Aussie Lady looking for more love

LadyLove

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Hi! I am newly looking into sharing my abundance of love with more people.
I’ve only ever had monogamous heterosexual relationships but am bisexual.
I’ve been happily married for over 15years but I have always felt I didn’t really explore the same-sex side of my bisexuality. Recently, I’ve been feeling that something has been missing from my life and believe loving a woman is it!
I’ve been reading and trying to learn as much as I can and having some tricky conversations with hubby.
Looking forward to getting some insight into making polyamory work for my family from some more experienced people.
 
Hi LadyLove - and welcome to the Forum! We will look forward to hearing more of your story as it unfolds. We do have a number of experienced poly folks here, so please do not hesitate to post and thoughts and questions that you might have.

Here's a link to a list that I put together of some of the best poly web sites that you might find helpful in learning more about polyamory:

http://www.polyamory.com/forum/showthread.php?t=108191

Also many of us here recommend Opening Up: A Guide to Creating and Sustaining Open Relationships by Tristan Taormino as the best introductory book for poly. (Available in hard copy or digital at Amazon et al).

Again, welcome to the Forum!

Al
 
Greetings LadyLove,
Welcome to our forum. Please feel free to lurk, browse, etc.

Every relationship is unique, just as every person is unique, so let us know some of the details of your situation, and that will help us know what to advise. For example, you mentioned that you are having some tricky conversations with your husband. Could you go into more detail on what makes them tricky? Does your husband have reservations about poly? What kind of reservations does he have? Is there something specific about poly that rubs him the wrong way? Does he have fears or concerns? What are some of the worries that he has?

In addition to the excellent resources Al99 pointed you to, here are some other resources that tend to be helpful:

Explore the ones that call to you.
Sincerely,
Kevin T., "official greeter" :)

Notes:

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Welcome aboard!
 
Thank you! I’ve read most of the recommendations and just finished listening to “the ethical slut” audio book. I’m sure I’ll have lots of questions in the not-too-distant future.
Topics to look forward to - sex with a friend? Frought with danger or not?
- dealing with a reticent primary
- using polyamory to enhance my primary relationship
- emotional connection without physical intimacy?
- what to tell the kids?
 
A few quick thoughts:

  • Re: sex with a friend? Fraught with danger or not? ... some people actually have "friends with benefits." Generally speaking, it doesn't seem to be a problem.
  • Re: dealing with a reticent primary ... see the book, "How to Improve Your Marriage without Talking about It," by Patricia Love and Steven Stosny.
  • Re: using polyamory to enhance my primary relationship ... new relationships have NRE (New Relationship Energy), and it can work two different ways. One, is that it could cause the primary relationship to be neglected. Two, is that it could "bounce back" onto the primary relationship and enhance it. So this is a strategy that can work, depending on the individuals involved.
  • Re: emotional connection without physical intimacy? ... the word polyamory can be divvied up into two root words: "many loves." It does not say "many sex partners." So while polyamory is generally assumed to include physical intimacy, it doesn't *have* to have that to count as polyamory. Actually the emotional connection is more important.
  • Re: what to tell the kids? ... see advice on talking to the kids, When to tell the kids, and Telling younger kids.
I might think of more later on.
 
- dealing with a reticent primary

First, if your marriage is like most, you married with the idea that you would be monogamous, and there is by virtue of that understanding in your marriage, a contract for monogamy (so to speak) - and he is under no obligation to alter that contract. But, of course, it can be renegotiated, or nullified (through divorce), or simply left in place - and the idea of a polyamorous marriage dismissed (or unethically ignored - i.e, "cheating").

But - you can certainly make your case to your spouse, realizing that - even in just seriously discussing the idea - your marriage will have changed. My wife made her case to me when she asked me to transition our marriage to poly so she could explore her resurgent feelings for an old college boyfriend. And ultimately I agreed - and three years later, her boyfriend is living with us and I have a couple of partners as well. Transitioning a marriage to poly can be done - it does require lots of communication and effort, however.

Kevin included a link in his post above as to what she did right in making her case - you might find it helpful. My full story is in the signature link below.

Side note: many cis - hetero-mono guys may find it easier to accept the idea of you having sex with women than with men - so that could be to your advantage - obviously depending on your husband's own ideas about such things. (I would have found it easier).

Al
 
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Side note: many cis-hetero-mono guys may find it easier to accept the idea of you having sex with women than with men, so that could be to your advantage, obviously depending on your husband's own ideas about such things. (I would have found it easier).

Al

Al, really? Please let's not recommend that patriarchal idea. Women's desires on this earth are not here to make "cis-hetero-mono" men comfortable.

I encourage her to go where her heart and desires take her, whether it's into the arms of another woman, a man, or someone of any other gender (note: there are many).

What if she falls in love with a lesbian "woman" who realizes they are actually a guy? It happens. A lot. If her h is fine with her dating a woman, but her gf turns into a bf, what does the poor h do then? Think it through... Is he now going to feel all competitive that "his" woman is now dating another dude, not "just" another woman? :p:confused::rolleyes:
 
Al, really? Please let's not recommend that patriarchal idea. Women's desires on this earth are not here to make "cis-hetero-mono" men comfortable.

