Am polyamorous but can't be, so trying to come to terms with that

Leander

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Hi there! :p I'm joining this place because I've come to a kind of crossroads in my relationship(s) and I need to reflect and adjust. Also I think it could be beneficial to me to see how people here think, because polyamory in lifestyle and perspective is not all that common and consequently I feel isolated sometimes.

I consider myself polyamorous in personality (more on that in a sec) and have been in two poly relationships before that came about naturally. They worked so well for me. :) I met a wonderful women many years ago and am now married to her. She is very much monogamous in experience and mindset. Although she loves the idea of polyamory in theory, she understandably has fears and difficult feelings about it. More significantly, in all the time I've known her we've not met another couple or individual where there was potential. Always its been that someone is interested in one of us exclusively or wants to get playful in ways that are potentially damaging to their existing relationships. :eek: Admittedly we haven't tried things like making contact with people who identify as polyamorous. I just thought that something would come about spontaneously, because that's how it did for me in the past.

Recently we ended up in bed with some of my wife's friends after getting drunk. Despite not being our thing (very rough BDSM) it was fun and I adore two of the women involved so was high for days afterwards. However, it (albeit briefly) made my wife feel threatened and dealing with that sparked me to reassess a lot of things.

Something odd about me, which is something I share with my mother and to an extent my father, is that its highly unusual for me to feel jealous or insecure when it comes to love. If love is unrequited or goes badly I'll experience a lot of pain and sadness but that has a certain beauty to it, too. More than that though, I actively love seeing partners finding happiness with others too. While I've always been that way it became more pronounced after I became seriously ill in my twenties. I went through torturous hell for two years and often wished my body would just give up and die. After recovering I found I was capable of far greater love and intimacy than before. What followed was a blitz of intense relationships. While amazing I tended to focus my attention on the most difficult partners because they were the most needy. Ultimately I had to stop doing that because it was so chaotic and exhausting. So, I stopped seeing anyone, moved to a quiet rural area and became a bit of a Buddhist hermit. That was when I met my wife. We were so well suited it was freakish to discover she existed!

Fast forward to today and I have this problem: Despite learning to hide, ignore or condition it well I still develop amorous long lasting feelings very easily (extends to a fondness of people in general). Its actually been getting stronger over the years. If people could glimpse the world from my eyes and saw the extent of it I think they'd be shocked. It means I make good friends easily :) but I crave more. All this time I've been hoping that the romantic exclusivity I have with my wife could be expanded out to include one or two others somehow. Not going to happen. Part of the trouble is that most men find her threatening. She's ardently feminist, highly intelligent, can come across as belligerent and needs a tender approach since she's had a rough time with men in general, starting with her father. If she wasn't heterosexual it would be simple, because bi and lesbian women go for her all the time.

I feel like I should find ways to use or express my romantic tendencies in some useful way. I spoke to my mother about this, who has had strikingly similar conflicts in her life. She talked about channeling the energy and emotion from (what feels to me like) the unrequited love I live with into shamanism/mysticism, charity work or similar. I've been doing that all along anyway. Can't think of anything else. At least I do have my lovely wife.

Can anyone relate to this at all? Am I just a hopeless crazy person? Did anyone even read this far? Didn't mean to write so much! :eek:
 
Despite not being our thing (very rough BDSM) it was fun and I adore two of the women involved so was high for days afterwards. However, it (albeit briefly) made my wife feel threatened and dealing with that sparked me to reassess a lot of things.

Sounds like maybe subdrop? The temporary depression after BDSM some people can experience as the brain/hormone chemistry stuff released by intense stimulus like BDSM sex clears the body?

As for the other stuff...sounded like you wanted to just air out.

I am not hearing the problem stated as

"My problem is X, and I want Y as my desired outcome. How do I get that?"​

I am hearing

"I am sad and bummed out. Wife and I are married. We're Open to polysexual experiences where we share sex with others. I was hoping a polyamorous relationship where we share love with others would have arrived by now. That's how my past poly relationships evolved.

I acknowledge that I'm not actively circulating in poly-friendly waters though to better up the odds of "something comes along naturally" though.

