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I think NOT talking to your kids about what has been happening within their home and between the two of you is a bad decission. I think you both would be surprised by what the kids have observed and their opinions on it. I'm not suggesting offering information you don't want to introduce, but definitely talk with your kids. Let them ask the questions and you guys provide the answers.

SNecail - you are right. Our kids are only 12 and 8, so obviously we are not going to explain to our kids who MG is in relation to this situation (they know she works with Dad and they have met her.) But it probably would be a good idea to talk to them just about our fighting this week, about their feelings and concerns and to ensure them that we are still very much in love and staying together.

Well - today is day 4 of being off my one medication and I feel good. This morning - I woke up in my husbands arms, watched him sleeping and just smiled with intense love and appreciation. Most mornings, I wake up in his arms and have a heavy feeling of fear, hurt, sadness, anger and resentment. Today - was the way it should be, the way it can be and the way I want it to be. It was a great feeling!! I felt like a weight had been lifted from my shoulders.

We are enjoying the new baby and spending time with our family. Life is good today!

:) Kat
 
I am happy to see the former KT returning to the forums, lol.

In other words, I'm glad you're back, you have been missed.
 
What new baby? You just said your kids are 12 and 8.

:eek: Ha ha! Not ours!! :eek: 2rings' brother and his wife had an adorable baby girl yesterday. My in-laws are in town and we are enjoying a very nice visit with them!
 
I am happy to see the former KT returning to the forums, lol.

In other words, I'm glad you're back, you have been missed.

Thanks! It's good to feel somewhat sane again! I still have a long way to go - but I've taken the first steps.
 
When I saw that nearly 180 degree turn in the tone of your posts I figured something was wrong. I'm just glad you were able to figure it out without too much delay. Hopefully any damage wrought is fixable:).

Any way, welcome back the REAL KT!
 
When I saw that nearly 180 degree turn in the tone of your posts I figured something was wrong. I'm just glad you were able to figure it out without too much delay. Hopefully any damage wrought is fixable:).

Any way, welcome back the REAL KT!

:)
 
I'm sitting here in the Teacher's Lounge where I work and a group of teachers are discussing Sister Wives. They are talking about "how can the women be ok with it?" "How do they handle knowing he is having sex with other women?" "There is no way I'd be ok with that!"

I felt kind of embarrassed, ashamed - - - thinking only they knew . . .
 
I understand that feeling, it was the way I was raised. I do state to my partners and ask for feedback do you think I am being a slut? I just need their reassurance. Then I realized I was also raised to love and I do love more then one person. Be confident in yourself and realize you have made a choice for love.

LMBL
 
I'm tired. I feel worn down. I'm tired of the roller-coaster of emotions that we've been going through. One day things are fine, we are in love, we are a team, we are "us" again. Then the next day, old issues and resentments come up and we are back to contemplating divorce. I can't do this up and down anymore.

I feel disrespected, not valued, and unappreciated. I feel like a second class citizen in my own marriage. I feel like he is more concerned about MG's needs and wants than those of his own wife. It breaks my heart because despite all that - I still love him with all of my heart, body and soul. But the person I love the most is the one who is hurting me the most.
 
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I'm sitting here in the Teacher's Lounge where I work and a group of teachers are discussing Sister Wives. They are talking about "how can the women be ok with it?" "How do they handle knowing he is having sex with other women?" "There is no way I'd be ok with that!"

I felt kind of embarrassed, ashamed - - - thinking only they knew . . .

Tough show to watch. Big thread on it already, but polygamy does feel dirty when the wives don't have any freedom. It really is quite disgusting to enslave the women like that.
 
I'm tired. I feel worn down. I'm tired of the roller-coaster of emotions that we've been going through. One day things are fine, we are in love, we are a team, we are "us" again. Then the next day, old issues and resentments come up and we are back to contemplating divorce. I can't do this up and down anymore.

I feel disrespected, not valued, and unappreciated. I feel like a second class citizen in my own marriage. I feel like he is more concerned about MG's needs and wants than those of his own wife. It breaks my heart because despite all that - I still love him with all of my heart, body and soul. But the person I love the most is the one who is hurting me the most.

Kattails, you seriously need to take charge of your life and make a decision. Don't leave this up to 2Rings. Yoi've been at this for far too long to still be on this roller coaster. You either need to find something at your core that will make this work or just end it. You can't control your emotions, you need to truly feel this is ok and not just swallow it all up.

2Rings, you need to look at your wife and ask yourself is she healthy? Would she be better off without you in the long run? Will your kids be better off with two healthy homes or one divided one?

Someone seriously take a look at this, stop being afraid of change and just try something different because the same old roller coaster ride is not working.

I feel for all of you, no person will die without another, that is crap, you die a little and then get reborn.
 
Are you guys seeing a marriage councelor? If not, I would strongly suggest it.

