Coming together and falling apart

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When I last wrote, I was dealing with feelings of loneliness and serious depression about my relationship situation, mostly because it felt like the three “branches” of my polyamorous relationship were all failing to show me support in one way or another. I’m in a different place now and, again, I just felt the need to find an outlet to get it out into the world. One of the things I struggle with the most is that I often feel I have no one to talk to about what is going on in my polyamorous life, as most of my friends don’t understand the lifestyle and have a hard time relating to or understanding what I am going through.

When I last left off, my live-in boyfriend, Chase, was struggling with polyamory as a whole. We had initially broken up two years ago, only to get back together with his “blessings” in polyamory… only to have him withdraw the blessings later. At current, he is doing his best to be positive about it. His biggest struggles are with his own self-esteem and introverted nature. He feels he doesn’t deserve friends, let alone other interests (he thinks he should be allowed to see other people, too, even though he identifies as monogamous, which I fully support). But he struggles to have the confidence to socialize with anyone . I try to support him to the best of my ability, although this has lead to rather clingy behavior on his part, and has added a lot of stress to our relationship. I’ve been encouraging him to see a therapist, because I’m struggling to stay afloat and to know what to even say to him. He always says he would never tell me who I can and cannot hang out with, but it’s troubling when he goes into a deep depression because I want to, say, have lunch with an old friend from college that I haven’t seen in five years… because his reaction is “No one will ever like me, I have no friends, I am worthless.” He is in his mid-thirties, but I feel like I’m dealing with someone much younger. When I met him he was independent and mature and had his own network of friends. He’s lost touch with all of them, and refuses to reach out to them. I’m never sure how to handle his complete dependance on me.

Martin and I were in a pretty shaky place when I last wrote, with him having pulled away pretty hard after telling me he loved me in February. Things went on shakily for a few months, when we would hang out, pretty much exclusively at a bar that we were both regulars at, with him flirting, but refusing to follow through sexually or even affectionately, and at the same time refusing to say that the relationship was over (whenever I would bring it up, he would insist that he felt we were emotionally involved with one another). At some point, I told him that I wanted to go on an adventure with him (which we had initially planned on back in March, before things fell apart between us) where we could go hiking and take photographs. He agreed, and promised me a whole day, including an overnight stay at his house (I promised him no sex). It had been three months since we’d last had sex at that point, and since we’d really been affectionate more than a peck on the cheek. There was an odd tone to the beginning of the day because he was more flirtatious than usual. I took him to a high ropes course, then we had a picnic on the beach. We ended the day just relaxing at the house, where I made him dinner, and went to sleep in full pajamas. I did pretty well keeping it together, until mid-way through the night, I remembered that I sort of saw this “date” as an ending between us, and I started crying. I hid it pretty well, crying into a pillow, but he figured it out eventually and we had a long talk. Turns out, he’d been having fears that I was going to ask him to be exclusive, and he wasn’t ready for something that serious, because he didn’t want to lose his sense of self into a relationship. I had to laugh, because I feel like that’s something he has always found confusing about polyamory (it is serious, for me, but I’m also very happy having my space and independence). I told him that one of the things I found most beneficial about being polyamorous is that it awards a greater sense of independence and individuality. We reconnected on emotional and sexual levels, and things have been pretty decent with us, since then. He told me he finally had a “talk” with Katy, to tell her that he couldn’t see her until she got her shit together (aka, stops cheating on her boyfriend with him). I asked him if he’d considered that she might move back to town in hopes of being in a relationship with him, and he said he’d told her that wasn’t something he was looking for. I’m not sure I entirely believe he actually told her that last part, but I’m glad he finally told her to get her act together.

Mid-May, Isaac finally came back to the country. He told me two weeks in advance, which gave me the opportunity to talk to both Chase and Martin and let them know that there was a very real chance that something would develop between Isaac and I, and I wanted to gage their comfort levels. Chase was obviously pretty apprehensive, but did not say no. Martin took it in good stride, although this was before we really reconnected as in my above paragraph), with a “I can’t expect that you would let me have my cake and eat it to, but never let you have your own piece,” metaphor.

