Poly Under Duress

I'd like to open up a discussion thread about the concept of "Poly Under Duress", and anyone who wants to share their own thoughts or stories on the concept.

To start with a burning thought I have (that also inspired this thread): "Poly Under Duress" situations can often lead to an increased likelihood of emotional abuse. Where this abuse comes from can be surprisingly complex. A person who's partner has unilaterally decided they're poly in attempt to cover up cheating. I've seen examples of a partner openly degrading their partner or a metamour due to suppressed resentment. When misunderstood, polyamory can unfortunately be used as a way to hide coercion.

Feel free to respond to that, or with anything else around the concept :)
 
Hello YesThisIsDog242,

There are people on this board that may consider what I have to be poly under duress, reason being that my present partner talked to her husband about poly every week or two for about a year before he finally relented. He did not want poly in the beginning, and some would argue that he didn't really want it in the end either, he just gave in so that his wife would stop nagging him about it. And, he may have suspected that she would divorce him if he didn't consent to poly. I don't exactly know how to respond to all of that, it has been almost 20 years since then and it seems like the three of us get along pretty well, as well as any reasonably happy marriage. He and I are friends. I guess you can draw your own conclusions.

My 2¢,
Kevin T.
 
Hello YesThisIsDog242,

There are people on this board that may consider what I have to be poly under duress, reason being that my present partner talked to her husband about poly every week or two for about a year before he finally relented. He did not want poly in the beginning, and some would argue that he didn't really want it in the end either, he just gave in so that his wife would stop nagging him about it. And, he may have suspected that she would divorce him if he didn't consent to poly. I don't exactly know how to respond to all of that, it has been almost 20 years since then and it seems like the three of us get along pretty well, as well as any reasonably happy marriage. He and I are friends. I guess you can draw your own conclusions.

My 2¢,
Kevin T.
Hi Kevin,

Thanks for the response!

Through reading other's experiences, I've definitely come to realize that transitioning to polyamory often comes with a lot of ethical quandaries and new situations that call for use of empathetic skills.

I actually just read your initial blog post, it was really interesting, and I'm happy you've shared it!

Correct me if I'm wrong about anything regarding your story, but your situation seemed to be pretty complex regarding the power dynamics of the situation. I would argue that that's a case of poly under duress, but you've also seemed to have gone through plenty of hard conversations and conflicts, including changed housing situations, to get it to a point where you're all in a mutually happier situation. I think your story, along with many, can be great to point to when considering how these situations don't have a "one size fits all" path.

Additionally, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm assuming that resources for engaging in ethical polyamory were significantly lower 20 years ago, both regarding poly-friendly therapists, online resources, and local communities. I think it's important to take those things into account when reflecting on situations. It's something I've had to do regarding my own parent's treatment of my childhood anxiety and sexuality.

At the end of the day, I can't think of a single relationship that hasn't had its fair share of growth pains and potentially unhealthy dynamics. I'd be a hypocrite if I said my own haven't had plenty of hiccups along the way. I've gotten a lot of benefit over these types of ethical discussions as I reflect on my own relationships, current and past ones.
 
Hi YesThisIsDog242,

I think you've read my situation pretty accurately, there weren't a lot of resources back in 2005, we just had to figure things out as we went along. I appreciate that you've had your own quandaries, we all have. Things were hard for our V in the early years, but we persevered and the road got smoother.

Regards,
Kevin T.
 
Like Kevin's polycule, we also missed the mark of joyful consent. In our case, the expected hierarchy was broken. I find there is no clear boundary between a fully consensual and an "under duress" poly situation, rather a wide, foggy crossover. The pressure to keep one's lifepartner because of economic inequality, childcare or mental health issues; broken agreements; failings of willpower... all make situations less-then fully consensual. It's hard to find a relationship that has none of these challenges. It's hard as a formerly mono person to be "fully on board" with no remaining doubt at all. People who have been poly all along are rare, and even for them, life circumstances change, or situations occure they'd prefer not to live through.
That's why I don't like or use the term very much, and I think the joyful consent requirement is a little too idealistic. I insist on partners being informed (and hope for basic economic stability) when judging ethics.
 
