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WonderWoman81

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Hello,

I'm new to the forum and polyamory. My husband and I have been together for 13 years and have been monogamous the entire time. Over the years, as it happens in many marriages, my libido has dropped with having two kids, full time job, medication interactions, etc. My husband's could go all day everyday. As much as we do have sex, it just isn't enough for him, and I'm exhausted.

Well, our best friend of 10 years recently divorced her emotionally and verbally abusive husband. She was married to him for 8 years, but they have not had sex of any kind for the past 4 years! Now that he is out of the picture, she is not ready for any type of committed relationship, she has a lot of damage to undo from his abuse. However, she really wanted to have sex again.

The other thing to understand here is I have had quite a few relationships and lovers prior to meeting my husband. I was my husband's first lover and girlfriend. My friend had also only had one lover and relationship, with her now ex-husband.

So, the three of us had a very open discussion. This seemed like a mutually beneficial situation for all of us. She could begin to become a sexual being again with someone that she knows very well, that she trusts, and that is not going to want a fully committed monogamous relationship with her, since he has no intention of leaving me. He could be satisfied sexually in a way that I cannot provide (I love sex, but I also really love sleep)! They could both "sow their wild oats" that they didn't do when they were younger. And by him spending intimate time with her in this situation, the key is to communicate a lot. This satisfies my need for more communication and more non-sexual affection from him which has been lacking in our marriage.

They both told me they only wanted a purely sexual relationship with each other. I told them that will not happen, feelings will develop, and that when they do they should embrace them, that it's natural and ok, and when it happens we should talk about.

The first month went wonderfully! Most of the time it's the two of them alone. Occasionally, I would join in, but I loved to watch more than participate. They would have date nights alone, and so would my husband and I. Just really going well!

I had some insecurities, I expressed them to him and he understood. Then, I began to have more, so I communicated, but he interpreted them as jealousy. They aren't, they are more comparisons I've made, which I really need to work through.

My problem that I'm hung up on right now, is I don't think I am as good in bed as she is. They will go for 2 to 3 hours, with breaks. For me, 30 minutes is a long time. He has told me she is more adventurous sexually than I am. That was a hit to my ego, because I thought I was pretty adventurous. I've loved having them both tell me details of their times together, but I'm wondering if that is a good idea anymore? I've also stopped participating for mainly the same reasons.

What also is happening is my friend is developing romantic feelings for my husband much faster than he is for her. She is venting to me about it, I'm trying to be there for her, but also I'm telling her she needs to talk face to face with him to resolve this, but is not doing so. I'm not sure how else to tell her to please talk to him about this, any advice on that? He has expressed concern about this as well. I told them both "I told you so" but also reiterated that they should not deny these developing feelings but embrace them. I know and trust neither of them will hurt me, but they need to figure this out.

So yeah, loooong post. It's at least good to get this all out. If you took the time to read this novel, thanks! Any advice would be appreciate!
 
Hello WonderWoman81,

It sounds like you have hit a few snags, but overall it still sounds like a really good poly situation between the three of you. You are probably wise to disconnect a little from their sex life, you don't need to be making comparisons. Although I would say, it's not necessarily a bad thing to be "less adventurous" or "quicker in bed." It's not bad, it's just different. I'm as vanilla as they come, a fact that does not really bother me. Of course, YMMV. As for your friend's developing of feelings for your husband, perhaps your best chance of getting her to discuss it with him, is, to sit down together all three of you, and ask her there to talk about it. You've already asked her to talk to him about it, and she hasn't done so. So, you need a setup where she will be extra encouraged to open up to him. I mean, he already knows about it, right? and is concerned. So he, too, needs to talk with her about it.

Those are my initial thoughts ... if I can think of any more advice, I'll let you know.
Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 

Welcome WonderWoman! Love your name.

I'm new to the forum and polyamory. My husband and I have been together for 13 years and have been monogamous the entire time. Over the years, as it happens in many marriages, my libido has dropped with having two kids, full time job, medication interactions, etc. My husband's could go all day everyday. As much as we do have sex, it just isn't enough for him, and I'm exhausted.