Isaac and I reconnected like an explosion. That first hug was so long and so contenting, and it was just lightning bolt after lightning bolt for us. The first few meet ups we had went very well, but since we’d only connected VERY briefly before he’d left for another country, we’d never really had conversations in the past about our expectations for one another. This culminated one night when I was at a bar after work (my regular bar that I go to with Martin, although he wasn’t there at the time). Isaac wanted to call me, and was upset that I couldn’t answer my phone (which is broken), but texted him to let him know that I wasn’t available. He didn’t like the vagueness (which hadn’t even occurred to me), and when I checked my phone next, it was to a slew of texts telling me how upset he was. So, I told him we needed to have a talk.

The next time I saw him, we had an absolutely AMAZING conversation. We were sitting on a floating dock by a lake, in beautiful sunshine, and I just very openly told him all about myself and polyamory and what I expected out of a relationship with him. He said it was like seeing me for the first time. He hadn’t wanted exclusivity, but admitted that his usual style is an emotional connection with one person and casually sexual relationships with others… multiple emotional relationships was new, and a little scary, to him, but in listening to me talk, he really seemed to understand how this is WHO I AM and that it is such a huge part of my personality. We also were able to discuss smaller needs that we both had, such as how often we were in contact when we weren’t in person (he’s very intense in person, and very distant when not), his needs to be by himself, and my need for him to occasionally check in, and come to very real compromises about what to expect from one another. It felt SO GOOD and it’s really the first relationship that I’ve had where I feel like we are both open and honest and very straight forward with one another, and not having to deal with all of the bullshit feels soooooooooooo good. Chase and Martin, both, tend to say things based on how they THINK I will react.

Anyway, that brings me up to now. I’ve been generally a much more fulfilled and happy person, now that things are (mostly) better with Martin, Isaac is back in my life, and Chase and I are working on trying to stabilize our relationship.

Right now, Chase is really struggling with his esteem and confidence. He did go to the birthday of a girl he felt a connection with, after working with her for a few days, and asked me for advice on giving her a gift that showed he cared but wasn’t too creepy. I was proud of him for that, and we talked about how he feels strange about that part of himself being “opened up” again after four years in a relationship with me. However, he doesn’t have her phone number and that interaction basically died off, and he hasn’t pursued it in any way. He’s fallen back into the “I’m worthless,” loop, and I’m doing my best to support him while also trying not to enable him. It’s hard to find a balance.

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Part II

Martin and I are in a fairly decent place. We’ve been seeing each other more, and not always to have sex, which I think has been a big benefit for us. For a while he had struggled with the idea that we were a purely sexual relationship, and that if that was taken away we would have nothing. So we’ve done things like get lunch, or coffee, and just have quick encounters to catch up on one another’s lives. I brought up a similar conversation as to the one I had with Isaac, about expectations, but that’s where we kind of hit a wall. I expressed to him a certain need of mine, which is that when we are together, I think our attention should be on one another. I don’t answer texts from the other people I’m with, and when we are in groups, I treat him like the person that I am with. What bothers me, is that he can’t do the same for me. This hasn’t always been a problem, but it certainly has been more lately. When we are in groups of people, he usually likes to keep his distance so he can be seen as “available” to other women, and he likes to flirt with them, oftentimes in front of me. The last two times we hung out at the bar, he would answer texts on his phone, and I could see that pretty much all of them were from Katy, and they were a lot of LONG texts from her… and a lot of snapchat notifications from her as well. It makes me really uncomfortable that he will go to the bathroom to exchange sexy snapchats with her while we are spending time together. I mean, we never really call it a date, but it still feels disrespectful to me that he doesn’t see the harm in that. I tried to bring it up, but I feel like I am not getting through to him (mostly I brought up that it bothers me that he distances me in groups). I guess this is one area I would need some advice in… how to make sure someone really understands your needs when it doesn’t seem to be sinking in. Do I need to give him some sort of ultimatum?