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Like Kevin's polycule, we also missed the mark of joyful consent. In our case, the expected hierarchy was broken. I find there is no clear boundary between a fully consensual and an "under duress" poly situation, rather a wide, foggy crossover. The pressure to keep one's lifepartner because of economic inequality, childcare or mental health issues; broken agreements; failings of willpower... all make situations less-then fully consensual. It's hard to find a relationship that has none of these challenges. It's hard as a formerly mono person to be "fully on board" with no remaining doubt at all. People who have been poly all along are rare, and even for them, life circumstances change, or situations occure they'd prefer not to live through.
That's why I don't like or use the term very much, and I think the joyful consent requirement is a little too idealistic. I insist on partners being informed (and hope for basic economic stability) when
You’ve made me reflect more on what it means to enthusiastically consent, and have persuaded me!

I think you make a lot of salient points. It makes me wonder if enthusiastic consent was initially transferred from how it’s used in sex, and I’m realizing how little it makes sense in this context.

A key component of consent in sex is that it can be retracted at any time, and past expressions of consent should (with very few exceptions) not be used as a way to try to assume their feelings later.

I don’t think it’s technically possible to consent in the same manner when poly relationships take course over such a long period of time.

Additionally, how much consent is warranted when it’s a relationship between two other people? Or is it more about your own right to feel valued and respected in your own relationships? Lots of questions.

That all being said, I think there’s still value in the term “poly under duress”. I have seen poly situations where the hesitant partner is given very little time or care at all before they’re thrust into the world of polyamory. It’s definitely something that needs some modicum of patience if someone really wants to make the transition most likely to be successful.
 
You’ve made me reflect more on what it means to enthusiastically consent, and have persuaded me!

I think you make a lot of salient points. It makes me wonder if enthusiastic consent was initially transferred from how it’s used in sex, and I’m realizing how little it makes sense in this context.

A key component of consent in sex is that it can be retracted at any time, and past expressions of consent should (with very few exceptions) not be used as a way to try to assume their feelings later.

I don’t think it’s technically possible to consent in the same manner when poly relationships take course over such a long period of time.

Additionally, how much consent is warranted when it’s a relationship between two other people? Or is it more about your own right to feel valued and respected in your own relationships? Lots of questions.

That all being said, I think there’s still value in the term “poly under duress”. I have seen poly situations where the hesitant partner is given very little time or care at all before they’re thrust into the world of polyamory. It’s definitely something that needs some modicum of patience if someone really wants to make the transition most likely to be successful.
I'm not sure how poly under duress makes any sense. Unless it's some DV situation (which is illegal), I... I mean, say someone cheated and now wants polyamory or bust. Sure, there's the unethical part of cheating... So scratch that. Someone went to a desert and meditated for 40 days and now wants poly or bust. Is the uncompromising attitude a duress?

Wait, they bring 89% of income. Is it now duress? Is it unethical?

Okay, but would straight divorce be unethical in that situation? Where's the difference?

What's the difference: I will divorce you if you don't do that particular thing, compared to: I'll divorce you if we don't make our marriage poly.

Is the duress because the thing might be bad? Unethical?

But, aren't people also advocating that relationship isn't an obligation, but you can have your preferences?

What's coercion in practice?

If I want dishwashing to be split, I am coercive? What if I don't work and my partner does? Is wanting to do zero dishes coercive? No dishes or bust, marriage under duress?

I think the framework only makes sense if there's a domestic violence situation. Yeah, I know it's also something with an unclean definition, and often DV is mutual, but well, it's better than saying, "I will have to work/I will lose my relationship" is duress.
 
It makes me wonder if enthusiastic consent was initially transferred from how it’s used in sex, and I’m realizing how little it makes sense in this context.

A key component of consent in sex is that it can be retracted at any time, and past expressions of consent should (with very few exceptions) not be used as a way to try to assume their feelings later.

I don’t think it’s technically possible to consent in the same manner when poly relationships take course over such a long period of time.
Thank you, this is an interesting point I haven't thought about - one-time vs. long-term consent.
That all being said, I think there’s still value in the term “poly under duress”. I have seen poly situations where the hesitant partner is given very little time or care at all before they’re thrust into the world of polyamory. It’s definitely something that needs some modicum of patience if someone really wants to make the transition most likely to be successful.
I agree. It's not like there isn't a far end of the scale that almost everyone would call "under duress". It's just that the crossover between "joyful" and "forced" is way more blurry than we'd like to think.
 
