Facing a divorce and need some advice

Needadvice2023

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Hello everyone,

I have been all over looking for advice, as my relationship has gotten to a really bad place. On the one hand, I feel I am to blame for all of this, but on the other, I feel disrespected and replaced.

I will try to keep this quick and to the point. My spouse and I have been poly for about 5-6 years now, married for 13, together for 15. It started with sexual encounters to gain some freedom and experiences, as we'f married young and had never gotten to experience much. His experience was harder than mine. As I have noticed with many poly men, it’s harder to find partners willing to enter this lifestyle. I am pansexual and very much a sexual person. He discovered that he is deeply demisexual.

About 14 months ago, he met his current gf. They clicked immediately and he began bringing her around the family and friend group more and more. Everyone seemed to get along and things were fine, some jealousy here or there, and NRE, but it was talked about or handled.

Some boundaries we had laid down were crossed. We talked it out.

He pushed some things on me: letting her move in, hiring her as an employee, and going public with their relationship. I will admit I caved on these things and did not put my foot down, partly due to wanting him to be happy, but also to not be perceived as the difficult or jealous spouse. It was poor communication at the time. I admit that. Mind you, though, we had always functioned on a hierarchal dynamic and had always kept things very private prior.

Within 6 months she had completely assimilated into our life, home, work, everything.

About 5 months into that relationship, I met a partner who quickly became my bf. This was completely new to me, as my relationships were mostly fwb or strictly sexual and kept far from the family or main dynamic. This relationship was amazing, I had never clicked so well with another person. We went through our NRE. I was really happy with him.

My husband immediately lost it. He became angry and jealous and would do everything to start fights or arguments. We stopped being intimate or spending our time together that we would set aside. The communication all but stopped. It was 3 months of this, until my partner had to leave for work and we broke it off. (We remain very close friends.)

Ever since my bf and I broke it off, my husband has slowly been replacing me with his gf. He no longer takes my feelings into account. So many boundaries have been crossed, I can’t even list them all. He has stopped confiding in me or talking to me beyond work-related things. I’ve been pushed out of my own spaces and made to feel often as if I’m a stranger in my own home.

I’ll admit I’ve been petty at times, and angry, but always in response to how I feel I’m being treated. I’ve even brought up countless times how I feel I’m being replaced by her, and I’ve been gaslit, told I’m crazy, or that he could never love anyone else like he loves me.

Well, a few weeks ago, we got into a huge fight. He essentially told me he wants to be with her, and that, while he loves me, he’s not in love with me. Also, he opened up communication and admitted he was wrong in so many places the last year (as did I). But now he wants to be with his gf and be happy. After months and months of fighting, he wants to go to a non-hierarchical dynamic and work on our stuff on the side.

While selfish and unfair in a way (I admit), I suggested that we should put poly on hold and focus on our relationship, going to therapy, and our family (we have a child). That it would take time, but we could get over this and rebuild. He does not want to do this. I have told him I never consented to a non-hierarchical system and it’s not fair now for me to be pushed into this, when it’s not what I want. I never wanted many things he did with his gf, but he pushed me into them and made me out to be the bad guy if I didn’t let these things happen (such as her moving in or going public to our family).

Right now, we have agreed to separate. I see no other logical outcome. We both want different things in our lives.

I feel if I did turn to non-hierarchical poly just to keep the family together, that he would become jealous again if I found someone. I feel guilty and horrible asking him to become monogamous again, but I see no other way to fix the relationship than to focus on each other and heal together. I feel he used poly to find a new partner and effectively replaced his spouse when faced with jealousy.

I just need advice, as what I’ve gotten has been 50/50 or is coming from people who have no experience in a poly relationship. I also want to note that his gf and I had no problems with each other until my bf came around. Then she took his side with the anger and jealousy and since had been petty, malicious, and ugly to me.

My gut says to separate, divorce and start over, but I still love my husband. We have built 15 years and a family together! Am I wrong for wanting more or not wanting to try and fix it on his terms, that I don’t want? Be honest, please.
 
I'm sorry this is happening like this.

Well a few weeks ago we got into a huge fight and he essentially told me he wants to be with her and that while he loves me, he’s not in love with me. Also, he opened up communication and admitted he was wrong in so many places the last year (as did I) but now he wants to be with his gf and be happy. After months and months of fighting he wants to go to a non-hierarchical dynamic and work on our stuff on the side.

