Coming Out Drama

MusicalRose

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Hello All,

Not sure what I'm really looking for here, as I don't know that there is any advice that will really help the situation, but I wanted a place to talk about this away from my husband (R) who is dealing with a lot of stress over the whole situation and whom I don't want to burden with my own emotional upset over it as much as I can avoid.

R and I are pretty active in our local poly community, so much so that we didn't really feel as if it was realistic to keep hiding our polyamory from his parents in the long haul, especially since they are pretty social media savvy and tend toward gossip. We've had a few non-poly slips about us and our lives that they've caused drama over in the past few years (very nosy, controlling, and pushy), so we wanted to come out to them as poly on our own terms and make sure we were prepared to have the conversation.

R and I just got married a few weeks ago, and R had basically been waiting until after the wedding to tell them. I'm not sure doing it quite this soon was a great idea, however I also don't think there ever would have been a good time to tell them and I've always told R that I will support him whenever he decides the time is right for him to be honest.

My parents have known for a few years, and while they dislike the idea of it, they're fairly accepting people and will always love me for who I am.

Anyhow, R's parents reacted about as badly as they possibly could have when we came out to them shortly after our wedding. They think I have R brainwashed and that I'm using him for his money, they never want anything to do with me ever again and never want to see me. They refuse to believe this is something R chose for himself. R's middle sister is supportive, but his oldest sister still remains to really show how she is going to act long term. We told both his sisters before we told his parents, and the oldest seemed okay with it, but then once R's parents started freaking out, she also started freaking out.

I guess I kind of expected them to act this way. Both of R's sisters have told us that their parents treat their sons-in-law in much the same way. Anytime something happens that they don't like it is automatically the fault of the people their children are dating. However, I am kind of upset at how nasty they are being to R about this. R has always loved his family and wants them to be part of his life and I hate the guilt trips they are laying on him right now. They keep telling us his mom is going to seek medical help and that it's like the son they always knew had died. They even said during the initial phone conversation that this was worse than if he had died. They've since retracted that and that they intended to say they were as shocked as if they'd heard someone died, but it still bothers me.

I guess I'm just feeling a lot of anger. The stress of it has impacted R pretty heavily, which caused he and I to get into some fights, and I can see signs that he might slip into a depression. I wish I could tell his parents that the only reason they think I have him brainwashed is that that's what they've tried to spend their whole life doing to him so they don't think him capable of independent thought.

If anyone has any good advice, I would appreciate it, although I don't know how much I can really do other than to try and be there to support R and let him process it. I know it will take time. I just don't like to see him hurt, and I know he's afraid that something in his relationship with his parents has been irrevocably lost. I wish people would stop trying to guilt and control other people so much. It's frustrating.
 
Advice:
Love him, support him, listen to him, and stay out of it.
Don't talk to them about it.
Don't push.

This is his family. Let him decide how he wants to deal with it.
But listen to him and follow his lead.
 
I am doing my best to stay out of it other than when he wants to talk to me about it. There are some complicating factors like the fact that they tried to contact my parents about it (this has also happened before, there is no sense of boundaries and they treat us like kids on play dates rather than as adults), but my mom sent a text rather than answering their calls (partially because she lost her voice right around the time this happened and partially because she knew a lot of the nasty things they were saying about me and during the process of wedding planning they were extremely disrespectful and rude regarding my parents and my mom just didn't want to deal with them). However, they have dropped trying to call my mom after she sent the text and they haven't tried to contact me at all and I doubt they will. I certainly won't be initiating any contact with them.

I think that is why I made this topic. I want a place to vent, to talk about my hurt and anger. I know it is unfair to R to do it to him. I haven't been, but it's been weighing on me and I thought perhaps writing about it in here would help.

I'm also considering just writing letters to his parents that I don't intend to send. It's something I've done in the past when I know that communication with someone isn't appropriate, but it still gives me a feeling of getting things off my chest.

My personal energy level fluctuates a lot lately because of a lot of other stressors, but I'm getting better at balancing it out and keeping myself going with regular exercise. This last week I've been getting our apartment back in order and trying to get back into my routine after the honeymoon, but it does hurt to see R hurt, and I'm worried about the self-destructive tendencies I'm seeing.
 
I am sorry you deal in this. :( Sounds like you are doing appropriate things for your self care through this.

Do you think R could benefit from the support of a counselor? If his parents are enmeshed kind of people with no boundaries -- he may have a lot to process there before he feels better.

