Finding Out Who I Am

Folklore

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Firstly, I hadn't anticipated this post would be this long, so apologies in advance. Just writing this out has been useful to me, but I would still really appreciate any comments you may have.

Until very recently I had never thought that any relationship structure outside of Monogamy really existed. Here in the UK one of our chief scientific advisors to the Government had to resign because he broke lockdown restrictions, which he was instrumental in implementing, to meet with his lover. I remember reading one or two lines of the story, thinking “oh dear” and then moving on to the rest of the day (the “oh dear” very much directed at his ignoring Government restrictions, much less the “scandal” of doing so to meet his lover).

I later came across an opinion piece on the website of one our newspapers which had a headline reading “I can't be furious with Professor Ferguson. Polyamory is more normal than you think.” Not knowing what that term meant, but assuming it had something to do with the reason he broke his own rules, I read through the article.

Suffice it to say I’m still trying to learn what polyamory, and even non-monogamy truly means. I’ve spent some time watching videos on the subject and reading blog posts, articles, and even some threads on this forum. I’m now beginning to question whether I am more naturally non-monogamous, than monogamous. I’ll explain why I’m re-evaluating this aspect of my life in a moment – but I guess ultimately what I’m trying to achieve with this post is two things:

1) To help with my understanding of what’s swirling round my head at the moment. I often find writing things down helps me to better articulate what I’m thinking and feeling.
2) To see what advice I might be able to garner, especially from people who may have gone through the same process I think I’m starting to right now.

As to how I got here. Roughly 4 years ago I had been in a completely monogamous relationship for about 10 years. I came to realise that my needs weren’t being fulfilled, specifically with regards to sex. I spoke to my gf about this a few times, and at one point she said “Well I feel like I have you now, so I don’t feel I need to put the effort in”. At that point I started to feel pretty down about the relationship.

What I should have done is understand the relationship didn’t really have a future and break up with her. What I did do was surmise that I still loved her and if sex is the only thing that was missing (you’ll not be shocked to hear that, in hindsight, it definitely was not the only thing missing) then I should just look elsewhere. I secretly joined a dating app, which was focussed around extra-marital affairs, and started to have casual relationships with other women who were in a similar sort of situation. I knew that what I was doing was cheating.

With every woman I spoke to, I was clear that I didn’t want to leave my gf and that what I was looking for was someone I can connect with emotionally as well as physically. We should be able to get along easily, it shouldn’t feel particularly forced and we should be sexually compatible. Because, to me, good sex isn’t just about the act itself, but about enjoying sharing those moments with someone you have respect for and enjoying the pleasure it brings to both of us.

I had met up with and had fun experiences with a few women but then I came into contact with my now wife through the app. We hit it off immediately, in a different, deeper way than any of the other women I had spoken to or met up with. What was different with her is that she was single, having “given up” on serious relationships and falling in love again. She was regularly having sex with a married man from work, and engaged in casual sex with a number of other people as and when the opportunities arose. Some of the “other” stuff had dried up, so she signed up to the app to see what she could find.

We started to fall for each other, hard. We would tell each other about the other people we were seeing and I really enjoyed and almost thrived on that openness and honesty. It was certainly more openness and honesty I was sharing with my gf, while I readily admit I share the blame there. We also gave details about our sexual encounters with these people, which to begin with I enjoyed, but the more I fell in love with her the more painful I found it hearing about another man being with her. I was always happy for her, because I know she looked forward to their encounters and really enjoyed them. But I got to a point where I thought, “that should be me, though”. She later confessed to me she eventually came to the same conclusion, and that she was now ready to be in a serious relationship again: with me.

Eventually we did meet, and shortly after I did what I should have done months earlier and broke up with my gf. We then became an official couple weeks later, once the dust had settled. Before that happened, she expressed an interest in us starting off as an open relationship. I told her I only wanted her. She happily agreed.

Fast forward 3 years and we are now married, with two more children to add to my now stepson (from a previous relationship, which broke her resolve for more meaningful relationships before she met me) in a completely monogamous relationship. We still love spending time together, whether it’s playing Pandemic Legacy Board Games (a little close to home with the Pandemic right now, but we really enjoy it!), or just sitting on the sofa watching many of the TV shows we share interest in. Our emotional connection is still there and the sex is still fantastic and regular. Our sexual activity has diminished slightly from what it was with NRE, but we still easily have enough sex that our needs are fulfilled.

