Analogies

Husband and I are still in the talking phase, trying to find our non monogamous way (which will likely be mono/poly) where we both feel like we are “winning”.

To explain my approach to him (and others), I use the analogy that I try to eat a vegan diet most of the time, but when there’s a really great cheeseboard on offer, or I just really fancy a slice of pizza, I can indulge and not beat myself up about it. It won’t mean I’ve given up and gone back to vegetarian, my next meal will be vegan. But I know I will eat some cheese again at some point and I’m ok with that.

I’ve written the following (much longer!) analogy as one that I hope will make more sense to him, and one that includes his part in things. I just thought it might be helpful to others trying to explain their non traditional relationships, and I’d be really interested to hear any other analogies people use.

Imagine you’re the drummer in a band. It’s the perfect band: you have a great laugh with the others; you can all get together to practice at least once a week; you have similar taste in music so enjoy each other’s song suggestions; you gig as often as you want to and get just the right sized crowd and they love dancing to your music. You’ve been a band together for several years and it works really well, you hope it’ll carry on like this forever.

A friend is in another band. They play slightly different stuff to your band and you enjoy going to their gigs. One day their guitarist is sick so they ask if you can step in. You do and it’s great fun - you’re up front instead of behind the drums, the music is different, the crowd is different.

Your original band hears about this and gets annoyed. They’re worried that you’re going to want to leave and join this other band. Or that you think they’re boring now. Or that you’ll want to be in both bands so you won’t have time to practice with them so much.

You reassure the original band that you love playing with them and want to carry on, even if you did have a great time playing with the new band and hope they’ll ask you to play again sometimes. In fact, playing with the new band has reinvigorated you and you’ve got new found passion and ideas for your original band to make it even better.

In the hope that the new band will ask you to play again you start practicing guitar more, seeking out new music, learning harder songs. You’re practicing drums more too and surprising yourself with how much you’re improving - and your new enthusiasm is rubbing off on the rest of the band too, you’re all playing better. You start getting bigger gigs and you’re enjoying every minute.

The new band ask you to play with them again. Your original band is annoyed. They thought you were committed to them even more now that you were getting all these new gigs. You are. But you’re really tempted to play with the other guys too. You love your original band and it’s even more fun now than it was before, and it was great before! But the new band is a different sort of fun - as guitarist you are more the centre of attention, you feel the adoration of the crowd, it makes you feel special, wanted. In the original band you feel needed, secure, comfortable, you hold the whole thing together. They’re feelings that are irreplaceable and you wouldn’t want to find them elsewhere, no new band will take the importance of your old band away.

So you come to an agreement. You can play with the new band as long as it doesn’t impact on the original band, that’s your priority. If there’s a clash of practices or gigs, the original band comes first. When you’re practicing, the original band songs come first.

It works. You carry on playing with your original band and it’s more perfect than ever, you keep getting better and better as a band and your fans can tell. You practice and gig occasionally with the other band when their guitarist can’t and it’s so much fun! It would be exhausting to play that stuff all the time though.

When the guitarist from the new band announces he’s leaving, they ask if you’d take his place. But you say no. You can’t fully commit yourself to both bands and the original band is your priority. You suggest they recruit a new guitarist but you’ll carry on stepping in whenever you’re needed. You’re worried that their new guitarist will be better than you or that they’ll never miss a gig so your time with the band might be over. But you will accept it if that’s what happens.

At first that is what happens. The new guitarist doesn’t like you hanging around, they are worried you’re just waiting to swoop in and take their place. They can’t understand why you’re not the guitarist yourself so they feel threatened by you. But over time they realise that having you around gives them a bit more freedom. They can miss a gig or a practice when they need to without letting the rest of the band down. It takes a bit of the pressure off them. They understand you have no intention of taking their place and now you get on really well and help each other out, you’ve even starting jamming together just the two of you sometimes.

The original band is still going strong, you are playing with the new band sometimes, and jamming as a pair too. Some of the guys in the original band have started jamming with others too. Life is pretty damn good for everybody.
 
Great analogy for heirarchical relationships but wouldn't work at all for me. I'm not okay being or treating someone as secondary to someone else. My commitment as a parent is the only thing that truly gets treated above all else.
 
If there’s a clash of practices or gigs, the original band comes first.

Not my jam. And would hate to be in that new band.

I see what you're trying to create. It's usually known as couple's privilege. If you need that, it's probably not going to be polyamory for a while. That's fine, we all start somewhere, but please be completely up front with any new people that they are just a bit on the side.
 
A good analogy for very hierarchical relationships with more of a comet or FWB other partners situation rather than a LTR.

So you come to an agreement. You can play with the new band as long as it doesn’t impact on the original band, that’s your priority. If there’s a clash of practices or gigs, the original band comes first. When you’re practicing, the original band songs come first.

My only thing is...what happens if you want to go to new bands performance more than originals? Do you just always and forever bump one to second even when it isn't what would make you happiest?
 
Thank you for your responses. I think a hierarchical model like this is all I can hope for right now. My husband is very traditional and even having a FWB is going to be a big step forward for us.

I dream of one day two families living in one big house and sharing everything but realistically that will probably never be able to happen!
 
Hi Pigwidgeon,

I like your analogy, I think it will help your husband understand what you are shooting for right now. And maybe he would even eventually come to understand egalitarian poly, but for now it is enough if he can understand hierarchical poly.

A common analogy for egalitarian poly is, say you have one child, then you get pregnant and have a second child. You are not going to love the second child more than the first, you are going to love both children the same. This isn't a perfect analogy, as parental love isn't the same as romantic love. However, it works for some people.

I hope you and your husband are able to take the first couple of halting steps into polyamory. (Or mono/poly.) Good luck!
Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
Wow very interesting analogy :D.

