Changing Feelings-- Triad to Vee

So good to hear from you.

Hey Peabean. Oh man, the guilt! It's what we're up against now. There's been a lot of that flying around, which none of us really expected. Phoebe has been feeling guilty for not feeling the same love for both of us; I've been feeling guilty for needing any rules at all; Owen's been feeling guilty for being so caught up in NRE. It doesn't seem to matter how much we all reassure each other; we're all always worrying about how everyone else feels. First we worked to protect boundaries, now we're working to disassemble them. We'll get there, but holy hiccups, Hannah!

There's been no individual dating as of yet, but I kind of like that idea. I see how it could really foster intimacy and a "break" for all of us, while still bonding on the whole. I will bring that idea to them when we do some more werk!
 
Thanks so much for sharing.

I want to share with you how I deal with guilt. The first question I ask myself is: "Is this realistic or unrealistic guilt?"

Thoughts and limiting beliefs have a lot to do with feelings.

Realistic guilt is necessary and can be worked through in a conscious manner. "This too shall pass." And it will pass.

Unrealistic guilt is a waste of energy.

Keep sharing, and hang in there!
 
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Please tag away, folks. Anyone can tag. Whee, it's fun! :D:rolleyes:
 
BaggagePatrol: please stop blaming yourself and feeling guilty. Your feelings sound quite reasonable.

The first thing I would suggest is scheduling date nights for just you and Owen. You don't necessarily need to go out anywhere, but you could. And these should be nights where you talk about yourselves and each other, not Phoebe.

The idea would be to generate more excitement and connection of your own with Owen. It must be REALLY annoying to see him staying up til midnight talking to Phoebe, when you know if it were just you and him, he'd crash and go to bed at 9:00 pm.

Also you should schedule time for just you and Phoebe to bond without Owen there.

And then Owen and Phoebe can also have a night to themselves while you pursue something on your own-- whether it's just watching TV, making new friends, working on a fun project, or going on your own dates.

Don't feel guilty! It sounds like they're trying to be really considerate of you, but they also sound, well... goofy and self-involved.
 
Yes, the guilt can be ridiculous at times! I think it's just a phase of the relationship, where we're not really having NRE anymore, but we're still concerned that everyone's feelings are constantly 'positive,' which is crap, because in what relationship is every person happy all the time??? Not in any mono relationships I know! So why such high expectations from a poly relationship?

I think now is definitely the time to start thinking about nurturing the relationships within the relationship. At first, Phoebe was resistant to this idea too. She felt like 'Why do we need to do this?' But once we started, she became the biggest proponent of date night. We now try to get each of the 3 couples a date every 2 weeks. This works out to 4 dates a month for each of us, which is quite ambitious, given that Owen and I have a 3-year old, and we all have full time jobs.

It really does bring a nice energy to the relationship(s), plus it gives us one-on-one time with our kid, to do something special on the nights we stay home.

I've grown much closer to Owen through all of this, because it gives us alone time. I've also grown closer to Phoebe. This time lets us foster our sensuality without the testosterone in the mix, if you know what I mean.
 
Annnd... it's getting worse

Another weekend together, and I am growing increasingly uncomfortable. I am actually starting to believe that I don't even want to be around them anymore! I can feel myself withdrawing. While I know that it's ridiculous on one level, I feel, well... trapped. I think I am not just not into the NRE anymore; I think I don't actually want to be around it at all. It's making me edgy and cranky, and feeling like I just want to get away from the whole situation. I feel like I'm losing ground on my sanity a little bit.

It's been a tough few weeks, and while I'm not against doing the hard work, I honestly don't even know if I want to do this work at all. I do like Phoebe, but I have a lot of people in my life that I like, and I am not spending every weekend of my life with them! I want my life to get back into a bit more of a balance. We've been hanging out with her almost exclusively for some time now, and the last month or so, it's really been grinding on me. I'd love to have a dinner party with a group of friends, or just have a quiet weekend at home with Owen, or maybe just the TWO of us have a fun night away. (Great suggestions there-- we've totally gotten out of the habit in that regard.)

