Advice please: Struggling with adopting poly relationship

Lou

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Hi everyone,

Apologies in advance for the long post but I feel I'm in a very difficult situation and I'd appreciate some advice from people who really understand my predicament.

My male partner, M, and I have been in a committed non-monogamous relationship for 3 years. We were previously monogamous with past partners, but after hooking up for a year we decided we wanted a committed relationship, but that we liked seeing other people (separately) on the side. We agreed to be primary partners, and any others would be casual tertiary encounters. We were very excited to explore ethical non-monogamy together.

We of course encountered hurdles, but over time developed a system that suited us and learned to communicate well. We'd chat through all our concerns, and became quite good at overcoming the jealousy. My relationship with M has been brilliant, he is very loving and supportive, we want the same things in life (no marriage, no kids), and have amazing sexual chemistry. We decided to focus on positive rules (ie things we wanted to keep special to our relationship - such as certains kinks, shibari, etc), rather than negative rules ('no, you can't do such-and-such with this person'). I felt that negatively policing his relationship with other partners could become very unhealthy, and vice-versa. M and I were excited to start exploring events together until lockdown hit; but we put the plans on hold and were excited to explore this together when restrictions eased.

About a year and a half ago, M started seeing a close female friend of his, C. I struggled with this at first, and initially made it very clear that I still wanted to be the primary partner and that as soon as I felt that position was threatened, I would have to leave. Since then, M and C's relationship has evolved. I have tried very hard over the months to accommodate this, and at points was generally very accepting and also proud of how far I had come on this journey. M and I continued to discuss our relationship, and re-evaluate things as often as possible. I met with C a couple of times (purely platonic) and these were genuinely positive experiences. I continued to meet up with my other tertiary partners, albeit on a much less frequent basis than M was seeing C and his other casual partner. M and I also explored our first threesome together with another of his casual partners; this had its challenges but again was a fun and positive experience.

Over the last few months, I have felt increasingly uneasy about M and C's relationship as it has continued to evolve further. They have spent increasingly more time together (from what was only one night a week, to multiple nights and weekends away together). This was discussed and I accepted it, trying to overcome my jealously. Mostly I was fine with it; I wanted M to be happy. Things escalated again recently when M made clear that he wanted to explore kink events with C, and do more kink play with her. This I really, really struggled with, but I did agree to some extent. I felt that M had become more focused on his relationship with C. I struggled with both his sexual exploration with C, and the increasing significance of their relationship. M could see I was struggling, and clearly tried hard to make me feel loved and supported. In between the pangs of jealously, we continued to have really great times together.

Despite M being adamant that I am still 'number 1' and wants to honour the agreement that we keep certain things special to our relationship as agreed, he has expressed that he wants to be more poly with me and C. I cannot shake the feeling that we are on a slippery slope here; that it's only a matter of time before M asks me if he can do something else (be it sexual, emotional, or re life events, like who gets to spend Christmas together). I still don't feel that I can ask him to Not do certain things with C (especially now he has done them); he clearly wants to do them and I do respect their relationship. I have found poly very difficult, and much prefer our ENM/tiered model. What I have wanted from M and my other tertiary relationships has not changed.

I tried to warn M that I was nearing my limit here, but this weekend I completely snapped, and ended our relationship. I felt he has pushed me too far, and I couldn't do this any more. It's not a decision I made lightly, but felt it was the only thing that was within my control.

I cannot express how upset we both are. Apart from the struggle with C, my relationship with M is/was still truly fantastic. I am really struggling, and wondering if I am making a huge mistake. I am throwing away a wonderful relationship and all that hard work I put in over the last few years.

I'd really appreciate some advice from anyone who has been in similar situation, and if you think I had any other options here? Thank you
 
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I'm sorry to hear about the break up.

FWIW? I think you did what you could.

Just that it's easier to break up when it's a clear mismatch like "No way!" and not invested. Versus investing for a few years and then slowing changing and ending up on different paths.

You were pretty up front about wanting an ENM "open" situation with you being primary and whoever else you each were dating being casual tertiary encounters.

When things were getting more serious with C than "casual" -- you repeated your boundary.

