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Charles76

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Help.

Long story short... I was introduced to poly badly. My wife and her guy friend kissed and then I was told about it the next day. The idea of poly was exciting and with me and her discussing it tried it. I came crashing down and the poly aspect was cut off but they were still friends. I’ve delt with trust issues with them being friends and with her permission the friend was terminated.

My question is she wants to be platonic friends with him again. Is this a good idea?
 
It sounds like your wife slipped up once, got carried away and kissed a friend. I'm not sure how much you two discussed it before you agreed she could continue sexually with her friend and escalate the activities.

One slip-up kiss does not make it all poly. Most Closed couples take a least a year to discuss and do research into poly before they actually try getting other partners. It sounds like you rushed into it, since wife had a crush and wanted to act on it, before you were really ready.

So you "crashed." Got too jealous, I guess. Now you no longer trust that you wife can be "just friends" with this guy. That's understandable.

Can you give us some idea of a time frame in which all this happened? It would also help if you chose nicknames for wife and guy.
 
Hello Charles76,

I think the question is, do you trust your wife to be able to maintain a platonic friendship without kissing him again. Do you think you could trust her to maintain the platonic aspect?

Also, another question is, how much reading up have you and your wife done on open/poly? Perhaps you should do some more digging into the topic, and negotiate some ground rules with each other. "Opening Up: a guide to creating and sustaining open relationships," by Tristan Taormino, is a great book, check it out.

Regards,
Kevin T.
 
http://www.polyamory.com/forum/showthread.php?t=103759

I’m the wife, I encouraged him to come here for advice. The link here is the background from my introduction thread. I can’t go into much more detail than is in that thread as to what kind of tragedies we’ve endured for the last year now because they’d be identifiable... but there’s some background for everyone anyway. I’ve found this form helpful to lurk through and pointed him to it.
 
Hi SassyAL,

Thanks for posting, and for referencing your intro thread, that was a good review for me. Have you gained any healing from the tragedies you experienced? I hope we can help you with your current situation.

Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
Hi SassyAL,

Thanks for posting, and for referencing your intro thread, that was a good review for me. Have you gained any healing from the tragedies you experienced? I hope we can help you with your current situation.

Sincerely,
Kevin T.

Thanks for asking Kevin, I won’t hijack his thread on that, but in short answer yes many of the things from last year have resolved and there’s been slow healing BUT another much greater tragedy struck that involved one of our children in which made all the other heartache pale in comparison and we’re still very much reeling and dealing with that. Part of the reason that Legend’s struggles are resurfacing now is because I ran into Myth in public recently by happenstance and we re-opened the communication about the fact that I still very much miss the friendship. I’ll let Legend take it all from there however he wishes on here to get the advice he needs. I don’t want to hijack. He needs reassurance and/or answers for his feelings on it all and I directed him here for that. The idea of Poly is still very hard for him... and I am very much willing to forgo that aspect of it entirely. I ultimately very much miss the years long close friendship with Myth and what he added to my life in the form of just friendship. Legend struggles with the trust that it could remain platonic.
 
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Trying

I’ll try to answer questions, but first I’ll lead off with me reaching out to myth,

Me, Hey.. I’d like to talk to you sometime. I’m trying to get back to you and Sas being platonic friends. It’s been tough on all of us.

Myths Reply, I appreciate you reaching out, but I don’t really understand why you need to be a part of Sas and me being platonic friends. That ought to be between us. You did not consult me when you forcibly cut me out of her life, so I’m not sure why you feel the need to be a part of her resuming a friendship with me.
Anything i have to say, I’m happy to say to sas.

Me, I would hope you would understand I have trust issues over this. As you recall I wasn’t consulted over the events that were done in ga and as history shows I put forth a great effort In trying. She gave me the choice in this matter because she loves me. I’m trying to do right by her and me. Can you put yourself in my shoes?

Me, I would like to hope we could get to the place of being friends again. I unfairly placed the blame solely on you. I’m wired differently then you. I’m trying to fix something that I didn’t break. I would hope that you and her friendship is worth the trying to put me at ease.

Myth, Let me think about this and get back with you tomorrow




I think the question is, do you trust your wife to be able to maintain a platonic friendship without kissing him again. Do you think you could trust her to maintain the platonic aspect?

I want to, before it happened i would never believed it would. But it did. Then i put forth a yearlong effort in trying to be supportive. As for him, he is a guy so there is never going to be trust.

Sas is a great writer she posted her story. It answers most questions on time line.