So... I'm bummed my current behavior isn't yielding results I want. I need comforting."​

If that is what it is? Then I am sorry you feel bummed out right now. :eek:

I am not hearing that you want to change anything though. If you do want to change your behaviors, I'd start here.

Admittedly we haven't tried things like making contact with people who identify as polyamorous. I just thought that something would come about spontaneously, because that's how it did for me in the past

If your behavior until now (waiting for it to "just arrive naturally") has not yielded desired outcome (multiple partners arriving)?
  • Could consider changing position (get closer to the poly current, make it known you are Open)
  • Could change the method (from passive waiting to be asked to active dating where you do the asking)
  • Could do both

Basically... if you and wife want to Open and are willing for you to poly date more actively? You and wife could Open and be willing for you to poly date more actively and see if that yields desired outcome. :eek:

(Make sure wife is up for all that first. Her being up for sex share is not her being automatically up for love share.)

Galagirl
 
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Huh, GalaGirl yes you are so right. I'm bummed out right now. I'm emotionally exhausted and overloaded.

It wasn't subdrop. What happened was that she said some stuff that one of the girls, D, took as a sign that she wanted to sleep with her. D got playful, they stripped then D came on very strong and my wife wasn't feeling it. Can't have helped that everyone else was just watching. She's shy. My wife kept trying to get into it but nothing was happening for her, so everyone else started on D and each other. She just watched. After everything was settling the next day my wife was worried she had accidentally initiated something by mistake and been a terrible let down. Also she was quite shocked at how intense D was. She'd never seen me be like the way I was with D and was also a little upset at seeing me kissing and hugging D for so long as she came down. :(

Anyway, as for changing behaviour and actively going out to look for others, even as I was writing that post I was thinking to myself, "Why haven't we done this yet?" There is a poly community in the city we live in and from having read some of the stuff on this forum I'm struck by how different it might be meeting people in that community than what we've been doing, which is making it known we have an open relationship to people we're close to in general. That has resulted in some odd stuff.

I think my wife would actually love to meet other poly people. I'm thinking that poly men are going to be a lot less threatened by her, too.

She's unlikely to up for love share anytime soon. If she could have something with another guy that would be great. My guess is it would be very liberating and confidence boosting for her.
 
Just to be clear here -- you wife consented to group sex share. It just turned out different than what she thought it would be. Right? To me it sounds like the adrenalin fight or flight hormone thing was triggered. Maybe not from intense BSDM sex, but intense group sex and performance anxiety. She is disappointed you got caught up in the group sex and were not looking out for her.

If wife is not up for love share -- could you ask her to clarify that?

  • She means she wants to love you only, but she wants to date and share sex with others?
  • She wants you to love only her, but it is ok for you to share sex with others?
  • Something else?
  • Both?
  • What?

I think you guys could make poly friends. That's fine to do any time

But before you poly date -- you and wife would talk more and get clear on what you each seek, how you each expect to be treated, how you expect to handle conflict resolution, and how you expect this to end.

You didn't sound like you talked enough before the group sex thing, and there were some hurt feelings. Could learn from that and talk before taking on poly dating. Especially the plan for how to deal in poly hell.

Maybe some of these help also:
http://www.practicalpolyamory.com
http://www.kathylabriola.com/articles/
http://openingup.net/resources/free-downloads-from-opening-up/

She's unlikely to up for love share anytime soon. If she could have something with another guy that would be great. My guess is it would be very liberating and confidence boosting for her.

What does she lack confidence in? I am confused.

Could you be willing to clarify? Are you saying "At this time, my wife if not willing to practice polyamory. I think if my wife has successful sex with another man, she will become more willing to try polyamory?"

Galagirl
 
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Well, she consented to sex with D but expected something slow and exploratory. D was completely unlike she imagined. They didn't discuss anything at all and she didn't see it coming until D was very worked up and pleading to sleep with her. Performance anxiety is also a deep set issue for her. Gets triggered easily and then its instant shutdown. The only reason that night became a group sex share thing was because my wife pretty much catapulted D out of the bedroom and into the living room where everyone was shortly after they'd stripped and disappeared. She then followed after her because she felt bad about it and the awkwardness resumed. She found what happened "interesting" after that but yeh, just watched and heckled from the back.