There are some days when I feel like I am in a poly relationship that is "under duress". My husband is poly, I am not. He has chosen to have one of his other partners live with us and several others will visit for a few days at a time. The relationships between my metamours and I span the spectrum from joyful consent to merely polite.
Yes, there was consent (sort of) at one time..... but is that consent forever? Interesting thoughts to ponder.
 
I'm not sure how poly under duress makes any sense. Unless it's some DV situation (which is illegal)... I mean, say someone cheated and now wants polyamory or bust. Sure, there's the unethical part of cheating... So scratch that. Someone went to a desert and meditated for 40 days, and now wants poly or bust. Is the uncompromising attitude a duress?

Wait, they bring 89% of income. Is it now duress? Is it unethical?

Okay, but would straight divorce be unethical in that situation? Where's the difference?

What's the difference: I will divorce you if you don't do that particular thing, compared to: I'll divorce you if we don't make our marriage poly.

Is the duress because the thing might be bad? Unethical?

But, aren't people also advocating that relationship isn't an obligation, but you can have your preferences?

What's coercion in practice?

If I want dishwashing to be split, I am coercive? What if I don't work and my partner does? Is wanting to do zero dishes coercive? No dishes or bust, marriage under duress?

I think the framework only makes sense if there's a domestic violence situation. Yeah, I know it's also something with unclean definition, and often DV is mutual, but well, it's better than saying, "I will have to work/I will lose my relationship" is duress.
It definitely gets quite complex when we bring in different power dynamics. This is where I really appreciate the concept of "intersectionality", where multiple identities and situations can influence one another.

I think "poly under duress" inherently means that one or both people are not wanting polyamory, but are doing so because of some other factor.

In an ideal relationship (to me), each conflict gets resolved with both people feeling heard, valued, and like the resolution addresses their concerns. What you bring up a lot in your post are ultimatums, which I would argue do have a coercion element to them. From what I've read, most counselors strongly advise against doing them, as they often also just don't really work and can quickly lead to resentment or a communication breakdown.

From what I’ve read, the key to ethical transition to polyamory is:
- Telling your partner about your interest before you act on your desires
- Being open to hearing their concerns, and being willing to have conversations about what this will mean for your relationship.
- Educating yourself on polyamory, preferably together
- If polyamory is a necessity for you, openly voicing that and discussing ways to respectfully separate if your partner isn’t open to the transition.
- If it isn’t, being open to other potential solutions for your needs

Of course, most poly transitions likely don’t hit all of these, but I believe it’s valuable to have it as a guiding point, and to show what can improve,

I also want to acknowledge, “Mono under duress” is also a thing. Poly people can and have been the ones to stay in a relationship contract they’re unhappy with. At the end of the day, it’s all about if each person feels like they have agency in the relationship, and the ability to leave if they don’t.
 
It definitely gets quite complex when we bring in different power dynamics. This is where I really appreciate the concept of "intersectionality", where multiple identities and situations can influence one another.

I think "poly under duress" inherently means that one or both people are not wanting polyamory, but are doing so because of some other factor.

In an ideal relationship (to me), each conflict gets resolved with both people feeling heard, valued, and like the resolution addresses their concerns. What you bring up a lot in your post are ultimatums, which I would argue do have a coercion element to them. From what I've read, most counselors strongly advise against doing them, as they often also just don't really work and can quickly lead to resentment or a communication breakdown.

From what I’ve read, the key to ethical transition to polyamory is:
- Telling your partner about your interest before you act on your desires
- Being open to hearing their concerns, and being willing to have conversations about what this will mean for your relationship.
- Educating yourself on polyamory, preferably together
- If polyamory is a necessity for you, openly voicing that and discussing ways to respectfully separate if your partner isn’t open to the transition.
- If it isn’t, being open to other potential solutions for your needs

Of course, most poly transitions likely don’t hit all of these, but I believe it’s valuable to have it as a guiding point, and to show what can improve,

I also want to acknowledge, “Mono under duress” is also a thing. Poly people can and have been the ones to stay in a relationship contract they’re unhappy with. At the end of the day, it’s all about if each person feels like they have agency in the relationship, and the ability to leave if they don’t.
I'm wary of applying population-scale concepts like intersectionality to individuals.