It comes down to letting her have her friend that she’s emotionally involved with and risk me being hurt again or hurting her now and hopefully not having another slip up down the road.


I’m figuring out that my attempt at being poly is not for me. The feeling of wanting to be done is real. If not for my love for her i wouldn’t have tried.

I’m sorry i reached out to a poly group when my wife wants to be and I’m not.
 
Hi Charles (Legend),

My take on the subject is, there isn't one either/or about polyamory and monogamy, it's not like one is right while the other is wrong. Some people are wired for polyamory, some people are wired for monogamy. Either way is fine. In your situation, you are looking at possibly building a mono/poly relationship with your wife. This is hard to do, but there are people who have managed to do it. It takes a lot of communication and compromise. If it can be done.

From your description of your dialog with Myth, it sounds like you both have some longstanding wounds from each other, and it is hard for the two of you to communicate. I don't blame you for having these feelings, but it sounds like you put most of the blame on Sas, as you indicate that males are *never* worthy of trust, by default. So it was then up to Sas to keep things platonic, she was the one you trusted, and she was thus the one who let you down.

Your feelings, around poly in general, and around your situation in particular, are obviously very raw, like you are kind of saying yes under duress to a friendship between Sas and Myth. I fear you have more hurt ahead of you on the path ahead, even if Sas does show that she can be trusted, you still have the past to content with, it does not just go away. I have a few links that may help you determine what you can stand/endure/tolerate. Poly is not for everyone.

I hope some of that can help.
Respects and regards,
Kevin T.
 
Hi Sas,

I just wanted to say I'm very sorry that you have been struck by an even greater tragedy. I can't imagine how you can be hanging on, but I hope you will hang on. I'm sure you and Legend (Charles) are both crushed by this new tragedy. I hope I can be of some small help. :(

Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
....do you trust your wife to be able to maintain a platonic friendship without kissing him again.......It comes down to letting her have her friend that she’s emotionally involved with
A friendship isn't really platonic if the friends are dying to kiss each other but don't. A friendship isn't really platonic if the friends are emotionally involved in a romantic way. Policing the kissing or struggling to trust that there would be no kissing is really missing the point that these friends already have a sexually romantic attachment. Calling it platonic and banning the kissing doesn't make a relationship platonic. Kissing or no kissing, these friends have a sexually romantic attachment.
 
I'm sorry you struggle. :(

I am also sorry to hear about your kid having problems. :(

I’m sorry i reached out to a poly group when my wife wants to be and I’m not.

Why? You want help.

I think you could stop shrinking yourself so much. It's ok for you to take up the space you do in the world.

It comes down to letting her have her friend that she’s emotionally involved with and risk me being hurt again or hurting her now and hopefully not having another slip up down the road.

How about being honest with Sassy this time? That you don't feel great about it. You prefer she NOT take up with Myth again right now, even as friends.

I’m figuring out that my attempt at being poly is not for me. The feeling of wanting to be done is real. If not for my love for her i wouldn’t have tried.

Then be resolute and be done.

How come you love her more than you love your own well being? Are you able to say "I love you a whole lot. But not even for you will I do stuff or participate in stuff that hurts me" to Sassy? :confused:

Why you are talking to Myth if you feel like this...

As for him, he is a guy so there is never going to be trust.

Could not talk to him since you don't trust him. Because if you are (talking him to him trying to get him to be friends with Sassy) is that behavior that supports (I want to be done) or not? Not. Align your behavior to your wants and reduce your stress load. Make life easier on you at this time.

It is not your job to "repair" anything there to "make nice" for Sassy.

I was introduced to poly badly. My wife and her guy friend kissed and then I was told about it the next day. The idea of poly was exciting and with me and her discussing it tried it.

That's not you being introduced to poly badly (to me.) You are responsible for your own well being. If you jump in blind or underprepared, or you are doing stuff just to make your spouse happy? That's you choosing to float along into it and choosing not to take very good care of you.

I see a lot of people not owning stuff. You made a choice to jump in under prepared.

Sassy made a choice to agree to and then execute a veto. I don't know if Myth was aware of that or not. That he was involved with someone who agreed to veto. He's blaming you, rather than Sassy. Cuz really? Sassy could have said "I have changed my mind, Legend. I will no longer be keeping this veto agreement."

I’ve delt with trust issues with them being friends and with her permission the friend was terminated.

My question is she wants to be platonic friends with him again. Is this a good idea?

Now with your kid's problems and all? Plus pandemic? And whatever other stress? NO. I do not think it's a good idea to be platonic friends with him at this time. What for? Where is the fire?