Everything is great. Except. For large parts of our relationship, I think once the NRE had dissipated, and indeed for large parts of my previous relationship, I found myself imagining being with other women sexually. I struggle to describe what these moments are. I think they’re kind of like dreams, it’s almost involuntary how my mind wanders to having sex with women from work. Or I think back to some of the encounters I had with the other women I cheated on my ex-gf with, before I met my wife.

Having said that, and despite the transgressions of my previous relationship, during this relationship and marriage I have remained completely faithful. I haven’t even as much as flirted with another woman, let alone engaged in any physical or cyber activity. But having these thoughts has troubled me. I am madly in love with my wife. Our marriage is all I was hoping it would be. This isn’t like with my ex-gf, I genuinely can’t put a finger on anything that is wrong with this relationship. Why, then, does my mind wander like this?

It’s something I’ve struggled to reconcile. But now, I’ve read this article I mentioned earlier. I did a little more research into non-monogamy more generally, rather than polyamory specifically. Now, I think, it’s clicked. As I said earlier, I think I am more naturally non-monogamous. And probably always have been.

In the context of some of the things I’ve experienced in the past, and explained in this post, things seem to make sense. I feel like I’m wired to desire certainly physical, probably also emotional, relationships with more than one person. The thoughts of being intimate with other women, the enjoyment I got from talking about my other relationships, the hearing about what she was experiencing and being happy for her, the sorts of people I was looking to cheat on my ex with. It all seems to lean towards a non-monogamous mentality that I’d never really opened myself up to think about previously.

I think the short answer is I need more time to think deeply about this, whether there truly is nothing that I’m missing in our marriage. Do some more reading about what is essentially still a very new thing to me. I’ve asked myself questions like “Do I think I could love more than one person?”, “Do I think having relations with other women would have an effect on how I feel about my wife?”. The answers have been pretty consistent with being non-monogamous.

I’m still very new to this, and again apologies for the long post. If you have any thoughts or advice on what I’ve said please do let me know. I’ve got to the point where I would really like to hear something other than the voices in my head as I start to get my head around this.
 
I hope you feel better for airing out some.

Having said that, and despite the transgressions of my previous relationship, during this relationship and marriage I have remained completely faithful. I haven’t even as much as flirted with another woman, let alone engaged in any physical or cyber activity. But having these thoughts has troubled me. I am madly in love with my wife. Our marriage is all I was hoping it would be. This isn’t like with my ex-gf, I genuinely can’t put a finger on anything that is wrong with this relationship. Why, then, does my mind wander like this?

So... where did you learn having a fantasy life was bad? And fantasizing about other people than your current partner was bad? Who taught you that? :confused:

I could be wrong, but it sounds like you have some pleasant fantasy, and then you scold yourself about it. Then you feel bad for being scolded/shamed. Rather than just leaving it at pleasant fantasy.

Cuz to me? It's just fantasy life. Having daydreams about other people doesn't mean you don't love your wife. Or that something is "missing" from the marriage. Or that you have to run out to have Open marriage or practice poly right this minute.

It just means you are alive, notice and appreciate beauty in the world, and yeah, sometimes have some fantasies to enjoy.

Like... why make problems when there aren't any? :confused:

I know before with the past relationship, you started cheating on your GF.

But just because you have fantasies now doesn't mean something is wrong HERE. You and wife seem to be more honest with each other than you and GF were.

If you have ALSO figured out you incline toward nonmonogamy or polyamory more than you thought before? Ok. Fair enough. But no need to rush into that.
And you prob would still have fantasies then too if you were practicing open marriage or polamory.

I guess what I'm saying is... take your time thinking things out. But don't connect dots that don't need to connect. Like just because you have fantasies? Doesn't mean there's a problem with your marriage. It's normal to have fantasies.

Galagirl
 
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It's my belief that everyone is wired to be able to love or at least sexually desire more than one partner at once. Why not? We love our partner/spouse, we love our kids, our parents, other relatives, friends. Why not add romantic love into it?

Just because we love one person does not mean all other love is cancelled. Love is infinite. There is no limit to the amount of people we can love.

Time is finite. Energy is finite. Those are the limits on practicing polamory, not just having sex fantasies about however many other people.

It's not uncommon even for people who ID as poly, to lived monogamously for a while with a new partner. NRE is powerful. It's all consuming and can cancel our need for anyone else, for a time. Most NRE lasts 6 months to 2 years. After that, if not before, you can start to get that restless feeling.

Since you and your wife both started out from a place of dating multiple people at the same time, I recommend telling her something about your sexual fantasies. Just start there. Maybe she'll confess she has them as well.