I think *some other factor* hides a lot. What does it mean that they don't want polyamory? Does it mean they prefer monogamy?

Okay, let's take it apart. So--

A) I'd prefer that my partner not have other partners, but nevertheless, I've decided that I will be in relationship with them even if they do that.

Is that poly under duress?

B) I'd prefer my partner to have children with me, but nevertheless, I've decided that I will be in a relationship with them even if they've had a vasectomy.

Is that monogamy under duress?

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying it's unimportant. Both of the above are very serious, and can indeed make for a tragic story, especially if otherwise the people involved are strongly drawn to each other. But there's no victimizing, and that's why I don't like the term when it's used outside of an actual DV situation.

Moving on-- sure, I agree that attention, generosity, honesty, flexibility, compassion, etc., are important. But when it comes to practice, not every incompatibility has an easy compromise. The two above examples are good examples of that, too. There's some space, but it's usually just a sacrifice on one part, or a serious change, not simply finding a solution, and no amount of hearing and valuing is going to change that (although it'd be beneficial in a multitude of other ways).

As for ultimatums, I don't really agree in practice. But let me explain first: I agree ultimatums are a nuclear option. They should never be the first step. You need to explain what you want, why and how, and talk about it. Maybe there's a solution or compassion/empathy from your partner. An ultimatum just skips all this.

But in the end, an ultimatum is just a nastily-named hard boundary. So I skipped all the above in my post and went straight to the situation where talking and compromise failed to find a solution. What then? Either a sacrifice or a breakup. Is that an ultimatum, or incompatibility? I don't know. I'd say it's simply a reality of incompatible desires and personalities, whatever you call them, while we put aside how were they communicated. (And we agree phrasing it as an ultimatum from the get-go is not good, not practical, and a bad sign in itself.)

So, practice: reading your list, absolutely. The *receiving* partner has a monumental task, so an explanation and time are needed. IMO, most important is the explanation of the poly person's emotional structure, plus time to experience it in practice, so the mono side sees it at work and can experience their emotions in that context. (In practice, that means seeing, say, conversation between partner and meta that's visibly close and emotional, and experiencing that the consequences of that that are contrary to what the jealousy-based fears are saying.)

The list you made is basically that so there isn't much disagreement here. To reiterate, I just cut that part when I was writing "polyamory or bust" above. That's the reality (it wasn't mean as a literally-spoken question) of a failed attempt to transform into happy mono-poly, or even just poly.

I've heard most mono into poly are at least hard, and don't work, though it's not my personal experience (one mono into mono-poly and one mono-poly into just poly).

Let me ask a question at the end: can you give some practical examples of both poly and mono under duress? Specifically relating to your last paragraph.
 
There are some days when I feel like I am in a poly relationship that is "under duress". My husband is poly, I am not. He has chosen to have one of his other partners live with us and several others will visit for a few days at a time. The relationships between my metamours and I span the spectrum from joyful consent to merely polite.
Yes, there was consent (sort of) at one time..... but is that consent forever? Interesting thoughts to ponder.
Consent is never forever, it's continual thing. Even contracts in business cannot be, legally (afaik). You just have consequences from withdrawing. Just like in relationships.

As for your relationship, didn't you have a say in that living together and those visits? I mean, typically people in all living arrangements have input on this.
 
I'm wary of applying population scale concepts like intersectionality to individuals.

I think *some other factor* hides a lot. What does it mean they don't want polyamory? Does it mean they prefer monogamy?

Okay let's take it apart. So

A) I prefer that my partner is not having other partners but nevertheless I decide I will be in relationship with them even if they do that.

Is that poly under duress?

B) I prefer my partner to have children but nevertheless I decide I will be in relationship withem even if they did a vasectomy.

Is that monogamy under duress?