Things are a little more complex with Isaac. Our agreement since he came back (with all parties) was that we wouldn’t have sex until after he’d been tested. We did have a long conversation about the number of partners he had while out of the country, even though he felt strange talking to me about that sort of thing. He went to the doctor and was immediately hit with some bad news… “pre-cancerous” spots caused by HPV. He was absolutely devastated, and I think he’s really struggling with the idea of me turning to Martin and Chase more often for sexual satisfaction, since I won’t be able to turn to him. I’m also not sure how to approach this situation as a whole. He’s pretty much taken it as a devastating blow and that I am going to leave him and be angry with him. I’ve only been able to see him once since he got the news, and even though I’ve tried to reassure him that he means more to me than that, I think it’s a big heartbreak for him. I’m also worried he’s going to pull away from me for fear of feeling that he’s not as equal as my other partners.

This is the first time I’ve ever run into an STD issue. I have a fluid bond with both Chase and Martin, so obviously that changes if anything is going to happen with Isaac. He’s currently being treated and awaiting biopsy results, but for at least a month he’ll be using medication… but after that, I’m not really sure where to go. I have a gynecologist appointment in a few weeks, and I’m hoping to be able to talk about options at that point. But for now I was just wondering if anyone has any experience dealing with something like this, and how you’ve been coping with it? I do really want to have sexual experiences with Isaac. But I have no idea how to get there without destroying the already beautiful relationships I have with Chase and Martin.
 
I think your concern about preserving your relationship with Martin is misplaced, as he seems not that into you. Chase and his complete dependence are worrying, and I think that's an issue that needs attention. In light of that, Isaac's pre-cancerous HPV and its implications seem like a side issue.
 
I think your concern about preserving your relationship with Martin is misplaced, as he seems not that into you. Chase and his complete dependence are worrying, and I think that's an issue that needs attention. In light of that, Isaac's pre-cancerous HPV and its implications seem like a side issue.

Any advice for dealing with the Chase issue, then? Do you think I should just turn Isaac away in the interim? Because I'd rather not. I honestly feel the happiest around him at this point.
 
Of course you feel happiest around Isaac! He's new, he's enthusiastic, and he's acting like a mentally healthy person.

I think you need to decide how you feel about Chase and what to do about it, and then see if that course is compatible with also having other relationships right now. Having someone be completely dependent on you is very disturbing, and drastically limits what you can do. So what's your preferred approach there?
 
Depending on your ages (you, Martin, & Chase), the HPV vaccination may be an option though the series does take several months to complete. That would be my suggestion. Honestly, it's a good idea anyway, given the prevalence of HPV. Unfortunately, though, since the vast majority of those in the 30+ category have already been exposed to at least one strain of HPV, it's generally not recommended for us. I was HPV+ with a high-risk strain, for a couple years (per my pap-smear.) I never had issues with it...no lesions or anything that needed to be treated. Blue & I were already fluid-bonded. It eventually cleared on it's own. It's extremely common...most sexually active adults will contract some form of HPV at some point in their lives (just most are not aware as the only real screening tool right now is the pap smear.)
 
Of course you feel happiest around Isaac! He's new, he's enthusiastic, and he's acting like a mentally healthy person.

I think you need to decide how you feel about Chase and what to do about it, and then see if that course is compatible with also having other relationships right now. Having someone be completely dependent on you is very disturbing, and drastically limits what you can do. So what's your preferred approach there?

He hasn't been putting limits on me, though. He's been fairly supportive of my polyamorous relationships (I've been seeing Martin for about a year now, alongside Chase), even if he doesn't understand the appeal entirely. He's always had these esteem and confidence issues and he's tried his best not to take them out on me. I've been encouraging him to make friends and to focus on his career more, but he tends to give up on those things almost instantly. I don't think that the issue with Chase has anything to do with polyamory (we've even talked about that, he doesn't believe Polyamory is the issue, either), but just depression problems that I, as a non-therapist, am not equipped to handle on my own. I've asked him over and over again to see a therapist. He hasn't done it yet, but he promises he's considering it. I think that's the answer to that issue. And I don't think it has anything to do with the two issues I asked for advice about...
 