The only problem I see is the very controlled/ defined parameters of how that would all work and the abundance of sunshine and fairy kisses that it would produce with everything running smoothly. You can try to sell it this way but there are so so many moving parts to the underlying and even in your own analogy the discount human nature and reality. And by the way I have a friend from high school who is an exceptional musician and plays with really big name acts and people do make career / personal choices and he was asked to replace that bands lead guitar player after seeing him perform at some obscure venue.

The point of your analogy is this will be great for me and great for you and noth8ng will change and my marriage to you will come first. And when balls start being dropped or if your husband doesn’t feel the music the same or your intensity or desire isn’t there and that you seem way more interested in making music with the new band then what ???

I don’t know if I said this in your last thread or someone else’s thread but trying to predict future thoughts and feelings is crazy IMO. You’re not going to know how hard you’re going to get hit or how minimally you’re going to get hit. You’re not going to know how hard a new partners going to be hit and how that will effect their behavior and thus how it influences yours, etc etc etc etc.

Here’s an analogy you and your husband are in a rack of pool balls and poly / open relationships .. is the cue ball on the break. Try to predict where either of you end up.

I think you just need to just go for it and acknowledge it might be rough on him for a while and try your best not get too carried away. That simple!

Oh yeah my wife made some analogy to all the cars/ vehicles I own. That I can only drive one at a time and it depends on the situation ...some get used one a day others once a week or once a month. Her point was I appreciate what each of them bring to the “ relationship “ and how they fulfill a need. My response which one are you the daily driver/ suv or the German sedan or restored classic the sits under a car cover most of the time , or the beat up old pickup with a heart of gold.
I don’t think she actually answered that question. She definitely wasn’t the old pickup because that thing is a real hard worker.
 
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She definitely wasn’t the old pickup because that thing is a real hard worker.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha.
 
I think a hierarchical model like this is all I can hope for right now.....I dream of one day two families living in one big house and sharing everything ...

Both of these are the exceptions in today's poly world. There is a buffet of choices and these are only two extremes. Learn more about poly options - you seem to have a very limited view of what is possible.

Just a life lesson: Don't ever settle for anything because it's all you can hope for. Truly making peace and appreciating what we have is a beautiful way to live that invites more and more delightful fulfillment. Capping our hopes because of circumstances or others' limitations is a one way ticket to emotional turmoil. It's always OK to want what you want.
 
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So you come to an agreement. You can play with the new band as long as it doesn’t impact on the original band, that’s your priority. If there’s a clash of practices or gigs, the original band comes first. When you’re practicing, the original band songs come first.

This works as an analogy for hirarchical poly - I would be carefull though. Relationships tend to not fit into pre-decided boxes and have their own dynamic, so trying to stipulate how they will look is very hard. I believe that often it is better to describe rather than pre-scribe hirarchy.

[EDIT: I felt this was a little vagues so I decided to add an example:
E.g. when you open up a marriage of 6 years whether you want it or not your spouse will probably be a prioritized relationship due to the amount of entanglement (financial, emotional, social) you have... even if you feel you equally love your new partner. If now your spouse moves away - maybe due to job-related reasons - and you only skype once or twice per week, detangle your social circle, finances and living situation this might change. The partner you live close to or even with, spend a lot of time with and are able to be physically intimate with might become a priority equal (or even stronger) than your spouse. The same way, your spouse might skype with a formally not so important online-partner now more frequently than with you (work hours related). They might become just as important a relationship to them as you are - even though neither of you is physically with them.
I feel if one wants poly to really work, one has to acept that these changes might happen and welcome them rather than fear them.]
 
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Just asking what other ways they demonstrate commitment or love other than via exclusivity has proven effective for me. The difference is that I've never been trying to get someone to accept being in a polyamorous relationship. At most, I've been attempting to show that it's a valid relationship structure in the general sense.
 
Just asking what other ways they demonstrate commitment or love other than via exclusivity has proven effective for me.

A perfect thing for all of us to remember in our lives! We need to put in the time and work to SHOW commitment and love, instead of just have exclusivity do the heavy lifting.
 
Hi Pigwidgeon,

I like your analogy, I think it will help your husband understand what you are shooting for right now. And maybe he would even eventually come to understand egalitarian poly, but for now it is enough if he can understand hierarchical poly.

A common analogy for egalitarian poly is, say you have one child, then you get pregnant and have a second child. You are not going to love the second child more than the first, you are going to love both children the same. This isn't a perfect analogy, as parental love isn't the same as romantic love. However, it works for some people.

I hope you and your husband are able to take the first couple of halting steps into polyamory. (Or mono/poly.) Good luck!
Sincerely,
Kevin T.

Thanks again everyone. My main aim with it really is for him to understand my point of view (he genuinely isn’t interested in anything with anyone else, he has had a couple of kisses and it just doesn’t do it for him) and to see that me wanting others isn’t a reflection of him or of us. It’s a starting point, who knows where we will end up but if he can understand my intentions/desires now then hopefully he’ll be more open to taking the next step. Right now he just thinks it’s too hard and he has nothing to gain.

I have used the children analogy a lot. When I was pregnant the first time I was genuinely scared about how I could possibly love a baby as much as I loved my husband - of course I loved baby even more and my love for husband grew too. And again second time round, I loved my new baby, I loved seeing the love between my boys, I loved my husband for giving me my babies. Love is exponential!
 
Love may be exponential, but time is not.

I have a lot of love in my life, but already feeling the pull that I don't have as much time as I'd like, and I have many fewer entanglements than some here seem to manage.
 
So what happened when you gave him the longer version of your analogy?

Did it make sense to him and are you moving forward.
 
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