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying it's unimportant. Both of the above are very serious, and can indeed make for a tragic story, especially if otherwise the people involved are strongly drawn to each other.

But there's no victimizing and that's why I don't like the term when it's used outside of actual DV situation.

Moving on-- sure, I agree that attention, generosity, honesty, flexibility, compassion, etc., are important. But when it comes to practice, not every incompatibility has an easy compromise. The two above examples are good examples of that, too. There's some space, but it's usually just a sacrifice on one part, or a serious change, not simply finding a solution, and no amount of hearing and valuing is going to change that (although it'd be beneficial in multitude of other ways).

As for ultimatums I don't really agree in practice. But let me explain first: I agree ultimatums are nuclear option. They should never be first step, you need to explain what you want, why, how, and talk and maybe there's a solution or compassion/empathy from your partner. Ultimatum just skips all this.

But in the end an ultimatum is just a nastily named hard boundary. So I skipped all the above in my post and went straight to the situation where talking and compromise failed to find a solution. What then? Either a sacrifice or break up. Is that an ultimatum, or incompatibility? I don't know, I'd say it's simply a reality of incompatible desires and personalities, whatever you call them, while we put aside how were they communicated (and we agree phrasing it as an ultimatum from the get go is not good, not practical, and a bad sign in itself).

So, practice: reading your list, absolutely. The *receiving* partner has a monumental task so explanation, time. Imo, most important is explanation of the poly person side emotional structure plus time to experience it in practice, so the mono side sees it at work and can experience their emotions in that context (in practice, that means seeing, say, conversation between partner and meta that's visibly close and emotional and experiencing consequences of that that are contrary to what jealousy based fears are saying). And the list you made is basically that so there isn't much of disagreement here. To reiterate, I just cut that part when I was writing "polyamory or bust" thing above, that's the reality (it wasn't mean as literally spoken question) of a failed attempts to transform into happy mono-poly (or even just poly).

I heard most mono into poly are at least hard, and don't work, though it's not my personal experience (one mono into mono-poly and one mono-poly into just poly).

Let me ask a question at the end: can you give some practical examples of both poly and mono under duress? Specifically relating to your last paragraph.
For poly under duress, practical examples I can think of are:
- The person initially interested in poly has already formed romantic/sexual relationships outside of their monogamous relationship. Basically, they're more informing their partner of the current situation, and it's now on the receiving partner to handle both the emotional impact of being cheated on and learning about polyamory for what's often the first time.
- For a situation that doesn't involve previous cheating, I would say if the partner in question is noticeably dependent on the continuance of the relationship for meeting an important need in their life. This could be access to healthcare, sharing custody of children or pets, limited housing alternatives, lack of financial independence, or lack of a support network outside of your relationship.
- A partner who is prone to lying to themselves. Many people (me being one of them) can have histories of not advocating for their true feelings due to fear of abandonment or retribution. This tends to lead to a shit ton of, often unconscious, non-verbal cues that signal that they are in significant distress without verbally owning up to it. It's a self-sabotaging behavior that can be sometimes exploited under the guise of, "Well, they SAID it was fine." On the other hand, it's also a way to protect oneself from being held accountable for your true feelings, which is what I was thinking of when I brought up the example of "Person degrades partner or metamour while continuing to say they're cool with it."

For mono under duress:
- Polyamory is definitely still not a widely-accepted relationship dynamic. I can imagine a partner threatening to out the partner to their social network and get them ostracized, or accuse them of cheating as a way to discourage the poly person from leaving a monogamous dynamic.
- A real-life example I remember reading, a person desperately wanted to be poly. However, every time that she introduced her desires to her partner, he had a panic attack and would refuse to engage. This happened for years. It reminds me of the common situation where a partner guilts another to stay by saying they'll die or having nothing without them.