In a lot of ways, it's starting to feel like Phoebe is Owen's girlfriend, with whom I go to bed once or twice on the weekend. She and he talk endlessly, hug and cuddle, and give each other moonie goonie eyes, while I kind of do my own thing, because being around that drives me nuts! It is SO BORING if you're not into it! It's like watching a romantic comedy, without ANY FREAKIN' COMEDY. When she and I are alone together, it's just kind of awkward.

I don't know... I guess this is the part where they start dating on their own. I'm not sure how I feel about that, but I'm kind of done being a third wheel with my own freaking husband. LOL 😒

Sigh... I guess this is why most people don't do this. It's tough shizz.
 
It's starting to feel like Phoebe is Owen's girlfriend, with whom I go to bed once or twice during the weekend. She and he talk endlessly, hug and cuddle, and give each other moonie goonie eyes, while I kind of do my own thing, because being around that drives me nuts! It's SO BORING if you're not into it! It's like watching a romantic comedy, without ANY FREAKIN' COMEDY. When she and I are alone together, it's just kind of awkward.

I don't know... I guess this is the part where they start dating on their own. I'm not sure how I feel about that, but I'm kind of done being a third wheel with my own freaking husband. 😒

Sigh. I guess this is why most people don't do this. It's tough shizz.
Yup, it sure sounds like it. Why not plan a nice date for you and Owen, once a week (or whatever works), and then plan to get about your own stuff? You could plan some time with both of them in a couple of weeks, but in the meantime, shuffle him off to her place, or get yourself out of the house when she is around, and meet up with some of the people you have been neglecting because of her. Then regroup and see if it's more natural to be a Vee. If so, then it would be time to negotiate what that looks like, in terms of time management and boundaries.
 
I am glad you checked back in. I am sorry it's still uncomfortable for you in your "triad becoming a V."

Now is the time for you to insist on some focused attention from Owen. Even though he and Phoebe are in NRE, it won't kill them to take a week off-- it really won't! If I were you, I'd request he take a week off from seeing her altogether, and spend focused time with you, and your kid.

I'm in NRE with one of my lovers, and I only see him once a week. I don't live with my primary (Pixi); we each have our own places. So, I see Ginger midweek at my place, for an overnight, and see Pixi for several days each week, over a long weekend.

Owen and Phoebe seem to have a bit of understanding about NRE, but since they don't want to be apart, they've been insisting the NRE is handled by you being around them and immersed in their passion. Obviously this isn't working.

Unless she's a cowgirl, Phoebe should respect your primary relationship and allow you and Owen some space. He also should come home to you, spend time with you alone, in order to keep your pair bond healthy, intact and fun! It's his duty and also should be his pleasure, to talk to YOU, hug YOU, snuggle YOU and date YOU.
 
I love you guys

This forum is such a great sounding board. I am loving the feedback and the positive suggestions to keep things real.

Owen did see this thread, NYCindie. It totally freaked me out at first, as this is the place that I was coming to to rant. But it's all good now, and he and I have had some good talks.

Unfortunately, I just don't think that I want to keep going with this. This makes me feel crappy, as I know that it's going to ruin it for everyone. But I just can't keep fooling myself that time will make it go away. I am not going to constantly give up my own sanity for the sake of trying to make everyone else happy.

I know how much Owen is into Phoebe. I also know that he isn't willing to have an independent relationship with her. So if I'm not into it, it's over! It's too much freakin' responsibility for me. But if I can't handle being around the two of them, I wonder if I'm just not cut out for this whole thing, y'know? I like the idea, but now that I'm in the middle of it, I seem to just be the lamest ever at this.

Sigh. Big sigh. Double sigh. I'm on a break right now, taking space.