A betrayal issue drove my husand and I to a councelor, I was at the point of divorce, in fact I had the paperwork 90% filled out. By our third meeting, the betrayal was completely a non-issue. Instead we did discover 19 years of resentment built off of little things and a communication breakdown (more like a block wall :rolleyes:). We both had some huge eye opening moments.

My point is that there may be resentments and other issues that even the two of you don't realize are affecting how you communicate and deal with each other. The longer we are married, the more time little things have a chance to really grind on us.
 
It's been said before on here that people can love each other, and be "in love", and still not make good partners or be able to live together. People change. Sometimes one person changes without the other, or both people change in ways that are not compatible with the other.
 
The Awakening
Sonny Carroll



There comes a time in your life when you finally get it ... When in the midst of all your fears and insanity you stop dead in your tracks and somewhere the voice inside your head cries out "ENOUGH! Enough fighting and crying or struggling to hold on." And, like a child quieting down after a blind tantrum, your sobs begin to subside, you shudder once or twice, you blink back your tears and through a mantle of wet lashes you begin to look at the world from a new perspective.

..........This is your awakening.




You realize that it is time to stop hoping and waiting for something or someone to change, or for happiness safety and security to come galloping over the next horizon. You come to terms with the fact that there aren't always fairytale endings (or beginnings for that matter) and that any guarantee of "happily ever after" must begin with you. Then a sense of serenity is born of acceptance.



So you begin making your way through the "reality of today" rather than holding out for the "promise of tomorrow." You realize that much of who you are and the way you navigate through life is, in great part, a result of all the social conditioning you've received over the course of a lifetime. And you begin to sift through all the nonsense you were taught about :

- how you should look and how much you should weigh,
- what you should wear and where you should shop,
- where you should live or what type of car you should drive,
- who you should sleep with and how you should behave,
- who you should marry and why you should stay,
- the importance of bearing children or what you owe your family,



Slowly you begin to open up to new worlds and different points of view. And you begin re-assessing and re-defining who you are and what you really believe in. And you begin to discard the doctrines you have outgrown, or should never have practiced to begin with.



You accept the fact that you are not perfect ,and that not everyone will love appreciate or approve of who or what you are... and that's OK... they are entitled to their own views and opinions. And, you come to terms with the fact that you will never be a size 5 or a "perfect 10".... Or a perfect human being for that matter... and you stop trying to compete with the image inside your head or agonizing over how you compare. And, you take a long look at yourself in the mirror and you make a promise to give yourself the same unconditional love and support you give so freely to others. Then a sense of confidence is born of self-approval.



And, you stop maneuvering through life merely as a "consumer" hungry for your next fix, a new dress, another pair of shoes or looks of approval and admiration from family, friends or even strangers who pass by. Then you discover that it is truly in "giving" that we receive, and that the joy and abundance you seek grows out of the giving. And you recognize the importance of "creating" and "contributing" rather than "obtaining" and "accumulating."



And you give thanks for the simple things you've been blessed with, things that millions of people upon the earth can only dream about - a full refrigerator, clean running water, a soft warm bed, the freedom of choice and the opportunity to pursue your own dreams.



And you begin to love and to care for yourself. You stop engaging in self-destructive behaviors, including participating in dysfunctional relationships. You begin eating a balanced diet, drinking more water and exercising. And because you've learned that fatigue drains the spirit and creates doubt and fear, you give yourself permission to rest. And just as food is fuel for the body, laughter is fuel for the spirit and so you make it a point to create time for play.



Then you learn about love and relationships - how to love, how much to give in love, when to stop giving, and when to walk away. And you allow only the hands of a lover who truly loves and respects you to glorify you with his touch. You learn that people don't always say what they mean or mean what they say, intentionally or unintentionally, and that not everyone will always come through... and interestingly enough, it's not always about you. So, you stop lashing out and pointing fingers or looking to place blame for the things that were done to you or weren't done for you. And you learn to keep your Ego in check and to acknowledge and redirect the destructive emotions it spawns - anger, jealousy and resentment.



You learn how to say "I was wrong" and to forgive people for their own human frailties. You learn to build bridges instead of walls and about the healing power of love as it is expressed through a kind word, a warm smile or a friendly gesture. And, at the same time, you eliminate any relationships that are hurtful or fail to uplift and edify you. You stop working so hard at smoothing things over and setting your needs aside. You learn that feelings of entitlement are perfectly OK and that it is your right to want or expect certain things. And you learn the importance of communicating your needs with confidence and grace. You learn that the only cross to bear is the one you choose to carry and that eventually martyrs are burned at the stake. Then you learn to distinguish between guilt, and responsibility and the importance of setting boundaries and learning to Say NO. You learn that you don't know all the answers, it's not your job to save the world and that sometimes you just need to Let Go.



