Asking out my wife's friend

BleedingLove

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My wife and I have only been poly for about 6 months now, we had a pretty rough start as I am a traditionally monogamous individual and she identifies as poly, though it didn't come to light until 4 years into our marriage and just after having a child.

Long story short she has been seeing another man for 3 months now, he is married and the four of us get along really well. We have even spent evenings with each others families as friends. I am now getting more comfortable with this and have been thinking about allowing myself to date as well. It has been a ling journey of self growth, but now I have expressed that I have a crush on my wife's long-time friend. We have joked in the past about trying to have her join us as our "unicorn", but now I am thinking that I would actually like to ask her out. My wife seems a little uncomfortable with the idea, as neither of us know if she would be into it at all.

Any advice??
 
I can understand your wife's reluctance. It's one thing to joke about something or fantasize about it....it's totally different to actually do it. I think I'd look elsewhere to date, if I were you. Just the act of asking her out will impact your wife's friendship. Actually dating, even more so. Regardless of what happens/does not happen in a relationship between the two of you, it will have an impact on your wife's relationship with the friend.

Close friends are my support network. They're the 'safe' people in my life that I can count on to have my back, to tell me like it is, and to be there when I need them (and vice versa.) One of those people suddenly becoming my metamore would have made them no longer my 'safe' people. This is why my close friends and family were on the 'do not date list' for Blue when we were together.
 
I agree with PinkPig. If your wife is uncomfortable with you asking her friend out it might be best to not do it.

With my husband and I that's one agreement that we both made each other, we will not date each other's friends, or mutual friends because we do not want those relationships to change or become impacted in a way that would put stress on the friendship.
 
When I was in a similar situation my wife was fine with it. The friend was interested, but felt funny about it. She didn't get the whole poly thing. We never dated but we did run into each other when we were both out and made out a little. She was afraid my wife would be mad.

It can be tricky when it comes to friends. Cat had a quasi threesome with a friend and his girlfriend. She was more interested in the girlfriend and the friend didn't participate much. However, the friend ended up not wanting to hang with us when I was in town. We always knew he had a crush on her, but when he finally got somewhere he became very jealous of me.
 
It is easier to experience NRE than be the partner of someone experiencing NRE. Add a close friend to the mix and it has the potential to cause a lot of hurt in all directions. Friendship is one kind of intimacy and a sexual relationship is a whole different level. There can be insecurity about "losing the friend" to you in addition to any potential insecurity around you initiating a new relationship.

In your place, I'd ask myself long and hard why I want this particular woman, and if the answer is an honest attraction, I'd go about seeing how I could bring the wife on the same page before initiating things with the friend.

Be aware that no matter how it unfolds, it will definitely change existing dynamics between the three of you. Be certain you're willing to risk that.
 
I think why not go for it. What better way to get your feet wet with a woman you already have a built in attraction to and a quasi relationship with. Meaning you already think she is fun, interesting, attractive/sexy and you might know some of her interests. And with your wife identifying as poly I'm sure she can appreciate the laws of attraction vs some silly uncomfortableness left over from her mono days. It's hard to rate discomfort but I doubt it would be any worse for her to adjust to this as it was for you to adjust to her identifying as poly and then putting that into practice. Your own word stating that it was pretty rough. This sounds really quite mild and may occur no matter who you date.


I think everyone should / could look at this as an opportunity for great growth for her.

People here talk about not carrying your partners emotional baggage. Rule 1 ) Communicate communicate communicate. Rule 2 compartmentalize.
 
I think dating your spouse's or nesting partner's bff is just a bad idea as dating someone from the office. Worse in some ways.

It all depends on how the relationship goes. Most romantic relationships do not last a lifetime. So, let's say you date and fuck wife's bff for a while, but you break up after a time. IF you're lucky, the breakup is amicable, and things can probably go back to normal. If it's not amicable, and you end up really disliking each other, it would be terribly awkward for all 3 of you.

Most successful experienced polys (and dingedheart is not one of those afaik) agree upon a "messy list" of non-datables, that usually involves good friends of your partners, and family members.
 
I have a messy list. I would never date a partners friend. I also will not date coworkers.
 
I think it is okay to date one's partner's friends or even their family. Certainly there are risks, but there are benefits as well.
 