Owen is stressing about whether he should take space from Phoebe. He doesn't want to. He just wants to keep on hookin' up, y'know? But he's a good guy, and doesn't want to mess me up. He is just in love and can't really help how he's feeling trapped, too.

UGH. LE BIG UGH. Where's the handbook? I would SERIOUSLY like a counsellor who specializes in poly.

Does anyone know of a Skyper that would chat with me about this? I am feeling like a loser, as this was MY FREAKIN' IDEA, and it's exploded like hairspray on a plane.
 
Well, hon, I think the biggest mistake you guys made was all that frickin' togetherness. I think it is always good to have autonomy and independence in relationships (whether poly or mono). This whole thing would probably have worked out much better if they hadn't spent so much time together-- right up in your face the whole time. I bet you could handle Owen having a gf if they only saw each other once or twice a week, and went off and did their own thing, respecting your need for time alone, and dates with him by yourself.

Breathing room. Maybe you can renegotiate it that way. And you might want to make yourself available to meet someone else for you to date separately.
 
Unfortunately, I just don't think that I want to keep going with this. I know that it's going to ruin it for everyone, but I just cant keep fooling myself that time will make it go away. I am not going to constantly give up my own sanity for the sake of trying to make everyone else happy. I know how much Owen is into her, and he isn't willing to have an independent relationship with her. So if I'm not into it.... it's over! If I can't handle being around the two of them, I wonder if I'm just not cut out for this whole thing, y'know? I like the idea, but now that I'm in the middle of it, I seem to just be the lamest ever at this.

Sigh. Big sigh. Double sigh. I'm on a break right now, taking space. Owen is stressing about whether he should take space from Phoebe. He doesn't want to. He just wants to keep on hookin' up. But he's a good guy, and doesn't want to mess me up. He is just in love and can't really help how he's feeling trapped, too.

Do you not want to keep going with polyamory altogether? Or do you just not want to be involved as much in the current relationship with Owen and Phoebe? If it's the second one, that doesn't make you not cut out for anything.

I think the worst thing in group dating is it's so awkward for one person to want to disentangle themselves from the situation. I'd just look at it like this: if you were dating a person, and single, if you didn't want to date them, you'd stop dating them, and if you didn't want to hang out with them all the time after you broke up, you'd stop hanging out with them.

I do hope Owen will take a bit of a break from Phoebe, if that is what you want-- a bit of time to really be able to talk without distractions, to be able to get clear on what you each want from the situation, and negotiate how everybody can move forward in a healthy way.

Er... wait! Why won't he have an independent relationship with her? That's really his problem, his choice? I think that would be the second I refused to be intimate with her again, from what you've said.

For example, my ex used to feel guilty if he smoked pot and I didn't. He wanted me to SHARE the experience with him. So even though I said I wasn't interested in doing it more than once a week, he'd peer pressure me into smoking much more often than I'd stated my boundaries were at, which caused a lot of stress and irritation on my part.
 
Right, and right again.

NYCindie, you are SO RIGHT. I know for a fact that if we hadn't had spent so much time together as a threesome, that it would have progressed at a more reasonable speed, and it wouldn't have slipped away from my comfort zone so fast. How could we not screw it up with us being together all the time, and not having a clue about how to balance out what everyone was feeling?

Plus, I'm a girl who needs some serious alone time, y'know? There just wasn't enough of that for me, and I think it started screwing with my head.

Anneintherain, I think, on some level,Owen would go for a one-on-one relationship with Phoebe, but a) he would prefer for us to all work it out, and b) he's worried that it would mess me up even more.

And yeah! I totes feel that peer pressure when we are all together. I like hot sexin,' don't get me wrong, but multiple times in a day/weekend gets to be a bit much for me, when I'm not the one in NRE. I want to hang out, and do other things, but the pressure for the sex is ALWAYS THERE. It makes me irritable and resentful that I "have to" go along with it, so that they can get what they want. I did start pressuring them to just hook up on their own. But I don't think that I am emotionally ready for that, either.

