My wife's boyfriend?

princeofcats

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I've recently found out my wife has an online boyfriend. l'm okay with it all, but how do I tell her I'm okay with her relationship without telling her how I found out? She was in a poly relationship when she was younger.
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Morality, like art, means drawing a line someplace. --Oscar Wilde
 
Well, at the point where you say "without," you presume it's okay to lie by omission in a relationship. From experience, I would say that does not bode well for your relationship.

For your basic question, try, "Honey, I found out about Joe Blow, and I thought it important to let you know that I love you enough that I would prefer we both be radically honest with one another, so I could tell you that this is not an issue for me, over you feeling you must keep secrets from me."
 
I think the pure honest approach is the best. Admit how you found out and say that you are okay with her having a bf.

A second option would just to bring up the subject of polyamory and ask her what she thinks about it. See if that leads anywhere.

A third (and most evasive) option would be to ask the hypothetical question, "What would she do if she found out you had an online gf?"

Good luck.
 
Well, she already believes I am having an affair with a coworker. She sees it as an emotional affair. She told me that he doesn’t think I really love her but I do have a connection with this person. But if I hand the same relationship with a man it would be ok, on most parts.
 
It sounds like you two need a heart-to-heart discussion on your relationship, satisfaction, and desires for more. It sounds like she is justifying her online relationship to herself by convincing herself that you're outside the marital bounds, as well. Frankly, you both appear to desire a somewhat more open marriage. If you're cool with it, maybe she is too. But you need a VERY strong foundation to build from! And that starts with you two being COMPLETELY honest with one another, because it only gets more complicated. LOL Just be yourself and be honest. She loves you and married you for a reason.
 
I've spoke to my wife about my coworker. I told her I felt she was being posessive, as opposed to being jealous. Jealousy is wanting something someone else has. Posession is not wanting anyone to have what you have. She fears someone will steal me away. Any thoughts about this topic?
 
Sure. Why does she fear that? Is there something inside her that makes her feel like she isn't worthy in some way or another, for some reason or another? Otherwise, she wouldn't be afraid someone could take you away.

That's question one, and without that, there's no resolving the issue.
 
I've sent her an email telling her it's okay to have a boyfriend.

Wish me luck.

Thanks, everyone.
 
I've spoke to my wife about my coworker. I told her I felt she was being posessive, as opposed to being jealous. Jealousy is wanting something someone else has. Posession is not wanting anyone to have what you have. She fears someone will steal me away. Any thoughts about this topic?

Just to toss in another perspective, our views are very different:

Jealousy is "wanting something that is rightfully yours, but has been taken by another, or has been given to another."

Envy--or coveting--is "wanting something that is not rightfully yours, but you want nonetheless."

Possessiveness is "selfish desire not to share what you have--whether rightfully yours or not--with anyone else."
 
Just to toss in another perspective, our views are very different:

Jealousy is "wanting something that is rightfully yours, but has been taken by another, or has been given to another."

Envy--or coveting--is "wanting something that is not rightfully yours, but you want nonetheless."

Possessiveness is "selfish desire not to share what you have--whether rightfully yours or not--with anyone else."

Just a quick dictionary.com check and I found:

Jealous
4. Inclined to or troubled by suspicions or fears of rivalry

Jealousy
1. Jealous resentment against a rival, a person enjoying success or advantage, etc., or against another's success or advantage itself.

Envy
1. A feeling of discontent or covetousness with regard to another's advantages, success, possessions, etc.

Possessiveness
1. Jealously opposed to the personal independence of, or to any influence other than one's own upon spouse.

I think my wife doesn't want me to be influenced away from her by another woman. This would fall into the possessive category.

I heard it explained this way by Kidder Kapper. It enlightened me on the concept.

Prince of Cats
 
As we said, it's another perspective. We're not real fans of the way language has changed over the years to dissolve the real differences in concepts between the two terms.

We stand by our view of things. :)
 
As we said, it's another perspective. We're not real fans of the way language has changed over the years to dissolve the real differences in concepts between the two terms. We stand by our view of things.

I'll bite. Tell me your views, so I can understand, because all of it is fairly new to us, anyway! :)
 
Just to toss in another perspective, our views are very different:

Jealousy is "wanting something that is rightfully yours, but has been taken by another, or has been given to another."

Envy--or coveting--is "wanting something that is not rightfully yours, but you want nonetheless."

Possessiveness is "selfish desire not to share what you have--whether rightfully yours or not--with anyone else."


I'm noticing the running theme of "rightfully yours". Could you define what that means in this context?
 