Galagirl
 
I think R could benefit from a counselor, but I'm not sure how willing he is to get into it. We tried seeing a counselor together a while back and he continued on his own with the guy for a while, but as the guy was not particularly poly experienced it didn't end up being very helpful in the long run for him. We have a great local community that has information for poly experienced and poly friendly therapists now, but I fear that therapy has soured in R's estimation and it might not be very appealing to him.

His parents are very enmeshed kinds of people with no boundaries. Every time we have ever visited them I end up feeling drained and exhausted. R has done better at establishing boundaries with them over the years we've been dating, but these are lifelong and difficult patterns to break. I think coming out was a major step forward in that, but to a certain extent I'm really not sure if he realized the can of worms he was opening up within himself.

There will definitely be a lot of processing to do. I'm concerned about my own ability to be strong and maintain good judgment through this, though. I have been dealing with some pretty big ticket stressors, and I go through strong periods, but I've also been having a lot of really weak times. I'm trying to stay self aware and avoid getting involved in things when I know I'm not feeling strong, but because of all the stressors I sometimes find it hard to trust my judgment.
 
if his parents are rude, inconsiderate, pushy people who gossip and have no problems saying very hurtful things to their son - they are just that, rude pushy inconsiderate people. It is not the poly issue that is bringing this out in them.

It doesn't sound like a very healthy parent-child relationship to begin with.

The poly issue is only bringing this to the surface more. I can guarantuee you it would have been a major problem anyway, down the line.

I have had similar problems on coming out to my parents. It was very painful. A year later, I am slowly beginning to see it as a major opportunity to finally become my own person and not rely on my parents acceptance anymore.

If your husband has never rebelled as a teenager and broke loose, and has always tried to keep the peace in what sounds like a not very loving family, this might be the time that he acutally breaking free and becoming his own person. Just to give you another perspective.
 
You are spot on, Cleo. The relationship isn't healthy and it never has been. My MIL is actually really depressing because as much as she makes me crazy, I can see how miserable of a world she lives in. She never says anything without screeching it and the whole family treats her like she is stupid. In some times in the past, I've been the only one able to calm her down because I don't just start screaming back at her and telling her to shut up.

FIL took a lot longer to show his colors. He isn't as spastic or reactive as MIL, but once he gets his heels dug in about something, absolutely no one else is able to talk or have an opinion about anything. I think he hates me in particular because he's not entirely subtle about being very sexist, and he was already upset that I decided not to take their name after getting married (one of the things that R and I ended up fighting about shortly after the wedding) and I've never been a meek or obedient woman in general.

I think R is starting to break free and become his own person, but this is definitely a crucial time in that process. I know I have to let him figure a lot of it out on his own, and I'm trying to do that.

The weird thing is, I've never really had problems with insecurity in our relationship. I've never struggled with jealousy with any of his other partners, and have generally never felt any concern for our relationship as a whole unless we were having some kind of fight about something. But this situation with the in-laws has really got me rattled. I'm feeling kind of clingy and needy all of a sudden and I haven't been acting on it much so far, but I really don't like feeling that in myself.
 
Awww, they sound like assholes.

It sounds like your new husband is bravely stepping out as his own person. Coming out, from whatever closet, can really upset a family applecart. Wait a year and see what happens. Sometimes even the biggest bigots come around. And if they don't, well... move on from THAT bs!

As for your FIL having and expressing an opinion on what YOUR name is, wtf? I can see a patriarchal privileged male complaing his grandchildren don't carry on the family name, but his daughter in law? Give me a break.

Keep venting!
 
There is a member here named RedPepper, who was a Moderator and doesn't post much anymore, whose parents also reacted horribly. In her case, she had a close relationship with both her parents, and was already married with a child when she informed them that she and her husband (known as PolyNerdist here) were poly, and that she had a boyfriend (MonoVCPHG). I know PN has had girlfriends and boyfriends, but I don't know if he was seeing anyone at the time they "came out." Well, her mother went ballistic - she accused Mono of being in a relationship with RP to molest their grandchild, forced RP to have a doctor examine her son, asked RP and PN to withdraw co-ownership of property they shared together, stopped speaking to her for many weeks, and more crazy, angry stuff. You can read about that here: http://www.polyamory.com/forum/showthread.php?t=721.

Eventually, through RP and PN being steadfast in maintaining boundaries about what was acceptable or not if her parents wanted a relationship with their grandchild, not hiding who they were and how they lived, and yet lovingly reaching out to them and being willing to include them in their life, her parents grew to consider RP's boyfriend part of the family. I recall RP saying that her mother referred to him as her second son-in-law. RP has a huge blog here at http://www.polyamory.com/forum/showthread.php?p=53335, if you feel up to searching it for those updates on how her parents changed their views, but suffice it to say that although things were very, very shitty for a while, they did get better.