I encourage her to go where her heart and desires take her, whether it's into the arms of another woman, a man, or someone of any other gender (note: there are many).

And there you have a different slant. :) And one that I agree with in principle.

However, I was addressing the OP as someone who has been happily married for 15 years - and is just now approaching her reticent husband about opening up her marriage. And, our lofty poly principles not withstanding, she is asking her husband to modify their marital contract for monogamy - and that is not always easy for the spouse who just got poly-bombed. And the fact is that for many men who are cis-hetero-mono-etc in long term marriages, the idea of their wives having sex with other men may very well be an extremely difficult idea to accept - and the truth is many of those same men would find it easier to accept the idea of their wives having sex with another woman than with another man. And I am stating this as a pragmatic reality for many - whether or not it is "right or wrong".

At least this was my experience. Although I am perfectly happy these days to sit in my recliner happily reading while my wife makes love to her boyfriend upstairs, this was NOT where I started. Then it was more like "wtf do you mean that you want an open marriage so that you can date (fuck) your old college boyfriend." It would have been much easier if she had wanted to try dating women. :)

True - ideally, anyone should be able to pursue their heart's desire, but if one is married to a staunchly mono spouse who refuses to go along (and the mono spouse should not be faulted - as presumably they married with a commitment to monogamy), then one does have a tough decision to make. Because, idealism notwithstanding, the pragmatic reality of transitioning a marriage to poly in a mono world is most often a demanding, long and winding road.

Al
 
And there you have a different slant. And one that I agree with, in principle.

However, I was addressing the OP as someone who has been happily married for 15 years - and is just now approaching her reticent husband about opening up her marriage. And, our lofty poly principles not withstanding, she is asking her husband to modify their marital contract for monogamy - and that is not always easy for the spouse who just got poly-bombed. And the fact is that for many men who are cis-hetero-mono-, etc., in long term marriages, the idea of their wives having sex with other men may very well be an extremely difficult idea to accept. The truth is many of those same men would find it easier to accept the idea of their wives having sex with another woman than with another man. And I am stating this as a pragmatic reality for many - whether or not it is "right or wrong."

At least, this was my experience... like "wtf do you mean that you want an open marriage so that you can date (fuck) your old college boyfriend?" It would have been much easier if she had wanted to try dating women.

That's you, Al. And maybe many guys think that at first; have "the idea" that her dating another woman would OK, even "hot," but her dating another guy is someone jizzing their male seed all over "your" woman, your possession, your territory. We have had these threads here before.

Many people, however, soon come to realize that another woman can be just as much a "threat" to a MF marriage as a man could be. Another woman can have more money, be more attractive, younger, (or older, which can be a benefit too), funnier, sexier and even have a bigger harder cock (or a variety of bigger, smaller, bendier, or vibrating ones), and better oral or hand skills than you-- just as much as any man ever could. And women are better than men at communicating, by and large, more empathic, more non-sexually cuddly, more emotionally intimate. Merely by being the same gender, 2 women will have more in common automatically than a man and a woman. I know this, since I have had long term relationships with both.

One of the biggest so-called "threats" to a newly poly relationship is NRE (infatuation). A woman can have just as much NRE for a new female partner as she could for some guy.
 
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A woman can have just as much NRE for a new female partner as she could for some guy.

First, apologies for getting off on a bit of a tangent on LadyLove's intro thread. And, Mags, you make good points - the whole idea of "ownership" does underlie the issue that most mono men have with "sharing" their wives - but, then again, the women have their's also - say, "hands off my man, bitch". :)

As a society we clearly have a mono indoctrination that often does manifest as an "ownership" mentality (for both sexes, it would seem - but, granted, more so on the male side). And that mentality undoubtedly underlies the notion that most "ordinary mono" men would be more comfortable with their wives having a girlfriend than a boyfriend. Of course, as you noted, it doesn't *really* mean that the men are "safer" that way and I would be the first to agree that the wives might indeed have a much more satisfying relationship with another woman than another man, sexually and otherwise.

My wife's request that we open our marriage and transition to poly prompted me to dive into a fairly deep study and contemplation of polyamory and its relationship to monogamy. My key conclusion was that the belief that monogamy is the normal, natural, default mode for relationships is largely (perhaps even completely) due to cultural-religious conditioning. And that the conditioning can be "un-learned" with effort.

However, my real point - tying this back to a spouse who wants to open the marriage, but the spouse is reticent. It is not that one spouse "owns" the other and has the "right' to say "your body is mine and I will not allow you to share it". It is about having a contract with your spouse (via marriage) in which you have both agreed to be monogamous and have sex only with each other. And be in love only with each other. And to remain ethical, one cannot simply ignore the contract or declare it null and void at will while expecting the other spouse to comply, remain married, and just say "ok, sure" - if they are not in agreement. One has to be prepared to attempt to renegotiate the contract in a way that works for both, or be prepared to walk away from the marriage (if they deem poly to be worth it). Or possibly just walk away from the idea of poly - and struggle on with the mono life.