Just doing this, being able to talk about fantasies, daydreams, actual sex dreams, can feel very freeing. There's no rush into actually doing anything about it just yet. Read the books Sex at Dawn and Opening Up, for starters.
 
Hello Folklore,

The road to open/CNM/poly is not always straight and narrow, you had some affairs before you realized open/CNM/poly is an innate part of your personality, and honestly, I think that is okay. You see, open/CNM/poly is still in its infancy, as far as acceptance by mainstream society goes, and so, there is not a clear road map of how to get there. Sometimes people have to be unfaithful before they realize there is another way.

You are almost at the point in your journey where your next step would be to tell your wife that you have begun to realize that you are open/CNM/poly. Just one step remains before then. You need to ask yourself, how would you feel about it if, in addition to you dating other women, your wife also was dating other men? Would that sit well with you? Would you be jealous? What would be at the root of that jealous feeling, and what would it say about your polyness? Before practicing poly, you would need to be able to consent to your wife seeing other men.

As the others have said, I wouldn't be in a hurry to put poly into practice. First spend some time discussing, with your wife, poly as a theory. And then, how the two of you would feel in various hypothetical situations. I recommend that the two of you read Opening Up (by Tristan Taormino) together. It has question sections at the end of each chapter, perfect for the two of you to discuss as a couple. Sex at Dawn is also an excellent book.

In time, you may be ready to put poly into practice in your lives. Just make sure you're both thoroughly prepared first, and on the same page. And, throughout that process, continue to read and post on this forum. We can help with suggestions along every little step of the way. Good luck!

Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
While some people do explore non-monogamy to try and fill some missing thing in their relationship, we are not all like that. Making that assumption is part of the monogamous conditioning most of us were raised with.
 
Thanks everyone for commenting. You’ve each raised points and questions that I hadn’t really thought of before and is important for me to start to understand before I conclude anything.

So... where did you learn having a fantasy life was bad? And fantasizing about other people than your current partner was bad? Who taught you that? :confused:

I think there are a couple of things that play into this. The first is that my ex was quite territorial. She said on a few occasions something to the extent of any woman I regularly speak to representing a threat to her. I think this stemmed from her Father cheating on and leaving her Mother when she was young. I always felt her Mother and Grandmother especially felt that man was the scum of the earth based on that.

The second is an incident between me and my wife before we got married. When we first got in contact we used a direct messaging app to communicate with each other as a means of avoiding detection from my ex – it was also the way we each communicated with our other partners at that time. Having deleted it once we got together, I briefly re-installed it about 6 months later because I was curious as to whether any of my other partners had reached out to me in the interim. I had no intention of responding if there were, or initiating any other contact, I was just interested. I immediately deleted it again, but when I told her what I had done she couldn’t understand why I would even be curious about something like that unless something was wrong with us. I couldn’t really find an answer to that. I think this leans in to vinsanity’s post:

While some people do explore non-monogamy to try and fill some missing thing in their relationship, we are not all like that. Making that assumption is part of the monogamous conditioning most of us were raised with.

Like I said in the OP, until very recently I didn’t really appreciate a relationship construct outside of Monogamy existed. Call it naivety, ignorance, whatever. But in all the people I know there are no non-monogamous relationship (at least, as far as I’m aware). In all the popular culture I consume relationships are always monogamous, and where any outside parties become involved that is considered to be infidelity. I guess in my mind, combined with the experiences I’d faced, I extrapolated that out to include fantasies as well. Having come across the article and the reflecting I’ve done since then I now agree with you, as I certainly don’t feel having these fantasies has had an impact on how I feel towards my wife.

You are almost at the point in your journey where your next step would be to tell your wife that you have begun to realize that you are open/CNM/poly. Just one step remains before then. You need to ask yourself, how would you feel about it if, in addition to you dating other women, your wife also was dating other men? Would that sit well with you? Would you be jealous? What would be at the root of that jealous feeling, and what would it say about your polyness? Before practicing poly, you would need to be able to consent to your wife seeing other men.

Thanks for this, Kevin. I hadn’t considered some of those questions. I think I would be happy for her, especially if it was a positive experience for her and one that she enjoyed. And if it wasn’t a positive experience, I would seek to provide as much support as I could give her and she would feel comfortable receiving. Ultimately this tells me two things. Firstly I’m still some way off fully understanding all this because they were aspects I hadn't considered. Secondly, I think it might be beneficial to both of us if we were to have those conversations together.

First spend some time discussing, with your wife, poly as a theory.