The key here, and I hope I can say this in a way that discourages whatabout-isms, is that one of the partners is significantly unhappy with the relationship dynamic, yet does not act to promote meaningful change. WHY they do not act is usually because of some type of pressure similar (but not limited to) the ones stated above. This pressure does not have to come from the other partner, but it still definitely can. It does not mean either partner is a morally corrupt person. Hell, there's many times where a person who initially wanted poly wants to revert to monogamy, and the other partner wants to continue exploring it. A common saying I've heard is that transitions to non-monogamy tend to show cracks in a relationship that were already there. "Poly under duress" is just one concept that can be used as a way to highlight/discuss these situations. There does not have to be a helpless victim for these types of things to occur. It's arguably impossible for a partnership to be perfectly 50/50 in every possible power dynamic, but addressing inequities is still important.

I want to acknowledge my stance, I don't say any of this with a desire to moralize the people involved in these situations. I mainly opened this thread to discuss different dynamics that can lead to unhealthy situations. There are many, many reasons why people engage in behaviors that are arguably unethical. Someone who's the target of an injustice can quickly turn around and enact one themselves in the next breath. It does not make them a villain, but it's important to still talk openly about the potential long-term consequences of these behaviors/dynamics, and what are alternatives that could get someone to meet their needs without unnecessary harm.

I don't consider ultimatums to be an inherent sign of moral failing. They're often a Hail-Mary in a long line of requests not being taken seriously. However, they still just don't work most of the time because they're not a sustainable way to advocate for needs in a relationship. And I do want to acknowledge that they can occasionally be used as a recurring tactic for coercing a partner into doing something you want them to do.

You talk about times where a partner doesn't care that strongly one way or another. The only time I've seen this occur is in "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" situations which are generally discouraged among experienced poly people. I would also argue that it can often be the case that DADT is a strategy for emotionally distancing yourself from a potentially stressful topic. Regarding polyamory specifically, having multiple partners often requires the hinge to be open about potential conflicts in addressing needs, and I'd find it rare that those conflicts don't spur significant emotions.

For many of these situations, there is not a person that is completely at fault. It wouldn't be a relationship without two people engaging in it. It often takes courage to acknowledge that something isn't working and needs to be addressed, or build ways to leave if it can't be safely addressed.

Also, could you tell me more about your wariness with using intersectionality? I tend to be the exact opposite, as I found it's a very helpful tool for empathizing with others situations, or even reflecting on my own. I've also seen many social justice activists use it in their own writings to reflect on how their personal life influences their activism. This is one example I can think of:
 
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There are some days when I feel like I am in a poly relationship that is "under duress". My husband is poly, I am not. He has chosen to have one of his other partners live with us and several others will visit for a few days at a time. The relationships between my metamours and I span the spectrum from joyful consent to merely polite.
Yes, there was consent (sort of) at one time..... but is that consent forever? Interesting thoughts to ponder.
I hold the consent to have someone enter your home as more fundamental than the consent to poly, so the formulation "he has chosen" in this context is indeed alarming to me.
 
My understanding of what it means to be polyamorous is much more a personal experience than it is a definition of a relationship structure. My divorce (heh) from traditional marriage and monogamy had everything to do with how I didn't feel like I fit within such rigid structures. Up until very recently, I would have defined myself as poly, even though I had only even been in monogamous relationships. In fact, I have a couple friends who are in this very situation, having chosen for whatever reason that putting on a monogamous hat with this particular person was worth doing.
Would this be defined as "monogamous under duress?" If they identify as poly, and would prefer to be poly, would that not at least qualify as "with complaint?"

The consent topic is interesting, specifically as we all learn how tricky even that simple concept becomes when applied to situations that will inevitably change over time. This is why divorce is such an important human right: people need to be allowed to change their minds. If someone isn't happy in a marriage, but being allowed to date outside it would then allow them to be happy in it, that's not duress: that spouse has every right to decide if they would prefer divorce over being unhappy.

I don't think being poly is going to increase the likelihood that you end up in a relationship "under duress." My parents stayed together "for the kids" and it showed. I'd say they were both "under duress" far more than a guy who would rather share his wife than lose her.
 
My understanding of what it means to be polyamorous is much more a personal experience than it is a definition of a relationship structure. My divorce (heh) from traditional marriage and monogamy had everything to do with how I didn't feel like I fit within such rigid structures. Up until very recently, I would have defined myself as poly, even though I had only even been in monogamous relationships. In fact, I have a couple friends who are in this very situation, having chosen for whatever reason that putting on a monogamous hat with this particular person was worth doing.
Would this be defined as "monogamous under duress?" If they identify as poly, and would prefer to be poly, would that not at least qualify as "with complaint?"