It can work out. It might work out. But if it doesn't work out, there's all sorts of rifts -- possibly to the point where none of you is willing to speak to the others, ever again.

So long as that is acceptable to all three of you, there's nothing wrong with giving it a shot.
 
I have expressed that I have a crush on my wife's long-time friend.

I disagree with the general "don't date friends" sentiment. Relationships don't get messy because you've known each other and been emotionally intimate for years - they get messy because people have a whole crate of expectations when it comes to "romantic interest" and they aren't adequately expressed.
 
I think dating your spouse's or nesting partner's bff is just a bad idea as dating someone from the office. Worse in some ways.

It all depends on how the relationship goes. Most romantic relationships do not last a lifetime. So, let's say you date and fuck wife's bff for a while, but you break up after a time. IF you're lucky, the breakup is amicable, and things can probably go back to normal. If it's not amicable, and you end up really disliking each other, it would be terribly awkward for all 3 of you.

Most successful experienced polys (and dingedheart is not one of those afaik) agree upon a "messy list" of non-datables, that usually involves good friends of your partners, and family members.

Unlike you mags I respect your opinion and experience and yes afaik is right. I don't feel the need nor do I have the time to blog about every dinner date, kiss or blow job. And I think its important to add that just as the lack of information makes people want to judge we shouldn't judge those who have graciously decided to share their experiences, regardless of how desperate, sad and pathetic some of their encounters make them look.


I couple things jumped out at me reading the original thread post that perhaps the "messy list" club might have missed. 1) he/they had a rough start and now is one of the newly converted. 2) wife IDENTIFIES AS POLY 3) so green he doesn't know the ploy cards are stacked against him.

1) I thought why not give the poor guy a little encouragement. Yes the deck is stacked hugely against him in this endeavor with the wife friend and dating women in general. All facts. #2 His wife isnt saying this is a one off or an affair just " happened " and shes feeling her way along. She's claiming this as part of her identity. I think the messy list club are very much under estimating how great an asset this would be jump over any silly hang ups she or her friend might have.
To me its a completely different level of compartmentalization. And IMO I think it would greatly help in this situation. I also think it would go a long way in helping him adjust to the new dynamic. Seeing things form her side of the coin.


Also anyone who has ever held a job or thought about holding a job in the last 100 yrs or longer has heard the caution about work place romances and yet they still happen. Why? because of proximity and time and natural emotions. Millions of people have found lasting love /relationships in breaking that rule.
AND Yes it can be uncomfortable after a break up especially when there's pictures involved. ( I still cant believe she did that to me ) Oh well I got razed by the animals for a week or so. Oh well what comes around goes around I'm certainly not against giving someone shit. :D


Why is it people seem more interested in the wife's feelings and her relationship with her friend than the OP attraction and enthusiasm. And why is that given more validity or standing ??

I wonder how we can modify the food analogy or the love of multiple children analogy to cover the messy list. I cant think of any thing clever right this second but I think it only fair to add during the poly sales job to tamp down any expectations.
 
If I had a "messy list" it would practically guarantee that I would meet and fall in love with someone on it. That is why I look at every possible interaction on it's own merits.
 
Reductionistic thinking is sooooo pointless...:rolleyes:

Look, there's JOBS, & then there's JOBS. I once worked for a very large insurance company, that at its peak had 600+ employees spread throughout a very large four-storey building. We were always running off to some meeting or training session, or heading down to the paper archives. Though it was an "open floor" cubicle setup, I could go a day or three without even seeing a friend who worked 40 feet away.

The corporate heirarchy was quite flat, so big bunches of us had very similar seniority & authority.

A failed affair would have had minimal opportunity for awkwardness. Sure, if one of the participants had ranted to co-workers about what a jerk the former co-participant was, there could have been repercussions for distracting people from their (well-paid) work. If the company decided to keep everyone employed, the ex-lovers could have been separated by about an eighth of a mile (& a few floors), under one roof. Other companies might give a troublemaker the option of going to a different facility or taking another shift.