Moreover, you learn to look at people as they really are and not as you would want them to be, and you are careful not to project your neediness or insecurities onto a relationship. You learn that you will not be more beautiful, more intelligent, more lovable or important because of the man on your arm or the child that bears your name. You learn that just as people grow and change, so it is with love and relationships, and that that not everyone can always love you the way you would want them to. So you stop appraising your worth by the measure of love you are given. And suddenly you realize that it's wrong to demand that someone live their life or sacrifice their dreams just to serve your needs, ease your insecurities, or meet "your" standards and expectations. You learn that the only love worth giving and receiving is the love that is given freely without conditions or limitations. And you learn what it means to love. So you stop trying to control people, situations and outcomes. You learn that "alone" does not mean "lonely" and you begin to discover the joy of spending time "with yourself" and "on yourself." Then you discover the greatest and most fulfilling love you will ever know - Self Love. And so it comes to pass that, through understanding, your heart heals; and now all new things are possible.



Moving along, you begin to avoid Toxic people and conversations. And you stop wasting time and energy rehashing your situation with family and friends. You learn that talk doesn't change things and that unrequited wishes can only serve to keep you trapped in the past. So you stop lamenting over what could or should have been and you make a decision to leave the past behind. Then you begin to invest your time and energy to affect positive change. You take a personal inventory of all your strengths and weaknesses and the areas you need to improve in order to move ahead, you set your goals and map out a plan of action to see things through.



You learn that life isn't always fair and you don't always get what you think you deserve, and you stop personalizing every loss or disappointment. You learn to accept that sometimes bad things happen to good people and that these things are not an act of God... but merely a random act of fate.



And you stop looking for guarantees, because you've learned that the only thing you can really count on is the unexpected and that whatever happens, you'll learn to deal with it. And you learn that the only thing you must truly fear is the great robber baron of all time - FEAR itself. So you learn to step right into and through your fears, because to give into fear is to give away the right to live life on your terms. You learn that much of life truly is a self-fulfilling prophesy, and you learn to go after what you want and not to squander your life living under a cloud of indecision, or feelings of impending doom.



Then, YOU LEARN ABOUT MONEY... the personal power and independence it brings and the options it creates. And you recognize the necessity to create your own personal wealth. Slowly, you begin to take responsibility for yourself by yourself and you make yourself a promise to never betray yourself and to never ever settle for less than your heart's desire. And a sense of power is born of self-reliance. And you live with honor and integrity because you know that these principles are not the outdated ideals of a by-gone era but the mortar that holds together the foundation upon which you must build your life. And you make it a point to keep smiling, to keep trusting and to stay open to every wonderful opportunity and exciting possibility. Then you hang a wind chime outside your window to remind yourself what beauty there is in Simplicity.



Finally, with courage in your heart and with God(or whoever) by your side, you take a stand.
You TAKE a deep breath, and you begin to design the life you want to live as best as you can.



.....This,...helped me 10 years ago.

I hope it helps you now.
 
KT this is what I think you need. As much as you have been really supported here I think you would be better supported on the yahoo board, there is a group just for monos.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PolyMono/

I hope saying this doesn't upset anyone but I woke up and read the replies to KT's last message and it struck me like a ton of bricks. She has said over and over again that she is committed to her marriage. You just don't overturn a commitment like that because you are triggered by a conversation in a lunch room. The monos over on the yahoo board get that. They understand that for some monos living in a poly relationship there is an ongoing process of unloading pain. They/we/ I stay in our relationships for a variety of reasons and the reasons don't really matter. What does matter is having a safe place where we can go and say "we feel like crap because...." and someone else says, "yeah I get it I...." and you come away feeling that you are not the only one struggling. The point is not always about being "fixed" but being listened to and understood.

I'm taking you at your words after the big upheaval was resolved for you KT. You are committed to your marriage. You are still going to have times like this when you feel tired and worn out and someone says something that upsets you. But you have chosen so you need to pull up your socks, blow your nose and carry on just like all the rest of us. Remember the payoffs.

And thanks, you've given me an idea for a blog post.
 
KT this is what I think you need. As much as you have been really supported here I think you would be better supported on the yahoo board, there is a group just for monos.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PolyMono/

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Thanks for mentioning that board Sage. I think a different sort of support is at least worth exploring and this truly is a poly heavy forum.
 
Sage-I agree with Mono-it's important that we all accept that as people we all have different needs;
We need to look for places that WILL help us find ways to meet our needs, not just bang our heads on the same damn wall!!
 
Thanks Mono and LR, I always love it when people agree with me ;) but I would never want KT to think that I don't want her to also post here. I'm suddenly nervous about the way this line of the thread might be misconstrued. That was in no way my intention.

Maybe it is just a matter of you KT working out what your intention is from your posts? Do you want empathy or solutions? You've already said you don't want this to be a place to vent. The mono board at yahoo is probably a better place for the empathy because they are a group who accept that in a mono/poly relationship there is inevitably going to be a reasonable amount of pain and share ways to ride through it, rather than trying to eradicate it.

I hope this is in someway helping and not making matters worse.:confused:
 
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