The consent topic is interesting, specifically as we all learn how tricky even that simple concept becomes when applied to situations that will inevitably change over time. This is why divorce is such an important human right: people need to be allowed to change their minds. If someone isn't happy in a marriage, but being allowed to date outside it would then allow them to be happy in it, that's not duress: that spouse has every right to decide if they would prefer divorce over being unhappy.

I don't think being poly is going to increase the likelihood that you end up in a relationship "under duress." My parents stayed together "for the kids" and it showed. I'd say they were both "under duress" far more than a guy who would rather share his wife than lose her.
Interesting points! It makes me wonder if the term "poly under duress" is more common due to the fact that most of us live in areas where monogamy is the default, and practically only option. I've found most examples of "duress" being a possibility is when significant relationship dynamic shifts occur between two people who are entwined not just emotionally, but also logistically.

Traditional monogamy definitely comes with a lot of ways that it makes it very difficult to leave. Divorce laws have gotten a bit better, but it still tends to be an exhausting and expensive process. I've appreciated seeing that pre-nups have become more accepted and commonly-used.

Regarding your friends, I'm not sure! I guess it depends on their individual reasons for engaging in a monogamous relationship. We have a lot of societal pressure to be monogamous, but I could also see someone being open to having multiple romantic relationships without it being a necessity to get their needs met.
 
Consent is never forever, it's continual thing. Even contracts in business cannot be, legally (afaik), you just have consequences from withdrawing.

Just like in relationships.

As for your relationship, didn't you have a say in that living and visiting? I mean typically people in all living arrangements have input in this.
Sorry it took a while to get back to here.

My metamour was staying with my partner (before we married) due to a housing crisis that she had. It was supposed to be temporary. I agreed at the time that she should stay, never thinking that it would become permanent. This was in 2019-2020

However, with Covid and all that fallout and the fact that my partner fell in love with her, he never asked her to find other housing. He and I married as planned, in 2023.

With some wishful thinking on the part of my husband he thought that we would "learn to love each other". It hasn't happened.
 
Sorry it took a while to get back to here.

My metamour was staying with my partner (before we married) due to a housing crisis that she had. It was supposed to be temporary. I agreed at the time that she should stay, never thinking that it would become permanent. This was in 2019-2020

However, with Covid and all that fallout and the fact that my partner fell in love with her, he never asked her to find other housing. He and I married as planned, in 2023.

With some wishful thinking on the part of my husband he thought that we would "learn to love each other". It hasn't happened.
If you don't mind me asking, how has the housing situation impacted you? I could see how something that was meant to be temporary but is now going on 6 years could be very taxing. Especially if the change in expectations wasn't explicit. (was it?)
 
This thread petered out, but in reading older threads, I found one on coercion in polyamory that might add more useful input, opinions, feedback, advice.

"Recovering from coerced non-monogamy"

Did not expect the wife to come in guns blazing 😭

Thanks for the link!

It’s interesting reading people’s thoughts on coercion at the time. I think a part of coercion I didn’t see discussed in that thread is that coercion can also involve restricting the parameters of the choices.

Like the choice that often causes relationship dynamic coercion is “fully and immediately accept what I presented to you, or get out.” It really lives little room for things like negotiation and processing difficult and complex emotions.

A very insidious part of this is that by the time the “choice” is presented , the presenting partner has likely already broken several boundaries that their partner is finding out in the same conversation that they’re asked to make a significant decision about the relationship dynamic. Hell, it’s very common with these type of things that it takes a significant amount of time and many conversations to get everything out on the table.

I think a key part of this discussion when relating to bodily autonomy is: your partner is allowed to do what they want. But you also deserve to know what relationship dynamic you are engaging in, and that your partner will respect the very difficult process of breaking apart if it comes to that. This is partially why obfuscation is such a blight on relationships.

Also, interestingly, I think I initially assumed that coerced non-monogamy was synonymous with poly under duress, but I think my current understand is that an attempt at coerced non-monogamy just often *leads* to poly under duress.
 
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