A young man in need of advice

BuckDharma

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Hello! I have found myself at a crossroads, and I have come as far as I can without some outside input. I am in the younger part of my 20's and I am currently living with a girlfriend of 2 1/2 years who is older than me by a few years.

We are both individuals who I would call emotionally scarred. She had a rough childhood complicated by parental deaths in addition to multiple severe lifelong health conditions. I on the other hand had a relatively quiet childhood marked by an increasing disregard for society and culture. It got to the point to where after high school I plunged myself into a world of violence and drugs for several years until I hit that line past rock bottom. I managed to pull myself together and recover from major addiction issues without rehab. Most of her problems are by fate and all of mine are by choice.

Needless to say, we have serious communication issues. She has a hard time trusting anyone due to abandonment issues caused by death, and I have an incredibly hard time opening up to anyone about my dark side, the side that ruled me through many of my formative years.

We met through work and and have been as thick as thieves ever since. We have always been able to push through issues and we rarely fight. She has taught me alot and has helped guide me through alot of the obstacles I have made for myself. I have tried to put her needs above mine at all times out of a sense of guilt over my history and a sense of sorrow and shame over her situation and how much better off i was during her hard times. This has led to me breaking into occasional bouts of depression over time.

I realized about a year into our relationship that these depressive spells were stemming from a lack of 'venting' so to speak of my past and that it would only get worse. I felt then and I still feel now that opening up to her about myself would only do more harm than good; she is still in such a precarious state that i fear it would push her into ruin knowing what i used to be. I begin to think that I need someone else I can open up to, someone close emotionally, but immune to the disgust I feel i raise among people

Fast forward a half a year and through another job I meet a woman. A woman that shares many of the same interests that I do and struggles with a lot of the same emotional problems that I have. We develop a platonic friendship. (At this point I feel it is very important to clarify that both my girlfriend and I are VERY sexual people, although my tastes tend towards a much kinkier side) Our relationship existed primarily through text and ultimately began to include sexting once we discussed our mutual tastes. We eventually become very close, opening up about many secrets.

My girlfriend asks me point blank about this relationship and I am honest with her. This is on the eve of a week long out of state business trip of hers. We talk about a lot of things before she goes and I feel we have the most honest discussion we have had about our emotions in a long time. She leaves, still furious and I am left at home, feeling ashamed again. She ultimately softens over the week, starts telling me she loves me again, and acts like she wants to work things out.

I am at a crossroads. I personally don't feel like I could live without either of these women. I love them both and I feel that they both love me. My question is: could polyamory exist in this situation? And, if so, what is the best way of initiating it?

Thank you for reading this far, and thank you even more for any advice, comments, and (constructive) criticism you can offer!
 
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It sounds like you have a stormy, passionate sexualromantic relationship with one woman, and a strong friendship with the other. That is not polyamory as I see it. Everybody needs friends.
 
It sounds like you have a stormy, passionate sexualromantic relationship with one woman, and a strong friendship with the other. That is not polyamory as I see it. Everybody needs friends.

Yes they do, but few monogamous partners are able to stomach their lover sharing things about themselves to members of the opposite sex (assuming hetero) that they won't share with their long time partner. Unfortunately she sees this as emotional cheating. Judging by the turbulent nature of your relationship I see little to no chance of poly working here. You both have trust and intimacy issues with one another and you really have no idea that this other woman is interested in such a relationship.
 
I love them both and I feel that they both love me. My question is: could polyamory exist in this situation? And, if so, what is the best way of initiating it?

It could work, but it won't be easy. You and your girlfriend are going to have some big challenges.

The biggest issue is going to be the "Act now, talk later" way you initiated this. You basically cheated on her. For a relationship that already has trust issues, that's not going to help any. If you're serious about this, it's probably worth breaking off the other relationship and telling your girlfriend about it. Then explain how you feel and see where you guys can go from there.

She'll need time to get over the shock and then to learn about polyamory and to decide if it's something she'd like to get involved with.