Bottom line, you two want different things now. I do not think it's a good idea to stay married when he's no longer in love with you. Best to separate and have as peaceful a divorce as possible under the circumstances. Then you are not longer romantic partners and that solves the non-hierarchy part. It simple does not apply any more.

He dates how he wants. Not any of your business. You date how you want. Not any of his business. And then the family changes from a "poly V cohabitating family with a kid" shape, to a "divorced, not cohabitating joint custody coparenting" family. Just because shape changed, doesn't mean the family is not a family still.

Your kid will grow up and it will change to "empty nest family" later on. Change is inevitable with family shapes. So deal with the part that is wonky, the marriage. Go with your gut and separate. That is my honest opinion.

My gut says to separate and divorce and start over but I still love my husband and we have build 15 years together and a family together? Am I wrong for wanting more or not wanting to try and fix it on his terms that I don’t want? Be honest please.

You will still be a family after a divorce, just different shape. The 15 years didn't go anywhere. They were had, and you'll probably have more years in this new family shape.

Stop doing things you don't really want just to avoid seeming like the "difficult or jealous spouse." It sounds very people-please to your own detriment. Instead, do what is actually good/best for your health and well being.

It is ok to end the wonky marriage as peacefully as possible if he's not in love with you anymore, and you don't want to be pushed into things anymore. It's been months of fighting, to no avail. Sometimes how people work things out is to simply STOP. Accept this is not gonna work, and become willing to end things/change things.

Galagirl
 
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I want to add options to what Galagirl said. You can have whatever structure you choose that works for everyone. You can divorce and have separate lives, living apart, or you can divorce, disentangle and still live together as a family (no romantic relationship at all between you and ex-hubby) where he does his thing, and you do yours, without input from the other, except where it comes to the home or kids. You can be friendly, even the best of friends, working together to take care of the kids and have love lives of your own.

I like to share these type of options, because we inherently think breaking up means living apart, and some people don’t want that, but it never occurs to them that there are options. Granted, you’ll both need to accept new roles, grieve the old relationship and create a new one, with different boundaries and expectations. Talk with each other and see what agreements you both can work with easily. If it will be too hard, then go another direction.
 
This relationship was amazing, I had never clicked so well with another person and we went through our NRE and I was really happy with him. My husband immediately lost it, he became angry and jealous and would do everything to start fights or arguments.

Also to note that his gf and I had no problems with each other until my bf came around and then she took his side with the anger and jealousy and since had been petty, malicious, and ugly to me.

I’ve been pushed out of my own spaces and made to feel often as if I’m a stranger in my own home. And I’ll admit I’ve been petty at times and angry, but always in response to how I feel I’m being treated.

I don't know that a divorce and still living together would change this behavior. The kid trapped there watching this going on? That's not great either.

I think people sometimes need some time apart being "plain exes" for a time first to heal even if the intent is to try to live together as divorced coparents later on. Or even if they do NOT want to live together, but might be willing to try something like apartments in the same complex to make coparenting easier. It's ok to start more separated than that. Then move later on.

But as Bobbi says -- you have to figure out what you and your STBX can actually agree on and do. Watch for the child's well being also.

Right now we have agreed to separate as I see no other logical outcome as we both want two different things in our lives.

If that's the agreement? Separate.

If you need extra help or support during this transition you might consider a counselor and/or divorce support group.

Am I wrong for wanting more or not wanting to try and fix it on his terms that I don’t want? Be honest please.

I think it is ok to want more/better than this.

I think it is ok for you not to want to try and fix it on his terms. You do not want participate in a non-hierarchical dynamic.

GG
 
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Hello Needadvice2023,

This probably isn't what you want to hear, but I think you should divorce your husband, there is just too much broken here for you to fix. Certainly your husband did you wrong, he wanted you to 100% accept his girlfriend, then got angry and jealous at you when you got a boyfriend. But all that is kind of a side issue, the problem now is that your husband loves his girlfriend more than he loves you, and he and she both are very antagonistic toward you. You neither need nor deserve this kind of treatment. Remove yourself from the situation. That is my advice.

Sympathetically,
Kevin T.
 
Glad we could help.
 
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