Well, our best friend of 10 years recently divorced... she really wanted to have sex again.

The other thing to understand here is I have had quite a few relationships and lovers prior to meeting my husband. I was my husband's first lover and girlfriend. My friend had also only had one lover and relationship, with her now ex-husband.

So, the three of us had a very open discussion... This satisfies my need for more communication and more non-sexual affection from him which has been lacking in our marriage.

They both told me they only wanted a purely sexual relationship with each other. I told them that will not happen, feelings will develop, and that when they do they should embrace them, that it's natural and ok, and when it happens we should talk about.

The first month went wonderfully! ...

I had some insecurities, I expressed them to him and he understood...

My problem that I'm hung up on right now, is I don't think I am as good in bed as she is...

What also is happening is my friend is developing romantic feelings for my husband much faster than he is for her. She is venting to me about it, I'm trying to be there for her, but also I'm telling her she needs to talk face to face with him to resolve this, but is not doing so. I'm not sure how else to tell her to please talk to him about this, any advice on that? He has expressed concern about this as well. I told them both "I told you so" but also reiterated that they should not deny these developing feelings but embrace them. I know and trust neither of them will hurt me, but they need to figure this out.

...It's at least good to get this all out. If you took the time to read this novel, thanks! Any advice would be appreciate!

Your husband and friend are in the very beginning throes of NRE. New relationship energy. Your husband has a very high sex drive. As do many men. And we women have fluctuating sex drives because of estrogen, the cycle of it. Add in kids (our first job) and outside jobs (our second jobs) and our homecare (most women still do way more housework than men, so, our third jobs) and we have an exhausted mama.

Anyway, your h and friend have only ever had one partner. Hers was a shitty abusive one. Your h and she are experiencing NRE and are basically going at it like teenagers, since it's all new and shiny.

Now, I'm a female 63 and my sexuality blossomed in my 40s. I can and often do enjoy 90 minutes to 5 hours of sex. As my estrogen lessened my libido shot up. (It can and does go the other way with perimenopausal and menopausal women though.) But anyway, everyone's sexuality is unique. And polyamory doesn't mean threesome sex. I'm glad you're not participating like that if it makes you uncomfortable. Threesomes can be fun, can be not fun. It's not a requirement. I much prefer one on one myself.

Try not to compare. That is a common pitfall of polyamory. Don't ask about their sex, refuse to let your husband tell about it. Don't be around to hear it if you can help it.

But the beauty of poly is in its variety. Different types of sex with different partners. We are all unique. We all have different energies, interests, kinks. And that's OK!!! It's OK to be you and express your love as is natural for you. You want more talking and non sexual touch too, and that's very valid! It's a good way to get YOUR needs met. Your love languages spoken.

As for your friend wanting to vent to you about her boyfriend who is your husband. Yeah... no. You gotta draw a line. She can talk to a different friend about her new boyfriend. (Doesn't need to reveal who he is.) Talk to him. Talk to her therapist. You shouldn't be the go between. That's icky.
 
My problem that I'm hung up on right now, is I don't think I am as good in bed as she is. They will go for 2 to 3 hours, with breaks.

NRE. It's novel to have a new lover. Also... brain is dumping lots of brain chemistry right now. Like "high" on hormones.

http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2017/love-actually-science-behind-lust-attraction-companionship/

I've loved having them both tell me details of their times together, but I'm wondering if that is a good idea anymore? I've also stopped participating for mainly the same reasons.

Group sex is not a requirement.

If sharing all that was fun at first but now it is getting to be TMI? Stop watching them share sex and stop asking for details. Every dyad needs its own privacy. And you sound like you need some space too. Like the novelty wore off for you already with watching and hearing about it and all that. You want to get back to something more normal and not everyone all in "holiday mode wheeeee!" stuff. That can be tiring. Even good stress is still stress. It wears a person out.

