Advice would be appreciated

Snook

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Hello, I am 35 and have been in a poly relationship for at least 7 years. The beginning of the new relationship was not the right way to go about it. I know that now and knew it then. I wasn't giving my wife enough attention. It was a cycle of pressure to be better, and it unconsciously pushed me further away, even though I have always loved her.

She brought up the idea of an open relationship, and I agreed solely because I wanted her to be happy, even at the cost of my own happiness. Eventually, after a while of her dating other people, I got used to it. Her ex-boyfriend came back from living in New York, so they started talking again. He became her serious boyfriend for these past 8 years.

At some point, she said she wanted to stop having sexual relations with me because I was not emotionally connected with her. The idea was that I would need to put more effort into talking to her and connecting emotionally for her to feel comfortable enough to have sex again. It seemed hopeful, at least.

I did make an attempt to have another relationship early into the new polycule, but I went about it very incorrectly. I didn't trust that my wife would actually be okay with my relationship with the new girl progressing past friendship, so I panicked and lied about it. We didn't actually do anything other than hold hands. I would text her nice things, like compliments. It came crashing down when she sent a bra picture and my wife saw it immediately. So, I was told because I hid and lied about it, I was cheating and needed to end it and stop talking to her. Eventually she forgave me.

I went the next however many years just existing and working and giving hugs to my wife, while trying to navigate the poly thing. I have always had problems being aware of my feelings and standing up for them. I think their relationship continued, because I wasn't firm enough in saying that it wasn't working for me: scared she would choose him.

Now, their relationship was toxic, in my opinion. He would lie about porn, and she would get very hurt and angry about it. It would happen again and she always would find out through intuition and "detective work". She got progressively more angry and depressed. But the thing is, it was up and down. He gave her ALL the attention and physical touch she wanted, so she would be happy for a while. I allowed myself during this time to essentially be 2nd, without realizing.

The newest addition started last September-ish. When she started hanging out with the newest guy, I could just feel that she might want to add to the relationship. I told her that I didn't want to add another person. Well, they developed feelings for each other. It was brought to mine and 1st boyfriend's attention that they loved each other and it would make her happy. If they couldn't be together, she said they just couldn't see each other anymore, even as friends. It was supposed to not change anything really, other than there being a new person.

He's great. He and I have/had a kind of non-sexual, more like emotional, relationship, where we will talk about stuff. We love each other essentially like really close friends.

The situation did change, though. She, previously to 2nd bf, used to talk to me more, hug me, and kiss me. It's been very bad feeling for me since I've recently realized that I wasn't getting what I needed out of the relationship the whole time the poly thing was happening. I started telling her that she wasn't giving enough attention to me and I felt unloved and replaced, especially with the new guy. She would state that she would try, but NRE or the cupcake phase has had her whole attention in him. I continued trying to communicate my feelings, and it upset her because she felt like wasn't good enough or was ever doing enough.

At some point, I came to the realization that they might have started having sex. It's been 5-6 years at least, I don't really even know, that I've been told to keep trying to connect and the physical stuff would follow. Well, she's pregnant and it's obviously not mine. I won't ever take out frustrations or negative feelings on an innocent child. I told her that I still love her and would be willing to help with a new baby. I didn't register the whole situation at first, as far as how it made me feel. I feel betrayed that she thought it was okay to have sex without protection, when we both didn't really want another child, and I told her earlier that I just wasn't going to be okay with a pregnancy from another person.

Multiple talks with her more recently have led her to finally state what she wants from me in our relationship. "I thought I knew more than I did. I know some stuff, but I'm not an expert. Now that I'm aware of that, I try to be more careful and articulate accurately."

Anyway, here is a description:

“Hey, I know my feelings might look different from what you're used to, and I never want you to feel unwanted or less important to me — because that’s not true at all.

The kind of love I feel for you is real, deep, and meaningful. I want you in my life long-term — to build a life together, to share joy, support each other, and be close. I love cuddling you, spending time with you, and being sweet with you. I just don’t experience romantic or sexual attraction toward everyone, and that’s okay. It doesn’t make our connection less valid — it just means it has its own unique shape.