But things would be a whole lot different in a small office. Where do you go? How do you deal with the potentially vast mix of desire, regret, anger, chagrin...? And considering the rising number of businesses claiming to be an expression of "Christian" values, how will it go for you when your ex-FWB outs you to the boss?
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I have always been bothered by demonstrations of propinquity. Basically, if two random people see each other on a regular basis -- like same apartment floor, classes, workplace -- they are vastly more likely to talk themselves into believing this is some sort of Fate. :rolleyes:

Me, I'm more of a Westermarck effect guy, & I don't have too much difficulty distinguishing proximity warmth from desire (sexual, emotional, whatever). Because I have to live with, work near, or see someone on a regular basis, I am lesslikely to let any interest grow past vague interest -- I don't want those transient little feelings to damage a good working relationship. At work, I'm not one to regularly join a group for lunch or for a beer after work.

IMO, propinquity leads many peple to talk themselves into intimacy that would have been very ill-advised if any degree of objectivity (as opposed to Romantic blindness) had been allowed to shine.
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And it's pretty much the same for "wife's best friend."

Firstly, with no personal experience at maintaining nonmonogamous relating -- & (apparently) blessed little such experience in the vicinity! -- I'd say BleedingLove is fighting a steep learning curve. That is to say, there's GONNA be mistakes.

My guess is that exactly NONE of these people is particularly good at communicating openly & deeply -- not from lack of good intentions, but because Monogamist society doesn't require it, & in fact often discourages it.

Breaking free of those strictures can be messy. Learning how to communicate takes LOTS of practice & involves many dead ends, & therefore requires that everyone in the exercise be committed to working past the problems & learning to understand each other (& thus better understand yet others in future).

Nailing the nearest available chick is NOT consonant with that.
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Let's not overlook a common noob problem. I'm often seen (at close hand) how one part of The Sacred Couple drops the "poly or else" bomb then magically hooks up with a life partner soon thereafter...

...but when the OTHER half starts dating, the first partner gets all SORTS of bent outta shape, imposes rules, makes demands, expects to have more freedom to act AND more control over the home, & so on.

What happens if (when?) BleedingLove does actually make things work out with his spouse's BFF, & the wife starts getting underfoot?

Moreso, what happens if BleedingLove relationship goes clicking right along but his SO's blows up, & she demands they BOTH return to monogamy?

I've seen it happen. And I've seen it mentioned in these forums.
 
I couple things jumped out at me reading the original thread post that perhaps the "messy list" club might have missed.
:confused: The only reason you could possibly have made that statement is to set yourself up as being Really Smart in a gaggle of drooling illiterates. For instance:
1) he/they had a rough start and now is one of the newly converted.
Umm... that's a "well, DUH" moment, considering the root post clearly says
we had a pretty rough start
However, it's a ludicrous overreach to say the OP is "converted" -- he never actually refers to himself as poly... which is kinda bloody obvious, neh?

And you say people also somehow didn't see
2) wife IDENTIFIES AS POLY
and she identifies as poly
Thanks, Captain Ob(li)vious -- couldn't have done it without you. :rolleyes:
She's claiming this as part of her identity. I think the messy list club are very much under estimating how great an asset this would be jump over any silly hang ups she or her friend might have.
Anyone can CLAIM whatever the hell they want to claim. Waiting FOUR YEARS -- more, actually, assuming they met before the wedding ceremony :p -- to spring the "I'm poly!" card suggests to me that she's using polyamory as an excuse rather than expression of deeply-held beliefs.

And what is itthat leads you to claim that the wife's (non-)experience as polyamorous means that her BFF is going to benefit?
To me its a completely different level of compartmentalization.
IMNSHO, that's inherently anti-polyamory --
Compartmentalization is an unconscious psychological defense mechanism used to avoid cognitive dissonance, or the mental discomfort and anxiety caused by a person's having conflicting values, cognitions, emotions, beliefs, etc. within themselves ... by inhibiting direct or explicit acknowledgement and interaction between separate compartmentalized self states.
Anything that limits self-awareness goes against poyamory, QED.
Why is it people seem more interested in the wife's feelings and her relationship with her friend than the OP attraction and enthusiasm. And why is that given more validity or standing ??
And now you are simply making shit up wholesale. Yours is post #12 -- it is THE ONLY POST that brings up "the wife's feelings".
 
I think everyone should / could look at this as an opportunity for great growth for her.

It's a risk either way, right? We risk getting hurt or making ourselves look like dumbasses to our peers, or we risk missing out on great experiences by sticking rigidly to our list of "no-nos".

Which is more risky?