What happened with D was also kind of a mistake on my part. My wife asked me to take over for her yet that was part guilt that she might had led D on and part wanting a way to distract D away from her. She might have consented to me having sex with D if we'd had time to talk about it beforehand but she still wouldn't have wanted it. Like an idiot I heard what she said but didn't guess how she was feeling. Had no idea until we were talking about it the next day. Not my greatest moment. :eek:

Something difficult for me is that my feelings for D are strong. I've expressed to my wife that I was "performing", which is true for the most part. I only like to dom as much as I know a sub is getting something out of it. Not my kink. Helping D recover was like heaven though. It completely blew me apart to be able to do that. Being openly, deeply affectionate with a range of partners is something I used to take for granted. My whole world used to revolve around that. Consequently, I couldn't sleep for night after night following what happened. I ended up having to apply strict mental discipline to think about anything else. I was about okay when someone else hit me with something that I won't go into but it simultaneously made me ecstatic and broke my heart at the same time. I'm kind of a wreck atm.

I'll talk with my wife again about the love share thing. Presently, as I understand it, she would not be okay with sharing me with another woman romantically. She would also feel left out if we shared sex with others, unless (we should be so lucky luck) it was a couple we really liked or just a guy.

Poly friends would be good. We've talked quite a bit about the potential issues in the polyhell article. I've also thought about them a heck of a lot. I can imagine I'd try my hardest to make sure none of that happens for her, but stuff happens. If she started getting uncomfortable we'd most likely have to cool it with someone we were getting involved with.

You're really helpful. Will most likely read everything you linked to a lot over the next 12 hours
 
Oh, I got a "bad" rating for this thread. Would really appreciate knowing why. :)
 
I do not know. I don't rate threads.

Glad the links help some.

I expected you to answer with "Yes. That is what I meant." or "No. I meant...." Instead I see you attempted to clarify by giving more details about the group sex encounter that were not asked for. Are you able to see how your own communication could be confusing? (Yes or no?)

I still don't know what your wife lacks confidence in. I am going to guess you mean "I think my wife lacks confidence in her communication skills."

If so? I think you and your wife could be best off reading things for now. Not just about poly, but about clear communication. Take a class. Look up Marshal Rosenberg and Non Violent Communication. Meet more people and make friends to exercise communication skills.

Right now it seems like she expects others to guess what she has in mind so she does not have to learn to articulate what is on her mind up front. There is nothing wrong with being shy and slow to warm up to new people. That's just a personality thing. There IS something wrong with not communicating well - it can lead to preventable problems, misunderstandings, getting used, even dangerous situations.

Like an idiot I heard what she said but didn't guess how she was feeling.

She does not say what she means up front. She expects you to mind reader it? And you feel guilty that you do not have that fortune telling ability because you also expect yourself to mind reader her? :confused:

I mean this kindly, ok? But that's kinda messed up expectations for how to communicate.

If she started getting uncomfortable we'd most likely have to cool it with someone we were getting involved with.

If she cannot communicate what is going on with her up front, how would you know she is uncomfortable?

Who is responsible for communicating that fact in bold to potentials? You? You plan to say "My wife is not a good communicator. So I want to make you aware myself that if she gets uncomfortable, we plan to cool things off with you. So.... Want to date her? Me? Us?"

If you cannot effectively communicate while dating? To present what you offer, what you are seeking, what your hard limit dealbreakers are, what are soft limits negotiable over time? That could make finding like minded compatible people who want same as you harder.

I think weak communication skills are a potential drawback. I think you could consider improving them before jumping in.