As I kind of just alluded to, I agree that this is my next step I think. See if I can find out how she feels about it in a way that hopefully means she’ll approach it with an open mind. Maybe then we can share the journey openly and honestly, rather than me go through it internally. She may already have her own opinion and not be willing to go on the journey with me, but at least I can continue to be honest with her about what I’m going through, and vice versa.
 
Even though our society is outwardly mono, the reality is much different. Not everyone is mono. If they claim to be mono, and never have a sexual or romantic thought about others, they are lying.

The huge popularity of porn, romantic movies and books, divorce, etc., proves that we are not wired to be mono. We just repress our polysexual, polyromantic thoughts. We all like to identify with characters in movies who have love and sex with others. That way we get vicarious pleasure and sexual stimulation. So whether a fantasy springs from your own mind, or a book or movie, it's just this thing humans naturally do.

Our society has set up monogamy as part of an economic structure. And it's based on the subjugation of women. Women are the winners in modern polyamory!

The patriarchy has been in place for approximately 3000 years. Prior to that, women were actually more in power than men. I have done a lot of research into this time, which many (men) call a pre-civilized time. It was actually quite civilized in many ways. Women just had more power. Goddesses reigned supreme.

Eventually men took over women's power by brute force alone. Women were owned by men. Men could have multiple wives and concubines, but women could only have one man, her owner/husband. This is all clearly written about in the Bible. The Old Testament was written down at a time when the patriarchy was still establishing itself. It's very interesting! God is even made to order Eve to be faithful to one husband. Adam is not given this direction.

Polygyny (one man, multiple women) is still legal in some areas of the world, but polyandry is not practiced. There may be a couple of tribes left where the patriarchy never took over, where women still have the freedom to have multiple male sex partners, but those tribes are extremely rare.
 
I found myself imagining being with other women sexually.....having these thoughts has troubled me.....I genuinely can’t put a finger on anything that is wrong with this relationship. Why, then, does my mind wander like this?
Ummm, because you're normal?

Every single man I have ever had the pleasure to know in any way beyond superficial chit chat has said that he thinks about sex with lots of various people who are not his partner(s.) Some women go there, too, but certainly every man on earth fantasizes about sex with other people. Do you not know that this is perfectly normal and that there is no reason for it other than you're a human being? Sure, many women are threatened by this fact of male sexuality and don't want to hear about it, take it as a sign of their own shortcomings but many women don't understand a lot about men. Nevertheless, the fact that you think about sex with other women is just evidence that you're alive and doesn't indicate anything more.
 
Ummm, because you're normal?

Every single man I have ever had the pleasure to know in any way beyond superficial chit chat has said that he thinks about sex with lots of various people who are not his partner(s.)

Some women go there, too, but certainly every man on earth fantasizes about sex with other people. Do you not know that this is perfectly normal and that there is no reason for it other than you're a human being? Sure, many women are threatened by this fact of male sexuality and don't want to hear about it, take it as a sign of their own shortcomings but many women don't understand a lot about men. Nevertheless, the fact that you think about sex with other women is just evidence that you're alive and doesn't indicate anything more.

Karen, I don't know whom you talk to, but women fantasize about sex with others just as much as men do. It's just not as socially acceptable for women to talk about their sexual desires. This has become more evident though, as feminism becomes more accepted.

As per women being threatened by men's sexuality-- ha! Men are threatened by women's sexuality. That refers to my prior post. The patriarchy is all about suppressing women's sexual autonomy. It's a holdover from when women were owned by men. Their children were also owned by their fathers. Women were not allowed to have multiple male lovers, because then some of her children might "belong" to other men.

If women were threatened by other women "stealing their man," it just made sense. He was her only meal ticket, her financial support, a way to feed, house and clothe her children. Even multiple legal wives vied for their husband's attention. Being number one wife was a place of power and wealth and safety.

Now that women have more economic power and freedom, and a bit more support from the state, it doesn't matter as much if she has children by multiple men. And with birth control, she may be able to not have any children at all, and still thrive and succeed in life.
 
Mags, I get all of that and you add lots of good historical, political and sociological depth to the understanding of sexuality. Yes, of course women think about sex with other partners, but I don't think nearly as much as men do. That's a different topic. I was only speaking to this poor guy's tremendous guilt and confusion over having sexual thoughts about others. It's normal. There's nothing wrong with him and fantasizing about others is no sign of trouble in a relationship, nor does it even signal poly inclinations. It's normal and simply human to think about sex with various people.
 