For me, I've had good results from taking risks AND trying to avoid harm. Fortunately everyone gets to answer that for themselves.
 
dinged, since you "don't have time" to mention you are now poly dating, IF you are, yet do have time to criticise those of us who are openly and rather successfully poly, you must excuse us when we continue to assume you are still maintaining the role of a cuckolded cheated upon guy, as you so openly shared some years back, and have remained single as a result of your bitterness and broken heart.

ARE you poly? Or do you just come here to troll?
 
I appreciate all of the feedback from everyone, and although it seems that the topic is beginning to stray a bit, I do mean from everyone.

This is a tough decision, my wife seems fine with me asking her out but has told me that as well as she knows her friend, she doesn't think she will go for it. Her friend is a traditional monogamist and in her opinion doesn't seem the type to stray from that. She knows that we are not monogamous and has even known about our "swinging" in the past.

As of now I am leaning more towards letting things be as they are. My wife has teased me about putting a feeler out for me though, so I am curious if shes being sincere about that lol
 
I appreciate all of the feedback from everyone, and although it seems that the topic is beginning to stray a bit, I do mean from everyone.

This is a tough decision, my wife seems fine with me asking her out but has told me that as well as she knows her friend, she doesn't think she will go for it. Her friend is a traditional monogamist and in her opinion doesn't seem the type to stray from that. She knows that we are not monogamous and has even known about our "swinging" in the past.

As of now I am leaning more towards letting things be as they are. My wife has teased me about putting a feeler out for me though, so I am curious if shes being sincere about that lol


Yes its very unfortunate that things have strayed into personal attacks and insults ....but hey at least it wasn't at you directly. :D :D As you can see there are a few member with very strong opinions and assumptions who don't like to be challenged and when you do they go out of their way to get even. My crime was posting support for a newbie and then disliking that my comment was dismissed by name at which point I pushed back. Had I taken the insult none of this would have happened. I hope this doesn't discourage you or anyone else from commenting or writing threads.

I think you wife's attitude is a very encourage sign as you both move forward. GOOD luck to you both.:D
 
:confused: The only reason you could possibly have made that statement is to set yourself up as being Really Smart in a gaggle of drooling illiterates. For instance:

Umm... that's a "well, DUH" moment, considering the root post clearly says

However, it's a ludicrous overreach to say the OP is "converted" -- he never actually refers to himself as poly... which is kinda bloody obvious, neh?

And you say people also somehow didn't see


Thanks, Captain Ob(li)vious -- couldn't have done it without you. :rolleyes:

Anyone can CLAIM whatever the hell they want to claim. Waiting FOUR YEARS -- more, actually, assuming they met before the wedding ceremony :p -- to spring the "I'm poly!" card suggests to me that she's using polyamory as an excuse rather than expression of deeply-held beliefs.

And what is itthat leads you to claim that the wife's (non-)experience as polyamorous means that her BFF is going to benefit?

IMNSHO, that's inherently anti-polyamory --

Anything that limits self-awareness goes against poyamory, QED.

And now you are simply making shit up wholesale. Yours is post #12 -- it is THE ONLY POST that brings up "the wife's feelings".

MY my you had some fun..:D.... I think this is one of your better moments.
I feel so diminished:( NOT :D

So let me get this straight you disliked my defense/logic of my original comment/opinion after it and I was dismissed by a fellow member?

Thank you for pointing out the HUGE semantic violation with the use of the word converted. :eek:
Its probably one of the few things you dont actually know because of you entry into the open or poly lifestyle (although I'm sure that doesn't matter). For those starting out mono , being mono for many years and then being confronted with that new reality and to go beyond accepting to the point of wanting to jump into the pool yourself is IMO ...stressing here MY OPINION a conversion or sorts.

you said IMNSHO. When was the last time you opinion was humble? see I can do that shit too :D But seriously I think Mags has raised an interesting point of members poly experiences being "valid " or current. So your opinion of whats anti poly needs to be reviewed with much more detailed information. As you point out anyone ( you included ) can CLAIM whatever the hell they want. The picture your blog paints is you living with various women in an open environment starting in college and for a number of yrs after.
Sorry but your experience might not qualify as "being" poly enough :rolleyes:

I m not sure now this vetting should occur but please dont post photos because in dont want to end up feeling sorry for you.

Have a Nice day :D
 
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