I just didn't know what to do! I feel like a squirrel trapped in a sex cage. Aaaaaaghhhh!!!

I wonder how much of this stems from being jealous, that I don't share that same za-za-zoo that they do, and that it irks me. I want to be ready to just let them have their own thing, but I'm torn, because I really LIKED us all being together.

I don't know what to do...

Taking a break seems like the best option for me right now, because when I act from a place of instability, I just can't get clear about myself.

I am trying to do all of the internal work that I need to do, trying to be honest with myself about where this is all coming from, inside of me, and what I can actually deal with.

It's not that I don't want to be poly anymore. I just never expected it to be so intense. I feel like I'm ruining everything.

Panicky.
 
It doesn't sound like you are ruining anything. And you may be feeling jealous, but that certainly doesn't seem to be something that's really coming across in your posts. It seems more like you're focusing on trying to figure out how to create boundaries, to give yourself the space you need, and keep from being swamped with the other's NRE.

You seem to be doing an admirable job. Just keep not having sex if you don't want to have sex. Hopefully Owen can understand that's going to cause more resentment than not being included in hanging out with them all the time. I know it's hard to say NO, but don't pressure them to be together without you, if you're not ready for that, either.

You didn't know exactly what you were signing up for, and neither did they. It's okay to take a breath and figure things out.

I betcha a dollar neither of them are going to die from not having sex every single time they are in the mood. ;)
 
Are "admirable job" and "spazzing out" interchangeable?

Hey Anne. Thanks for your words of encouragement.

I don't know if I'm doing an admirable job, exactly. I've had two really public meltdowns in front of my partners.

Also, I've basically hidden away in another room twice.

... They were actually fine with that and gave me my space.

Maybe most of my torturous emotions are inside, but I know that they're affecting Owen and Phoebe too, in a negative way. However, they're great about me saying no to sex. They say that it makes it hotter when it does happen.

I guess I just feel bad that I'm not perfect. That I spazzed out. That I've written long angsty letters about what's wrong for me.

I feel like a big baby. I wish I could just relax and not be such a stress case about everything not being like it was. But I *DO* feel responsible, and wish like crazy that I could put my finger on the pulse of what's bugging me so much.

How do you know when you're ready for your partner to "Vee off"?
What do you do when you're super uncomfortable around two people, when you are "supposed to" be having the time of your life?
How can it go from so great to so frickin' complicated?

When it all started, we kinda had a no-touchy rule for when we were apart. But one day, I came home early from work and found them naked in bed together. They weren't doing it or anything, but it frickin' ruined me. I panicked. I totally took off for hours. I didn't even want to come home. I was so upset and mad. (They've both apologized about it soooo many times, and have been "trying really hard to be good" ever since.)

I don't even know if it "should have" bugged me. I guess I just figured that would happen eventually. But I wasn't expecting it SMACK IN MY FACE OUT OF THE BLUE. Ever since then, my trust in them is just messed up. I feel unsafe and rushed. 😭
 
I don't know if I'm doing an admirable job, exactly. I've had two really public meltdowns in front of my partners. I've basically hidden away in another room twice... They were fine with that, gave me my space. Maybe most of my torturous emotions are inside, but I know that they're affecting Owen and Phoebe too, in a negative way. However, they're great about me saying no to sex. They say that it makes it hotter when it happens.

How much time are you still spending together? Do you get that time for you and Owen alone, at least a few days a week? A day or two for yourself?

Does them saying the sex is "hotter" when it happens make you feel more pressured? Because it would me.

Lots of people have meltdowns early on, when they are new to polyamory. You are not alone. It isn't abnormal. You have a lot of unexpected junk to deal with, so I still think you are doing a good job, from what you say, except with your own boundaries.