Galagirl
 
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Reading this thread thus far has been interesting for me. I relate, maybe not in the details, but in the gist of what I'm hearing you say Leander, which to me sounds like you're grounded in being polyamorous but your wife isn't, maybe not yet or maybe never, I don't know. But I guess what came up for me is that I'm struggling with balancing what feels true to me with where my partner is right now, and I recognize that if I choose to pursue being open and poly she has a right to say, "I love you, I'm sorry but I can't be poly too, or I can't share you, or it just doesn't feel true to me." It's scary. But I also recognize that I can't control whether or not she can be where I'd like her to be, that if I choose to live as polyamorous I'm also saying I'm willing to risk this relationship I'm already invested in. That's a vulnerability that I'm not willing to experience right now, but I think at some point it may come to that, and all I can do is be clear, say "This is me, this is who I am, this is what I want, I love you, I want to be with you as well, but I understand if you don't want it too, and will respect your choice to not be poly as I've asked you to respect my choice to live this way."

I guess what I'm saying is it sounds a little like you're trying to get your wife to where she isn't right now, and maybe she'll get there, but maybe the question to ask is "how do I take care of myself right now in this conflict knowing what's best for me is ultimately best for all my relationships, especially my marriage?" But that's just my perspective, a lot of this is new to me too.. Just was really intrigued by this whole thread. Thanks for sharing. :c)
 
I expected you to answer with "Yes. That is what I meant." or "No. I meant...." Instead I see you attempted to clarify by giving more details about the group sex encounter that were not asked for. Are you able to see how your own communication could be confusing? (Yes or no?)

Yes. I'll take the need for clear, concise answers into consideration.

I still don't know what your wife lacks confidence in. I am going to guess you mean "I think my wife lacks confidence in her communication skills."

Not a bad guess. Communication is a difficulty she has in some respects but it is not something that undermines her confidence. Primarily what undermines her confidence, what gives her that performance anxiety I mentioned, is not considering herself desirable enough by her own impossibly high standards.

She does not say what she means up front. She expects you to mind reader it? And you feel guilty that you do not have that fortune telling ability because you also expect yourself to mind reader her? :confused:

Its more that I expect to be able to put myself in her shoes fairly well by this point. It comes in handy when there isn't time for a relaxed talk. If you can imagine, the situation I was describing would have made that hard. It is also not typical. More anecdotal.

If I've made her sound like a terrible communicator, she isn't that bad. Everything you mentioned about what she (and I) would be seeking, dealbreakers, soft limits, etc. would most likely be well understood before any dating happened. Nonetheless, any help with communication skills is always good.
 
Reading this thread thus far has been interesting for me. I relate, maybe not in the details, but in the gist of what I'm hearing you say Leander, which to me sounds like you're grounded in being polyamorous but your wife isn't, maybe not yet or maybe never, I don't know. But I guess what came up for me is that I'm struggling with balancing what feels true to me with where my partner is right now, and I recognize that if I choose to pursue being open and poly she has a right to say, "I love you, I'm sorry but I can't be poly too, or I can't share you, or it just doesn't feel true to me." It's scary. But I also recognize that I can't control whether or not she can be where I'd like her to be, that if I choose to live as polyamorous I'm also saying I'm willing to risk this relationship I'm already invested in. That's a vulnerability that I'm not willing to experience right now, but I think at some point it may come to that, and all I can do is be clear, say "This is me, this is who I am, this is what I want, I love you, I want to be with you as well, but I understand if you don't want it too, and will respect your choice to not be poly as I've asked you to respect my choice to live this way."

I guess what I'm saying is it sounds a little like you're trying to get your wife to where she isn't right now, and maybe she'll get there, but maybe the question to ask is "how do I take care of myself right now in this conflict knowing what's best for me is ultimately best for all my relationships, especially my marriage?" But that's just my perspective, a lot of this is new to me too.. Just was really intrigued by this whole thread. Thanks for sharing. :c)

Thanks for your kind words, Wanderer. Yes, I'd love her to be poly too, and yes, it may never happen. Yes also, she might ask me to accept that at some point. She can do that and I would have to give up. Its not that time, yet. Nonetheless I feel the need to prepare myself for that possibility. Its very painful.

Sounds like you don't need to worry about that so much yet, so don't bother. It sucks, lol.
 
Thanks for clearer responses.

Not a bad guess. Communication is a difficulty she has in some respects but it is not something that undermines her confidence. Primarily what undermines her confidence, what gives her that performance anxiety I mentioned, is not considering herself desirable enough by her own impossibly high standards.