I think it might be better for YOU to start being more honest with yourself and with Sassy. Be more firm. STOP doing stuff just to "make Sassy happy." You guys jumped in too fast before. How about slowing it down this time? It has to be RIGHT NOW? Or maybe just plain not going there at all?

I also think Sassy could be more honest too. From the other post from late last summer:

Legend apparently began attributing my withdrawal to Myth, kind of a misdirected point of blame. He asked me if I would cut it off entirely with Myth, that he just couldn’t handle it anymore. At the point I was at right then, just trying to breathe and pretend to the outside world that I was okay while feeling nothing but numb, I didn’t care. WHat was one more loss?

Why the lack of honesty about the depression/funk Sassy was in?

And Sassy, having made the choice to dump Myth? Not esp valuing him then? Now that time has passed, and you realize your mistake? That might be your price to pay -- exeperiencing feelings of remorse and regret now that you are coming back "alive" and healing from the funk you were in. It's ok to just experience them. You don't have to DO anything about them.

You also cannot treat people that way and expect them to be all "Yippee!" later when you want to engage with them again. Or expect them to help you arrive at closure or assuage your regrets. Myth may have moved on and may not want to be bothered.

I do miss Myth very much, but at this point I feel it’d be cruel of me to even suggest reconnecting even at just a platonic friend level. I just simply was not a friend like I should have been by dismissing the friendship so easily and going numb. I know that Legend has deserved more of me than he’s gotten in the last 6 months and I feel that I let my special friend down too.

Then leave the man alone and don't be more cruel. Myth has dealt with enough collateral damage. Let sleeping dogs lie.

The idea of Poly is still very hard for him... and I am very much willing to forgo that aspect of it entirely.

If willing to let the poly go? LET IT GO.

That's my opinion. Both of you could be kind. Be kind to Myth and don't stir things up again in his life. Leave him be.

Be kind to yourselves and resolve to be way more up front and honest with each other. If both are willing to stop poly, STOP.

This may be one of those cases where you were WILLING to try poly out, but learned that you are not ABLE to do poly well.

So having learned that... Why bang head on wall? During a pandemic time to boot?

If the desire to try to be friends with Myth again is still there later down? Could try later down IF he's open to that. And it would need to be SASSY engaging, not Legend on behalf of Sassy. Each person holding their own bag.

After a nice long while of Legend and Sassy both living live NOT stressed out. It doesn't have to be RIGHT NOW.

You just had a bunch of stress with the kid and are living through the pandemic stress we are all dealing in. Doom from sky stress on kid? Nobody could help. Doom from sky stress from pandemic? Nobody could help.

Stress from pursuing friendship again with an ex? That is a chosen stress. That is not "doom from sky" stress. When you choose to engage in that CAN be helped.

I think it'll keep.

Galagirl
 
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Hi again Charles,

I have been thinking about it, and have realized I might have misrepresented you when I said you were looking at building a mono/poly relationship. I now think what you want maybe is a mono/mono relationship, you do not want poly at all. I'm sorry if I misrepresented you.

You may have some bitter feelings about poly, and I don't blame you. For what it's worth, if you want to talk about it, I am willing to listen. It is not wrong of you if you realize that you're strictly monogamous, nor is it wrong of you to seek help on this forum. Your situation reminds me of CTF, a monogamous member whose wife wanted to be poly and he said, "No. I will not stay in this marriage if you start practicing poly." Here are a couple of the threads that he started:

You should have a look at those two threads (and possibly at a few of his other threads), I think you'll be surprised at how like-minded he is, and how much he would sympathize with you. You are not doing anything wrong, you want to lead a monogamous life, and that is okay. As for Sas and Myth, you definitely don't want them to be romantically involved, *at all* ... and that is okay too.

Again I apologize for misreading your posts.
Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
The idea of Poly is still very hard for him... and I am very much willing to forgo that aspect of it entirely. I ultimately very much miss the years long close friendship with Myth and what he added to my life in the form of just friendship. Legend struggles with the trust that it could remain platonic.

The thing is, you can't just drop polyamory once the horse has left the barn. You can drop the action of kissing, but if you're in love with Myth, you're in love with Myth. You don't put poly back into the bottle by promising not to kiss. Your husband rightly senses that these promises not to kiss will not provide a solid framework going forward. You and Myth may indeed hold back from kissing, but everyone knows that the love relationship is still there. Polyamory is about the love relationship.
 
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