I feel bad that I'm not perfect. That I spazzed out. That I've written long angsty letters about what's wrong for me. I feel like a big baby. I wish I could just relax and not be such a stress case about everything not being like it was, but I *DO* feel responsible, and wish like crazy that I could put my finger on the pulse of what's bugging me so much.

Is it possible this goes back to your boundaries? Have you read some of the books on polyamory? I find getting a lot of viewpoints on the different ways people do polyamorous relationships helps give me permission to have my own wants and needs, and to realize others have their own.

Is your definition of "perfect" really that you and Owen and Phoebe all want each other equally, and that you all want to have sex at the same time, no matter what? If so, I'd suggest redefining your definition.

I think MY partners are perfect when I say what I want, they say what they want, and then we compromise if they don't match. In fact, I cannot say what a turn-on it is to have my husband say "no." If you read various threads, you'll see time and time again people who do things they don't really want to do, asking for help with the situation, but instead of being upfront and honest with their partners, they aren't, and they regret it, which slowly poisons their relationships.

I am still muddled. How clear are you being with Phoebe about what you want from your relationship with her? Take Owen out of the situation. Do you think you know how you would like the relationship with her to be going? Would you be dating her if he weren't interested in her?

Are your desires and your actions conflicting? I.e., are you participating in sex when you don't want to? (It sounds like it.)

How do you know when you're ready for your partner to "Vee off"? What do you do when you're super uncomfortable around two people, but are "supposed to" be having the time of your life? How can it go from so great to so frickin' complicated?

When it started, we kinda had a no-touchy rule for when we were all apart. Then I came home early from work and found them naked in bed together. They weren't doing it or anything, but it frickin' ruined me. I panicked. I totally took off for hours. I didn't even want to come home. I was so upset and mad. (They've both apologized about it soooo many times, and have been "trying really hard to be good" ever since.) I don't even know if it "should have" bugged me. I guess I just figured that would happen eventually, but wasn't expecting it SMACK IN MY FACE OUT OF THE BLUE. Ever since then my trust in them is just messed up. I feel unsafe and rushed.

I've never shared a partner. To me, it seems alien not to date separately, so I have no advice for that. Do you have any interest in dating her alone sometimes? Do you have any interest in dating somebody else on your own, if you don't want to be immersed in a triad? Is it too soon for you to figure that out?

However, I don't see why you think you shouldn't be upset. I wonder about this a lot. Do you think that since you initiated this grand adventure that you owe people something?

If I had an agreed-upon boundary with two partners in a triad, while I was new to poly, to not touch in a sexy way while we weren't all together, I would find it a clear violation of that mutually-agreed-upon boundary to be in bed naked. I don't know how I could feel safe or valued in that situation. I don't expect that agreements I make with people will just fly out the window at any point without a prior discussion. I would find it hard not to see it as two people, who were supposed to care about me, caring more about self gratification than keeping to our agreements. And if they really had to "try to be good," instead of maturely negotiating something that would work better for all of you, I would probably be livid. I would probably feel ganged-up-on, too. So kudos again to you for trying to let it go. But I take my kudos back if you think that since you started the ball rolling, but don't want to be in bed with them every time they want to have sex, you deserve to have your boundaries walked on.

Some people would recommend you take a hard line, and ask Owen to stop seeing Phoebe, or that the two of you stop seeing her (as more than a friend), until you feel the broken trust has been re-established. Other people might give you much different advice. I think when you are new to polyamory, you need to give yourself permission to take care of yourself.

In your place, I would probably ask that things slow down after such a violation of trust. But you should do what feels right to you. Just don't think that you don't have the right to ask for what you need. If you'd worked past the feeling of broken trust, I probably wouldn't suggest it. But it seems to still be affecting the relationship(s), so I would say it would be helpful to stop and deal with this. But it's kind of hard when you don't have the space to do so. It seems a bit more important to take action sooner, rather than later, until you can put your finger on the pulse of what's bugging you so much.
 
I'm as clear as mud....

Wow, Anne. I want to date YOU! ;) (I am mostly joking, but your brain is HOT!)