So, don't lose hope. Coming out as being/practicing poly to people who have very rigid ideas of what marriage and relationships should be, is similar to coming out as gay or bisexual to people who are homophobes, or to marrying someone outside your race if they are racists. Their very closely held belief systems, as well as their ideas about who the people they raised turned out to be, are being challenged, so it is a very definite threat in their minds. Hold your heads high and be strong, and if you can somehow find compassion for what they are going through, it will make it easier for you to endure. They may eventually accept it and come around, or they may not, but I think it is best to not let yourselves pay credence to the drama they might stir up.
 
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IMO, coming out to your parents is difficult no matter what you relationship with them is.
It was very tough for me to come out for me, both poly and sexuality.

be supportive regardless of the heartache, time heals
 
Hi MusicalRose,

I can't think of any sage advice to give, but I did want to add my vote of support. I am sorry you are going through this. R's parents sound like they are reeeally dysfunctional, and this poly thing seems to have pushed all their buttons. You mentioned that they are very good at discovering private information without being told; perhaps to them that is one way of being in control and they may actually resent the fact that you and R got to be the ones who decided when they (his folks) would find out.

This is really R's journey, and his crisis, that he has to weather on his own. You won't be able to help him a lot, and he won't be as available to you either which I know is extra hard right now because you are feeling kind of needy/clingy. You are feeling intermittently weak and yet you have to be the strong one right now. If R plunges deeper and deeper into a severe depression, he may need you to try to encourage him to get counseling (meds, too, quite possibly) despite his sour experience with it in the past.

I guess there are no guarantees about how this will turn out. It's (regrettably) possible that R may have to hit bottom before he can start coming back up. He may become contentious and argumentative; I don't know. And you're not Superman; you can only do the best you can do and you have your limits. Make an extra effort to take care of you during this difficult time. Hell, counseling might be a good thing for you, if R won't get any. It might help you get through this.

This first year is probably the really crucial year, whether R's folks come around or not. If you (and R) can survive a year of their rejection and nastiness, you'll probably find you've developed enough mettle to cut them loose, if that's what you have to do to get peace in your lives. They're adults too, and should take care of themselves.

Please do continue to post and let us know how things are going.
With concern,
Kevin T.
 
Magdlyn: Thanks for the kind words. I am very proud of R for doing something I know is very difficult and painful for him, and I'm hoping that he finds healthy ways to process. We haven't heard much of anything else from them since I posted. I'm not sure if that's worse or better than if they kept attacking and berating. Been trying to get R out of the house and our local poly meeting is tonight so hopefully he will be able to socialize and feel a little better, maybe talk to some others (we're relatively young in our group so lots of wisdom and life experience to be had by hanging out there for us).

nycindie: Thanks for the link. I read through some of that stuff and it was just awful. It's good to know we aren't the only ones dealing with such outrageous family reactions. I think we're finally getting to a place where we are setting more and more boundaries with them. We had to start even during wedding planning because they were making it miserable. (It was pretty funny to hear R tell his mom that she had to keep her bridezilla level below mine since I was the actual bride. I was pretty easygoing about most of my expectations and she's super high strung so that was a struggle for her.) Hopefully some of this gets easier and more automatic with time. Thankfully they live a very long way away from us.

Dannysfun: Thanks. Yeah, even for my parents, who I've had to come out about numerous things to, it was a little awkward coming about about poly.

kdt26417: Yeah, I'm thinking about finding a counselor or something. One of my other partners is deployed at the moment and he and I were in a rocky spot before that happened and then a few weeks into the deployment he had something happen that led to him feeling afraid he'd be outed so I actually just had a short conversation with him today for the first time in over a month. This happened right before the wedding and at first I didn't know if he was upset with me about something until finally he told his wife what was going on so she could tell me. My emotions have been crazy for months dealing with this and no good resolution in sight at the moment, so all of this and the wedding on top of it has been fun. Fortunately, R seems to be leveling out a little bit and actually opening up and talking to me about the hurt. I'm hoping he will be able to grow and heal from this. I think he can, but it is hard seeing him in darkness like he is right now.
 
Well, you guys have certainly been dealing with a lot of stress, all at one time. Maybe now that the actual "big events" are concluded (the wedding, the deployment, the coming out), emotions will start to level out.

Thanks for your update and we'll be pulling for you.
 
Deployment isn't over yet. That one is still causing me a lot of personal stress, but it should be at least in a somewhat better place in the next week or so.
 
Oh that's good (not that it's not over, but that there's just a week or two remaining of that particular stressor). Keep on truckin'; you can get through this!
 
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