You seem to use the word "confidence" where I would use "self esteem."

Do you mean she is highly self critical?

If so, that is another thing besides communication to work on. To learn to stop talking down to herself about herself and form realistic standards rather than impossible ones.

If she wants good self esteem, she could do esteemable behavior. It is hard to feel proud of you being your own bully. :(

Galagirl
 
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Oh yeh, definitely highly self critical. We both have lots to work on. :)
 
Greetings Leander,
Welcome to our forum. Please feel free to lurk, browse, etc.

Re (from Post #6):
"Oh, I got a 'bad' rating for this thread. Would really appreciate knowing why. :)"

Anyone can (anonymously) give any thread any rating they want, for any or no reason. I don't put much stock in thread ratings. In fact they should probably be done away with, but that's a job for the admins. The rating you got was from just one member, so when you compare that to how many members the site has, you're not getting a good general view of what the members think. I've seen some very good threads get one-star ratings, for no good reason.

If you are unable to practice polyamory but need an outlet for your poly inclinations, perhaps Polyamory.com is one of those outlets. You can read and discuss poly issues with a tremendous range of poly (and monogamous!) people here. That way you're participating in the poly movement, even if you can't practice it in your own personal life.

Though who knows, your wife's perspective might evolve over time. Let's not bank on that, but the point is, the only thing we know about for sure is the present. Take things slow with your wife, and talk to her about polyamory from time to time. Perhaps she'd even be interested in becoming a member here? if it would help.

Anyway, glad to have you with us.
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I would say most people here don't even know there is such a thing as adding a rating to a thread, and the rest of us don't even bother looking at it.

The only time it comes up is when someone says, "Hey, why did I get a crappy rating?" and everyone looks up there and says, "Oh, didn't know that was there!" :D
 
Thanks for all the greets/replies. :)

That rating thing, I asked why I got it sort of hoping that the person who rated would let me know, because I don't like the idea of annoying someone without knowing why. :D I guess that would defeat the purpose of anonymous voting though, so its all good.

If you are unable to practice polyamory but need an outlet for your poly inclinations, perhaps Polyamory.com is one of those outlets. You can read and discuss poly issues with a tremendous range of poly (and monogamous!) people here. That way you're participating in the poly movement, even if you can't practice it in your own personal life.

Though who knows, your wife's perspective might evolve over time. Let's not bank on that, but the point is, the only thing we know about for sure is the present. Take things slow with your wife, and talk to her about polyamory from time to time. Perhaps she'd even be interested in becoming a member here? if it would help.

I'm sure polyamory.com will be helpful. It has been already. My wife just might become a member here at some point. Wouldn't be the first time we end up on the same discussion forum(s).

Ah, there is this, too. I'm a little embarrassed about this thread because I was not in a great state of mind yesterday and blurted lots of things out that I rather regret now. TMI, etc. :eek: In addition, it suddenly doesn't represent the situation I'm in, so its a bad introduction. After talking to my wife last night I learned her perspective and feelings about polyamory have changed considerably, along with quite a few other things. She is both open and welcoming to trying it. Apparently this was in the works for a long while, it just hadn't broke surface tension until now. I am stunned.

Would it be too much trouble if an admin could delete the thread so I can start again? Sorry. :eek:
 
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"After talking to my wife last night I learned her perspective and feelings about polyamory have changed considerably, along with quite a few other things. She is both open and welcoming to trying it."

Well that's a good thing, right?

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"Would it be too much trouble if an admin could delete the thread so I can start again? Sorry. :eek:"

See http://www.polyamory.com/forum/showgroups.php for ways to contact the mods and admins. I'm thinking chances aren't great that they'll delete the thread but I could be wrong and I'm pretty sure they can do it.

Wabi-sabi: Life is all about imperfection ... things that change and throw us off balance when we're not looking. If you get something good out of it, that's a bonus ...
 
Its a very good thing. :D

And you're right. Its not like this is LinkedIn so I'll leave it Wabi-sabied. Having read it back its not actually bad. Its just my mental image of yesterday is basically this:-

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I believe I've had a few days like that. :)
 
I'm glad you're making some progress!
 
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