I think we were spending way too much time together. Up until my trust was stomped all over, we were spending about three days/two nights a week together. When they violated (good word, because that's how I felt-- I was fucking PISSED!) my trust, I asked for a weekend off, and then suggested we go to once a week. But we ended up having three more long weekends together anyway, none of which went very well, because I was still (is this too dramatic a word?) TRAUMATIZED.

I do understand why it happened, but that didn't mean that it didn't pulverize my heart/mind/body.

Even before that, I was starting to feel pressured. I've been pretty vocal about the way I feel. I mostly feel respected... but a lot of that is lip service, in my opinion, and they really just want to get down to the sexin.'

Thanks for helping me see that my meltdowns aren't abnormal. Owen has asked me a couple of times, "Do you really think you're poly?" since I've said, "That's it! I'm taking a frickin' break for a couple of weeks." My response is that maybe in theory I am polyamorous, but in actuality it's just too weird for me. I think what is closer to the truth is that their "bad behaviour" (that's not the only instance, to be clear) has made me feel unsafe, and like I'm a third wheel to the level of desire/NRE they share.

I actually had to ask them to watch their pronouns, as they were using the words "us" and "we" so much that it was starting to drive me nuts.

No, I would not date Phoebe on my own. I find her too reserved, too awkward and not feminine enough for my personal tastes. I also feel envious of the way she gloms onto Owen physically all the time, but barely touches me unless we're all in bed together.

I did think about dating someone else, when Mags gave me the advice to get some of my own NRE. I even put up an ad, and found this rad guy. He was really down to earth and kind. We went on a date. And then, I was like, wtf am I doing? We got on so great. He was sexy, stable, in an open marriage, looking for exactly what I would be... if I weren't in such a shitty place right now. I feel like starting something now would NOT BE SMART. I don't want to complicate everything even more when I have some stuff to figure out first.

I don't know if I'd trust this whole situation enough to have Owen see Phoebe on his own. They've already broken my trust, and that's kind of enough for me, on some level.

I have had some pretty dishonest partners in the past, and it makes me a little extra-knee-jerky when it comes to bullshit.

Yeah, in some ways, because I started this, I think I should be all evolved, and have it all figured out, like I should be navigating these shark-infested waters like a pro. Instead, I'm choking on saltwater and wondering why the hell my life raft isn't working.

As for seeing Phoebe as a friend, she's said that she isn't capable of just being his friend, as she finds him too sexy, but that she could be my friend, as that's what she's used to. I don't want to be her friend, though, to be honest. I'm too pissed right now to even want to see her. I feel like even though I've had all of these issues, they think that it's just going to keep on going like normal. I think that's why I've been kind of trying to force myself to be okay with them "vee-ing off." But really, it's not what I want.

I'm taking a solid break, like two, maybe three weeks, and I kind of want Owen to do the same. Like, NO CONTACT-- no texting, no emailing, no fakebooking, no phone, NOTHING! Is that unreasonable?

I have made an appointment with our regular marriage counsellor. But they know nothing about polyamory, which sucks, because I would REALLY like a poly-friendly counsellor who also does cognitive.

I want to have some time with just the two of us, and re-evaluate if it's worth continuing to give polyamory a shot.

Phoebe keeps saying she's willing to do the work, willing to process. I can sense her impatience, though, and I don't like how much Owen defends her and sticks up for her, after only knowing her for three months. (Frickin' NRE makes me want to strangle everyone involved right now!)

All of this makes me feel heinously unsafe.

Owen keeps saying "Oh, I fucked it up," in regards to the naked-in-bed day. I keep saying no one person fucked it up, and that while I hold him accountable, I don't blame him, and neither should he. I say that it's a valuable learning lesson for the future, and that we need WAY better rules that he'll actually frickin' respect.
 
Just when you think you can't handle more, poly hands you a little more

Last night and this morning were good. I went to bed feeling more clear than I had in a long time, woke up feeling really positive about the future.