But happily, if both agree - it is possible, with effort and lots of communication, for a mono couple to successfully make the transition to poly.

Al
 
First, apologies for getting off on a bit of a tangent on LadyLove's intro thread.

Yes, we're really dragging it off track because you felt you needed to bring up that gender stuff, since the wife is bi...

Another consideration about your premise is that, even a newly out bi wife, who wants poly so she can "explore her lesbian side" might get hit on by hundreds of more men than women, unless she looks for a new partner in strictly female only spaces.

Men are so aggressive. If a man knows you're poly, he doesn't care if you're bi, he just thinks, ooh a vagina for me to fuck. And he pursues that.

Women, by and large, even bi and lesbian women, often expect to be wooed and pursued. So, it's going to be much more work for a newly bi woman to find another bi or gay woman to be with. And meanwhile, men are going to be hitting on her. Even if she "goes poly" to get with other women, she might, along the way, end up with more offers from men that those elusive women.

I am speaking from personal experience. I had very little luck finding women on OK Cupid, but hundreds of men messaged me. Maybe even thousands.

And, Mags, you make good points - the whole idea of "ownership" does underlie the issue that most mono men have with "sharing" their wives - but, then again, the women have their's also - say, "hands off my man, bitch". :)

As a society we clearly have a mono indoctrination that often does manifest as an "ownership" mentality (for both sexes, it would seem - but, granted, more so on the male side).

My woman, my man. Yes. Women are men's sexbots. Women are trained to hide their sexuality. Men, to them, have been paychecks.

So, it's "Keep your hands off my sexbot." And, "Keep your hands off my paycheck."

Of course, this is changing, but it's going to take 1500 years to undo 3000 years of patriarchy. We've barely scratched the surface.

And that mentality undoubtedly underlies the notion that most "ordinary mono" men would be more comfortable with their wives having a girlfriend than a boyfriend. Of course, as you noted, it doesn't *really* mean that the men are "safer" that way, and I would be the first to agree that the wives might indeed have a much more satisfying relationship with another woman than another man, sexually and otherwise.

So, I'd ask that you reconsider even mentioning your theory to newbies, since it's just an illusion.

My wife's request that we open our marriage and transition to poly prompted me to dive into a fairly deep study and contemplation of polyamory and its relationship to monogamy. My key conclusion was that the belief that monogamy is the normal, natural, default mode for relationships is largely (perhaps even completely) due to cultural-religious conditioning. And that the conditioning can be "un-learned" with effort.

However, my real point - tying this back to a spouse who wants to open the marriage, but the spouse is reticent. It is not that one spouse "owns" the other and has the "right' to say, "Your body is mine and I will not allow you to share it". It is about having a contract with your spouse (via marriage) in which you have both agreed to be monogamous and have sex only with each other. And be in love only with each other.

To remain ethical, one cannot simply ignore the contract or declare it null and void at will, while expecting the other spouse to comply, remain married, and just say "ok, sure" - if they are not in agreement. One has to be prepared to attempt to renegotiate the contract in a way that works for both, or be prepared to walk away from the marriage (if they deem poly to be worth it). Or possibly just walk away from the idea of poly - and struggle on with the mono life.

But happily, if both agree - it is possible, with effort and lots of communication, for a mono couple to successfully make the transition to poly.
 
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Women, by and large, even bi and lesbian women, often expect to be wooed and pursued. So, it's going to be much more work for a newly bi woman to find another bi or gay woman to be with. And meanwhile, men are going to be hitting on her. Even if she "goes poly" to get with other women, she might, along the way, end up with more offers from men that those elusive women.

I am speaking from personal experience. I had very little luck finding women on OK Cupid, but hundreds of men messaged me. Maybe even thousands.

I've had the same experience as Magdlyn. My experience is that gay/lesbian women, in general, tend to avoid bi women....especially bi, poly women with a male partner. OTOH, while bi women will generally date other bi women, many are leery of dating a bi woman who is partnered with a man. Frequently because they're mono, but also because of unicorn hunters. IME, it is way easier for a bi, poly woman to find male partners than female partners.

Though, in the case of the OP, it sounds like she's already found a woman. But, as Al said, it all depends on whether the husband is willing to renegotiate the marriage contract.
 
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But, as Al said, it all depends on whether the husband is willing to renegotiate the marriage contract.

Despite all the rhetoric, this was the primary point of my post. :)

Al
 
And women are better than men at communicating, by and large, more empathic, more non-sexually cuddly, more emotionally intimate....

Except, of course, those of us who are not...
 
I've had the same experience as Magdlyn. My experience is that gay/lesbian women, in general, tend to avoid bi women....especially bi, poly women with a male partner.

That has been my experience as well.

OTOH, while bi women will generally date other bi women, many are leery of dating a bi woman who is partnered with a man.

This has not been my experience with poly bi-women, maybe because most of the ones that I meet are partnered with a man themselves.
 
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