You're right about the need for good communication, and it might be worth exploring some of the more formal methods like NVC (Nonviolent Communication), which can help you learn to restructure the way you express yourself into needs and feelings.
 
It could work, but it won't be easy. You and your girlfriend are going to have some big challenges.

The biggest issue is going to be the "Act now, talk later" way you initiated this. You basically cheated on her. For a relationship that already has trust issues, that's not going to help any.

I disagree with that. He said they are platonic. He did share some of his past with her but I don't consider that cheating.
 
I disagree with that. He said they are platonic. He did share some of his past with her but I don't consider that cheating.

It sounds like cheating to me. They were sexting, as well as the two of them having what seems to be an emotional affair (I mean, he says they're in love).

I agree with Scrondinger's Cat. It does sound like polyamory could be used to describe the situation, but going into polyamory after cheating is incredibly difficult. From what I've read in past posts, usually the person who cheated cuts off everything with the other partner in order to repair the first relationship - at least that's what has the highest success likelihood. "Adding" people to an already tumultuous relationship can blow up quite terribly...
 
I'm also not sure if I would describe this as polyamory.

Do you want to have multiple loving (and probably sexual) relationships with these women?

If you and your girlfriend were having the kinkier sex that you mentioned being into, would you still be interested in the other woman in a sexual/romantic way?

Do you have any friends?

Also, do you know if either of these women would have any interest in polyamory? Not that that would change what you want/need, but it'd be a helpful thing for you to know, if you decide that you do want to try living polyamorously.

Based off of what you said, I would look at therapy for yourself, therapy for your girlfriend, and couples therapy before I would look at polyamory for answers.

And I think your best way of initiating anything would be for you to work on yourself first. It sounds like you need more people to talk to, and someone to help you out with coping mechanisms for your guilt about your dark side, your perceived disgust that people would have knowing about where you've been, and your feelings about girlfriend's rough start on life.
 
Hi BuckDharma,

Re (from OP):
"I personally don't feel like I could live without either of these women. I love them both and I feel that they both love me. My question is: Could polyamory exist in this situation? and, if so, what is the best way of initiating it?"

It sounds like you want to know how to keep both women in your life. I think the only ethical way to do that would be to tell both of them that that's what you want. You'll have to ask them for their consent with your hat in your hand. Unfortunately, it's not guaranteed to work. But consider that polyamory is defined as existing with the full knowledge and consent of all the adults in the poly group.

Sorry there's no easy answers here ... :(
 
Yes they do, but few monogamous partners are able to stomach their lover sharing things about themselves to members of the opposite sex (assuming hetero) that they won't share with their long time partner. Unfortunately she sees this as emotional cheating. Judging by the turbulent nature of your relationship I see little to no chance of poly working here. You both have trust and intimacy issues with one another and you really have no idea that this other woman is interested in such a relationship.

I agree with this. It doesn't sound like you and your girlfriend are compatible. Maybe its just time to move on. You aren't capable of meeting each other's needs
 
I am sorry you struggle. I see that you don't want to be without either one of them.

But in what way? Healthy or unhealthy? Right now it sounds not so healthy. Additionally, them being around is not solely up to your willingness. They have their own voices in the matter.

Let me offer you my POV.

She has taught me alot and has helped guide me through alot of the obstacles I have made for myself.

Ok.

I have tried to put her needs above mine at all times out of a sense of guilt over my history and a sense of sorrow and shame over her situation and how much better off i was during her hard times.

So why are you making this new obstacle for yourself then?

This has led to me breaking into occasional bouts of depression over time.

Especially when it yields that kind of outcome?

When you neglect your own needs, how is this healthy way of going? Makes no sense to me. :(

To me it sounds like it would be healthier and a better fit to break up with the GF. (Stops new incoming dings)

Then get fit and healthy in yourself. (repair from previous dings)

Then see if you can date the new person who sounds more compatible. (offer a HEALTHY you as a dating partner)

In that order.

Trying to "keep them both" so you do not have to risk loss or deal in conflict resolution by using polyamory as the glue? That's not a good reason to poly.

Galagirl
 
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