You’re incredibly important to me, and I want us to grow something that feels good for both of us. I don't love you less — I just love you differently, and that difference doesn't mean I don’t want you. I do — deeply.
If he’s still struggling, you can invite him to ask questions or talk through his feelings. Reassure him that your desire for a relationship with him isn't conditional on it being romantic or sexual — it's based on who he is and how you two connect."
It was telling me how my feelings are on the asexual/queer spectrum.

Another message:

“I want to be honest with you because I care about you so much, and I want you to feel truly fulfilled in our relationship. I know the way I love and connect might not be what you’ve expected — and I understand that it might feel hard not to have the same kind of romantic or sexual dynamic that I have with someone else.

I need you to know this isn’t about you lacking anything — it’s just how my feelings work. That said, if this kind of relationship doesn’t meet all your needs, it’s okay to explore other connections that do. I support you in finding happiness, however that looks. I want you to feel loved, wanted, and whole — even if some of that comes from someone else.

Whatever you choose, I still care about you deeply and want you in my life in a way that feels good and authentic for both of us.”

So, there it is. I feel strung along with the hope that we would get back at least close to what we had before, including a sexual relationship, but it does not sound like that's what she wants. We have a couples counseling session next month that I had set up when it felt like it could help repair what we had. I didn't want another person, because I don't want her to feel how I've felt, replaced and forgotten. Also it's change that affects my stability that I've been trying to hold onto. I joined this site to get advice. I have been thinking about possibly looking into dating.

So sorry this is soooooooo long.
 
I've also started therapy for myself, because I have realized that I'm very codependent and just not happy in general.
 
Hi,

Welcome to the forum. It's brave of you to come here seeking support. It might help you to read around the Relationships section to see how others began in polyamory. Many people have struggled with you.

It sounds like you were originally "poly-bombed" and have struggled ever since to deal with your wife having bfs. You're torn about dating yourself. You have contradictory feelings.

Your marriage has devolved to be sexless, because of emotional distance and lack of trust. Your wife has chosen to fill that void with others, while you have just gone through the motions of life, feeling devalued, demoted and displaced. She says in her messages that she wants intimacy and closeness, but her actions may not reflect her words.

Do check out our Golden Nuggets section for reading resources and to find archived older threads which will probably address many of your concerns. You can also use our search feature for particular topics.


We have thousands of threads here from others who have gone through similar issues. You're not alone!

I'm glad you're doing individual and couples counseling. That should help a lot.
 
Hello Snook,

One thing that occurs to me, is that if she has multiple partners, you should be able to have multiple partners too. She's saying she's okay with that, but you did have someone in mind at one time and she rejected that. I know you hid and lied about it, and that was her justification. She hasn't been tested yet with something you are transparent about. I hope she supports you, as you have supported her. In the meantime, you miss the physical relationship that you used to have with her, and now it sounds like that physical relationship will never return. This hurts you a lot, I can see that. I think you are going through a grieving process.

Sympathetically,
Kevin T.
 
Hi,

Welcome to the forum. It's brave of you to come here seeking support. It might help you to read around the Relationships section to see how others began in polyamory. Many people have struggled with you.

It sounds like you were originally "poly-bombed" and have struggled ever since to deal with your wife having bfs. You're torn about dating yourself. You have contradictory feelings.

Your marriage has devolved to be sexless, because of emotional distance and lack of trust. Your wife has chosen to fill that void with others, while you have just gone through the motions of life, feeling devalued, demoted and displaced. She says in her messages that she wants intimacy and closeness, but her actions may not reflect her words.

Do check out our Golden Nuggets section for reading resources and to find archived older threads which will probably address many of your concerns. You can also use our search feature for particular topics.


We have thousands of threads here from others who have gone through similar issues. You're not alone!

I'm glad you're doing individual and couples counseling. That should help a lot.
Yeah, that's how it feels. What makes it more complicated is that we are both neuro-divergent and have/had attention issues as is. Now with everything, she is constantly overstimulated and doesn't really want to kiss or cuddle much. Just seems to be a plethora of things to navigate.
 
Hello Snook,

One thing that occurs to me, is that if she has multiple partners, you should be able to have multiple partners too. She's saying she's okay with that, but you did have someone in mind at one time and she rejected that. I know you hid and lied about it, and that was her justification. She hasn't been tested yet with something you are transparent about. I hope she supports you, as you have supported her. In the meantime, you miss the physical relationship that you used to have with her, and now it sounds like that physical relationship will never return. This hurts you a lot, I can see that. I think you are going through a grieving process.