Depending on your ages (you, Martin, & Chase), the HPV vaccination may be an option though the series does take several months to complete. That would be my suggestion. Honestly, it's a good idea anyway, given the prevalence of HPV. Unfortunately, though, since the vast majority of those in the 30+ category have already been exposed to at least one strain of HPV, it's generally not recommended for us. I was HPV+ with a high-risk strain, for a couple years (per my pap-smear.) I never had issues with it...no lesions or anything that needed to be treated. Blue & I were already fluid-bonded. It eventually cleared on it's own. It's extremely common...most sexually active adults will contract some form of HPV at some point in their lives (just most are not aware as the only real screening tool right now is the pap smear.)

We're all mid-30s and early-40s, so the vaccine is not an option for us. I understand how common it is. I don't think I am afraid of it as Isaac seems to think I am (he's surprised I haven't gone running, screaming), but I do worry about what bringing it up to Chase and Martin will mean.
 
I am sorry you struggle. I hope you feel better for airing some of that out.

CHASE

Background: Dated for two years, broke up, got back together. He says he consents to poly then he takes it back.

Chase sounds draining.

I think you could let him go, and he could take that as opportunity to work on himself and his issues. You cannot be someone else's life raft. If he has mental health issues, it is his responsibility to seek care and DO his management plan. Take a break so he has time and space to work on it. You can resume dating once he is well or at least showing he is DOING his management plan.

If he is not doing it? Or refuses? And has no intention of doing it? You could decide to move on to a break up rather than a time out.

It's sad, but you have to look out for your own health and well being. :(

Plus... he doesn't sound like he wants to be in a poly network really. So be kind and cut him loose. Sometimes the most loving thing you can do is to let it go for him if he cannot manage to do it himself.

MARTIN

Background: Dating him for a year.

but that’s where we kind of hit a wall. I expressed to him a certain need of mine, which is that when we are together, I think our attention should be on one another. I don’t answer texts from the other people I’m with, and when we are in groups, I treat him like the person that I am with. What bothers me, is that he can’t do the same for me.

Asking Martin to be PRESENT and put the phone down and not be texting other people when you are together on dates (casual or formal) is not asking him for anything unreasonable.

I tried to bring it up, but I feel like I am not getting through to him (mostly I brought up that it bothers me that he distances me in groups). I guess this is one area I would need some advice in… how to make sure someone really understands your needs when it doesn’t seem to be sinking in. Do I need to give him some sort of ultimatum?

Say specifically that it bothers you he's attached to his phone and texts others when on a date with you. Don't be vague. List specific behaviors. Have him repeat back what you said so you know he gets it like you mean it. Then he either agrees or does not agree to modify his behavior around you.

After that? Do not JADE. No justifying, arguing, defending or explaining. You stated it clearly ONCE.

If he's saying "No. He will not do it" or he says he will but you are not sure on his Word?

  • You could either let go of the want for him to be present
  • You could ask before each outing if he's going to be present or not before you accept his asking you out. Then starting counting to see if he actually keeps his Word or not.
  • Or you could stop going on on dates with him entirely. Then you do not have to deal with this behavior.

ISAAC

Background: ?

It felt SO GOOD and it’s really the first relationship that I’ve had where I feel like we are both open and honest and very straight forward with one another, and not having to deal with all of the bullshit feels soooooooooooo good. Chase and Martin, both, tend to say things based on how they THINK I will react.

Sounds like you prefer this. An up front, two-way street relationship. No bullshit.

Do you think I should just turn Isaac away in the interim? Because I'd rather not. I honestly feel the happiest around him at this point.

Each of you could get doc things sorted, see what the options are. I think you could spend more time on THIS relationship and LESS time or NO time on the ones that are a drag.

Even in poly, not everyone you date will be a long haul runner. You don't have to try to "keep everybody."

Some simply will not be a match and it might be better to stop investing energy into it. Especially if you feel tired of bullshit and if you feel spread too thin.