About a year and a half ago, M started seeing a close female friend of his, C. I struggled with this at first, and initially made it very clear that I still wanted to be the primary partner and that as soon as I felt that position was threatened, I would have to leave

And now you have hit your personal limit and broke up.

Despite M being adamant that I am still 'number 1' and wants to honour the agreement that we keep certain things special to our relationship as agreed, he has expressed that he wants to be more poly with me and C.

Because you still prefer an ENM "open" situation. And do not want any of "polyamory" stuff. Whether primary-secondary or co-primary or otherwise.

So... not really wanting the same things any more. And best parting ways. Even though sad. :(

You have my sympathy. It's easier to break up when it's just not a match. It feels harder when it is more like "Aw, man. SO close! But no... things have changed too much to continue."

I really think you did all you could. And did the right thing in letting go.

It is not a mistake for you to honor your own values and preferences, and not go bending yourself into pretzels doing polyamory that you don't want just to hang on to M as a romantic partner. Because doing that is not taking good care of you.

You just don't want any polyamory and that's where he's going.

Maybe after 30-60 days no contact, you and M can work on being "good exes and friends." Like start a new, nonromantic chapter of this relationship since you do get along well.

But def give some time for the old chapter to close. And some healing from the break up to happen first before starting new things.

So neither is tempted to keep flying a kite that just won't fly any more.

I am throwing away a wonderful relationship and all that hard work I put in over the last few years.

You aren't throwing it away. You got to have it. You got to enjoy a wonderful relationship for the last few years.

Just that things changed. So time to end the romance. And maybe let it become friends.

Galagirl
 
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Hello Lou,

It sounds like M is not honoring the agreements both of you made; he is pushing farther and farther and you of course are trying to honor him as much as possible. The question now is should you break up with him. You and he have had a perfect relationship, other than just one little thing. Only this is not one little thing, this is the two of you honoring your agreements. He broke them right from the beginning when he started seeing a close female friend of his (C). That is not a casual tertiary encounter.

Your only other option here was to tell him you would no longer honor his relationship with C ... and who knows how he would have responded to that. He seems to feel that you should honor him, while he does not have to honor you. The rules that you and he agreed on seemingly mean nothing, while your respect for his relationship with C meant everything. You gave him ample warning that this was unacceptable, but instead of heeding the warnings, he chose to move the goalposts further and further away.

I guess you could say that your preferences were incompatible, but that is not how he started things in the beginning. To me, he was rather dishonest in how he said he wanted things in the beginning, compared to how he wanted things with C. And he just kept wanting more and more. The dishonesty kept increasing, which I think you kind of knew was going to happen as soon as he started seeing C. I'm very sorry that he did this to you, but I think ending the relationship was the best -- really only thing you could do.

With sympathy,
Kevin T.
 
Hey Lou,

I feel you and am interested in this thread because it resonates. My partner of a year-and-a-half leans poly, I'm more monogam-ish. I would be very sad if he wanted to spend less time with me, doing things with others he currently does only with me, gone multiple nights a week or holidays elsewhere because he's toggling between partners. I believe I'd bow out in search of someone who wanted more of my time and energy.

The frequent re-negotiating of relationship agreements a.k.a. the "moving of goalposts" is certainly frustrating, even if they're the natural response to a secondary relationship deepening. You didn't say if you lived with your partner or how entangled you are. I'm curious if it was one or two specific agreements that hit a wall, or if it's just a bunch of little things? In these negotiations, do you feel you do more of the compromising, or does he, or are you both?

Sorry you're going through this, but I applaud you for doing what's best for you.
 
I'm sorry you are hurting. I hear you. You wanted a hierarchical poly relationship, where you were guaranteed primary status, and M (I'm going to call him Mike) was guaranteed by you to be your primary, forever, until death parted you.

Unfortunately, as we grow and change, our commitment to all kinds of vows (romantic and otherwise) can and does change. Mike found that he needed to renegotiate the hierarchical model into one where C (Cait) was actually his co-primary, with all the rights a primary has, including the right to do anything sexual or kink they want to do.

It seems he didn't want to move her into your shared home, so there is that!