Sympathetically,
Kevin T.
 
The new partner is what has been said in response to my communication of needing more attention and physical attention such as hugs and kisses. She feels like she can never be good enough so I should find what I need with someone else. My plan as of now is to try and remember that we both have trauma that makes our communication difficult, so I don't assume she rejects me if she feels bad. Also I will wait for a while to see what couples counseling can do for us, before trying any dating.
 
I hope the couple's therapy helps you, I can see that you are hurting from her distancing herself from you. Tend to your relationship with her first, before you try any others.
 
Yeah, I was reading some old threads and some replies were saying similar stuff, like it's not fair to a new person if you bring problems from another relationship
 
It helps if you go into a poly situation with your original relationship in a healthy condition. But it doesn't always go that way, sometimes you start a poly relationship while there is still problems in your original relationship.
 
I hate to be blunt, but you wasted 5-8 yrs trying to be "good“ enough, connected enough, blah blah blah. Having unprotected sex with a non-married partner isn’t an accident. It was a decision. You’ve been demoted and displaced pretty much from the get-go, and I’m not sure that’s entirely your fault. Let’s not forget you were reacting to a new dynamic and her new behavior. You could have had very good reasons for withdrawing. And asking to help raise another man’s baby is probably the pinnacle of intrusion. I'd check the laws in your state or country on birth registration/certificates.

Bottom line, you wasted 5-8 yrs of your life. She wrote 2 well-crafted statements on where she stands and where she sees you in the picture (which is somewhere in the background next to the dog). Why waste one single dollar or one single second trying to chase this? Let someone else deal with her and the mess that will eventually follow.

Save yourself!
 
I appreciate your view on my situation. I certainly have felt like this at times, and that's why I need/want to start couples counseling so that there is a licensed professional who can set us both straight. There always is more to the story, as I'm sure it is for everyone.
 
I appreciate your view on my situation. I certainly have felt like this at times, and that's why I need/want to start couples counseling so that there is a licensed professional who can set us both straight. There always is more to the story, as I'm sure it is for everyone.
How long were you married or together prior to opening your relationship?

From your opening post, it sounds like the reason your wife suggested opening your marriage. She was feeling neglected so she wanted to out-source ideas in terms of a short-term solution to getting her needs met. HORRIBLE idea or plan for keeping marriage together.

The time for therapy was prior to opening up, or at the 1-6 month mark, not 8 yrs later.

How much prep or education did you and your wife do prior to opening your relationship? How much reading or education on some of the common pitfalls (NRE, poly hell, detangling, etc.) when things started to deviate or devolve?

Was there any talk or suggestion of therapy back then?

A marriage counselor once told me that 80-85% of cases were about getting one or both parties to acknowledge that there was too much damage, for whatever reason, too much resentment, etc., and that the marriage was effectively over long before anyone considered marriage counseling. If your expectations are to have a trained professional help you put the genie back in the bottle and have the old marriage back, you’re sadly wasting your time. You can only control your side of the equation. Sadly, your wife made it super clear she loves you like a dear friend, and has moved on, and gently suggested you move on, too.

Being set straight by a trained professional might validate one’s opinion on fault and score-keeping the last 7 yrs, but it’s not going to create or restore attraction, desire, romantic love.
 
See, that's the thing, I know that this will make things final. I don't have delusions that everything will magically get better. I'm not looking for one specific outcome. If the therapist can give us tools to help us build a new different kind of relationship, that'd be great, but I have been aware for a while that it's very possible that what we will find out is that we've hurt each other enough that we can't have what I would prefer. We still love each other, so an amicable split of sorts might be possible.

Btw, there was talk of counseling before. I just didn't set it up.
 
There are times when one has thoughts and ideas, but aren't sure what is intuition and what is anxious thoughts. So therapy is started, and the therapist suggests couples counseling. She did say that there is the possiblity that it may not work out, but it's worth trying for the sake of clarity. At the time of posting the original long message, I was needing to communicate. I wanted others views, advice, and experience.
 
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