My 2 cents,

Galagirl
 
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We're all mid-30s and early-40s, so the vaccine is not an option for us. I understand how common it is. I don't think I am afraid of it as Isaac seems to think I am (he's surprised I haven't gone running, screaming), but I do worry about what bringing it up to Chase and Martin will mean.

I had to pay for part of my HPV series (it depended on how my doctor billed it), but his recommendation was for me to get the shot series done, even though I was in my late 30s, since I have multiple partners, since it might help and certainly couldn't hurt.

I had an abnormal pap smear at the end of January that came back with HPV and possibly precancerous cells. I had gotten my pap at my family doctor but had to get the follow up at an ob gyn. I ended up with a doctor that was part of our poly community when she first moved here. If I hadn't been so upset, I would have purposefully looked for her in my insurance coverage but I was so I just called the nearest ob gyn clinic and thankfully got assigned to her. She did biopsies of the suspicious looking areas. I talked to her at the appointment about what to do with my partner who is fluid bonded with me and his other partner. She said it would be more obvious what to do if the biopsy came back as precancerous, but until we did, she didn't see any reason we shouldn't remain fluid bonded and HPV is so common that even if I didn't get it from him or her, or pass it on to them, they probably already have a strain of it or have had it in the past. My biopsies thankfully came back clear.

I guess my suggestion for your situation depends on where the precancerous cells are at. If they are completely in an area covered by a condom, I don't see what the issue is. If they aren't covered by a condom, that creates a few issues. Anyway you could move up your ob gyn appointment so you can ask their medical opinion sooner?

Forgot to add my partners' reactions. My husband and I rarely have sex and when we do we use condoms. He didn't really react at all except to find out where I was seeing our ob gyn friend for his girlfriend. When I asked him what he thought about it, he figured it wasn't a big deal, since it is so common we use condoms anyway.

My other partner, who I am fluid bonded with, didn't understand why I was so upset about the HPV and the possible precancerous cells (that worry was mostly because my grandmother died of ovarian and uterine cancer, so I tend to worry about any possible issues in my reproductive area). He wasn't worried at all about the HPV, since it is so common.
 
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I am sorry you struggle. I hope you feel better for airing some of that out. l

Thank you so much for responding, GalaGirl, you really do give some of the best advice. I was really hoping you’d find this post.

Chase consented to poly, took it back, and consented again. I do think he’s made an actual effort this time around (he’s been trying, awkwardly, to flirt with people). I don’t think his issue really has much to do with ME being poly so much as meeting people is stressful and difficult for him, and he wants to have more people in his life so he doesn’t feel lonely when I’m not around.

You’re right, though, he is draining, and I don’t want to be his life raft. I think what really needs to happen is that I need to tell him he needs to either get help (with therapy) or I’m out. I do love him, and he’s an incredible person… but loving someone doesn’t always equate to compatibility, which I think I’ve been learning slowly. I think the worst thing I did for our relationship was move in with him, because he stopped being independent. I think moving out would actually REALLY HELP him, but I don’t think he would handle it well at all.

I realized, after I posted this, I’m not 100% sure I brought up the texting thing to Martin directly. I asked him to be present with me, but I don’t think I said anything about texting, and texting Katy in particular. I’ll bring it up next time I see him. You’re absolutely right about how it needs to be handled. I like the option of asking him before each outing if he’s going to be present or not.

Not to try to “explain” his behavior at all, but I honestly don’t think that he -realizes- that what he’s doing feels disrespectful to me. He’s used to being a single guy that sees people casually, and I think poly appealed to him in the way that he can have the parts of a relationship he wants (consistency, emotional closeness, etc) without feeling trapped or like he’s losing himself in the relationship. I think I need to just buck up and be very clear and direct, and if he still can’t understand what I need from him, then it will be time for me to walk away.