We have tix to a show for the three of us in mid-February.

Owen had suggested that we make that our next "first date," where we set an intention for a lighter approach, to re-establish trust and fun times. I had said, "Let's see how things unfold over the next couple of weeks." Last night, when I was checking on the crock pot dinner, I saw the tickets, and knew that it was the right thing to do.

Today, I wake up, start getting ready for work, making the bed, etc., and Owen comes in to say goodbye. I can tell from his face that something is wrong, and I touch him, asking what's up--

Phoebe has FB messaged us and broken up with us. I try to digest this. Owen is already getting set to leave the house. He going to be late for work. I am late for work, because I'm reading her message, where I find out that she's been reading this forum, is totally upset from my post last night, and is done.

Well, SCREW ME. So, all those feelings of being unsafe, and having things unstable and out of control, and having finally found a safe space to unload and get advice, turn around and BITE MY ASS even more.

I have a counselling sesh lined up for Tuesday with a rad poly life coach who has stepped up to help me with my issues. I have regular counselling set up. I have been talking to my polyamorous sister to get advice and help. I have been journalling, blogging, running 5km a day, deeply processing with Owen, doing yoga, meditating, all to try and sort this out and... DUMPED. And now Owen is gonna be brokenhearted and pissed at me for breaking this. FUCK!

I'm trying to concentrate at work, do my best, but I just feel like driving around in my car and sobbing my heart out. The worst? Phoebe says she thinks I'm not poly, and that she's some kind of fucking experiment. WHAT? WHATTT????? FUCK!

I'm so heartbroken and gut-kicked right now.

I wrote her back, from my heart, trying very hard to stay sane.

I doubt there's any chance for reconciliation now.
 
WHOA, SLOW DOWN!!!

*deep breath* Okay? Okay. Let's take this one thing at a time, shall we? (Though I'm totally going out of order of your post)

1) You did not "break" anything. Trust was already broken, and not by you. If Owen is pissed at YOU, that's HIS problem.
2) I wouldn't worry about Phoebe thinking/saying you aren't poly. What does she know? Seems like she couldn't manage to respect a few fairly simple rules because SHE wanted everything to be fun and games, which ain't necessarily "poly" anyway.
3) Try not to see posting here as biting you in the ass. Maybe you weren't as careful as you would have been if you had known she was going to read your posts, but ultimately, you're allowed to process and express your thoughts and feelings, whether she likes it or not. And it may be that her finding your posts here have just hastened an ending that was already coming. You said yourself you wouldn't want to date her on your own, so is it really THAT BAD that she dumped you?
4) Speaking of her breaking up with you guys, that sure doesn't seem to me like someone who's willing to "put the effort in" to make this work. She find something that upsets her, and the first thing she does, instead of talking to you about it, is end the relationship??
5) It seems to me like your feelings of being unsafe and the relationship being unstable and out of control have been totally validated. I know it's a shitty silver lining, but if this is how Phoebe deals with life, what was the point in trying to work out the relationship, anyhow?
6) I hope you don't think all your work to get to this point has been wasted. Doing that journaling and meditation and everything-- that was ultimately for YOU, not for either one of them. And you will benefit from it, because now you know yourself better than you did going into this situation.
7) If Phoebe truly feels like she was an experiment, then that's something to be sorry for, but I wonder if she's just saying that in the heat of anger to have something to accuse you of. Recently someone said here that being polyamorous was a little like being a Jedi, according to Yoda--"Do, or do not; there is no try," but I'm not sure I agree with that. Going into a new situation takes courage and effort, but sometimes it just ends up being something you're not happy with, so you have to change your path. There's nothing wrong with that, as long as you continue being clear and honest with yourself and the people around you.

*HUGS* I know it all feels awful right now, and I'm sorry you have to be at work during it. That just makes everything even harder (unless it distracts you).
 
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