I'm noticing the running theme of "rightfully yours." Could you define what that means in this context?

If something is "rightfully yours" then it's something that you either "own" or have been "given."

Bex and I have "given" each other our lives, our love, our sexuality, our sensuality, our friendship, etc., wrapped up in a relationship and defined in very specific ways. Either of us can justifiably experience "jealousy" whenever one or the other gives to someone outside our relationship anything that is defined as "ours" within the relationship.

So, for instance, penile penetration is something that we have defined as requiring a committed relationship. If Ben goes out and starts up a relationship with another woman and gives her penile penetration, Bex can be legitimately jealous, because we have defined that as something that happens only within a committed relationship that we have both agreed to.

If Ben desires to be with another woman who is married, and her marriage relationship does not allow for her to freely give her sexuality to another, then he would be "envious" of her (he has no "rights" to her).

Envy could also be defined as seeing his buddy's awesome custom Harley and wanting *that specific Harley*. That specific Harley is not Ben's and he has no rights to it whatsoever. So, that would be envy.

If Ben took his buddy's Harley, and his buddy wanted it back, his buddy would "jealous" that Ben had his Harley (presuming that Ben took it unlawfully). If Ben paid his buddy for it, and his buddy wanted it back, then his buddy would be envious, because he no longer has rights to it.

In our faith, God has the right to be jealous of any worship of any other thing than Him, because all worship is rightfully His, since he created us to worship Him. He does not demand our entire love and affection, and freely gives us the right to love one another (in fact, He commands it). But our worship is His and His alone. Thus, "Our God is a jealous God" implies no sin on His part, because our worship is his right, and when given to another, He is rightfully jealous of whatever has stolen what is His right.

Does that help you understand our perspective?

We think it applies quite well to polyamorous relationships, because how you define your relationship helps to define whether you are envious (having no right to lay claim to something), or jealous (having every right to lay claim to something).

If you say your spouse is "free to love another," but then you feel those tugs of stress over it, you're feeling envy, not jealousy. If you have defined it as a particular set of circumstances (only on alternate weekends, and only oral pleasure), and they step beyond those rules (weekdays and/or penile penetration), then you have the right to be jealous of something that was yours and taken from you.
 
I don't know if I agree with all of your views, but you did a magnificent job of explaining it, and I greatly appreciate it. Much food for thought. I am going to tell Maca to read your post. Thank you. :D
 
As we said, it's another perspective. We're not real fans of the way language has changed over the years to dissolve the real differences in concepts between the two terms.

One of the things I love about language is its ability to grow and evolve with the societies that it inhabits. Even the biblical definitions you cite have been translated and retranslated from cultures that are very foreign to ours. That's what interpretation is for. It's how we find the way to attach ideas to words in ways that are relevant and can be understood in the context of the society that uses them. So for me, it's only natural that definitions for things such as envy and jealousy evolve to be more relevant to the people that use them

We think it applies quite well to polyamorous relationships, because how you define your relationship helps to define whether you are envious (having no right to lay claim to something), or jealous (having every right to lay claim to something).


I can't apply the definitions you use to polyamory, because I don't view another person or their love as something that I lay claim to, or something that is rightfully mine. For me, love falls under the category of grace. Grace is neither deserved, nor rightfully belongs to anyone. It's simply there to be appreciated and treasured. For me, the love I have for a partner, or receive from a partner, is not a possession for me to hold, but a grace for me to appreciate every day.
 
For me, love falls under the category of grace. Grace is neither deserved, nor rightfully belongs to anyone. It's simply there to be appreciated and treasured. For me, the love I have for a partner, or receive from a partner, is not a possession for me to hold, but a grace for me to appreciate every day.

That's just cool! I like it.
 
I did have a talk with my wife. It went horribly, but as of now we are okay. I guess it's insecurity. I know that if some other guy steals her away, then she has changed as a person and is no longer the woman I'm in a relationship with.

God love her, though. I know I do.

I like that there is an ongoing conversation about the jealousy/possessiveness thing. It makes you think about what is going on or not going on in your relationships.

Thanks to everyone.:D
 
Last night my wife and I spoke honestly again about this situation we are going through. She has asked me to think about what we would want our marriage to be like. I would love for her to date other men. I would love to woo other women. But other than kissing and holding hands, I don't think sex is something we are willing to discuss at this point.

Baby steps. She is opening up to the idea. It's scary and exciting. My palms are sweating, my heart is racing and . . . and. . . and I need food.

Prince of Cats
 
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