I can see why a relationship that started as mono, and went to a more swinging model, where there was casual sex or kink with others, but then changed, could be extremely painful to deal with. I was in a 20 year marriage when my ex h and I decided to Open. (We met in college; we were barely out of childhood.) He went deep into NRE with another woman, and I didn't even know who he was anymore. He had always declared himself to be deeply mono-minded. We'd opened for me to explore my bi side. So, it came as a shock that he even could care so deeply for another woman. We just couldn't make the transition. We split... It took 10 years of trying before the split, as we'd invested 20+ years, then 30, and we had 3 kids, a house, and such a long shared history.

After that marriage ended, I met my new partner, and we've been poly the whole time, 12 years now. We've had very few twinges of jealousy, and those are long gone. She has another life partner, and I have had long term bfs too. We just make space for each relationship. There are no winners and losers. We are all good at sharing. But it's world's different than how I felt with my ex h.

I hope my perspective helps a little.
 
I'm sorry to hear about the break up.

FWIW? I think you did what you could.

Just that it's easier to break up when it's a clear mismatch like "No way!" and not invested. Versus investing for a few years and then slowing changing and ending up on different paths.

You were pretty up front about wanting an ENM "open" situation with you being primary and whoever else you each were dating being casual tertiary encounters.

When things were getting more serious with C than "casual" -- you repeated your boundary.



And now you have hit your personal limit and broke up.



Because you still prefer an ENM "open" situation. And do not want any of "polyamory" stuff. Whether primary-secondary or co-primary or otherwise.

So... not really wanting the same things any more. And best parting ways. Even though sad. :(

You have my sympathy. It's easier to break up when it's just not a match. It feels harder when it is more like "Aw, man. SO close! But no... things have changed too much to continue."

I really think you did all you could. And did the right thing in letting go.

It is not a mistake for you to honor your own values and preferences, and not go bending yourself into pretzels doing polyamory that you don't want just to hang on to M as a romantic partner. Because doing that is not taking good care of you.

You just don't want any polyamory and that's where he's going.

Maybe after 30-60 days no contact, you and M can work on being "good exes and friends." Like start a new, nonromantic chapter of this relationship since you do get along well.

But def give some time for the old chapter to close. And some healing from the break up to happen first before starting new things.

So neither is tempted to keep flying a kite that just won't fly any more.



You aren't throwing it away. You got to have it. You got to enjoy a wonderful relationship for the last few years.

Just that things changed. So time to end the romance. And maybe let it become friends.

Galagirl
Thanks Galagirl for your sympathy and advice, I think you really get where I'm coming from.
 
Thank you all for your messages, I really appreciate it I was going to try to answer all your comments individually, but thought I might end up repeating myself...

We were really in a primary-secondary position, and I really believe that we could have continued like that - there was a point where I was genuinely okay with it all, and enjoying exploring these challenges. But recently it felt like the gap between those positions was closing, and too quickly... and there was no going backwards.

I would disagree with you Kevin, I truly don't think M has been dishonest. His relationship with C was not planned, and it wasn't meant to be like this. But life doesn't go according to plan and relationships will always develop in ways that are sometimes unexpected. So I can't fault M for that. It could easily have happened to me. We discussed this all so much along the way, and he asked my permission to do these things (spent more time with C, go on a minibreak, etc)... the difficulty is that I never felt I could say 'No'. I did, to some extent, enjoy the challenge of exploring becoming more 'poly'. I really hoped it was something I could adopt. The difficulty is that we went beyond a position I was comfortable with (primary/secondary), and in the last 2 months or so, things seemed to accelerate way too fast.
It became clear M wanted more from his relationship with C, and (to answer your question LoveBunny) them going to kink events was the really Big Thing I couldn't deal with. M also expressed to me only multiple occasions that he was struggling with jealousy- but about C's relationship with her other partner. This obviously hurt a lot, and I don't feel he fully appreciated how much strain I felt when he was seeing other people (mostly C but also another casual partner) multiple times a week, and I would see a casual partner much less frequently. Perhaps if there had been more balance there things might have been easier, but that's life!
I now regret putting so much upon myself and trying so hard to accommodate their relationship- but of course everything is easier in hindsight, and at the time I did what I felt was right.

Fortunately M and I live separately - something else that also really worked for us.

I really hope this isn't the end of my ENM/poly journey. Magdlyn you really give me hope here :)
 
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