As for Isaac, I ABSOLUTELY prefer that style of relationship. It feels so much easier and relaxed and intelligent. And I don’t think it’s just an NRE-high (we’ve known each other for over a year, and we had the NRE happen before he left the country, and things were TOUGH when he was gone). We’ve certainly had our issues and little fights, but we work through them in a much more straight-forward way that feels way better than any relationship I’ve had before. For instance, in the conversation we had about how to communicate with one another (his needs for space, vs. my needs for stability), we handled it in probably four sentences or less. I stated my issue, he stated his, and we both promised to make adjustments to soothe one another. And we actually followed through! I feel like my mind exploded in realizing how easy communication can be when done right.

I wouldn’t say I feel spread too thin (I actually think I have a pretty perfect balance between the three of them right now, at least for my needs), but you’re right, I do have a tendency to try to “keep everybody.” I don’t feel that I’m really at a breaking point with anyone yet (I think it all comes across as much more dramatic on a forum than it actually is). If we can all survive the STD issue, I think we will be in a pretty good space.
 
Forgot to add my partners' reactions. My husband and I rarely have sex and when we do we use condoms. He didn't really react at all except to find out where I was seeing our ob gyn friend for his girlfriend. When I asked him what he thought about it, he figured it wasn't a big deal, since it is so common we use condoms anyway.

My other partner, who I am fluid bonded with, didn't understand why I was so upset about the HPV and the possible precancerous cells (that worry was mostly because my grandmother died of ovarian and uterine cancer, so I tend to worry about any possible issues in my reproductive area). He wasn't worried at all about the HPV, since it is so common.

Wow, thank you so much for your response. It means a lot to me. I’m actually 31, and the youngest of the bunch, so hopefully my doctor will be willing to help me out with the vaccine series (even if I have to pay for it). The precancerous cells are in an area that would not be completely covered by a condom, unfortunately. He had them lasered off (yikes), so he’s out of commission for a while anyway, while he heals, but I’m not sure what that even means for once he’s healed. My appointment is next week, so I’m not going to try to move it up. Ovarian cancer also runs in my family, so I guess that’s where any apprehension comes from on my part. I guess, do you have any advice on how to console Isaac? He’s still really upset. And how to break the news to Chase/Martin?
 
Glad it helped some.

but loving someone doesn’t always equate to compatibility, which I think I’ve been learning slowly.

Yup. There has to be more than love for a long haul thing to work out.

For instance, in the conversation we had about how to communicate with one another (his needs for space, vs. my needs for stability), we handled it in probably four sentences or less. I stated my issue, he stated his, and we both promised to make adjustments to soothe one another. And we actually followed through! I feel like my mind exploded in realizing how easy communication can be when done right.

Since you prefer directness? Could do your end of that with Chase and Martin. Be up front, direct and clear with them about what behavior you would like/do not like from them. What behavior you are willing to do/not do on your end. Cards plain on the table. You sound like you have your plan. Blue is mine.

  • Chase:
    • "I think moving out would actually REALLY HELP him"
    • "I think what really needs to happen is that I need to tell him he needs to either get help (with therapy) or I’m out (of the relationship and not just moving out)."

  • Martin:
    • "I’m not 100% sure I brought up the texting thing to Martin directly."
    • "I think I need to just buck up and be very clear and direct, and if he still can’t understand what I need from him, then it will be time for me to walk away."

See if they follow through or not on their side. You follow through on yours.

If you are consistently holding up your end of the stick and they are not holding up theirs? Follow through there also and end it -- not because you don't love them. But because love alone is not enough in a long haul thing. There has to be other things also. Like keeping your word, follow through, integrity, clean communication, clear expectations, etc.

There is no law that says you cannot get back together later on if they change.