What also is happening is my friend is developing romantic feelings for my husband much faster than he is for her.

Fair enough. People are different.

She is venting to me about it, I'm trying to be there for her, but also I'm telling her she needs to talk face to face with him to resolve this, but is not doing so. I'm not sure how else to tell her to please talk to him about this, any advice on that?

Stop telling her.

If you need rest? Be there for YOU before you are there some more for others. Not like selfish, but like self care. Just like you put your own oxygen mask on first before assisting others.

Could be more direct. Tell her you are getting overloaded, you already talked about this, so you have nothing new to add. You suggest she talk to him direct. Then just lather, rinse, repeat. Kind but firm. "Sorry to hear that. Suggest you talk to him. Not me." There. Done. A lot less effort for you.

Not processing with her foreeeeeever. YKWIM?

Whether or not she moves on to talk to him? That's a (her + him) issue.

Whether or not she takes that step? At least it calms down for YOU in that you stop hearing so much about it all. It's not your business, and you don't have to be like her free therapist.

He has expressed concern about this as well. I told them both "I told you so" but also reiterated that they should not deny these developing feelings but embrace them. I know and trust neither of them will hurt me, but they need to figure this out.

When he comes to you about (him + her) problems? You can tell him the same. Or tell them both at the same time.

"I am feeling overloaded. Both of you keep telling me stuff rather than talking direct to each other. I need some rest. So am taking the middle man OUT. The things between you two? You guys have to figure it out between you WITHOUT me. I cannot be the sounding board for each of you because I am part of the system. Talk to people OUTSIDE the system to vent and air out, please. Let's comfort in, but kvetch OUT so we don't implode. "

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-...-oe-0407-silk-ring-theory-20130407-story.html

You cannot be like their "relationship coach" and at the same time, be part of of the poly V. It's weird personal boundaries to me. You cannot become the emotional dumpster or kvetch bucket for all the people in this system. That's not fair and overloading you.

You already stated to both of them that you are ok with it becoming more than sharing sex. If they grow feelings you are willing to accept that and work something out. So... let them figure it out! You don't have to figure it out FOR them. Come tell you the news when there is news. Not tell you every itty bitty play by play. That's annoying.

Step back some, esp if hearing detailed TMI stuff about their side of the V is overloading you, making you feel insecure or weird. Just too much TMI.

Create and then maintain better personal boundaries.

To me the health of a polyship overall rests on the "mini" relationships inside.

  • you (how you deal with yourself, if you are honest with your own self, etc)
  • him (how he deals with himself, etc)
    [*]her(how she deal with herself, etc)

  • You + her (friends and how you communicate) (get annoyed she not talking to him)
  • You + him (established lovers and how you communicate) (get annoyed he not talking to her)
  • him + her (new lovers)

  • You + (him + her) -- how you deal with them as a romantic couple. (starting to get annoyed with them because they don't talk to each other, and starting to feel insecure knowing all this TMI stuff they tell you, etc)
  • (You + him) + her -- how she deals with you two as a romantic couple
  • (you + her) + him -- how he deals with you and her as a couple of friends

(You + him + her) -- when you do things together like dinner or something.

If those two in red are behaving poorly dealing with themselves because they come dump on you rather than approach the other one? Everywhere their name appears will be affected if it goes on too long. Like a ripple effect cascading on down. So nip in bud and tell them to deal with their own stuff.

Some stuff is just yours.

Some stuff is just couple stuff - and which couple's it is depends on the issue.

Some stuff is all 3 stuff.

(Their couple stuff) IS NOT (all 3 of you stuff.)

Step back and let them own it. I think because it's new to all, and because neither of them has a lot of dating experience, and then she's coming out of abuse? And in the past maybe both were used to turning to you as their "go to" person? The boundaries might get a little wonky.

It's not the end of the world... the old normal is gone. The new normal is not quite here. It's ok to have wobbles. But straighten it up some so it's less annoying for you. Nip in bud while it's small wobble. YKWIM?

Galagirl
 
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