Hi Folklore,

Based on your posts so far, it seems to me that you are on the right track. Your next step would be to talk to your wife about open/poly. Tell her that you have been thinking about open/poly, and that you would like to hear her thoughts on the subject. Just be aware, she may have a negative reaction to open/poly, and that is hers to have. It's also possible that she will respond negatively in the beginning, but then change her mind later on. The fact that you'd be coming to her with the subject might (on some level) make her feel like, "Well, it wasn't my idea. I have an independent mind." And she should have an independent mind. Let her response be her own.

Having said that, I am hopeful that she will respond positively. Your next move would depend on how she responds. If negatively, it's a question of, *how* negatively. If mildly negatively, then she might be open to at least talking about it some more, from time to time. You could always ask. If her initial response is, "What the heck is poly?" you might want to refer her to Franklin Veaux's excellent Poly FAQ page. Although the short answer to her question is, that "Polyamory = consensual nonmonogamy." Poly is one *kind* of consensual nonmonogamy.

Keep us posted as your situation evolves.
Sincere regards,
Kevin T.
 
Suffice it to say I’m still trying to learn what polyamory, and even non-monogamy truly means ...

Unfortunately you won't find it here because this forum has a rule called "no true polying", which means that anyone who takes the time to objectively distill out the essential history and principles of polyamory in an attempt to establish what is or isn't truly poly becomes guilty of a forum offense.
 
Unfortunately you won't find it here because this forum has a rule called "no true polying", which means that anyone who takes the time to objectively distill out the essential history and principles of polyamory in an attempt to establish what is or isn't truly poly becomes guilty of a forum offense.

My recollection is that many people disagreed with some aspects of your definition. This forum has had so many "is this poly" conversations. The "no true polying" 'rule' you refer to is probably the dislike people have of "one true wayism" i.e. people like yourself who have certain fixed definitions to the exclusion of others with different viewpoints... Well, it's worse than that because from my memory you were saying that poly needed to be "kitchen table poly" or something, to be valid? Can't remember what, but it was out of step with the general community definition for sure.
 
What does "polyamory" truly mean? It means, "relationships in which any one person is romantically involved with two or more other people, with their knowledge and consent." I've said this before, and have not yet received an infraction for doing so. Now if I started to get argumentative with others about why my definition of poly is right while *theirs* is wrong, that might earn me an infraction.

See http://www.polyamory.com/forum/showthread.php?p=366104 for a lengthy discussion about what the word poly truly means.
 
... in all the people I know there are no non-monogamous relationship (at least, as far as I’m aware).

Since NaturalHedgehog exhumed this thread, I'll take the opportunity to mention that awareness is the operative word here. Lots of couples have open agreements but are not public about it. It's nothing new and it's really not all that rare. You don't have to be visible to the entire world in order to craft a good and loving relationship. Keeping it private is a centuries-old tradition and certainly a valid choice.
 
...anyone who takes the time to objectively distill out the essential history and principles of polyamory in an attempt to establish what is or isn't truly poly becomes guilty of a forum offense.

We are free to research and discuss anything about poly that we want, but anyone who preaches that there is one true way to be poly is not tolerated. Heck, I'm monogamous and I've been blabbing away here for 6 years. Why am I tolerated and not you?
 
We are free to research and discuss anything about poly that we want, but anyone who preaches that there is one true way to be poly is not tolerated. Heck, I'm monogamous and I've been blabbing away here for 6 years. Why am I tolerated and not you?

All I know is that some time ago I got an infraction for "one true wayism". So I'm confused as to why I should get an infraction for alerting someone else to that rule. Do you get it?
 
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All I know is that some time ago I got an infraction for "one true wayism". So I'm confused as to why I should get an infraction for alerting someone else to that rule. Do you get it?

Who were you alerting, since no one was doing it? I'm not sure you understand what it means. If you have questions about it, you can message a mod or admin.
 
I'm confused as to why I should get an infraction for alerting someone else to that rule. Do you get it?

I'd likely get it if I saw your comment in context. Benignly informing someone of the rule likely wouldn't incur an infraction, as is evidenced by the many people who reference the rule in these discussions. Much depends on how you worded your "alert" and in what context you issued it.
 
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Excerpt from Folklore's OP:
"Suffice it to say I'm still trying to learn what polyamory, and even nonmonogamy truly means."

Reply from hedgehog:
"Unfortunately you won't find it here because this forum has a rule called 'no true polying,' which means that anyone who takes the time to objectively distill out the essential history and principles of polyamory in an attempt to establish what is or isn't truly poly becomes guilty of a forum offense."

@ hedgehog ... is that (the above) the alert to which you were referring? and are you saying that you received an infraction for posting it?
 
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