But if you all keep doing the same behaviors over and over and you find the same results unsatisfactory over and over? You have to give new behaviors a shot. Other wise this is riding the same merry-go-round over and over. :(

Galagirl
 
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Wow, thank you so much for your response. It means a lot to me. I’m actually 31, and the youngest of the bunch, so hopefully my doctor will be willing to help me out with the vaccine series (even if I have to pay for it). The precancerous cells are in an area that would not be completely covered by a condom, unfortunately. He had them lasered off (yikes), so he’s out of commission for a while anyway, while he heals, but I’m not sure what that even means for once he’s healed. My appointment is next week, so I’m not going to try to move it up. Ovarian cancer also runs in my family, so I guess that’s where any apprehension comes from on my part. I guess, do you have any advice on how to console Isaac? He’s still really upset. And how to break the news to Chase/Martin?
Since mine turned out to not be precancerous, I'm not sure what it means now that it is lasered off. My guess, but you should confirm it with your doctor and Isaac's if possible, is that they'll keep an eye on the area (I'm not sure at what intervals, I know i have to get a pap smear every year for the next few, instead of every three years like I was doing). I know female condoms cover more of the woman, so maybe that would be an option. I'd discuss it with your doctor next week, what you can do to practice safer sex with where the spots were. I'd guessthat after a few check ups and no further precancerous cells, you shouldn't need any special precautions (again, I'd double check with your doctor, since I'm not a doctor).

In terms of helping isaac, there's huge stigma against any type of STIs in our culture, so I think the first and most important thing you can do for him is to reassure him that having to deal with this doesn't make you see him as dirty or untouchable. The thing that helped me most was to have both of my partners tell me that it wasn't a deal breaker for them and that they still were attracted to me. Neither of them made me feel like I was dirty or untouchable. It also helped that they didn't get mad at me when I needed reassurance that they still cared several times during the days between my first pap and the second test. I was much more relaxed after the second test because my ob gyn friend said that while she was submitting the biopsies to be tested as a precaution, she didn't think any were precancerous based on the scope she used to examine my cervix up close.

In terms of telling your other partners, I'd approach them with the information you have (and get next week), let them know that you are interested in having a sexual relationship with Isaac and asking them what they would like to do to insure their own sexual health in their relationship with you.

In terms of the worry about ovarian and uterine cancer, which I brought up to both my family doctor and my ob gyn, both said even if I did have precancerous cells, that doesn't mean it would spread to other parts of my reproductive system. My ob gyn explained it even more in depth for me. Apparently cervical cancer is one of the slowest moving cancers out there. She said that it would take up to ten years to move from precancerous cells to infecting other parts of the reproductive system. That made me feel more at ease, because I really can't see a time I'd go 10 years between pap smears. I might have when I was younger, I can't remember for sure, but at that point both my husband and I had only had sex with each other, so any risk was smaller. Now that I have had and continue to have, multiple partners, I wouldn't really be comfortable going the five years they recommend now if you have had consistently clear tests, let alone going 10 years between tests.

I hope at least some of that helps.
 
Hi anonanon,

I don't have much advice to give, since the others have already covered the bases, but short and sweet:

  • Chase = Give him a timetable for getting an appointment with a therapist. If he misses the deadline, move out.
  • Martin = Be very clear about exactly what behaviors you do and don't want during a date with him. If he refuses to do what you ask, don't date him.
  • Isaac = Tell him HPV is common and not usually a big deal. Inform Chase and Martin about his HPV, and that you still want to be intimate with him. Work it out. For good measure, read the HPV article in Wikipedia.
Mostly I am repeating what the others have said, but sometimes emphasis helps. I hope you get things worked out with your guys.

Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
Re: Hpv

Haven't finished the thread but second the idea of HPV vaccination (although if you are over 26 your insurance will likely not pay for it - approx $150 x 3).

I have tested + for HPV on paps in the past. When Dude got together with Lotus they used condoms until she had her full series of HPV vaccine (we split the cost with her). 90% of women who have ever had sex have been exposed to some strain of HPV - it can take years/decades to show up though. Even if you have had/have been exposed to one strain, it still makes sense (to me) to get vaccinated to protect you against others.

EDIT: read the part where his lesions were on areas not necessarily covered by condoms, these are generally different strains than the one's associated with cervical cancer (although some of the HPV vaccines cover some of the not-cervical cancer ones). I guess I view genital warts similar to other warts...you don't stop before you shake someone's hand to ask if they have EVER had warts on their hands? You get them, you treat them, they are mildly contagious and you take that into account and get on with your life.
 
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