the short time frame we've had, but I don't think ghosting is the case here. He's been open about the handful of questions I asked about his kid, and he's kept up some communication throughout what I'm sure has been a trying time for him. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt because of his situation.
 
Thanks for that update; it sounds like things are definitely going better.
 
Thanks for all the responses guys, I appreciate it! Hearing your thoughts has given me new insight. I have an update.

I still haven't seen him in person, but I asked him some questions. I figured that was on me, if he wasn't going to volunteer any info, and I knew gauging his response to me being inquisitive about it would say a lot as well.

I asked him about the kid, how he found out, etc. His son is about a month old, from a previous partner, and he found out through a text. A blood test confirmed it's his. He's shocked more than anything, but says there could be worse things, and he's got a healthy outlook about it. Has been able to spend some time with the kid, wants to be there for him, and and give him a good life. I was right to be patient. He was open about it when asked. It's a good start.

My next step is setting up time to see each other again. I'm going to suggest a day, and make sure to get either a yes or no this time, making sure he understands why leaving me hanging is a problem. We had discussed going to his place for the second date, but he was having work done on his house that day so we decided against it.

I think going there would be a good step in getting to know him better. In all fairness, he's more of an in-person conversationalist than a texter, so I still think a face to face is how I'll be able to gauge where he's at with the two of us, and how best to proceed, if that's indeed what he wants.

This was definitely a concern. I thought about that possibility and did remind myself that just because it hasn't happened to me yet, doesn't mean it won't. You can never truly know someone in the short time frame we've had, but I don't think ghosting is the case here. He's been open about the handful of questions I asked about his kid, and he's kept up some communication throughout what I'm sure has been a trying time for him. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt because of his situation.

I'm still skeptical. Of course I hope he's on the up and up.

I wonder at "house being worked on, so you can't come over." "Just found out I'm the dad of a one month old, so I can't see you."

So 10 months ago he got someone pregnant. She wasn't sure it was his though. Which means she was having sex with at least one other guy in that period. Which means they weren't using birth control, or she might have had a failure with any one (or more) of 2 (or more) men.

Now he's got to see the DNA report to make sure he can believe this ex of his. And then what? Try and get shared custody? Spend a lot more time co-parenting with an ex who he may or may not get along with? His life has gotten way more complicated all of a sudden.

I guess you really really like him and want to give him a shot. I still see that first date "I love you" as a creepy red flag. He might turn out to be sketchy all around. But best wishes!
 
My next step is setting up time to see each other again....We had discussed going to his place for the second date...


In light of the facts that he is an insta-dad to a baby, he's been avoidant in his communication and you have only met up once, you might consider backing off as a next step. This connection isn't humming along organically, it sounds like it's only happening at this point due to your efforts. Do you want to keep inserting yourself into a situation in which there is debatable room for you? If he is truly interested and sincere, he will take steps toward you. Let him come, if he chooses, in his own time. If he doesn't, you'll know just how magical those first weeks actually were. Your backing off will tell you everything you need to know about this man.
 
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